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Post by lacesout on Mar 17, 2024 14:31:56 GMT -5
Pretty decent list of FA's signings, nice job.
Hopefully you'll overtake the Cowgirls and finish 2nd in the Division to my Iggles.
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Post by TEM on Mar 17, 2024 17:07:45 GMT -5
Azeez Ojulari seems to not be on the pre-draft trade block āOjulari may seem expendable, but the Giants arenāt planning to trade the 23-year-old as he enters the final year of his rookie contract, according to a league source. Having a third edge rusher with 16 sacks over the past three seasons gives the Giants much better edge depth than theyāve had in years. Itās not ideal for Ojulari to have his contract year crashed by Burns. But even pass-rush specialists cash in, so Ojulari could secure a solid payday if heās productive in a reduced role.ā link
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Post by te88 on Mar 18, 2024 5:10:30 GMT -5
Azeez Ojulari seems to not be on the pre-draft trade block āOjulari may seem expendable, but the Giants arenāt planning to trade the 23-year-old as he enters the final year of his rookie contract, according to a league source. Having a third edge rusher with 16 sacks over the past three seasons gives the Giants much better edge depth than theyāve had in years. Itās not ideal for Ojulari to have his contract year crashed by Burns. But even pass-rush specialists cash in, so Ojulari could secure a solid payday if heās productive in a reduced role.ā linkI expect him to do well under Bowen. It is a way more pass rush oriented defence and the edge guys will be asked to do what they do best and pin their ears back more often than not. Should also be better for him health and durability wise. Most likely he has a good year and gets a big contract elsewhere.
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Post by TEM on Mar 18, 2024 5:39:08 GMT -5
Azeez Ojulari seems to not be on the pre-draft trade block āOjulari may seem expendable, but the Giants arenāt planning to trade the 23-year-old as he enters the final year of his rookie contract, according to a league source. Having a third edge rusher with 16 sacks over the past three seasons gives the Giants much better edge depth than theyāve had in years. Itās not ideal for Ojulari to have his contract year crashed by Burns. But even pass-rush specialists cash in, so Ojulari could secure a solid payday if heās productive in a reduced role.ā linkI expect him to do well under Bowen. It is a way more pass rush oriented defence and the edge guys will be asked to do what they do best and pin their ears back more often than not. Should also be better for him health and durability wise. Most likely he has a good year and gets a big contract elsewhere. I always felt he is a good pass rusher. His biggest obstacle is health.
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Post by idkaname on Mar 18, 2024 13:34:38 GMT -5
A.J Dillon blows.. Guy benefited from having Aaron Rodgers under center his first three years. He only has two gears.. Slow and backwards.. Good thing he's not being used as a home-run hitter. He's a powerback, that establishes physicality. He had 7 runs of 11+ yards last year which is 6 more than anyone our team not named barkley in 2023...oh and he his long of 40 yards last year is 4 yards more than Barkley's longest last year (36) Btw, Barkley had a stuffed run rate (stopped at or behind LOS on run) of 25.1% which was 2nd worst in league. Dillion had a 17.4% which was 26 spots better.... Stop making up false narratives, he was one of the best runners at avoiding negative plays...
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 18, 2024 21:29:00 GMT -5
Azeez Ojulari seems to not be on the pre-draft trade block āOjulari may seem expendable, but the Giants arenāt planning to trade the 23-year-old as he enters the final year of his rookie contract, according to a league source. Having a third edge rusher with 16 sacks over the past three seasons gives the Giants much better edge depth than theyāve had in years. Itās not ideal for Ojulari to have his contract year crashed by Burns. But even pass-rush specialists cash in, so Ojulari could secure a solid payday if heās productive in a reduced role.ā linkI don't get why he would be, the team needs 3 for a rotation.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 18, 2024 21:32:25 GMT -5
Azeez Ojulari seems to not be on the pre-draft trade block āOjulari may seem expendable, but the Giants arenāt planning to trade the 23-year-old as he enters the final year of his rookie contract, according to a league source. Having a third edge rusher with 16 sacks over the past three seasons gives the Giants much better edge depth than theyāve had in years. Itās not ideal for Ojulari to have his contract year crashed by Burns. But even pass-rush specialists cash in, so Ojulari could secure a solid payday if heās productive in a reduced role.ā linkI expect him to do well under Bowen. It is a way more pass rush oriented defence and the edge guys will be asked to do what they do best and pin their ears back more often than not. Should also be better for him health and durability wise. Most likely he has a good year and gets a big contract elsewhere. I think being the three guy in the rotation will help take snaps off him and keep him healthy really help all of them stay fresh and healthy.
