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Post by Waybackfan on Oct 9, 2018 6:46:44 GMT -5
He's done. Hope he saved his money.
Bye bye.
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Post by DandyDon on Oct 9, 2018 7:36:45 GMT -5
I don't believe anyone will trade for him but he seems like a project BB would take on in New England. Really?
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Post by TEM on Oct 9, 2018 7:38:03 GMT -5
It is all speculation . I would believe we would have won at least one more Just because of what he was. I am not saying I am correct. It just an opinion. hey TEM would you draft Montana or Simms knowing the franchise got 1 SB with him and 1 with Hostetler No not ever . I can have an opinion, That does not mean we would have won any with Montana.
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Post by Fletch842 on Oct 9, 2018 7:43:57 GMT -5
If any yous are wondering when or who was gonna make a Todd Gurley reference. Well.........may not be in this mess with him already on the roster. Barkely doesn’t get selected and who knows? I’m not happy about Flowers leaving, I’m depressed! All this FO seems to do is waste draft capital, it’s sad! And I'm still not taking Gurley even playing revisionist history because we had just had back to back seasons breaking records for amount of games missed due to injury and amount of players on IR per year and taking someone who blew out his knee the season before. Our luck he reinjures it in his rookie season and is done.I dont know who else we could have taken as the guy I wanted was off everyone's board (La'el Collins,who Dallas tampered with the process when his agent said dont tKe his player after the 3rd round and was on his way to Dallas even before the draft ended). Was kinda a shitty yesr This was the key factor to our passing on Gurley. I totally agreed at the time, remember the discussion on the old MB during that draft.
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Post by TEM on Oct 9, 2018 7:48:53 GMT -5
We all could come up the what could have been after the fact. I said last we took Phil instead of Montana. How may rings could have Montana won with the Defense The Giants had? How many rings would Simms have won if he had Jerry Rice? I have always wondered how awesome it would have been if we took Strahan in 93, Derrick Brooks in 95 and Ray Lewis in 96. A good point . As I said it is fun to speculate. But that is all it is.
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Post by DandyDon on Oct 9, 2018 7:51:05 GMT -5
Yup. There is actually zero reason to just release him with the current situation. Had to be an attitude issue. I wonder if something happened in practice or the lockerroom. Raanan is reporting that Flowers upper-decked the toilet in Shurmur’s office. Sick bastard
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Post by Antwuan on Oct 9, 2018 8:44:46 GMT -5
Great Move!!
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Post by TCHOF on Oct 9, 2018 8:49:52 GMT -5
How many rings would Simms have won if he had Jerry Rice? I have always wondered how awesome it would have been if we took Strahan in 93, Derrick Brooks in 95 and Ray Lewis in 96. A good point . As I said it is fun to speculate. But that is all it is. Or if we had taken Reggie White in the supplemental draft instead of Gary Zimmerman
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 8:50:38 GMT -5
Traded? Who the **** would trade for him?
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Post by GameTime on Oct 9, 2018 8:52:10 GMT -5
With our luck he will sign somewhere with good coaching and play well. you really think it was bad coaching?? that excuse sailed at the middle of last season.
