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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 1, 2019 11:06:07 GMT -5
NFL sources say Giants' selection of Daniel Jones was well received within league circles
'We all liked this kid. He's not an all-time great prospect, but he's a good one'
By Ralph Vacchiano | 9:30AM
EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. - There were boos on draft night when the Giants picked Daniel Jones sixth overall, and he was booed when he threw out the first pitch at Yankee Stadium a few weeks later. He was considered a reach pick by many, a symbol of a desperate, lost franchise, and proof that their embattled general manager didn't have a clue.
All that, though, was coming from outside of the NFL.
Inside the NFL, Jones -- and the Giants' decision to pick him as high as they did -- was viewed a heck of a lot better than that.
"He had a lot of sponsors throughout the league. People thought he was going to be a good player," said Daniel Jeremiah, a former NFL scout and current analyst with NFL Network. "Teams said he's got a lot of ability and thought he got unfairly beat up through the process."
"In terms of league coaches and GMs around the NFL, they liked Daniel Jones every bit as much as the Giants did."
"I got that sense as well," added former NFL quarterback Jim Miller, host of 'Movin' the Chains' on SiriusXM NFL Radio. "In terms of league coaches and GMs around the NFL, they liked Daniel Jones every bit as much as the Giants did."
That may be hard for fans and some members of the media to believe, but it's a sentiment echoed by multiple sources around the NFL in conversations with SNY. Heading into the NFL draft back in April, it was clear that Oklahoma quarterback Kyler Murray was going to the Arizona Cardinals at No. 1, but there was no clear consensus on who should be the next quarterback off the board.
Ohio State's Dwayne Haskins and Missouri's Drew Lock both had strong supporters. But so did Jones.
In fact, multiple sources confirmed that several teams considered Jones the next best quarterback in the draft and some considered him a Top-10 pick -- a fact which would seem to confirm the Giants' belief that Jones would not have still been available for them to select with their second first round draft pick -- 17th overall. The Giants believed that the Denver Broncos (at 10) and the Washington Redskins (at 15) were poised to take Jones, and that another team might try to jump up and grab him too.
It's impossible to know for sure whether that would have happened. But two pre-draft polls of NFL general managers - one taken by SiriusXM NFL radio and one by NFL Network analyst Charley Casserly -- strongly suggest Jones was unlikely to get out of the Top 15.
"Every GM had it listed differently," said Miller, who conducted the poll with his co-host, former NFL executive Pat Kirwan. "For some on the list, Kyler Murray was 1. For others on the list, Dwayne Haskins was 1.
"But there were teams that had Daniel Jones as their No. 1."
"Murray was No. 1 (in my poll)," Casserly added. "But Jones and Haskins were basically tied at 2. Flip of the coin. And that's from talking to 25 teams. Twenty-five teams told me is that it was a dead heat."
So when the Giants took Jones at 6, it may have caused fans to scream in agony and throw things at their TVs, and it may have caused the media to tear in to Gettleman, but few around the NFL considered it a "reach".
"I'm sure some teams thought it was high, but nobody thought it was crazy," said one NFC executive. "We all liked this kid. He's not an all-time great prospect, but he's a good one. And (the Giants) needed a quarterback, too. It made perfect sense. I don't understand the hits (Gettleman) is taking."
"Look, if you have a need at that position and you like a guy, you don't play roulette and hope he's there at 17 when you're picking 6," Jeremiah added. "If you take a quarterback at 6 or 17 and you miss, a lot of people are going to lose their jobs anyway. So you might as well take the one you really want, rather than let someone else make that decision for you."
The Giants, of course, seemed to know all that, which has only infuriated their critics who remain upset with the pick. Eyes seem to roll every time Giants coach Pat Shurmur says that Jones has "exceeded expectations" or that "We really haven't seen anything that he can't do." It even sounded arrogant when camp opened and Shurmur said "We had more of the information about Daniel Jones than some of the people that covered him. We're less surprised about things than maybe some other people are."
But he's right.
"This kid has talent," said an NFC scout. "He's got a good-enough arm, all the intangibles, and the perfect temperament for New York. Fans who saw a couple of highlights and listened to some (person) on the radio may think this was a terrible pick. But no one around the league does."
"I think he will be a starter in the league," said Jeremiah, who ranked him as the 32nd best player in the draft. "He's got a shot to be a solid, steady player. I didn't peg him as somebody that had the upside to be a Top 5, maybe not even a Top 10. But he's somebody that if you build the right team around him, he's a Top 10-15 quarterback and you can win a bunch of games."