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Post by TEM on Mar 18, 2024 23:42:44 GMT -5
Azeez Ojulari seems to not be on the pre-draft trade block āOjulari may seem expendable, but the Giants arenāt planning to trade the 23-year-old as he enters the final year of his rookie contract, according to a league source. Having a third edge rusher with 16 sacks over the past three seasons gives the Giants much better edge depth than theyāve had in years. Itās not ideal for Ojulari to have his contract year crashed by Burns. But even pass-rush specialists cash in, so Ojulari could secure a solid payday if heās productive in a reduced role.ā linkI don't get why he would be, the team needs 3 for a rotation. Well, the FO did trade for Boogie Basham last season. The Bills picked him in the second round in 2021 (pick 60) Oju was pick 50 in the same drat. It is not like they did not have a rotation player. I am glad his staying on the roster. IMO they need at least 4 . the injury bug does and will bite. We received Boogie and the Bills 7th round pick in 2025 for the Giants 6th in 2025.
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Post by inthezone on Mar 19, 2024 6:57:54 GMT -5
I expect him to do well under Bowen. It is a way more pass rush oriented defence and the edge guys will be asked to do what they do best and pin their ears back more often than not. Should also be better for him health and durability wise. Most likely he has a good year and gets a big contract elsewhere. I think being the three guy in the rotation will help take snaps off him and keep him healthy really help all of them stay fresh and healthy. I don't see how anyone could be optimistic that he will stay healthy. How many times has he been injured in practice before the season?
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Post by Kruunch on Mar 19, 2024 8:38:14 GMT -5
A.J Dillon blows.. Guy benefited from having Aaron Rodgers under center his first three years. He only has two gears.. Slow and backwards.. Good thing he's not being used as a home-run hitter. He's a powerback, that establishes physicality. He had 7 runs of 11+ yards last year which is 6 more than anyone our team not named barkley in 2023...oh and he his long of 40 yards last year is 4 yards more than Barkley's longest last year (36) Btw, Barkley had a stuffed run rate (stopped at or behind LOS on run) of 25.1% which was 2nd worst in league. Dillion had a 17.4% which was 26 spots better.... Stop making up false narratives, he was one of the best runners at avoiding negative plays... Heās garbage.. You must have been digging for days to find these lame ass highlights of his.. Instead of striking oil.. you hit a sewer line. The whole league must have missed the memo of him being a power back. Because he just ran back home.. barely. For a hair over the league minimum.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 19, 2024 8:39:39 GMT -5
I don't get why he would be, the team needs 3 for a rotation. Well, the FO did trade for Boogie Basham last season. The Bills picked him in the second round in 2021 (pick 60) Oju was pick 50 in the same drat. It is not like they did not have a rotation player. I am glad his staying on the roster. IMO they need at least 4 . the injury bug does and will bite. We received Boogie and the Bills 7th round pick in 2025 for the Giants 6th in 2025. Boogie was a pretty good player coming out think the trade was a good one he will be solid depth not spectacular but if someone goes down he will set the edge and get a little pressure.
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Post by idkaname on Mar 19, 2024 11:11:09 GMT -5
Good thing he's not being used as a home-run hitter. He's a powerback, that establishes physicality. He had 7 runs of 11+ yards last year which is 6 more than anyone our team not named barkley in 2023...oh and he his long of 40 yards last year is 4 yards more than Barkley's longest last year (36) Btw, Barkley had a stuffed run rate (stopped at or behind LOS on run) of 25.1% which was 2nd worst in league. Dillion had a 17.4% which was 26 spots better.... Stop making up false narratives, he was one of the best runners at avoiding negative plays... Heās garbage.. You must have been digging for days to find these lame ass highlights of his.. Instead of striking oil.. you hit a sewer line. The whole league must have missed the memo of him being a power back. Because he just ran back home.. barely. For a hair over the league minimum. I mean I'm okay with getting a RB in the draft but I already made a post about Daboll / Schoens history with RBs, they like zone runners that are elusive and don't care about speed, so don't hope for anything like that is all I'm saying. Not one RB drafted during either of their tenders with us or BUF ran less than a 4.5...I think we need the (eventual) best RB in the draft...Frank Gore JR. who can likely be had rounds 4-6...he doesn't stand out with metrics but ran like an NFL back in college and will virtually become a clone of his did (consistent quality back for a LONG time)
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Post by inconvenientruth on Mar 19, 2024 15:20:56 GMT -5
Just to rehash in order as I recall it: 1-Cut Glowinski 2-Re-sign Kreiter 3-Re-sign Coughlin 4-Re-sign Gunner 5-McKinney leaves for Green Bay 6-Saquon leaves for Philadelphia 7-Sign Jon Runyan 8-Sign Devin Singletary 9-Sign Jermaine Eluemunor 10-Trade for Brian Burns and pick him up at the airport with a Brinks truck. 11-Tyrod leaves for Jets 12-Sign Drew Lock 13-A'Shawn leaves for Carolina 14-Sign Jalen Mills 15-Sign Isaiah McKenzie ...... Did I miss anything? hopefully, Tre'Davious White at some point make it happen, Joe.
