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Post by bluejayc on Oct 9, 2018 11:42:14 GMT -5
Wow - Raanan didn’t get a single thing right in that article Not to mention Flowers would go on to shove him during a post game interview a few years down the line . And Ranaan hasn't gotten a thing right since either.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 11:42:51 GMT -5
RK | PLAYER | TEAM | YDS | TD | 1 | Ezekiel Elliott | DAL | 480 | 2 | 2 | Todd Gurley II | LAR | 415 | 7 | 3 | Isaiah Crowell | NYJ | 390 | 5 | 4 | Kareem Hunt | KC | 376 | 4 | 5 | Matt Breida | SF | 369 | 1 | 6 | Carlos Hyde | CLE | 348 | 5 | 7 | James Conner | PIT | 342 | 5 | 8 | Melvin Gordon | LAC | 334 | 3 | 9 | Marshawn Lynch | OAK | 331 | 3 | 10 | Christian McCaffrey | CAR | 329 | 0 | 11 | Philip Lindsay | DEN | 328 | 1 | 12 | Saquon Barkley | NYG | 308 | 3 |
These stats belong in a vacuum? No. What stats do?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 11:48:20 GMT -5
These stats belong in a vacuum? No. Exactly Exactly what? Did I say these stats - or any others, for that matter - “belong in a vacuum”? I simply presented the facts (something I know isn’t appreciated on this board...especially when they run counter to the popular narrative).
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 9, 2018 11:51:03 GMT -5
Exactly what? Did I say these stats - or any others, for that matter - “belong in a vacuum”? I simply presented the facts (something I know isn’t appreciated on this board...especially when they run counter to the popular narrative). What narrative. It can actually be argued you posted these with a certain narrative.
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Post by Roswell on Oct 9, 2018 11:52:36 GMT -5
These stats belong in a vacuum? No. What stats do? Exactly. Very few. Teammates perhaps. Certainly not from different eras or teams with drastically different offensive philosophies or with different talent levels or even from different climates or stadiums. Wow. Maybe now that I think about it, virtually none.
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Post by Roswell on Oct 9, 2018 11:54:00 GMT -5
Exactly what? Did I say these stats - or any others, for that matter - “belong in a vacuum”? I simply presented the facts (something I know isn’t appreciated on this board...especially when they run counter to the popular narrative). Once you placed those two names in bold you were indirectly rendering an opinion. You know that lol.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 11:58:09 GMT -5
Exactly what? Did I say these stats - or any others, for that matter - “belong in a vacuum”? I simply presented the facts (something I know isn’t appreciated on this board...especially when they run counter to the popular narrative). What narrative. It can actually be argued you posted these with a certain narrative. Facts don’t have a narrative. Excuses, on the other hand, do.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 9, 2018 11:59:09 GMT -5
What narrative. It can actually be argued you posted these with a certain narrative. Facts don’t have a narrative. Excuses, on the other hand, do. Who is making excuses What is your point?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 11:59:42 GMT -5
Exactly. Very few. Teammates perhaps. Certainly not from different eras or teams with drastically different offensive philosophies or with different talent levels or even from different climates or stadiums. Wow. Maybe now that I think about it, virtually none. So, why even keep stats? We can just say, “Eli played good.”
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 12:02:36 GMT -5
Exactly what? Did I say these stats - or any others, for that matter - “belong in a vacuum”? I simply presented the facts (something I know isn’t appreciated on this board...especially when they run counter to the popular narrative). Once you placed those two names in bold you were indirectly rendering an opinion. You know that lol. One of the names bolded is the Giants RB. The other is the guy being talked about in posts regarding the Ereck Flowers pick. Do you understand now?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 12:04:24 GMT -5
Facts don’t have a narrative. Excuses, on the other hand, do. Who is making excuses What is your point? The very mention of a “vacuum” is an indication that excuses are forthcoming.
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Post by Roswell on Oct 9, 2018 12:06:46 GMT -5
Exactly. Very few. Teammates perhaps. Certainly not from different eras or teams with drastically different offensive philosophies or with different talent levels or even from different climates or stadiums. Wow. Maybe now that I think about it, virtually none. So, why even keep stats? We can just say, “Eli played good.” You can make that argument. I would say that stats are really to demonstrate different players effectiveness on the same team, career success vs poor performance, but largely they can never be an objective and definitive argument for or against.
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Post by Roswell on Oct 9, 2018 12:10:11 GMT -5
Once you placed those two names in bold you were indirectly rendering an opinion. You know that lol. One of the names bolded is the Giants RB. The other is the guy being talked about in posts regarding the Ereck Flowers pick. Do you understand now? Dude. Is there too much bran in your muffin? Settle down lol. I understand. You have an agenda. Not judging it. Any chance you get, it seems you’ll point out a reason why Barkley shouldn’t have been drafted. It’s a message board. You’re allowed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 12:12:37 GMT -5
Him and LT on the same line would've been crazy!! Actually would have been a bad fit for White.He was a prototypical 4/3 DE would not have fit in our 3/4 Stop it!! They would have dominated.
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Post by jaymas on Oct 9, 2018 12:14:57 GMT -5
Wow - Raanan didn’t get a single thing right in that article Man. Thing that jumped out to me was Pugh, Richburg, Flowers, Schwartz, and a vet Beatty. Reese did everything he could over a 3 year period to fix the oline. This is critical for 2 reasons: #1 people who said he ignored it...well that's wrong. #2 It is unbelievable that basically none of those moves worked out for anything beyond the short term, with Flowers being a total bust.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 12:44:48 GMT -5
One of the names bolded is the Giants RB. The other is the guy being talked about in posts regarding the Ereck Flowers pick. Do you understand now? Dude. Is there too much bran in your muffin? Settle down lol. I understand. You have an agenda. Not judging it. Any chance you get, it seems you’ll point out a reason why Barkley shouldn’t have been drafted. It’s a message board. You’re allowed. I had Fruity Pebbles for breakfast. Yabba dabba doo!
