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Post by inconvenientruth on Mar 14, 2024 12:14:34 GMT -5
the issue is very few CBs possess the mental/physical aptitude to be a boundary starter in this league. Very, very few. Particularly, in our match based system which requires intelligence at the position. Tre Hawkins is a young guy they thought would work - the result was a perfect QB rating when targeting him in coverage. I get that, but it is not a reason to stop trying. Hawkins was a 6th round rookie, it's not surprising he did poorly. If the Giants drafted another CB in the 2nd or 3rd round I think the expectations would be higher, but the goal would be to get experience (even if it is bad experience) this coming year and be more ready for 2025. Maybe if you think White will still be good in 2025 that would work, but the Giants would still need a corner while he gets healthy. i think with EDGE more or less settled, CB#2 is the biggest need we have on defense. As you said, even if they find a guy like White in FA, you cannot bank on him in 24' they will likely draft a CB in this draft, we dont have the cap to sign a day 1 starter in FA. The upside White provides is tremendous, which is why I would like the move, particularly, if we could get him on a incentive, games played based contract.
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Post by McCherry on Mar 14, 2024 12:15:28 GMT -5
Secondary has a lot of questions at the moment. Down two starters.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Mar 14, 2024 12:16:13 GMT -5
Secondary has a lot of questions at the moment. Down two starters. thankfully an elite DL eliminates how long these boys have to 'work'. per snap
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Post by inconvenientruth on Mar 14, 2024 12:18:01 GMT -5
I also wonder where Giants play Mills? he has starting experience at every spot in the secondary
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Post by Nick6475 on Mar 14, 2024 12:22:49 GMT -5
I also wonder where Giants play Mills? he has starting experience at every spot in the secondary At best he is veteran depth that can fill in at any of the spots. At worst, he is the starting #2 CB or FS.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Mar 14, 2024 12:23:58 GMT -5
I also wonder where Giants play Mills? he has starting experience at every spot in the secondary At best he is veteran depth that can fill in at any of the spots. At worst, he is the starting #2 CB or FS. its probably why the Giants signed him. Can start at FS/CB in a pinch, depending on what they're unable to address for the remainder of the offseason
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Post by McCherry on Mar 14, 2024 12:35:00 GMT -5
I also wonder where Giants play Mills? he has starting experience at every spot in the secondary At best he is veteran depth that can fill in at any of the spots. At worst, he is the starting #2 CB or FS. I don't know, he wasn't really a starter last year, more of a role player as a hybrid S, slot CB.
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Post by Nick6475 on Mar 14, 2024 12:44:41 GMT -5
Cardinals just traded Rondale Moore to Falcons for Ridder. For those of you holding out hope that Harrison drops, he's not getting by the Cards.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Mar 14, 2024 13:57:26 GMT -5
Cardinals just traded Rondale Moore to Falcons for Ridder. For those of you holding out hope that Harrison drops, he's not getting by the Cards. Unless they trade with the Vikings. Vikings want JJ. They will be making a move up in one way, shape or form, to get him
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Post by idkaname on Mar 15, 2024 8:40:08 GMT -5
Cardinals just traded Rondale Moore to Falcons for Ridder. For those of you holding out hope that Harrison drops, he's not getting by the Cards. Unless they trade with the Vikings. Vikings want JJ. They will be making a move up in one way, shape or form, to get him You're assuming he gets past the bears / pats/ wsh / LA too
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Post by McCherry on Mar 15, 2024 14:52:15 GMT -5
Offensive lineman Ben Bredeson, whom the New York Giants acquired in a 2021 trade with the Baltimore Ravens, has signed a one-year deal with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers worth up to $3.5 million.
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Post by fifthavephil on Mar 15, 2024 15:36:56 GMT -5
Offensive lineman Ben Bredeson, whom the New York Giants acquired in a 2021 trade with the Baltimore Ravens, has signed a one-year deal with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers worth up to $3.5 million. Bredeson was alright but did not see him being any better. Seamed to be overpowered at times.
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Post by fifthavephil on Mar 15, 2024 15:43:47 GMT -5
Giants signed two OL men Austin Schlottman and Aaron Stinnie former Buccaneer. Per BBV
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Post by Merc on Mar 15, 2024 15:56:11 GMT -5
Looks like the Giants addressed the OL before the draft, giving them the ability to choose best options during the draft.
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Post by miggs on Mar 15, 2024 21:23:11 GMT -5
Looks like the Giants addressed the OL before the draft, giving them the ability to choose best options during the draft. Maybe on paper, but will they gel? And will injuries raise it's ugly head? Still have to deal with a poor playing surface. Hope new OL coach can help. Might want to see who they're blocking for. Lock and Singletary?
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Post by myronguyton29 on Mar 16, 2024 9:32:53 GMT -5
I get that, but it is not a reason to stop trying. Hawkins was a 6th round rookie, it's not surprising he did poorly. If the Giants drafted another CB in the 2nd or 3rd round I think the expectations would be higher, but the goal would be to get experience (even if it is bad experience) this coming year and be more ready for 2025. Maybe if you think White will still be good in 2025 that would work, but the Giants would still need a corner while he gets healthy. i think with EDGE more or less settled, CB#2 is the biggest need we have on defense. As you said, even if they find a guy like White in FA, you cannot bank on him in 24' they will likely draft a CB in this draft, we dont have the cap to sign a day 1 starter in FA. The upside White provides is tremendous, which is why I would like the move, particularly, if we could get him on a incentive, games played based contract. white who?
