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Post by piddy283 on Aug 1, 2019 21:14:49 GMT -5
I do think Eli plays his best ball in years, and the thought of extending his contract is entertained. This was based on the assumption we remain relatively healthy, which is already off to a rocky start. You think Eli, nearing 39 years old, with no #1 (and #2?) WR at his disposal, will play his best ball in years? The assumption was we'd stay healthy, which I said was off to a tough start. Tate likely out for the 1st quarter, and Shep potentially missing a game or two, is not ideal. If they were healthy/eligible, I think Eli would play his best ball in years.
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Post by piddy283 on Aug 1, 2019 21:16:56 GMT -5
I do think Eli plays his best ball in years, and the thought of extending his contract is entertained. This was based on the assumption we remain relatively healthy, which is already off to a rocky start. you dont get to give it to naysayers about jones when you were one of them . it would be like me saying i told you eli was going to win a sb when i thought he wouldnt . now i ,like what you said about eating crow . a real man eats crow . most around here will act like they never said such a thing or act as if they loved the pick all along . I'm not following
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Post by DandyDon on Aug 1, 2019 21:28:52 GMT -5
You know what also would be so Eli? The first play of the season being a screen pass to SQB only to get intercepted by a LB for a TD. The sad thing is that would make some peeps here happy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 21:36:38 GMT -5
You think Eli, nearing 39 years old, with no #1 (and #2?) WR at his disposal, will play his best ball in years? The assumption was we'd stay healthy, which I said was off to a tough start. Tate likely out for the 1st quarter, and Shep potentially missing a game or two, is not ideal. If they were healthy/eligible, I think Eli would play his best ball in years. . I still think he can do this. We possibly have the best offensive line since 2008 and Barkley. Watch even with no name receivers and all time talented rb, teams will still respect our passing game and play soft zone. Only thing now is that our oline will give our receivers some time to get open in space. This will force teams to blitz and give our receivers even more room to operate in. He’s also throwing the ball much better this year thanks to off season training. The ball is coming out tight and fast. If we stay healthy our offense is going to score a lot of points.
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Post by piddy283 on Aug 1, 2019 21:42:23 GMT -5
The assumption was we'd stay healthy, which I said was off to a tough start. Tate likely out for the 1st quarter, and Shep potentially missing a game or two, is not ideal. If they were healthy/eligible, I think Eli would play his best ball in years. . I still think he can do this. We possibly have the best offensive line since 2008 and Barkley. Watch even with no name receivers and all time talented rb, teams will still respect our passing game and play soft zone. Only thing now is that our oline will give our receivers some time to get open in space. This will force teams to blitz and give our receivers even more room to operate in. He’s also throwing the ball much better this year thanks to off season training. The ball is coming out tight and fast. If we stay healthy our offense is going to score a lot of points. I agree. The improved OL will have a positive effect on the entire team.
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Post by Merlin on Aug 2, 2019 5:49:40 GMT -5
The scouting report on Jones which had him viewed as a lesser prospect hasn't shown to be accurate. Things such as arm strength, deep ball accuracy, and arm talent. Shows us that he was only evaluated on his stats which would make you believe he was sub par withing these abilities.
He hasn't played any NFL games yet so that still has to come. But if his ability was inaccurately scouted. And you reevaluate his scouting report to include these skills as positives instead of negatives. Is he really a lesser prospect than any of the ones who have come out the last 2 drafts?
Especially when IQ, work ethic & Cutcliffe pro ready training were the traits he was said to already excel at. So if he is a big, high IQ, mobile QB, with a strong accurate arm again is he really a lesser prospect?
I am very fascinated by the idea of him exposing the media's laziness on this one. Who also swayed the general public's perception with the lazy analysis that was created on him.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 2, 2019 6:08:43 GMT -5
You know what also would be so Eli? The first play of the season being a screen pass to SQB only to get intercepted by a LB for a TD. The sad thing is that would make some peeps here happy. It wouldnt make anyone happy. It would make some people say "I told you" though.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 2, 2019 6:40:14 GMT -5
The scouting report on Jones which had him viewed as a lesser prospect hasn't shown to be accurate. Things such as arm strength, deep ball accuracy, and arm talent. Shows us that he was only evaluated on his stats which would make you believe he was sub par withing these abilities. He hasn't played any NFL games yet so that still has to come. But if his ability was inaccurately scouted. And you reevaluate his scouting report to include these skills as positives instead of negatives. Is he really a lesser prospect than any of the ones who have come out the last 2 drafts? Especially when IQ, work ethic & Cutcliffe pro ready training were the traits he was said to already excel at. So if he is a big, high IQ, mobile QB, with a strong accurate arm again is he really a lesser prospect? I am very fascinated by the idea of him exposing the media's laziness on this one. Who also swayed the general public's perception with the lazy analysis that was created on him. Good post. I hope like hell that you are right
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 2, 2019 6:41:07 GMT -5
You know what also would be so Eli? The first play of the season being a screen pass to SQB only to get intercepted by a LB for a TD. The sad thing is that would make some peeps here happy. As a fan if thats not what you want how do you come up with the most negative scenario to possibly happen as the first play of the season sad, sounds more like a wish or an I told so fantasy.
