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Post by Delicreep on Aug 1, 2019 14:03:53 GMT -5
So it's not that the experts including yourself were wrong (because we know that never happens) it's just that he wasn't given the right chance. So all the experts are right, even if he flames out of the league in 3 years Pats could have taken him in during the draft as well as every other team...yet they didn't Not saying that. Maybe he does suck and will continue to suck. My point was, he had the deck stacked against him from day 1. Even you will admit that no? Are you saying you think Mayfield would have bombed out in less than 1 year? I do not.
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 1, 2019 14:07:17 GMT -5
Good thing the NFL has never been wrong on an QB prospect.
Exactly. I'd rather put my faith in the talking heads or better yet; the fans. That's the kind of knowledge I'm after.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 1, 2019 14:09:32 GMT -5
These other QBs had established brand and pizzazz, before even coming to the league. I'll take solid fundamentals and see what rises to the top over time. In fact, there does seem to be one consistent issue people around the NFL seem to have with him: He does everything good, but nothing that's necessarily great. Murray had the elite athleticism that made him a unique weapon. Haskins and Lock had cannon arms that made scouts drool.What's that one great trait that Brady has? See my post above you Could also be applied to Brees and Montana
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Post by jimmieray on Aug 1, 2019 14:14:48 GMT -5
Good thing the NFL has never been wrong on an QB prospect.
Exactly. I'd rather put my faith in the talking heads or better yet; the fans. That's the kind of knowledge I'm after.
You must feel so fulfilled, to have assembled this cauldron of knowledge to wet your thirst.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 1, 2019 14:28:45 GMT -5
so the kid has some skills....
oh boy what a revelation...
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 1, 2019 14:38:21 GMT -5
These other QBs had established brand and pizzazz, before even coming to the league. I'll take solid fundamentals and see what rises to the top over time. In fact, there does seem to be one consistent issue people around the NFL seem to have with him: He does everything good, but nothing that's necessarily great. Murray had the elite athleticism that made him a unique weapon. Haskins and Lock had cannon arms that made scouts drool.What's that one great trait that Brady has?
That's easy. He knew how to pick the right coach.
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Post by piddy283 on Aug 1, 2019 14:40:46 GMT -5
I, for one, did not like the Jones pick. I voiced my opinions multiple times after the draft, and still think my concerns are valid. However, there are things about him I liked as a player, the biggest being him carrying a putrid team on his back. I just didn't like the pick at #6. My preference was to draft Allen, Oliver, or White, then grab our QB next year. The top end QB talent coming out of college next year looks to be deep. That said, it's apparent the Giants weren't the only team who liked Jones. The further we get into the off-season, the more reports we continue to see mention the fact other teams thought highly of him. These are unbiased reports from unbiased reporters. To claim we should've waited until #17 to draft Jones, is no longer an argument in my opinion. So far, I like what I've heard about Jones. I still think his arm strength will be an issue for certain throws, but I think it's good enough. I also like his maturity to handle the NY media, and his overall athleticism for the position. If our FO doesn't lose their minds for nearly a decade like the last regime, and continues to build a solid team around him, I can see Jones having success in this league. As I've mentioned many times, I'll gladly eat crow if I was wrong about the Jones pick. I hope I am. I'll be pulling for him like I would any Giant player, and hope he turns some heads. It'll also be nice to hear all the talking heads eat their words, and back track on how they never really thought Jones was as bad as fans mad him out to be. Go GMen! no sir its locked in , you booed the pick and thought eli would play for years to come. I do think Eli plays his best ball in years, and the thought of extending his contract is entertained. This was based on the assumption we remain relatively healthy, which is already off to a rocky start.
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 1, 2019 14:46:51 GMT -5
Exactly. I'd rather put my faith in the talking heads or better yet; the fans. That's the kind of knowledge I'm after.
You must feel so fulfilled, to have assembled this cauldron of knowledge to wet your thirst.
I really go for the doomsayers. I mean who doesn't love that defeatist mentality? The very idea that our guys will get it wrong - and we'll lose again. There's nothing quite like it.
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Post by jimmieray on Aug 1, 2019 14:56:33 GMT -5
You must feel so fulfilled, to have assembled this cauldron of knowledge to wet your thirst.
I really go for the doomsayers. I mean who doesn't love that defeatist mentality? The very idea that our guys will get it wrong - and we'll lose again. There's nothing quite like it.
I like the variety, I'd have no material without it. Best forum I've been on, by far.
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Post by Waybackfan on Aug 1, 2019 15:05:49 GMT -5
How do you know if you have a winner?