None of that is to suggest Jones is a flawless prospect or that people around the NFL think he's destined for greatness. In fact, there does seem to be one consistent issue people around the NFL seem to have with him: He does everything good, but nothing that's necessarily great. Murray had the elite athleticism that made him a unique weapon. Haskins and Lock had cannon arms that made scouts drool.
Jones was a lot like a young Eli Manning during his days at Ole Miss - solid, but not necessarily spectacular in any particular way.
"I don't think he has just one elite, rare trait," Jeremiah said. "He's got great size but he doesn't have an overpowering arm. He's a really good athlete, but he's not uniquely special in that area. And personality-wise, he doesn't have that take-over-the-room charisma that some guys have had, like a Baker Mayfield. So nothing jumps out at you that way."
"I saw Jones as having the best vision and anticipation of anybody in the draft," Casserly said. "But Haskins gave you the cannon arm to make the 'Wow' throw. My biggest question when I saw (Jones) live at the (Senior Bowl) was arm strength. But people who've seen him more than I have said 'The arm is fine.'"
Of course, a "fine" arm, no "elite" traits and no skill that jumps out at you is exactly why so many outside the NFL thought he was a reach at No. 6. But again, enough teams seemed to like enough about Jones, that it would've been a big risk for the Giants to wait.
"I agree with Dave Gettleman, if they don't take him as high as they did, I don't think he's there (at 17)," Miller said. "There's no guarantee that other teams leapfrog and say 'Hey, he just made it through the Giants, let's get up there ahead of the Giants (next pick). Hey, look what happened to Arizona (in 2017). They wanted Patrick Mahomes, then Kansas CIty jumps all the way up from 24 into the Top 10 and then you're left holding the bag. That happens too many times in the NFL."
"You can't mess around with the quarterback," said the NFC executive. "If you like him, take him. We all understand that."
Inside the NFL, sure they do. Outside the NFL, especially in New York, the selection of Jones remains a lightning rod for a fan base that seems conflicted. There were constant cries the last few years for the Giants to replace Manning. Then they draft his replacement, and the cries became about how they drafted the wrong guy at the wrong spot.
An outstanding spring and a strong start to the summer won't be enough to quiet them, either. Remember, when the Giants traded up for Manning in 2004 the deal was relatively well-received by the fan base, but four years into his career there were still many who were trying to run him out of town.
So for some, it won't matter that NFL people believe Jones will be a successful NFL quarterback until he actually becomes one.
"The criticism of this pick is incredible," the scout said. "No one thinks it was a big mistake. I don't know what the fans are thinking. What did he do to deserve getting booed?"
"Look, they booed Donovan McNabb (in Philadelphia) and they booed Mario Williams (in Houston), and both of them turned out pretty good," Casserly added. "So getting booed isn't a bad thing now. You don't want to be booed about three years into this, but getting booed at draft time? That's not all bad."
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 1, 2019 11:16:49 GMT -5
After Fbomb reads this he will be patting himself on the back so much he’ll get tennis elbow.
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Post by jimmieray on Aug 1, 2019 11:21:13 GMT -5
These other QBs had established brand and pizzazz, before even coming to the league. I'll take solid fundamentals and see what rises to the top over time.
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Post by nygiantsfan1029 on Aug 1, 2019 11:25:40 GMT -5
I’ll admit I didn’t like the pick at the time. I thought the giants pick was either going to be Haskins or Allen. I don’t know about Allen but the more I read about Jones and Haskins the more I m glad they passed on Haskins. Chances are Jones will fail. I’m not saying that to be a d*** or troll it is just statistics. But now that he is a giants I hope he beats those odds
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Post by McCherry on Aug 1, 2019 11:28:00 GMT -5
Snyder and Casserly probably loved Daniel Jones even more than we did.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 11:33:18 GMT -5
After Fbomb reads this he will be patting himself on the back so much he’ll get tennis elbow. I'm more interested in his brand. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 1, 2019 12:10:31 GMT -5
So they are saying he wont be as bad as the immediate media / fan reaction was, but he wont be great.
Yay! Mediocre expectations!
I expect him to be great. Taken at 6. In between 2 great propect QB classes.
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Post by Delicreep on Aug 1, 2019 12:39:13 GMT -5
So they are saying he wont be as bad as the immediate media / fan reaction was, but he wont be great. Yay! Mediocre expectations! I expect him to be great. Taken at 6. In between 2 great propect QB classes. Maybe you should call Josh Rosen and give him a pep talk. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 1, 2019 12:39:27 GMT -5
Solid to above average all over but no "elite" traits
Except vision and throwing with anticipation.