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Post by Speedman on Aug 2, 2019 6:57:57 GMT -5
The scouting report on Jones which had him viewed as a lesser prospect hasn't shown to be accurate. Things such as arm strength, deep ball accuracy, and arm talent. Shows us that he was only evaluated on his stats which would make you believe he was sub par withing these abilities. He hasn't played any NFL games yet so that still has to come. But if his ability was inaccurately scouted. And you reevaluate his scouting report to include these skills as positives instead of negatives. Is he really a lesser prospect than any of the ones who have come out the last 2 drafts? Especially when IQ, work ethic & Cutcliffe pro ready training were the traits he was said to already excel at. So if he is a big, high IQ, mobile QB, with a strong accurate arm again is he really a lesser prospect? I am very fascinated by the idea of him exposing the media's laziness on this one. Who also swayed the general public's perception with the lazy analysis that was created on him. My concern with Jones is if he can put enough zip on the ball to throw into tight windows in the nfl. If he can do that he will be better than any of the QB’s that they could have drafted last year.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 7:09:16 GMT -5
The assumption was we'd stay healthy, which I said was off to a tough start. Tate likely out for the 1st quarter, and Shep potentially missing a game or two, is not ideal. If they were healthy/eligible, I think Eli would play his best ball in years. . I still think he can do this. We possibly have the best offensive line since 2008 and Barkley. Watch even with no name receivers and all time talented rb, teams will still respect our passing game and play soft zone. Only thing now is that our oline will give our receivers some time to get open in space. This will force teams to blitz and give our receivers even more room to operate in. He’s also throwing the ball much better this year thanks to off season training. The ball is coming out tight and fast. If we stay healthy our offense is going to score a lot of points. Didn't he do this off season baseball training a few times already? I remember reading about this in the past but the results are what we've witnessed already. Here's to hoping this time will be different!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 7:45:37 GMT -5
. I still think he can do this. We possibly have the best offensive line since 2008 and Barkley. Watch even with no name receivers and all time talented rb, teams will still respect our passing game and play soft zone. Only thing now is that our oline will give our receivers some time to get open in space. This will force teams to blitz and give our receivers even more room to operate in. He’s also throwing the ball much better this year thanks to off season training. The ball is coming out tight and fast. If we stay healthy our offense is going to score a lot of points. Didn't he do this off season baseball training a few times already? I remember reading about this in the past but the results are what we've witnessed already. Here's to hoping this time will be different! no this was the first year. In this program. He’s always worked his but off in the off season, this was a different type of training. Regardless I don’t put much into it other than hopefully it prevents him from having a dead arm. He has enough strength, problem was the oline. once we got a couple of guys off we started to score points. This year the oline is better, will make Barkley more dangerous and give Eli and his pass catchers more time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 8:00:01 GMT -5
Didn't he do this off season baseball training a few times already? I remember reading about this in the past but the results are what we've witnessed already. Here's to hoping this time will be different! no this was the first year. In this program. He’s always worked his but off in the off season, this was a different type of training. Regardless I don’t put much into it other than hopefully it prevents him from having a dead arm. He has enough strength, problem was the oline. once we got a couple of guys off we started to score points. This year the oline is better, will make Barkley more dangerous and give Eli and his pass catchers more time. It certainly isn't the 1st year he went outside the normal routine to improve his arm strength. Like you said it's all about production which sadly hasn't been enough even with one of the best receivers in the league. I am hoping that Shurmer is better than he has been and provides those schemes to allow them to produce.