When he wins.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 15:06:01 GMT -5
no sir its locked in , you booed the pick and thought eli would play for years to come. I do think Eli plays his best ball in years, and the thought of extending his contract is entertained. This was based on the assumption we remain relatively healthy, which is already off to a rocky start. you dont get to give it to naysayers about jones when you were one of them . it would be like me saying i told you eli was going to win a sb when i thought he wouldnt . now i ,like what you said about eating crow . a real man eats crow . most around here will act like they never said such a thing or act as if they loved the pick all along .
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 1, 2019 15:11:12 GMT -5
Good thing the NFL has never been wrong on an QB prospect. its better than negative press no? If it was a negative article would your response have been the same? Absolutely, but the DG haters in the house will pick on any negative they can find, I will wait and see Jones has some pretty good traits anticipation is one of the most important traits and he has it, brady came in with a wet noodle for an arm same with Brees and Goff most recently, arm strength can be increased anticipation you either have it or don't.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 15:14:46 GMT -5
so the kid has some skills.... oh boy what a revelation... you must embrace jones he is the future. Eli is yesterdays news .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 15:22:56 GMT -5
Ok, means nothing though. 2nd team? Like that's his fault? Aaron Rodgers would have failed with Arizona last year with all the turmoil if it was his rookie year. They fired the OC mid season, had the worst OL in the NFL and no weapons, and then fired the HC after 1 season. And he could struggle with a brand new team coaches and players the following year. Rosen is still very young and learning. And the way he is being treated is certainly damaging his career path. It's not a very high percentage of success when this happens to any rookie QB. I'm not giving up on his potential yet but being in Arizona and now Miami doesnt make me warm and fuzzy about him developing into a good QB. Rookie QBs need a good stable organization and solid environment. Some thing Rosen hasn't had. Some QB named Farve was also traded the year after being drafted and I think it worked out just fine for him so maybe Rosen will flourish moving forward... Or maybe he sucks.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 1, 2019 15:23:20 GMT -5
My point was about last years epic draft class, one of whom is on his second team and is struggling to beat out a career journeyman. Ok, means nothing though. 2nd team? Like that's his fault? Aaron Rodgers would have failed with Arizona last year with all the turmoil if it was his rookie year. They fired the OC mid season, had the worst OL in the NFL and no weapons, and then fired the HC after 1 season. And he could struggle with a brand new team coaches and players the following year. Rosen is still very young and learning. And the way he is being treated is certainly damaging his career path. It's not a very high percentage of success when this happens to any rookie QB. I'm not giving up on his potential yet but being in Arizona and now Miami doesnt make me warm and fuzzy about him developing into a good QB. Rookie QBs need a good stable organization and solid environment. Some thing Rosen hasn't had. Imagine the Patriots drafted him and he is behind Brady for a year or 2, and has Belichick as his HC for 10 years... I think the Pats are gonna be happy with Stidham kid was held back in the Georgia Offense he has the arm accuracy and mobility, that said a bad franchise in termoil can wreck any young QB no matter how much talent, David Carr had talent but Huston couldn't build an OL, young QB need good OL play they hold it a little longer just how it is.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 15:24:36 GMT -5
Some QB named Farve was also traded the year after being drafted and I think it worked out just fine for him so maybe Rosen will flourish moving forward... Or maybe he sucks. maybe but you know who doesnt suck , josh allen scored 5 tds is last game
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 1, 2019 15:35:21 GMT -5
no sir its locked in , you booed the pick and thought eli would play for years to come. I do think Eli plays his best ball in years, and the thought of extending his contract is entertained. This was based on the assumption we remain relatively healthy, which is already off to a rocky start. You think Eli, nearing 39 years old, with no #1 (and #2?) WR at his disposal, will play his best ball in years?
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Post by snyder55 on Aug 1, 2019 15:38:21 GMT -5
the way I see it, it won't matter how high a player is drafted and what his reputation was in college, if he proves himself in the pros it was a smart pick but he has to prove it...
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Post by lasion2 on Aug 1, 2019 15:45:09 GMT -5
I do think Eli plays his best ball in years, and the thought of extending his contract is entertained. This was based on the assumption we remain relatively healthy, which is already off to a rocky start.  You think Eli, nearing 39 years old, with no #1 (and #2?) WR at his disposal, will play his best ball in years? I actually do. Which; A) isn’t saying much B) in no way means he should or would get extended
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Post by Delicreep on Aug 1, 2019 15:51:27 GMT -5
maybe but you know who doesnt suck , josh allen scored 5 tds is last game How does this work? When Eli does well at the end of the season it's because the other team was eliminated already or there was a back up and the TD's mean nothing, but Allen scores a bunch of TD's against the hapless, eliminated Fins and it shows he's great?
