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Post by PennState1 on Oct 8, 2018 15:54:30 GMT -5
about 3 years late one of the worst O linemen I've ever seen in my life This
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 8, 2018 15:55:44 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if they bring up that kid from the practice squad. Is Pozstur still out there? Wasnt Carolina's starting RT a guy they got off the street after week 2 or something?
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Post by TEM on Oct 8, 2018 15:58:58 GMT -5
The Jones one to me was the worst because that was the exact time we knew the game passed Young by These players were still on the board IIR Walter Jones Ray Lewis Terry Glenn But because Young was so stubborn to stick to 1970s value on players he could never think outside the box in the 1st round Woolfolk was pick 18 Morris was pick 45. Who ran us to our 1st SB again ?
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 8, 2018 16:03:29 GMT -5
The Jones one to me was the worst because that was the exact time we knew the game passed Young by These players were still on the board IIR Walter Jones Ray Lewis Terry Glenn But because Young was so stubborn to stick to 1970s value on players he could never think outside the box in the 1st round Woolfolk was pick 18 Morris was pick 45. Who ran us to our 1st SB again ? I'm not arguing that one because Morris overcame the first round mistake. Think about where the Giants could have been if they took Ray Lewis instead of Jones.That Jones pick was a bad setback for us,number 5 overall in a draft class that was very strong in the front end.
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Post by TCHOF on Oct 8, 2018 16:07:06 GMT -5
Wow - Raanan didn’t get a single thing right in that article
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Post by Merc on Oct 8, 2018 16:07:10 GMT -5
And the Giants get an 8th rounder for Flowers.
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Post by TEM on Oct 8, 2018 16:07:35 GMT -5
Woolfolk was pick 18 Morris was pick 45. Who ran us to our 1st SB again ? I'm not arguing that one because Morris overcame the first round mistake. Think about where the Giants could have been if they took Ray Lewis instead of Jones.That Jones pick was a bad setback for us,number 5 overall in a draft class that was very strong in the front end. We all could come up the what could have been after the fact. I said last we took Phil instead of Montana. How may rings could have Montana won with the Defense The Giants had?
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Post by Easy E on Oct 8, 2018 16:09:43 GMT -5
I knew something was up when Wheeler was hurt and Spencer Pulley was about to come in the game. Wow. Is there any word on Wheeler,like what it is and how bad is it? Sup Big Red. It was a hand injury, Wheeler never left the game/missed a snap. As of this minute, I haven't heard any updates, but it doesn't appear it will keep him from playing Thursday vs the Eagles.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2018 16:10:16 GMT -5
Don’t let the door hit ya.
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Post by idkaname on Oct 8, 2018 16:14:42 GMT -5
The fact that they never tried him at another spot on the o line speaks volumes. He is either too stubborn (aka a bad team mate) or the coaches just knew he would suck anyway. Probably both
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 8, 2018 16:18:46 GMT -5
See, the organization is taking ODB's words seriously. Uh oh, then Eli better watch out...
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Post by snyder55 on Oct 8, 2018 16:19:02 GMT -5
Trade? I wouldn't give up a box of pop-tarts for him. Hated the pick when it happened, and he did nothing to prove me wrong. Sub-par player with a lousy attitude......don't let the door hit ya on the way out Flowers is a classic example that the Giants really do reach for a player in the first round. Jerry Reese's parting gift to the team...
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Oct 8, 2018 16:25:07 GMT -5
Thank God I never have to hear this name ever again.
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Post by Fletch842 on Oct 8, 2018 16:34:59 GMT -5
I'm not arguing that one because Morris overcame the first round mistake. Think about where the Giants could have been if they took Ray Lewis instead of Jones.That Jones pick was a bad setback for us,number 5 overall in a draft class that was very strong in the front end. We all could come up the what could have been after the fact. I said last we took Phil instead of Montana. How may rings could have Montana won with the Defense The Giants had? We used to discuss this back when both guys were still playing. Our consensus was that Montana may not have lived through the first 4 years or so. Phil is one tough SOB and he barely made it through in one piece. Also, he would not have been playing for the perfect coach for him in Bill Walsh were he here.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 8, 2018 16:38:59 GMT -5
We all could come up the what could have been after the fact. I said last we took Phil instead of Montana. How may rings could have Montana won with the Defense The Giants had? We used to discuss this back when both guys were still playing. Our consensus was that Montana may not have lived through the first 4 years or so. Phil is one tough SOB and he barely made it through in one piece. Also, he would not have been playing for the perfect coach for him in Bill Walsh were he here. Montana fell because of lack of arm strength,which he built up over time and was in a system that wasnt a bombs away style,and his skillsets were perfect for.Kinda sounds familiar. Notice Montana did not have good games in Giants Stadium,especially later in the year?