Left out of this was "hand picked by the Head Coach to be a perfect fit for his offense he is building from the ground up"
Where have we seen this work perfectly before?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 1, 2019 12:40:17 GMT -5
So they are saying he wont be as bad as the immediate media / fan reaction was, but he wont be great. Yay! Mediocre expectations! I expect him to be great. Taken at 6. In between 2 great propect QB classes. Maybe you should call Josh Rosen and give him a pep talk. Maybe he should. |
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Post by Delicreep on Aug 1, 2019 12:51:58 GMT -5
Maybe you should call Josh Rosen and give him a pep talk. Maybe he should. Little odd that he seems way behind Fitzmagic, if the reports are true. He was the guy your research said should have been the Giants choice after Mayfield, wasn't he? |
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 1, 2019 12:56:44 GMT -5
These other QBs had established brand and pizzazz, before even coming to the league. I'll take solid fundamentals and see what rises to the top over time. What's that one great trait that Brady has? |
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Post by Delicreep on Aug 1, 2019 12:58:38 GMT -5
These other QBs had established brand and pizzazz, before even coming to the league. I'll take solid fundamentals and see what rises to the top over time. What's that one great trait that Brady has? Brady is either awesome at reading D's presnap or has a great coach...or both. Maybe neither. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 1, 2019 12:58:44 GMT -5
So they are saying he wont be as bad as the immediate media / fan reaction was, but he wont be great. Yay! Mediocre expectations! I expect him to be great. Taken at 6. In between 2 great propect QB classes. Actually if you read it they're indicting the entire pre draft "ranking" media and marketing process as the made for morons TV pablum that it is. This is not news to many here. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 1, 2019 13:01:40 GMT -5
In fact, there does seem to be one consistent issue people around the NFL seem to have with him: He does everything good, but nothing that's necessarily great. Murray had the elite athleticism that made him a unique weapon. Haskins and Lock had cannon arms that made scouts drool.What's that one great trait that Brady has? Brady is either awesome at reading D's presnap or has a great coach...or both. Maybe neither. What about his rocket arm? athleticism? No? It's kinda sad because the article is basically saying that if you don't have a gimmick, the TeeVee talking heads are unable to discern or rate your performance appropriately. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 13:05:06 GMT -5
NFL sources say Giants' selection of Daniel Jones was well received within league circles
'We all liked this kid. He's not an all-time great prospect, but he's a good one'
By Ralph Vacchiano | 9:30AM
EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. - There were boos on draft night when the Giants picked Daniel Jones sixth overall, and he was booed when he threw out the first pitch at Yankee Stadium a few weeks later. He was considered a reach pick by many, a symbol of a desperate, lost franchise, and proof that their embattled general manager didn't have a clue.
All that, though, was coming from outside of the NFL.
Inside the NFL, Jones -- and the Giants' decision to pick him as high as they did -- was viewed a heck of a lot better than that.
"He had a lot of sponsors throughout the league. People thought he was going to be a good player," said Daniel Jeremiah, a former NFL scout and current analyst with NFL Network. "Teams said he's got a lot of ability and thought he got unfairly beat up through the process."
"In terms of league coaches and GMs around the NFL, they liked Daniel Jones every bit as much as the Giants did."
"I got that sense as well," added former NFL quarterback Jim Miller, host of 'Movin' the Chains' on SiriusXM NFL Radio. "In terms of league coaches and GMs around the NFL, they liked Daniel Jones every bit as much as the Giants did."
That may be hard for fans and some members of the media to believe, but it's a sentiment echoed by multiple sources around the NFL in conversations with SNY. Heading into the NFL draft back in April, it was clear that Oklahoma quarterback Kyler Murray was going to the Arizona Cardinals at No. 1, but there was no clear consensus on who should be the next quarterback off the board.
Ohio State's Dwayne Haskins and Missouri's Drew Lock both had strong supporters. But so did Jones.
In fact, multiple sources confirmed that several teams considered Jones the next best quarterback in the draft and some considered him a Top-10 pick -- a fact which would seem to confirm the Giants' belief that Jones would not have still been available for them to select with their second first round draft pick -- 17th overall. The Giants believed that the Denver Broncos (at 10) and the Washington Redskins (at 15) were poised to take Jones, and that another team might try to jump up and grab him too.