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Post by piddy283 on Mar 19, 2024 15:26:50 GMT -5
hopefully,Ā Tre'Davious White at some point make it happen, Joe.Ā Wouldnāt hate adding a veteran opposite Banks, and removing CB2 from the list of needs going into the draft would be great.
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Post by piddy283 on Mar 19, 2024 15:27:15 GMT -5
Iām liking this guy more and more.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Mar 19, 2024 15:36:28 GMT -5
Wouldnāt hate adding a veteran opposite Banks, and removing CB2 from the list of needs going into the draft would be great. cheap, incentive based deal is a win/win for both parties.
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Post by Nick6475 on Mar 19, 2024 16:34:04 GMT -5
Wouldnāt hate adding a veteran opposite Banks, and removing CB2 from the list of needs going into the draft would be great. cheap, incentive based deal is a win/win for both parties. It better be cheap. He has missed 29 games over the last three seasons and is currently coming off a torn achilles injury at 29 years old. Definitely a good player when healthy though.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Mar 19, 2024 16:35:37 GMT -5
cheap, incentive based deal is a win/win for both parties. It better be cheap. He has missed 29 games over the last three seasons and is currently coming off a torn achilles injury at 29 years old. Definitely a good player when healthy though. Yeah to me, pay him near vet minimum base, with playing time incentives based on per game $ amounts. so if he starts, he gets paid more. A nice bridge CB#2 who a couple of years ago was top-5 at his position
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Post by piddy283 on Mar 19, 2024 17:05:58 GMT -5
cheap, incentive based deal is a win/win for both parties.Ā It better be cheap.Ā He has missed 29 games over the last three seasons and is currently coming off a torn achilles injury at 29 years old.Ā Definitely a good player when healthy though. lol did not realize that. Maybe not him, but a vet CB would be cool.
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Post by miggs on Mar 20, 2024 4:37:02 GMT -5
Giants are getting good reviews on their moves this off-season. Need to see if that carries over to the draft and translates to their performance on the field.
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Post by Fletch842 on Mar 20, 2024 7:03:04 GMT -5
It better be cheap. He has missed 29 games over the last three seasons and is currently coming off a torn achilles injury at 29 years old. Definitely a good player when healthy though. lol did not realize that. Maybe not him, but a vet CB would be cool. I'd stay away from him, he hasn't been able to stay on the field the last 2 years. His injury history totally scares me off. Prior to that, he was an excellent player though, so I certainly understand, just with our injury history, I'm a bit jaded.
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 23, 2024 20:31:12 GMT -5
In case anyone was wondering about the Giants interest in Tyrod Taylor - there was interest but they could not agree on the price according to TT.
āThe Giants did show interest in retaining me,ā Taylor said. āIt just didnāt work out on the business side. But just nothing but respect for that organization and wish them the best.ā - Tyrod Taylor
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Post by McCherry on Mar 24, 2024 14:11:24 GMT -5
In case anyone was wondering about the Giants interest in Tyrod Taylor - there was interest but they could not agree on the price according to TT. āThe Giants did show interest in retaining me,ā Taylor said. āIt just didnāt work out on the business side. But just nothing but respect for that organization and wish them the best.ā - Tyrod TaylorTyrod might be the most overpaid player ex-Giant this offseason. More so than even SB or XM.