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Post by myronguyton29 on Mar 16, 2024 9:34:05 GMT -5
Secondary has a lot of questions at the moment. Down two starters. thankfully an elite DL eliminates how long these boys have to 'work'. per snap and let's hope that D line can play consistently like the top 5 ish on paper they are currently.....
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Post by Fletch842 on Mar 16, 2024 9:38:48 GMT -5
i think with EDGE more or less settled, CB#2 is the biggest need we have on defense. As you said, even if they find a guy like White in FA, you cannot bank on him in 24' they will likely draft a CB in this draft, we dont have the cap to sign a day 1 starter in FA. The upside White provides is tremendous, which is why I would like the move, particularly, if we could get him on a incentive, games played based contract. white who? maybe the former Bills - Tre'Davious White, whom I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole given his injury history.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Mar 16, 2024 9:41:01 GMT -5
maybe the former Bills - Tre'Davious White, whom I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole given his injury history. lol oh
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Post by inconvenientruth on Mar 16, 2024 10:39:57 GMT -5
i think with EDGE more or less settled, CB#2 is the biggest need we have on defense. As you said, even if they find a guy like White in FA, you cannot bank on him in 24' they will likely draft a CB in this draft, we dont have the cap to sign a day 1 starter in FA. The upside White provides is tremendous, which is why I would like the move, particularly, if we could get him on a incentive, games played based contract. white who? tre'davious white CB bills!
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Post by McCherry on Mar 16, 2024 10:55:07 GMT -5
I get that, but it is not a reason to stop trying. Hawkins was a 6th round rookie, it's not surprising he did poorly. If the Giants drafted another CB in the 2nd or 3rd round I think the expectations would be higher, but the goal would be to get experience (even if it is bad experience) this coming year and be more ready for 2025. Maybe if you think White will still be good in 2025 that would work, but the Giants would still need a corner while he gets healthy. i think with EDGE more or less settled, CB#2 is the biggest need we have on defense. As you said, even if they find a guy like White in FA, you cannot bank on him in 24' they will likely draft a CB in this draft, we dont have the cap to sign a day 1 starter in FA. The upside White provides is tremendous, which is why I would like the move, particularly, if we could get him on a incentive, games played based contract. I think they'll make a Fabian Moreau type signing.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Mar 16, 2024 11:08:54 GMT -5
i think with EDGE more or less settled, CB#2 is the biggest need we have on defense. As you said, even if they find a guy like White in FA, you cannot bank on him in 24' they will likely draft a CB in this draft, we dont have the cap to sign a day 1 starter in FA. The upside White provides is tremendous, which is why I would like the move, particularly, if we could get him on a incentive, games played based contract. I think they'll make a Fabian Moreau type signing. He played well as a stop gap
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Post by jaymas on Mar 16, 2024 11:44:38 GMT -5
maybe the former Bills - Tre'Davious White, whom I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole given his injury history. But his injury history could allow for a low risk contract to gamble on someone of his talent level. I take that all day. He's not gonna get a crazy contract.
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Post by McCherry on Mar 16, 2024 11:54:24 GMT -5
The 4 offensive linemen and two blocking TE's show a serious commitment to both run and pass blocking this year. Lack of a blocking at the TE last year was a major deficit for the offense.
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Post by Fletch842 on Mar 16, 2024 12:00:04 GMT -5
maybe the former Bills - Tre'Davious White, whom I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole given his injury history. But his injury history could allow for a low risk contract to gamble on someone of his talent level. I take that all day. He's not gonna get a crazy contract. his injury history makes it a high risk no matter how much you're paying him.
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Post by inthezone on Mar 16, 2024 14:05:26 GMT -5
i think with EDGE more or less settled, CB#2 is the biggest need we have on defense. As you said, even if they find a guy like White in FA, you cannot bank on him in 24' they will likely draft a CB in this draft, we dont have the cap to sign a day 1 starter in FA. The upside White provides is tremendous, which is why I would like the move, particularly, if we could get him on a incentive, games played based contract. I think they'll make a Fabian Moreau type signing. Nick McCloud should be signed.
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Post by jaymas on Mar 16, 2024 14:46:31 GMT -5
But his injury history could allow for a low risk contract to gamble on someone of his talent level. I take that all day. He's not gonna get a crazy contract. his injury history makes it a high risk no matter how much you're paying him. Yeah we just disagree on that. A sub 2 digit cap hit, let's say like 3 mil in a performance laden contract is so worth it. It's not like we're giving up draft picks for the guy and it doesn't stop us from solidifying the position with someone not at his level either.
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Post by McCherry on Mar 16, 2024 18:08:48 GMT -5
I think they'll make a Fabian Moreau type signing. Nick McCloud should be signed. He's a restricted FA that the Giants have tendered.
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Post by mendy on Mar 17, 2024 11:32:25 GMT -5
The 4 offensive linemen and two blocking TE's show a serious commitment to both run and pass blocking this year. Lack of a blocking at the TE last year was a major deficit for the offense. It's now 3 TE's , they resigned Cager.
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Post by miggs on Mar 17, 2024 14:25:44 GMT -5
Could he become an Eagle Killer ? Yep. Getting him will result in salvaging Barkley leaving. . .
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