It's impossible to know for sure whether that would have happened. But two pre-draft polls of NFL general managers - one taken by SiriusXM NFL radio and one by NFL Network analyst Charley Casserly -- strongly suggest Jones was unlikely to get out of the Top 15.
"Every GM had it listed differently," said Miller, who conducted the poll with his co-host, former NFL executive Pat Kirwan. "For some on the list, Kyler Murray was 1. For others on the list, Dwayne Haskins was 1.
"But there were teams that had Daniel Jones as their No. 1."
"Murray was No. 1 (in my poll)," Casserly added. "But Jones and Haskins were basically tied at 2. Flip of the coin. And that's from talking to 25 teams. Twenty-five teams told me is that it was a dead heat."
So when the Giants took Jones at 6, it may have caused fans to scream in agony and throw things at their TVs, and it may have caused the media to tear in to Gettleman, but few around the NFL considered it a "reach".
"I'm sure some teams thought it was high, but nobody thought it was crazy," said one NFC executive. "We all liked this kid. He's not an all-time great prospect, but he's a good one. And (the Giants) needed a quarterback, too. It made perfect sense. I don't understand the hits (Gettleman) is taking."
"Look, if you have a need at that position and you like a guy, you don't play roulette and hope he's there at 17 when you're picking 6," Jeremiah added. "If you take a quarterback at 6 or 17 and you miss, a lot of people are going to lose their jobs anyway. So you might as well take the one you really want, rather than let someone else make that decision for you."
The Giants, of course, seemed to know all that, which has only infuriated their critics who remain upset with the pick. Eyes seem to roll every time Giants coach Pat Shurmur says that Jones has "exceeded expectations" or that "We really haven't seen anything that he can't do." It even sounded arrogant when camp opened and Shurmur said "We had more of the information about Daniel Jones than some of the people that covered him. We're less surprised about things than maybe some other people are."
But he's right.
"This kid has talent," said an NFC scout. "He's got a good-enough arm, all the intangibles, and the perfect temperament for New York. Fans who saw a couple of highlights and listened to some (person) on the radio may think this was a terrible pick. But no one around the league does."
"I think he will be a starter in the league," said Jeremiah, who ranked him as the 32nd best player in the draft. "He's got a shot to be a solid, steady player. I didn't peg him as somebody that had the upside to be a Top 5, maybe not even a Top 10. But he's somebody that if you build the right team around him, he's a Top 10-15 quarterback and you can win a bunch of games."
None of that is to suggest Jones is a flawless prospect or that people around the NFL think he's destined for greatness. In fact, there does seem to be one consistent issue people around the NFL seem to have with him: He does everything good, but nothing that's necessarily great. Murray had the elite athleticism that made him a unique weapon. Haskins and Lock had cannon arms that made scouts drool.
Jones was a lot like a young Eli Manning during his days at Ole Miss - solid, but not necessarily spectacular in any particular way.
"I don't think he has just one elite, rare trait," Jeremiah said. "He's got great size but he doesn't have an overpowering arm. He's a really good athlete, but he's not uniquely special in that area. And personality-wise, he doesn't have that take-over-the-room charisma that some guys have had, like a Baker Mayfield. So nothing jumps out at you that way."
"I saw Jones as having the best vision and anticipation of anybody in the draft," Casserly said. "But Haskins gave you the cannon arm to make the 'Wow' throw. My biggest question when I saw (Jones) live at the (Senior Bowl) was arm strength. But people who've seen him more than I have said 'The arm is fine.'"
Of course, a "fine" arm, no "elite" traits and no skill that jumps out at you is exactly why so many outside the NFL thought he was a reach at No. 6. But again, enough teams seemed to like enough about Jones, that it would've been a big risk for the Giants to wait.
"I agree with Dave Gettleman, if they don't take him as high as they did, I don't think he's there (at 17)," Miller said. "There's no guarantee that other teams leapfrog and say 'Hey, he just made it through the Giants, let's get up there ahead of the Giants (next pick). Hey, look what happened to Arizona (in 2017). They wanted Patrick Mahomes, then Kansas CIty jumps all the way up from 24 into the Top 10 and then you're left holding the bag. That happens too many times in the NFL."
"You can't mess around with the quarterback," said the NFC executive. "If you like him, take him. We all understand that."
Inside the NFL, sure they do. Outside the NFL, especially in New York, the selection of Jones remains a lightning rod for a fan base that seems conflicted. There were constant cries the last few years for the Giants to replace Manning. Then they draft his replacement, and the cries became about how they drafted the wrong guy at the wrong spot.