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Post by Roswell on Oct 8, 2018 16:39:59 GMT -5
Woolfolk was pick 18 Morris was pick 45. Who ran us to our 1st SB again ? I'm not arguing that one because Morris overcame the first round mistake. Think about where the Giants could have been if they took Ray Lewis instead of Jones.That Jones pick was a bad setback for us,number 5 overall in a draft class that was very strong in the front end. For years the Giants made better second round picks than first round picks (with a few obvious exceptions). Their all time leading rusher, receiver and sack leader were all picked in the second round.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 8, 2018 16:45:23 GMT -5
And for those keeping score at home that's 16 players left from the opening day roster from 2017
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Post by TEM on Oct 8, 2018 16:58:06 GMT -5
We all could come up the what could have been after the fact. I said last we took Phil instead of Montana. How may rings could have Montana won with the Defense The Giants had? We used to discuss this back when both guys were still playing. Our consensus was that Montana may not have lived through the first 4 years or so. Phil is one tough SOB and he barely made it through in one piece. Also, he would not have been playing for the perfect coach for him in Bill Walsh were he here. It is all speculation . I would believe we would have won at least one more Just because of what he was. I am not saying I am correct. It just an opinion.
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Post by Jomo on Oct 8, 2018 17:13:51 GMT -5
about 3 years late one of the worst O linemen I've ever seen in my life This I supported him for too long based on a few reasons. 1. He seemed to have more passion to succeed than the rest of that terrible OL in his rookie season. 2. For his entire time here there was no obvious and meaningful upgrade on the roster 3. Cap implications It is overdue and I was slow on the uptake.
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Post by DandyDon on Oct 8, 2018 17:36:09 GMT -5
In addition to being a bad player, he is also a malcontent. Think how much they must hate the guy to throw him out like this with the depth (none) that we have at tackle Yup. There is actually zero reason to just release him with the current situation. Had to be an attitude issue. I wonder if something happened in practice or the lockerroom.
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Post by TCHOF on Oct 8, 2018 17:48:54 GMT -5
In addition to being a bad player, he is also a malcontent. Think how much they must hate the guy to throw him out like this with the depth (none) that we have at tackle Yup. There is actually zero reason to just release him with the current situation. Had to be an attitude issue. I wonder if something happened in practice or the lockerroom. Raanan is reporting that Flowers upper-decked the toilet in Shurmur’s office. Sick bastard
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Post by KingCap88 on Oct 8, 2018 18:05:52 GMT -5
Flowers should've been gone a long time ago, but better late than never. I love how the Giants are saying they'll release him IF he's not traded. What team is actually going to trade for Flowers? Not that I would be mad if they could sucker some team into a trade.
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Post by nemesis on Oct 8, 2018 18:08:35 GMT -5
With our luck he will sign somewhere with good coaching and play well. Ain't happening he sucks too much, no one can fix him, he's pathetic, his post game interview after that Jags game he had no idea Calais Campbell was a speed rusher, had all off season to prep for this game and looks like he didn't watch film on Campbell, he's just another Reese's failure..
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Post by scoostraw on Oct 8, 2018 18:23:06 GMT -5
I'll drive him to the airport. Hey get in line buddy.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Oct 8, 2018 18:36:08 GMT -5
Manchild, physical, nasty, aircraft carrier, battleship, gym rat, outstanding feet, young, strong and tough were some words used to describe Flowers. His presence leaves no more excuses for the offensive line. The Giants have drafted tackle/guard Justin Pugh, center Weston Richburg and now Flowers with high picks in three consecutive drafts. They spent big money on guard Geoff Schwartz as a free agent and to retain left tackle Will Beatty. There is talent there, especially after the Flowers selection. It is no longer a position of need.
Wow this is pretty telling. As much as some people say that Reese ignored the OL for years, he really didn't. He just picked and signed the wrong guys!
The parts about Flowers having ballet dancers feet is literally laughable.
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Post by SG88 on Oct 8, 2018 18:40:11 GMT -5
Yup. There is actually zero reason to just release him with the current situation. Had to be an attitude issue. I wonder if something happened in practice or the lockerroom. Raanan is reporting that he upper-decked the toilet in Shurmur’s office Wow! You seriously cannot make this shit up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2018 18:41:44 GMT -5
Curly Bill: "Well..............bye"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2018 18:42:30 GMT -5
We used to discuss this back when both guys were still playing. Our consensus was that Montana may not have lived through the first 4 years or so. Phil is one tough SOB and he barely made it through in one piece. Also, he would not have been playing for the perfect coach for him in Bill Walsh were he here. It is all speculation . I would believe we would have won at least one more Just because of what he was. I am not saying I am correct. It just an opinion. hey TEM would you draft Montana or Simms knowing the franchise got 1 SB with him and 1 with Hostetler
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Post by ltmvp on Oct 8, 2018 18:49:55 GMT -5
BYE FELICIA
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Oct 8, 2018 19:07:05 GMT -5
By releasing him we get no help on the cap the salary is paid in full I believe.
Guess it helps the atmosphere to get rid of him, after all he is not vital for even a backup role at this point. So I guess were getting a backup OT from somewhere. Is it addition by subtraction ?
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