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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 3, 2019 9:58:08 GMT -5
In between 2 great propect QB classes. The 2020 class hasn't even taken a snap in their final college year yet and you're anointing them a great class? Mean while the 2018 class had one QB booted from his team and replaced by a midget, another QB is being pushed by a kid we sent packing last year and a third "great" that only got to start because the guy that beat him out for the job posted a 0.0 QB rating. Call me crazy but it might be a bit too early to call the 2018 draft class great, especially since the best damn QB in the class was taken before our pick. Just like the last great class by the end of the year there were legit questions about all of them including Mayfield he answered them so far none of the others have yet.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 3, 2019 10:00:54 GMT -5
Another baseless article the first preseason game means squat guess Lock is a guaranteed 4 years in out from what his first preseason game looked like. Didn't you hear. The entire HOF selection and voting process for a QB is based upon how well he does in his 1st preseason game. I don't expect a ton from a rookie early on would love to see them move the ball it would A++++ if he led a scoring drive.
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Post by TEM on Aug 3, 2019 10:04:32 GMT -5
Didn't you hear. The entire HOF selection and voting process for a QB is based upon how well he does in his 1st preseason game. I don't expect a ton from a rookie early on would love to see them move the ball it would A++++ if he led a scoring drive. I expect some welcome to the NFL moments as well as, yeah your going to have to game plan to try to stop me in the future moments.
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Post by snyder55 on Aug 3, 2019 15:09:48 GMT -5
I might. The thing it will come down to is how many reps Jones gets with the 1st team and how good he looks then. Personally, I wouldn't need him to outplay Eli to get the nod, but I don't think the FO will see it that way. Me too. Will the Oline hold up for either QB? For Eli the oline is critical but you have to wonder if behind an average oline will DJ get the experience he needs. I would rather forgo a non memorable season but give DJ experience. He can extend drives with his feet something Eli cannot do. I would think the season might be more exciting with DJ than with Eli and more productive for the long haul. I could be wrong though. I agree, I think if we are going to have a mediocre season and not make the playoffs then I would rather do it with Jones so he gets the reps he needs for next season..
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Post by Jomo on Aug 3, 2019 16:03:38 GMT -5
OK, I was at that game and haven't seen the play since then. The YouTube video is exactly as I remember it.
Eli should have never thrown that ball, very bad decision. Most people forget how far we climbed out of a hole to almost win that game.
Second, Beatty is not to blame.
Third, Wilson did a terrible job there, almost hiding behind Beatty. He didn't want the ball.
Fourth, what you can't see there is if Wilson read the defense and simply ran the route 5 yards to the left, there was 50 yards of open turf in front of him.
In summary,
Bad, bad decision by Eli Terrible, terrible route running by Wilson Could have gone for 7.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 3, 2019 17:30:07 GMT -5
Been thinking Fromm will be really good for a while now, can't wait to see what he does this year. Your assessment about the 2019 class is true of every class, you are lucky if it produces 1 good QB. That is just a statistical fact. A few classes produce 2 good QBs, a few produce zero and 1 ends up being the average. Very rare a class comes along like 2004. My bet would be that just as many successful QBs come from 2019 as from 2018 or 2020. Baker, Jones and Fromm being my guesses. 2004 is definitely a rare year. 3 HOF type QBs? Once every 20 years or so I guess when you think back to 1983s class. So we might be on the verge of another class soon like that. And the way these offenses are run now, I wouldnt doubt it. The only problem is that 83 and 04 were the only classes like that. We could have another soon or it could be another 20 years. I just know that when you need a QB and a kid is there you like then he has to be your choice, you can't pass and hope next year is 1983 again. Time will tell how this will work out.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 3, 2019 17:33:26 GMT -5