An outstanding spring and a strong start to the summer won't be enough to quiet them, either. Remember, when the Giants traded up for Manning in 2004 the deal was relatively well-received by the fan base, but four years into his career there were still many who were trying to run him out of town.
So for some, it won't matter that NFL people believe Jones will be a successful NFL quarterback until he actually becomes one.
"The criticism of this pick is incredible," the scout said. "No one thinks it was a big mistake. I don't know what the fans are thinking. What did he do to deserve getting booed?"
"Look, they booed Donovan McNabb (in Philadelphia) and they booed Mario Williams (in Houston), and both of them turned out pretty good," Casserly added. "So getting booed isn't a bad thing now. You don't want to be booed about three years into this, but getting booed at draft time? That's not all bad."
Good thing the NFL has never been wrong on an QB prospect. |
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Post by GameTime on Aug 1, 2019 13:22:28 GMT -5
NFL sources say Giants' selection of Daniel Jones was well received within league circles
'We all liked this kid. He's not an all-time great prospect, but he's a good one'
By Ralph Vacchiano | 9:30AM
EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. - There were boos on draft night when the Giants picked Daniel Jones sixth overall, and he was booed when he threw out the first pitch at Yankee Stadium a few weeks later. He was considered a reach pick by many, a symbol of a desperate, lost franchise, and proof that their embattled general manager didn't have a clue.
All that, though, was coming from outside of the NFL.
Inside the NFL, Jones -- and the Giants' decision to pick him as high as they did -- was viewed a heck of a lot better than that.
"He had a lot of sponsors throughout the league. People thought he was going to be a good player," said Daniel Jeremiah, a former NFL scout and current analyst with NFL Network. "Teams said he's got a lot of ability and thought he got unfairly beat up through the process."
"In terms of league coaches and GMs around the NFL, they liked Daniel Jones every bit as much as the Giants did."
"I got that sense as well," added former NFL quarterback Jim Miller, host of 'Movin' the Chains' on SiriusXM NFL Radio. "In terms of league coaches and GMs around the NFL, they liked Daniel Jones every bit as much as the Giants did."
That may be hard for fans and some members of the media to believe, but it's a sentiment echoed by multiple sources around the NFL in conversations with SNY. Heading into the NFL draft back in April, it was clear that Oklahoma quarterback Kyler Murray was going to the Arizona Cardinals at No. 1, but there was no clear consensus on who should be the next quarterback off the board.
Ohio State's Dwayne Haskins and Missouri's Drew Lock both had strong supporters. But so did Jones.
In fact, multiple sources confirmed that several teams considered Jones the next best quarterback in the draft and some considered him a Top-10 pick -- a fact which would seem to confirm the Giants' belief that Jones would not have still been available for them to select with their second first round draft pick -- 17th overall. The Giants believed that the Denver Broncos (at 10) and the Washington Redskins (at 15) were poised to take Jones, and that another team might try to jump up and grab him too.
It's impossible to know for sure whether that would have happened. But two pre-draft polls of NFL general managers - one taken by SiriusXM NFL radio and one by NFL Network analyst Charley Casserly -- strongly suggest Jones was unlikely to get out of the Top 15.
"Every GM had it listed differently," said Miller, who conducted the poll with his co-host, former NFL executive Pat Kirwan. "For some on the list, Kyler Murray was 1. For others on the list, Dwayne Haskins was 1.
"But there were teams that had Daniel Jones as their No. 1."
"Murray was No. 1 (in my poll)," Casserly added. "But Jones and Haskins were basically tied at 2. Flip of the coin. And that's from talking to 25 teams. Twenty-five teams told me is that it was a dead heat."
So when the Giants took Jones at 6, it may have caused fans to scream in agony and throw things at their TVs, and it may have caused the media to tear in to Gettleman, but few around the NFL considered it a "reach".
"I'm sure some teams thought it was high, but nobody thought it was crazy," said one NFC executive. "We all liked this kid. He's not an all-time great prospect, but he's a good one. And (the Giants) needed a quarterback, too. It made perfect sense. I don't understand the hits (Gettleman) is taking."
"Look, if you have a need at that position and you like a guy, you don't play roulette and hope he's there at 17 when you're picking 6," Jeremiah added. "If you take a quarterback at 6 or 17 and you miss, a lot of people are going to lose their jobs anyway. So you might as well take the one you really want, rather than let someone else make that decision for you."