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Post by coughlinscorner on Aug 1, 2019 15:53:29 GMT -5
I do think Eli plays his best ball in years, and the thought of extending his contract is entertained. This was based on the assumption we remain relatively healthy, which is already off to a rocky start. you dont get to give it to naysayers about jones when you were one of them . it would be like me saying i told you eli was going to win a sb when i thought he wouldnt . now i ,like what you said about eating crow . a real man eats crow . most around here will act like they never said such a thing or act as if they loved the pick all along . Like Tiki being groomed for the Today show.
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Post by Delicreep on Aug 1, 2019 15:53:42 GMT -5
I do think Eli plays his best ball in years, and the thought of extending his contract is entertained. This was based on the assumption we remain relatively healthy, which is already off to a rocky start. You think Eli, nearing 39 years old, with no #1 (and #2?) WR at his disposal, will play his best ball in years? If I were a bettin' man...and could find someone to take that bet...I would bet against a career year.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 1, 2019 15:55:35 GMT -5
maybe but you know who doesnt suck , josh allen scored 5 tds is last game How does this work? When Eli does well at the end of the season it's because the other team was eliminated already or there was a back up and the TD's mean nothing, but Allen scores a bunch of TD's against the hapless, eliminated Fins and it shows he's great? This dude will drive you batty if you keep responding to him.
Not sure how strange you have to be to get your kicks by saying dumb shit on an NFL team MB just to rile people up, but that's Harooni.
Your life will be much less aggravating if you don't let him draw you in.
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Post by coughlinscorner on Aug 1, 2019 15:58:21 GMT -5
How does this work? When Eli does well at the end of the season it's because the other team was eliminated already or there was a back up and the TD's mean nothing, but Allen scores a bunch of TD's against the hapless, eliminated Fins and it shows he's great? This dude will drive you batty if you keep responding to him.
Not sure how strange you have to be to get your kicks by saying dumb shit on an NFL team MB just to rile people up, but that's Harooni.
Your life will be much less aggravating if you don't let him draw you in.
Completely disagree. One's anger towards Harooni on a message board prevents acts of anger against others in real life. Take it ALL out on him.
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 1, 2019 15:59:05 GMT -5
I do think Eli plays his best ball in years, and the thought of extending his contract is entertained. This was based on the assumption we remain relatively healthy, which is already off to a rocky start. You think Eli, nearing 39 years old, with no #1 (and #2?) WR at his disposal, will play his best ball in years?
That would be so Eli.
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Post by Delicreep on Aug 1, 2019 16:11:09 GMT -5
How does this work? When Eli does well at the end of the season it's because the other team was eliminated already or there was a back up and the TD's mean nothing, but Allen scores a bunch of TD's against the hapless, eliminated Fins and it shows he's great? This dude will drive you batty if you keep responding to him.
Not sure how strange you have to be to get your kicks by saying dumb shit on an NFL team MB just to rile people up, but that's Harooni.
Your life will be much less aggravating if you don't let him draw you in.
I am fascinated by the thought process. I just want to see how he ties that all together with a nice bow.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 1, 2019 17:47:20 GMT -5
so the kid has some skills.... oh boy what a revelation... you must embrace jones he is the future. Eli is yesterdays news . I am a big fan of both, Cant wait to see what Jones has. I just meant the article just saying that Jones was actually liked by others besides the NYGs. I find that to be underwhelming news. Of course other teams liked him. Kids got skills...
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Post by GameTime on Aug 1, 2019 17:50:21 GMT -5
its better than negative press no? If it was a negative article would your response have been the same? Absolutely, but the DG haters in the house will pick on any negative they can find, I will wait and see Jones has some pretty good traits anticipation is one of the most important traits and he has it, brady came in with a wet noodle for an arm same with Brees and Goff most recently, arm strength can be increased anticipation you either have it or don't. the kid will answer the arm strength question in a positive way or he wont. Its all talk and some film up to this point. Lets see what he does in the game. For me....if he doesnt become a successful NFL QB it wont be for a lack of arm strength.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 1, 2019 20:23:38 GMT -5
You think Eli, nearing 39 years old, with no #1 (and #2?) WR at his disposal, will play his best ball in years?
That would be so Eli.
You know what also would be so Eli? The first play of the season being a screen pass to SQB only to get intercepted by a LB for a TD.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 20:38:57 GMT -5
This dude will drive you batty if you keep responding to him.
Not sure how strange you have to be to get your kicks by saying dumb shit on an NFL team MB just to rile people up, but that's Harooni.
Your life will be much less aggravating if you don't let him draw you in.
I am fascinated by the thought process. I just want to see how he ties that all together with a nice bow. i guess everyone just takes you at your word i said that exactly , however one is a rookie and one a 38 year old vet. and i believe Eli threw 2td's and 1 int his last reg season game. while you are right the games have less meaning when teams are eliminated or sat players for the playoffs. it shows a lot of promise for a rookie QB.
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