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Post by Kruunch on Mar 24, 2024 14:32:12 GMT -5
In case anyone was wondering about the Giants interest in Tyrod Taylor - there was interest but they could not agree on the price according to TT. āThe Giants did show interest in retaining me,ā Taylor said. āIt just didnāt work out on the business side. But just nothing but respect for that organization and wish them the best.ā - Tyrod TaylorTyrod might be the most overpaid player ex-Giant this offseason. More so than even SB or XM. You exaggerate.. Quarterbacks get paid.. Backups might as well be starters in wait since theyāre a heart beat away from calling the shots. You canāt have a Mike Glennon or Jake Fromm as your plan B. Mac Jones who couldnāt hit the ocean sitting in a boat. Was traded for this offseason. Comparing Taylor to McKinney and Barkley is laughable.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Mar 25, 2024 14:15:43 GMT -5
Tyrod might be the most overpaid player ex-Giant this offseason. More so than even SB or XM. You exaggerate.. Quarterbacks get paid.. Backups might as well be starters in wait since theyāre a heart beat away from calling the shots. You canāt have a Mike Glennon or Jake Fromm as your plan B. Mac Jones who couldnāt hit the ocean sitting in a boat. Was traded for this offseason. Comparing Taylor to McKinney and Barkley is laughable. Particularly, how he was able to throw it deep at a top 1- level last year, consistently. Despite "the worst OL in history"
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Post by idkaname on Mar 25, 2024 14:43:10 GMT -5
You exaggerate.. Quarterbacks get paid.. Backups might as well be starters in wait since theyāre a heart beat away from calling the shots. You canāt have a Mike Glennon or Jake Fromm as your plan B. Mac Jones who couldnāt hit the ocean sitting in a boat. Was traded for this offseason. Comparing Taylor to McKinney and Barkley is laughable. Particularly, how he was able to throw it deep at a top 1- level last year, consistently. Despite "the worst OL in history" eh, his catchable ball rate on deep passes (20+ yards) was 48.1% tied for 15th in the league with Kirk Cousins. His overall catchable pass rate was 71.1% was goo for 44th in the league. I'll give you Jones was way worse on deep balls in comparison 30.8% but Jones was 8th in the entire league with 77.5% overall catchable pass rate
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Post by inconvenientruth on Mar 25, 2024 14:52:44 GMT -5
Particularly, how he was able to throw it deep at a top 1- level last year, consistently. Despite "the worst OL in history" eh, his catchable ball rate on deep passes (20+ yards) was 48.1% tied for 15th in the league with Kirk Cousins. His overall catchable pass rate was 71.1% was goo for 44th in the league. I'll give you Jones was way worse on deep balls in comparison 30.8% but Jones was 8th in the entire league with 77.5% overall catchable pass rate Jones 77.5% would be skewed heaviliy due to the fact that he rarely throws it deep, so much less of sample size. I would guess single digits in his 5 game sample size. Even if you look at YPA, Taylor was at a respectful 7.4, DJ 5.7 - massive delta. 7.4 was Josh Allens YPA last year, for context. If Mike is saying Taylors contract is bad, what are we saying about DJs, lol.
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Post by idkaname on Mar 25, 2024 15:01:40 GMT -5
eh, his catchable ball rate on deep passes (20+ yards) was 48.1% tied for 15th in the league with Kirk Cousins. His overall catchable pass rate was 71.1% was goo for 44th in the league. I'll give you Jones was way worse on deep balls in comparison 30.8% but Jones was 8th in the entire league with 77.5% overall catchable pass rate Jones 77.5% would be skewed heaviliy due to the fact that he rarely throws it deep, so much less of sample size. I would guess single digits in his 5 game sample size. Even if you look at YPA, Taylor was at a respectful 7.4, DJ 5.7 - massive delta. 7.4 was Josh Allens YPA last year, for context. If Mike is saying Taylors contract is bad, what are we saying about DJs, lol. interesting take. Taylor 27 deep ball attempts (2.7 per game played in) Jones 13 deep ball attempts (2.2 per games played in) Tyrod Taylor total air yards 1544 (140.4 per game played in) Daniel Jones total air yard 1079 (179.8 per game played in) Lemme kno when you're done spreading lies.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Mar 25, 2024 15:13:41 GMT -5
Jones 77.5% would be skewed heaviliy due to the fact that he rarely throws it deep, so much less of sample size. I would guess single digits in his 5 game sample size. Even if you look at YPA, Taylor was at a respectful 7.4, DJ 5.7 - massive delta. 7.4 was Josh Allens YPA last year, for context. If Mike is saying Taylors contract is bad, what are we saying about DJs, lol. interesting take. Taylor 27 deep ball attempts (2.7 per game played in) Jones 13 deep ball attempts (2.2 per games played in) Tyrod Taylor total air yards 1544 (140.4 per game played in) Daniel Jones total air yard 1079 (179.8 per game played in) Lemme kno when you're done spreading lies. You want to know my favorite DJ statistic. This one will live on man. DJ had 13 completions from the pocket, outside the #'s, and beyond 10 yards in his vaunted 2022 season. 13, man. That is special. You didn't think the league would catch on to this limitation? I talked about it to whoever would listen in 2021. Sadly, this debate is as dead as DJ's chances for relevance in 2025, or beyond. On to the next.
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Post by idkaname on Mar 25, 2024 15:39:37 GMT -5
interesting take. Taylor 27 deep ball attempts (2.7 per game played in) Jones 13 deep ball attempts (2.2 per games played in) Tyrod Taylor total air yards 1544 (140.4 per game played in) Daniel Jones total air yard 1079 (179.8 per game played in) Lemme kno when you're done spreading lies. You want to know my favorite DJ statistic. This one will live on man. DJ had 13 completions from the pocket, outside the #'s, and beyond 10 yards in his vaunted 2022 season. 13, man. That is special. You didn't think the league would catch on to this limitation? I talked about it to whoever would listen in 2021. Sadly, this debate is as dead as DJ's chances for relevance in 2025, or beyond. On to the next. What were Tyord / Devitos numbers in that stat? just curious, not trying to twist it because that is bad
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