The Giants, of course, seemed to know all that, which has only infuriated their critics who remain upset with the pick. Eyes seem to roll every time Giants coach Pat Shurmur says that Jones has "exceeded expectations" or that "We really haven't seen anything that he can't do." It even sounded arrogant when camp opened and Shurmur said "We had more of the information about Daniel Jones than some of the people that covered him. We're less surprised about things than maybe some other people are."
But he's right.
"This kid has talent," said an NFC scout. "He's got a good-enough arm, all the intangibles, and the perfect temperament for New York. Fans who saw a couple of highlights and listened to some (person) on the radio may think this was a terrible pick. But no one around the league does."
"I think he will be a starter in the league," said Jeremiah, who ranked him as the 32nd best player in the draft. "He's got a shot to be a solid, steady player. I didn't peg him as somebody that had the upside to be a Top 5, maybe not even a Top 10. But he's somebody that if you build the right team around him, he's a Top 10-15 quarterback and you can win a bunch of games."
None of that is to suggest Jones is a flawless prospect or that people around the NFL think he's destined for greatness. In fact, there does seem to be one consistent issue people around the NFL seem to have with him: He does everything good, but nothing that's necessarily great. Murray had the elite athleticism that made him a unique weapon. Haskins and Lock had cannon arms that made scouts drool.
Jones was a lot like a young Eli Manning during his days at Ole Miss - solid, but not necessarily spectacular in any particular way.
"I don't think he has just one elite, rare trait," Jeremiah said. "He's got great size but he doesn't have an overpowering arm. He's a really good athlete, but he's not uniquely special in that area. And personality-wise, he doesn't have that take-over-the-room charisma that some guys have had, like a Baker Mayfield. So nothing jumps out at you that way."
"I saw Jones as having the best vision and anticipation of anybody in the draft," Casserly said. "But Haskins gave you the cannon arm to make the 'Wow' throw. My biggest question when I saw (Jones) live at the (Senior Bowl) was arm strength. But people who've seen him more than I have said 'The arm is fine.'"
Of course, a "fine" arm, no "elite" traits and no skill that jumps out at you is exactly why so many outside the NFL thought he was a reach at No. 6. But again, enough teams seemed to like enough about Jones, that it would've been a big risk for the Giants to wait.
"I agree with Dave Gettleman, if they don't take him as high as they did, I don't think he's there (at 17)," Miller said. "There's no guarantee that other teams leapfrog and say 'Hey, he just made it through the Giants, let's get up there ahead of the Giants (next pick). Hey, look what happened to Arizona (in 2017). They wanted Patrick Mahomes, then Kansas CIty jumps all the way up from 24 into the Top 10 and then you're left holding the bag. That happens too many times in the NFL."
"You can't mess around with the quarterback," said the NFC executive. "If you like him, take him. We all understand that."
Inside the NFL, sure they do. Outside the NFL, especially in New York, the selection of Jones remains a lightning rod for a fan base that seems conflicted. There were constant cries the last few years for the Giants to replace Manning. Then they draft his replacement, and the cries became about how they drafted the wrong guy at the wrong spot.
An outstanding spring and a strong start to the summer won't be enough to quiet them, either. Remember, when the Giants traded up for Manning in 2004 the deal was relatively well-received by the fan base, but four years into his career there were still many who were trying to run him out of town.
So for some, it won't matter that NFL people believe Jones will be a successful NFL quarterback until he actually becomes one.
"The criticism of this pick is incredible," the scout said. "No one thinks it was a big mistake. I don't know what the fans are thinking. What did he do to deserve getting booed?"
"Look, they booed Donovan McNabb (in Philadelphia) and they booed Mario Williams (in Houston), and both of them turned out pretty good," Casserly added. "So getting booed isn't a bad thing now. You don't want to be booed about three years into this, but getting booed at draft time? That's not all bad."
Good thing the NFL has never been wrong on an QB prospect. its better than negative press no? If it was a negative article would your response have been the same? |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 1, 2019 13:25:29 GMT -5
Little odd that he seems way behind Fitzmagic, if the reports are true. He was the guy your research said should have been the Giants choice after Mayfield, wasn't he? He was my #2 QB prospect of that class yes. My 3rd or 4th option for the Giants in that draft. And we could of gotten him for a 2nd round pick this year. Is what it is. |
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Post by piddy283 on Aug 1, 2019 13:25:59 GMT -5
I, for one, did not like the Jones pick. I voiced my opinions multiple times after the draft, and still think my concerns are valid. However, there are things about him I liked as a player, the biggest being him carrying a putrid team on his back. I just didn't like the pick at #6. My preference was to draft Allen, Oliver, or White, then grab our QB next year. The top end QB talent coming out of college next year looks to be deep.