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Post by GameTime on Oct 9, 2018 8:55:01 GMT -5
you know I think the kid really tried. Some players just cant get it done. Thats life in the NFL.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 8:56:13 GMT -5
Lot of wasted reps and time. This, exactly. Awful decision making and management by our coaching staff.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 9:00:59 GMT -5
With our luck he will sign somewhere with good coaching and play well. you really think it was bad coaching?? that excuse sailed at the middle of last season. I’d have moved him to G in the offseason and made him compete to play. I never at any point understood handing him RT and not bringing in someone with experience there that he’d have needed to beat out(and he’d have failed). I question 75% of what Gettleman did this offseason, But RT is 1B for me, 1A being the # 2 pick.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 9:32:36 GMT -5
And I'm still not taking Gurley even playing revisionist history because we had just had back to back seasons breaking records for amount of games missed due to injury and amount of players on IR per year and taking someone who blew out his knee the season before. Our luck he reinjures it in his rookie season and is done.I dont know who else we could have taken as the guy I wanted was off everyone's board (La'el Collins,who Dallas tampered with the process when his agent said dont tKe his player after the 3rd round and was on his way to Dallas even before the draft ended). Was kinda a shitty yesr This was the key factor to our passing on Gurley. I totally agreed at the time, remember the discussion on the old MB during that draft. RK | PLAYER | TEAM | YDS | TD | 1 | Ezekiel Elliott | DAL | 480 | 2 | 2 | Todd Gurley II | LAR | 415 | 7 | 3 | Isaiah Crowell | NYJ | 390 | 5 | 4 | Kareem Hunt | KC | 376 | 4 | 5 | Matt Breida | SF | 369 | 1 | 6 | Carlos Hyde | CLE | 348 | 5 | 7 | James Conner | PIT | 342 | 5 | 8 | Melvin Gordon | LAC | 334 | 3 | 9 | Marshawn Lynch | OAK | 331 | 3 | 10 | Christian McCaffrey | CAR | 329 | 0 | 11 | Philip Lindsay | DEN | 328 | 1 | 12 | Saquon Barkley | NYG | 308 | 3 |
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Post by GameTime on Oct 9, 2018 9:32:37 GMT -5
you really think it was bad coaching?? that excuse sailed at the middle of last season. I’d have moved him to G in the offseason and made him compete to play. I never at any point understood handing him RT and not bringing in someone with experience there that he’d have needed to beat out(and he’d have failed). I question 75% of what Gettleman did this offseason, But RT is 1B for me, 1A being the # 2 pick. he would have stunk at guard too. His footwork is an absolute mess. I couldnt imagine him pulling etc. I do agree they waited too long ways though.
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Post by bluejayc on Oct 9, 2018 10:14:21 GMT -5
I got the bubbly on ice......
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Oct 9, 2018 10:22:22 GMT -5
By releasing him we get no help on the cap the salary is paid in full I believe. So I guess were getting a backup OT from somewhere. Is it addition by subtraction ? Recognizing the problem is the first step in fixing the problem. In that context TGR, I would consider it addition by subtraction. Now remember, releasing Flowers should not be confused with replacing/upgrading that roster spot. Your right Jomo, there's no immediate help coming from this move and no cap relief and now our OL is even thinner. 3 things that don't help us with this move but there has to be a reason. Is there another move coming ? Is the locker room better off with him gone ? Is the coaching staff better off with him gone for one reason or another ? But as far as him helping the team win it's no loss. Next year we get his money back but that would have happened if we kept him the remainder of the year or not.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Oct 9, 2018 10:30:26 GMT -5
By releasing him we get no help on the cap the salary is paid in full I believe. His salary is paid but my question is does it count against the cap? I know it is the top 53 that count against the cap. I'm not sure really. I don't care if the Giants have to pay him money, I just want some cap room to get another body in there. I think the salary counts against the cap for this year. So the money counts vs the cap, were now thinner on the OL, so maybe it's just better to get him out of the locker room. Maybe it's better for the coaching staff that he's gone. Except for his attitude out of the building I don't know how this helps us with anything. But maybe that's enough that he's gone.
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Post by bluejayc on Oct 9, 2018 10:31:41 GMT -5
Recognizing the problem is the first step in fixing the problem. In that context TGR, I would consider it addition by subtraction. Now remember, releasing Flowers should not be confused with replacing/upgrading that roster spot. Your right Jomo, there's no immediate help coming from this move and no cap relief and now our OL is even thinner. 3 things that don't help us with this move but there has to be a reason. Is there another move coming ? Is the locker room better off with him gone ? Is the coaching staff better off with him gone for one reason or another ? But as far as him helping the team win it's no loss. Next year we get his money back but that would have happened if we kept him the remainder of the year or not. Didn't they sign a new Tackle to the practice squad the other week? If so that could be the swap right there. You don't keep a guy around just because your paying him especially if he now serves no purpose. (See Bobby Bonilla's contract for a good laugh)
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Post by bluejayc on Oct 9, 2018 10:40:35 GMT -5
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 9, 2018 11:21:33 GMT -5
Done
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 9, 2018 11:24:22 GMT -5
Your right Jomo, there's no immediate help coming from this move and no cap relief and now our OL is even thinner. 3 things that don't help us with this move but there has to be a reason. Is there another move coming ? Is the locker room better off with him gone ? Is the coaching staff better off with him gone for one reason or another ? But as far as him helping the team win it's no loss. Next year we get his money back but that would have happened if we kept him the remainder of the year or not. Didn't they sign a new Tackle to the practice squad the other week? If so that could be the swap right there. You don't keep a guy around just because your paying him especially if he now serves no purpose. (See Bobby Bonilla's contract for a good laugh) This guy? Cant be any worse that Flowers was especially attitude wise
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Post by Roswell on Oct 9, 2018 11:25:02 GMT -5
A good point . As I said it is fun to speculate. But that is all it is. Or if we had taken Reggie White in the supplemental draft instead of Gary Zimmerman Now that would have been something. Taylor, White, Marshall, Carson, Banks....