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Post by fifthavephil on Oct 9, 2018 15:16:54 GMT -5
44 minutes and counting.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 9, 2018 15:18:55 GMT -5
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Post by Kase1 on Oct 9, 2018 16:40:07 GMT -5
Why did we waive him instead of just keeping him on as depth, i thought he was already paid for. Might as well keep him on as depth in case someone goes down, i couldnt imagine him being worse than any of the other backup tackles.
Hell, who knows, maybe he was cursed...... If anyone watched 'castle rock' he was like the cursed white henry deaver, LOL
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Post by fifthavephil on Oct 9, 2018 17:13:54 GMT -5
Well then, Happy New Year.
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Post by Jomo on Oct 9, 2018 17:18:47 GMT -5
Exactly what? Did I say these stats - or any others, for that matter - “belong in a vacuum”? I simply presented the facts (something I know isn’t appreciated on this board...especially when they run counter to the popular narrative). I haven't read the thread or know what led up to this but I do know that those are not facts, they are numbers.
Those who overlook context and nuance are simply seeking numbers which support whatever conclusion they are peddling.
It is a worn out technique which we see on TV every night.
Of course the world is built not just on data, but context and nuance. Eli could have the most passing yards in the league. That will not make him the best QB in the league.
If we have to explain that to some here............
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Post by lawrencetaylor56hof on Oct 9, 2018 17:52:36 GMT -5
Problem with developing Olineman. Poor coaching in college and not a lot a lot of contact allowed in offseason. I think the guys outside round 1 come in hungrier to develop and get that pay day. You gotta our in work.
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 9, 2018 18:00:28 GMT -5
Exactly what? Did I say these stats - or any others, for that matter - “belong in a vacuum”? I simply presented the facts (something I know isn’t appreciated on this board...especially when they run counter to the popular narrative). I haven't read the thread or know what led up to this but I do know that those are not facts, they are numbers.
Those who overlook context and nuance are simply seeking numbers which support whatever conclusion they are peddling.
It is a worn out technique which we see on TV every night.
Of course the world is built not just on data, but context and nuance. Eli could have the most passing yards in the league. That will not make him the best QB in the league.
If we have to explain that to some here............
It wouldn't?!?! Crap.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 18:05:35 GMT -5
I think he can still play in this league. maybe change of scenery
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 9, 2018 18:07:15 GMT -5
I think he can still play in this league. maybe change of scenery I agree. He was a starter on a pro roster for years. Given the dearth of depth at OL league wide I'm sure he latches on somewhere.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Oct 9, 2018 18:12:07 GMT -5
Man. Thing that jumped out to me was Pugh, Richburg, Flowers, Schwartz, and a vet Beatty. Reese did everything he could over a 3 year period to fix the oline. This is critical for 2 reasons: #1 people who said he ignored it...well that's wrong. #2 It is unbelievable that basically none of those moves worked out for anything beyond the short term, with Flowers being a total bust. Exactly, I made that same point earlier. Say what you want about Reese, and he certainly made several poor picks, but he did try to address the offensive line. Unfortunately, he just didn't pick or sign the right guys.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 9, 2018 18:17:11 GMT -5
Problem with developing Olineman. Poor coaching in college and not a lot a lot of contact allowed in offseason. I think the guys outside round 1 come in hungrier to develop and get that pay day. You gotta our in work. Especially tackles,80% of all offenses play that quick air raid RPO spread option style where more emphasis is put on developing the interior linemen. Most schools the tackles are taught to just get in the way for 2 seconds. Meanwhile speed and edge rushers are getting more and more athletic by the year. It's going to get a lot worse in this league
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 18:49:54 GMT -5
I think he can still play in this league. maybe change of scenery I agree. He was a starter on a pro roster for years. Given the dearth of depth at OL league wide I'm sure he latches on somewhere. he was a bit of a scapegoat if you ask me. Even An allpro like Solder is being talked poorly about now.
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Post by piddy283 on Oct 9, 2018 18:56:05 GMT -5
Man. Thing that jumped out to me was Pugh, Richburg, Flowers, Schwartz, and a vet Beatty. Reese did everything he could over a 3 year period to fix the oline. This is critical for 2 reasons: #1 people who said he ignored it...well that's wrong. #2 It is unbelievable that basically none of those moves worked out for anything beyond the short term, with Flowers being a total bust. Exactly, I made that same point earlier. Say what you want about Reese, and he certainly made several poor picks, but he did try to address the offensive line. Unfortunately, he just didn't pick or sign the right guys. You're correct on paper, but his picks were piss poor. Nearly every one of JR's OL picks were considered reaches at the time he picked them (Pugh, Flowers, and Richburg) Most were considered "finesse" OL, lacking strength to consistently take on bull rushes, and unimpressive in the running game (Beatty, Pugh, Richburg). While JR may have drafted OL, his picks were considered poor by most couch coaches and prognosticators alike. Looking back, he was pretty much an ego boost for all of us draft nerds, because we called him out so many times for poor picks at the time he made them, and we turned out to be right more often than not.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 9, 2018 18:56:41 GMT -5
I agree. He was a starter on a pro roster for years. Given the dearth of depth at OL league wide I'm sure he latches on somewhere. he was a bit of a scapegoat if you ask me. Even An allpro like Solder is being talked poorly about now. Yeah it seemed that way.Seems a more than a few people equate Flowers to Reese and some of his late years mistakes (and even moronicly equating Flowers to Reese's legacy). Not really fair IMO,though Flowers play on tbe field not matching his draft status did not help at all.
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