That said, it's apparent the Giants weren't the only team who liked Jones. The further we get into the off-season, the more reports we continue to see mention the fact other teams thought highly of him. These are unbiased reports from unbiased reporters. To claim we should've waited until #17 to draft Jones, is no longer an argument in my opinion.
So far, I like what I've heard about Jones. I still think his arm strength will be an issue for certain throws, but I think it's good enough. I also like his maturity to handle the NY media, and his overall athleticism for the position. If our FO doesn't lose their minds for nearly a decade like the last regime, and continues to build a solid team around him, I can see Jones having success in this league.
As I've mentioned many times, I'll gladly eat crow if I was wrong about the Jones pick. I hope I am. I'll be pulling for him like I would any Giant player, and hope he turns some heads. It'll also be nice to hear all the talking heads eat their words, and back track on how they never really thought Jones was as bad as fans mad him out to be.
Go GMen!
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Post by Delicreep on Aug 1, 2019 13:33:12 GMT -5
Little odd that he seems way behind Fitzmagic, if the reports are true. He was the guy your research said should have been the Giants choice after Mayfield, wasn't he? He was my #2 QB prospect of that class yes. My 3rd or 4th option for the Giants in that draft. And we could of gotten him for a 2nd round pick this year. Is what it is. My point was about last years epic draft class, one of whom is on his second team and is struggling to beat out a career journeyman. |
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 1, 2019 13:34:34 GMT -5
So they are saying he wont be as bad as the immediate media / fan reaction was, but he wont be great. Yay! Mediocre expectations! I expect him to be great. Taken at 6. In between 2 great propect QB classes. When does a QB come out that everyone agrees will be "great"? Not often |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 1, 2019 13:40:03 GMT -5
He was my #2 QB prospect of that class yes. My 3rd or 4th option for the Giants in that draft. And we could of gotten him for a 2nd round pick this year. Is what it is. My point was about last years epic draft class, one of whom is on his second team and is struggling to beat out a career journeyman. Ok, means nothing though. 2nd team? Like that's his fault? Aaron Rodgers would have failed with Arizona last year with all the turmoil if it was his rookie year. They fired the OC mid season, had the worst OL in the NFL and no weapons, and then fired the HC after 1 season. And he could struggle with a brand new team coaches and players the following year. Rosen is still very young and learning. And the way he is being treated is certainly damaging his career path. It's not a very high percentage of success when this happens to any rookie QB. I'm not giving up on his potential yet but being in Arizona and now Miami doesnt make me warm and fuzzy about him developing into a good QB. Rookie QBs need a good stable organization and solid environment. Some thing Rosen hasn't had. Imagine the Patriots drafted him and he is behind Brady for a year or 2, and has Belichick as his HC for 10 years... |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 1, 2019 13:41:21 GMT -5
So they are saying he wont be as bad as the immediate media / fan reaction was, but he wont be great. Yay! Mediocre expectations! I expect him to be great. Taken at 6. In between 2 great propect QB classes. When does a QB come out that everyone agrees will be "great"? Not often I agree. Peyton Manning? Matt Ryan? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 13:41:36 GMT -5
Awesome another article trying to say the Giants didn't reach selecting him instead of Allen...