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Post by Nite on Aug 2, 2019 8:07:07 GMT -5
The scouting report on Jones which had him viewed as a lesser prospect hasn't shown to be accurate. Things such as arm strength, deep ball accuracy, and arm talent. Shows us that he was only evaluated on his stats which would make you believe he was sub par withing these abilities. He hasn't played any NFL games yet so that still has to come. But if his ability was inaccurately scouted. And you reevaluate his scouting report to include these skills as positives instead of negatives. Is he really a lesser prospect than any of the ones who have come out the last 2 drafts? Especially when IQ, work ethic & Cutcliffe pro ready training were the traits he was said to already excel at. So if he is a big, high IQ, mobile QB, with a strong accurate arm again is he really a lesser prospect? I am very fascinated by the idea of him exposing the media's laziness on this one. Who also swayed the general public's perception with the lazy analysis that was created on him. Good observations. I saw some this too while watching him at Duke
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 2, 2019 8:24:29 GMT -5
The sad thing is that would make some peeps here happy. As a fan if thats not what you want how do you come up with the most negative scenario to possibly happen as the first play of the season sad, sounds more like a wish or an I told so fantasy. Because, uh, it actually happened a few years ago. (Sorry it wasnt a pick 6. my bad) First play of the year: Its not a want or fantasy, its a reality. I want Eli to throw 100 TDs and win his 3rd SB ring. That would make me very happy. But what is going to happen is he is going to struggle (again) and throw many interceptions, some head scratching, and lose his job when the chants of "DJ" start circulating the stadium.
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Post by DandyDon on Aug 2, 2019 8:40:30 GMT -5
As a fan if thats not what you want how do you come up with the most negative scenario to possibly happen as the first play of the season sad, sounds more like a wish or an I told so fantasy. Because, uh, it actually happened a few years ago. (Sorry it wasnt a pick 6. my bad) First play of the year: Its not a want or fantasy, its a reality. I want Eli to throw 100 TDs and win his 3rd SB ring. That would make me very happy. But what is going to happen is he is going to struggle (again) and throw many interceptions, some head scratching, and lose his job when the chants of "DJ" start circulating the stadium. I know, I thought of that play on your original post. Sad about how wilson worked out, pretty sure that was the game he hurt his neck?
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Post by boxcarwillie on Aug 2, 2019 9:44:04 GMT -5
These other QBs had established brand and pizzazz, before even coming to the league. I'll take solid fundamentals and see what rises to the top over time. In fact, there does seem to be one consistent issue people around the NFL seem to have with him: He does everything good, but nothing that's necessarily great. Murray had the elite athleticism that made him a unique weapon. Haskins and Lock had cannon arms that made scouts drool.What's that one great trait that Brady has? Serious, clutch, focused on preparation and winning... the mindset might be the elite trait...? And doesn't Daniel have this too?
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 2, 2019 9:54:26 GMT -5
Because, uh, it actually happened a few years ago. (Sorry it wasnt a pick 6. my bad) First play of the year: Its not a want or fantasy, its a reality. I want Eli to throw 100 TDs and win his 3rd SB ring. That would make me very happy. But what is going to happen is he is going to struggle (again) and throw many interceptions, some head scratching, and lose his job when the chants of "DJ" start circulating the stadium. I know, I thought of that play on your original post. Sad about how wilson worked out, pretty sure that was the game he hurt his neck? What always shocked me on that play was how Eli stared down the back. He made that pick easy. I mean first play of the year. They must have practiced that 1000 times, yet he just stares him down.
Oh well.....spilled milk.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 2, 2019 10:16:22 GMT -5
As a fan if thats not what you want how do you come up with the most negative scenario to possibly happen as the first play of the season sad, sounds more like a wish or an I told so fantasy. Because, uh, it actually happened a few years ago. (Sorry it wasnt a pick 6. my bad) First play of the year: Its not a want or fantasy, its a reality. I want Eli to throw 100 TDs and win his 3rd SB ring. That would make me very happy. But what is going to happen is he is going to struggle (again) and throw many interceptions, some head scratching, and lose his job when the chants of "DJ" start circulating the stadium. The mistake was not throwing the ball away, beatty is supposed to go low and get Ware either on the ground best case or get him to at least use his hands to fend off the low block, that I will admit that is as dumb a throw as you will see the play was busted all he had to do is throw it away, still doesn't mean it will happen again and Wilson have no idea what he was doing either.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Aug 2, 2019 10:25:15 GMT -5
Jordan Raanan ESPN Staff Writer
The Daily Daniel Jones: Two throws sum up his day. First was rolling against his body he fired a strike that hit TE Garrett Dickerson between the numbers. Very next play he drops a 50-yard dime that lands in the hands of RB Paul Perkins for a TD. His teammates were going nuts. Clearly impressed. As Sterling Shepard said on the Michael Kay Show, Jones is "Tearing it up. People sleep on him." He finished 11-of-14 passing on Thursday. Monster day.
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Post by Waybackfan on Aug 2, 2019 10:39:37 GMT -5
I do think Eli plays his best ball in years, and the thought of extending his contract is entertained. This was based on the assumption we remain relatively healthy, which is already off to a rocky start. You think Eli, nearing 39 years old, with no #1 (and #2?) WR at his disposal, will play his best ball in years? Eli will run the ball for 1,000 yards.