2004 is definitely a rare year. 3 HOF type QBs? Once every 20 years or so I guess when you think back to 1983s class. So we might be on the verge of another class soon like that. And the way these offenses are run now, I wouldnt doubt it. The only problem is that 83 and 04 were the only classes like that. We could have another soon or it could be another 20 years. I just know that when you need a QB and a kid is there you like then he has to be your choice, you can't pass and hope next year is 1983 again. Time will tell how this will work out. Still could be Trubisky, Mahomes and Watson
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Post by Fletch842 on Aug 3, 2019 18:13:59 GMT -5
And I'm drinking some Woodford Reserve. Thank you. the best part of the response... my "go to" bourbon we all may argue endlessly about our opinions on our team, but we all seem to agree on Bourbon. Woodford is a great whiskey at its price point, pretty my my go to as well.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 3, 2019 20:10:06 GMT -5
The only problem is that 83 and 04 were the only classes like that. We could have another soon or it could be another 20 years. I just know that when you need a QB and a kid is there you like then he has to be your choice, you can't pass and hope next year is 1983 again. Time will tell how this will work out. Still could be Trubisky, Mahomes and Watson Pretty solid looking class. I think Trubisky will be really good but I am not sold on Watson. IMO they certainly look better than last years class.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 3, 2019 20:38:21 GMT -5
the best part of the response... my "go to" bourbon we all may argue endlessly about our opinions on our team, but we all seem to agree on Bourbon. Woodford is a great whiskey at its price point, pretty my my go to as well. by far the best bang for the buck
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 3, 2019 20:54:05 GMT -5
we all may argue endlessly about our opinions on our team, but we all seem to agree on Bourbon. Woodford is a great whiskey at its price point, pretty my my go to as well. by far the best bang for the buck Ill tell you guys what, if you haven't tried Larceny, it is a pretty solid bourbon bang for your buck type bourbon as well. I love it. A bit on the sweeter side, but great feel overall. And less expensive than most.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 3, 2019 21:05:49 GMT -5
2004 is definitely a rare year. 3 HOF type QBs? Once every 20 years or so I guess when you think back to 1983s class. So we might be on the verge of another class soon like that. And the way these offenses are run now, I wouldnt doubt it. The only problem is that 83 and 04 were the only classes like that. We could have another soon or it could be another 20 years. I just know that when you need a QB and a kid is there you like then he has to be your choice, you can't pass and hope next year is 1983 again. Time will tell how this will work out. Whats crazy about the 04' class is, Matt freaking Schaub is still playing too! 4 QBs from 15 years ago are still active! Further stat: Schaub has a better Completion %, YPA, and TD-INT ratio than Eli.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 3, 2019 22:09:32 GMT -5
The mistake was not throwing the ball away, beatty is supposed to go low and get Ware either on the ground best case or get him to at least use his hands to fend off the low block, that I will admit that is as dumb a throw as you will see the play was busted all he had to do is throw it away, still doesn't mean it will happen again and Wilson have no idea what he was doing either. Was that 2013? That year should be the one year Eli deserved a mulligan. Also, notice how David Wilson failed to pick up Ware and then just slipped into the underneath coverage to wait for the pass. The Giants picking Wilson, to me, was the first visibile sign that the Giants were doing something wrong. He was basically just a good runner and could do nothing else correct. It's a screen pass. You are supposed to let the lineman rush. That's what you do on that play. the problem was that it was easy to read the screen because Eli stared down the RB.