When will this ever end?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 13:42:32 GMT -5
When does a QB come out that everyone agrees will be "great"? Not often I agree. Peyton Manning? Matt Ryan? Luck was also. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 13:42:37 GMT -5
I, for one, did not like the Jones pick. I voiced my opinions multiple times after the draft, and still think my concerns are valid. However, there are things about him I liked as a player, the biggest being him carrying a putrid team on his back. I just didn't like the pick at #6. My preference was to draft Allen, Oliver, or White, then grab our QB next year. The top end QB talent coming out of college next year looks to be deep. That said, it's apparent the Giants weren't the only team who liked Jones. The further we get into the off-season, the more reports we continue to see mention the fact other teams thought highly of him. These are unbiased reports from unbiased reporters. To claim we should've waited until #17 to draft Jones, is no longer an argument in my opinion. So far, I like what I've heard about Jones. I still think his arm strength will be an issue for certain throws, but I think it's good enough. I also like his maturity to handle the NY media, and his overall athleticism for the position. If our FO doesn't lose their minds for nearly a decade like the last regime, and continues to build a solid team around him, I can see Jones having success in this league. As I've mentioned many times, I'll gladly eat crow if I was wrong about the Jones pick. I hope I am. I'll be pulling for him like I would any Giant player, and hope he turns some heads. It'll also be nice to hear all the talking heads eat their words, and back track on how they never really thought Jones was as bad as fans mad him out to be. Go GMen! no sir its locked in , you booed the pick and thought eli would play for years to come. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 13:43:53 GMT -5
My point was about last years epic draft class, one of whom is on his second team and is struggling to beat out a career journeyman. Ok, means nothing though. 2nd team? Like that's his fault? Aaron Rodgers would have failed with Arizona last year with all the turmoil if it was his rookie year. They fired the OC mid season, had the worst OL in the NFL and no weapons, and then fired the HC after 1 season. And he could struggle with a brand new team coaches and players the following year. Rosen is still very young and learning. And the way he is being treated is certainly damaging his career path. It's not a very high percentage of success when this happens to any rookie QB. I'm not giving up on his potential yet but being in Arizona and now Miami doesnt make me warm and fuzzy about him developing into a good QB. Rookie QBs need a good stable organization and solid environment. Some thing Rosen hasn't had. Some QB named Farve was also traded the year after being drafted and I think it worked out just fine for him so maybe Rosen will flourish moving forward... |
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Post by Delicreep on Aug 1, 2019 13:50:10 GMT -5
My point was about last years epic draft class, one of whom is on his second team and is struggling to beat out a career journeyman. Ok, means nothing though. 2nd team? Like that's his fault? Aaron Rodgers would have failed with Arizona last year with all the turmoil if it was his rookie year. They fired the OC mid season, had the worst OL in the NFL and no weapons, and then fired the HC after 1 season. And he could struggle with a brand new team coaches and players the following year. Rosen is still very young and learning. And the way he is being treated is certainly damaging his career path. It's not a very high percentage of success when this happens to any rookie QB. I'm not giving up on his potential yet but being in Arizona and now Miami doesnt make me warm and fuzzy about him developing into a good QB. Rookie QBs need a good stable organization and solid environment. Some thing Rosen hasn't had. Imagine the Patriots drafted him and he is behind Brady for a year or 2, and has Belichick as his HC for 10 years... So it's not that the experts including yourself were wrong (because we know that never happens) it's just that he wasn't given the right chance. So all the experts are right, even if he flames out of the league in 3 years Pats could have taken him in during the draft as well as every other team...yet they didn't |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 1, 2019 13:53:17 GMT -5
Ok, means nothing though. 2nd team? Like that's his fault? Aaron Rodgers would have failed with Arizona last year with all the turmoil if it was his rookie year. They fired the OC mid season, had the worst OL in the NFL and no weapons, and then fired the HC after 1 season. And he could struggle with a brand new team coaches and players the following year. Rosen is still very young and learning. And the way he is being treated is certainly damaging his career path. It's not a very high percentage of success when this happens to any rookie QB. I'm not giving up on his potential yet but being in Arizona and now Miami doesnt make me warm and fuzzy about him developing into a good QB. Rookie QBs need a good stable organization and solid environment. Some thing Rosen hasn't had. Imagine the Patriots drafted him and he is behind Brady for a year or 2, and has Belichick as his HC for 10 years... So it's not that the experts including yourself were wrong (because we know that never happens) it's just that he wasn't given the right chance. So all the experts are right, even if he flames out of the league in 3 years Pats could have taken him in during the draft as well as every other team...yet they didn't Not saying that. Maybe he does suck and will continue to suck. My point was, he had the deck stacked against him from day 1. Even you will admit that no? |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 1, 2019 13:55:38 GMT -5
Ok, means nothing though. 2nd team? Like that's his fault? Aaron Rodgers would have failed with Arizona last year with all the turmoil if it was his rookie year. They fired the OC mid season, had the worst OL in the NFL and no weapons, and then fired the HC after 1 season. And he could struggle with a brand new team coaches and players the following year. Rosen is still very young and learning. And the way he is being treated is certainly damaging his career path. It's not a very high percentage of success when this happens to any rookie QB. I'm not giving up on his potential yet but being in Arizona and now Miami doesnt make me warm and fuzzy about him developing into a good QB. Rookie QBs need a good stable organization and solid environment. Some thing Rosen hasn't had. Some QB named Farve was also traded the year after being drafted and I think it worked out just fine for him so maybe Rosen will flourish moving forward... Different circumstances but yeah, it worked. Farve is also one of the all time great HOF QBs. I dont think Rosen in a perfect situation would be that good. |
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