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Post by Roswell on Oct 9, 2018 11:26:58 GMT -5
This was the key factor to our passing on Gurley. I totally agreed at the time, remember the discussion on the old MB during that draft. RK | PLAYER | TEAM | YDS | TD | 1 | Ezekiel Elliott | DAL | 480 | 2 | 2 | Todd Gurley II | LAR | 415 | 7 | 3 | Isaiah Crowell | NYJ | 390 | 5 | 4 | Kareem Hunt | KC | 376 | 4 | 5 | Matt Breida | SF | 369 | 1 | 6 | Carlos Hyde | CLE | 348 | 5 | 7 | James Conner | PIT | 342 | 5 | 8 | Melvin Gordon | LAC | 334 | 3 | 9 | Marshawn Lynch | OAK | 331 | 3 | 10 | Christian McCaffrey | CAR | 329 | 0 | 11 | Philip Lindsay | DEN | 328 | 1 | 12 | Saquon Barkley | NYG | 308 | 3 |
These stats belong in a vacuum? No.
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Post by Roswell on Oct 9, 2018 11:29:39 GMT -5
I got the bubbly on ice......
Just might be the scariest post in the short history of these boards. 😎
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 9, 2018 11:32:47 GMT -5
RK | PLAYER | TEAM | YDS | TD | 1 | Ezekiel Elliott | DAL | 480 | 2 | 2 | Todd Gurley II | LAR | 415 | 7 | 3 | Isaiah Crowell | NYJ | 390 | 5 | 4 | Kareem Hunt | KC | 376 | 4 | 5 | Matt Breida | SF | 369 | 1 | 6 | Carlos Hyde | CLE | 348 | 5 | 7 | James Conner | PIT | 342 | 5 | 8 | Melvin Gordon | LAC | 334 | 3 | 9 | Marshawn Lynch | OAK | 331 | 3 | 10 | Christian McCaffrey | CAR | 329 | 0 | 11 | Philip Lindsay | DEN | 328 | 1 | 12 | Saquon Barkley | NYG | 308 | 3 |
These stats belong in a vacuum? No. Exactly
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 11:34:14 GMT -5
A good point . As I said it is fun to speculate. But that is all it is. Or if we had taken Reggie White in the supplemental draft instead of Gary Zimmerman Him and LT on the same line would've been crazy!!
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 9, 2018 11:36:31 GMT -5
Or if we had taken Reggie White in the supplemental draft instead of Gary Zimmerman Him and LT on the same line would've been crazy!! Actually would have been a bad fit for White.He was a prototypical 4/3 DE would not have fit in our 3/4
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Post by titowooten on Oct 9, 2018 11:37:25 GMT -5
Wow - Raanan didn’t get a single thing right in that article Not to mention Flowers would go on to shove him during a post game interview a few years down the line .
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Post by bluejayc on Oct 9, 2018 11:41:17 GMT -5
Didn't they sign a new Tackle to the practice squad the other week? If so that could be the swap right there. You don't keep a guy around just because your paying him especially if he now serves no purpose. (See Bobby Bonilla's contract for a good laugh) This guy? Cant be any worse that Flowers was especially attitude wise I though it might be this guy they signed to the PS on 10/2: "10/02 T Jylan Ware - Signed to Practice Squad"
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