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Post by Martin on Aug 3, 2019 22:42:40 GMT -5
Me too. Will the Oline hold up for either QB? For Eli the oline is critical but you have to wonder if behind an average oline will DJ get the experience he needs. I would rather forgo a non memorable season but give DJ experience. He can extend drives with his feet something Eli cannot do. I would think the season might be more exciting with DJ than with Eli and more productive for the long haul. I could be wrong though. I agree, I think if we are going to have a mediocre season and not make the playoffs then I would rather do it with Jones so he gets the reps he needs for next season.. Lots of respect for Eli great memories for me and the family but if this oline is adequate this rookie should get as much experience as possible and turn the page. The front office probably won't pull the trigger though unless its looking bad for Eli and losses are adding up. I don't believe in wasting time and this season may waste a good amount of time with Eli. Again great respect for EM.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 4, 2019 18:57:01 GMT -5
The only problem is that 83 and 04 were the only classes like that. We could have another soon or it could be another 20 years. I just know that when you need a QB and a kid is there you like then he has to be your choice, you can't pass and hope next year is 1983 again. Time will tell how this will work out. Whats crazy about the 04' class is, Matt freaking Schaub is still playing too! 4 QBs from 15 years ago are still active! Further stat: Schaub has a better Completion %, YPA, and TD-INT ratio than Eli. Yeah Schaub is a pretty decent QB to still be around the league. Sort of like Ken O'Brien was for the 1983 class. He had two Pro Bowls to his name, lead the NFL in passer rating and had a decent career overall. The 1983 class also had 4 QBs start in the Super Bowl. Fun fact Curt Warner was also drafted in 1983. Man those are two great years. Can't wait to judge them side by side a few years down the road. I almost want Rivers to win a Super Bowl.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 4, 2019 22:01:21 GMT -5
OK, I was at that game and haven't seen the play since then. The YouTube video is exactly as I remember it. Eli should have never thrown that ball, very bad decision. Most people forget how far we climbed out of a hole to almost win that game. Second, Beatty is not to blame. Third, Wilson did a terrible job there, almost hiding behind Beatty. He didn't want the ball. Fourth, what you can't see there is if Wilson read the defense and simply ran the route 5 yards to the left, there was 50 yards of open turf in front of him. In summary, Bad, bad decision by Eli Terrible, terrible route running by Wilson Could have gone for 7. your money on all accounts the only thing that I would say is Beatty from what I saw on a few break downs it was a while back but I think Diehl or Ohara said beatty or who ever the LT is should be cutting Ware to get his hands down and or hopefully him down from what I read that was his assignment on that play, Wilson ran a lousy route and Eli should have never thrown the ball he was looking at 2 6'5" trees in his trowing lane, 3 people doing three things they shouldn't have.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 5, 2019 8:26:44 GMT -5
Whats crazy about the 04' class is, Matt freaking Schaub is still playing too! 4 QBs from 15 years ago are still active! Further stat: Schaub has a better Completion %, YPA, and TD-INT ratio than Eli. Yeah Schaub is a pretty decent QB to still be around the league. Sort of like Ken O'Brien was for the 1983 class. He had two Pro Bowls to his name, lead the NFL in passer rating and had a decent career overall. The 1983 class also had 4 QBs start in the Super Bowl. Fun fact Curt Warner was also drafted in 1983. Man those are two great years. Can't wait to judge them side by side a few years down the road. I almost want Rivers to win a Super Bowl. Wrong Curt Warner. He was a tremendous RB from PSU. Tore up his knee in the first non contact injury like that I had ever seen.
That kid could play though.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 5, 2019 10:11:51 GMT -5
Yeah Schaub is a pretty decent QB to still be around the league. Sort of like Ken O'Brien was for the 1983 class. He had two Pro Bowls to his name, lead the NFL in passer rating and had a decent career overall. The 1983 class also had 4 QBs start in the Super Bowl. Fun fact Curt Warner was also drafted in 1983. Man those are two great years. Can't wait to judge them side by side a few years down the road. I almost want Rivers to win a Super Bowl. Wrong Curt Warner. He was a tremendous RB from PSU. Tore up his knee in the first non contact injury like that I had ever seen.
That kid could play though.
Yeah I knew it wasn't Kurt Warner, it was just pretty funny when I noticed it.
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Post by soflo on Aug 6, 2019 10:44:14 GMT -5
Was that 2013? That year should be the one year Eli deserved a mulligan. Also, notice how David Wilson failed to pick up Ware and then just slipped into the underneath coverage to wait for the pass. The Giants picking Wilson, to me, was the first visibile sign that the Giants were doing something wrong. He was basically just a good runner and could do nothing else correct. It's a screen pass. You are supposed to let the lineman rush. That's what you do on that play. the problem was that it was easy to read the screen because Eli stared down the RB. It's possible, but it's hard to say whether or not it was solely designed as a screen pass or as an option, or if Wilson just missed his assignment and then drifted into the next level. Looks like they had two receivers stacked high and no safety help so I have no idea why eli even looked to Wilson in the first place. It's also worth noting how Justin Pugh got bulldozed on that play as well. Dude was the best lineman in a terrible class but never a real cog on the line.
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