He doesn't need guys to catch it.
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Post by soflo on Aug 2, 2019 11:31:27 GMT -5
So they are saying he wont be as bad as the immediate media / fan reaction was, but he wont be great. Yay! Mediocre expectations! I expect him to be great. Taken at 6. In between 2 great propect QB classes. I don't think they were saying mediocre. I think they were saying that he had a career that flew under the radar. It's easy to think why that can be construed as an endorsement of mediocrity because pretty much everyone's construed it that way.
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Post by soflo on Aug 2, 2019 11:45:48 GMT -5
You think Eli, nearing 39 years old, with no #1 (and #2?) WR at his disposal, will play his best ball in years? The assumption was we'd stay healthy, which I said was off to a tough start. Tate likely out for the 1st quarter, and Shep potentially missing a game or two, is not ideal. If they were healthy/eligible, I think Eli would play his best ball in years. Unfortunately, we've added depth this off season at every other position except the one position we can't afford to lose anybody at.
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Post by soflo on Aug 2, 2019 11:47:30 GMT -5
Because, uh, it actually happened a few years ago. (Sorry it wasnt a pick 6. my bad) First play of the year: Its not a want or fantasy, its a reality. I want Eli to throw 100 TDs and win his 3rd SB ring. That would make me very happy. But what is going to happen is he is going to struggle (again) and throw many interceptions, some head scratching, and lose his job when the chants of "DJ" start circulating the stadium. The mistake was not throwing the ball away, beatty is supposed to go low and get Ware either on the ground best case or get him to at least use his hands to fend off the low block, that I will admit that is as dumb a throw as you will see the play was busted all he had to do is throw it away, still doesn't mean it will happen again and Wilson have no idea what he was doing either. Was that 2013? That year should be the one year Eli deserved a mulligan. Also, notice how David Wilson failed to pick up Ware and then just slipped into the underneath coverage to wait for the pass. The Giants picking Wilson, to me, was the first visibile sign that the Giants were doing something wrong. He was basically just a good runner and could do nothing else correct.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 2, 2019 12:22:15 GMT -5
The mistake was not throwing the ball away, beatty is supposed to go low and get Ware either on the ground best case or get him to at least use his hands to fend off the low block, that I will admit that is as dumb a throw as you will see the play was busted all he had to do is throw it away, still doesn't mean it will happen again and Wilson have no idea what he was doing either. Was that 2013? That year should be the one year Eli deserved a mulligan. Also, notice how David Wilson failed to pick up Ware and then just slipped into the underneath coverage to wait for the pass. The Giants picking Wilson, to me, was the first visibile sign that the Giants were doing something wrong. He was basically just a good runner and could do nothing else correct. I think he did the right thing Beatty had a terrible year that year his job was to get Ware on the ground by cutting or at least get his hands down, I thought that was the case and when it was broken down by Ohara or Diehl that confirmed it if Wilson engages and Beatty does what he is supposed to do it's a penalty can't engage on a double team high and low, to me beatty screwed the pooch on his assignment and Eli should have known better bad decision, it happens Russel Wilson lost asuperbowl on a similar play.
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Post by Zimonami on Aug 2, 2019 12:28:06 GMT -5
After Fbomb reads this he will be patting himself on the back so much he’ll get tennis elbow. I'm more interested in his brand. lol... admirable restraint. Yeah, his brand... milk and cookies; tomato soup and grilled cheese sandwiches. Nabisco and Campbell's would be his perfect sponsors. Isn't it time for the athlete's to wear sponsor patches on their helmets, like NASCAR driver's have?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 2, 2019 12:38:56 GMT -5
So, we are blaming Beatty and Wilson on that interception.... See.... Never changes.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 2, 2019 12:58:41 GMT -5
So it begins....
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Post by TEM on Aug 2, 2019 13:18:37 GMT -5
I would rather draft a QB that has as Quoted
"In fact, there does seem to be one consistent issue people around the NFL seem to have with him: He does everything good, but nothing that's necessarily great."
That line tells me . He has the skills. Not one, not two. The complete set. It might be rough around the edges but lacking he is not.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 14:02:19 GMT -5
Good thing the NFL has never been wrong on an QB prospect.
Exactly. I'd rather put my faith in the talking heads or better yet; the fans. That's the kind of knowledge I'm after.
Never said anything about fans or talking heads. Just that the “experts” in the NFL FOs miss as much as they hit. Unless you think otherwise? I’m sure you do.
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