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Post by IrishMike on Apr 12, 2021 19:12:15 GMT -5
Because our defensive coordinator literally said "they all kind of blend together in my mind" when asked about our alignment. Now you might be way smarter than me when it comes to football but I'll take Graham over you any day.
If they blend together in his mind they sure as hell blend together in mine as well. "So you say 4-3, 3-4, 2-4, 3-3-5, whatever you want to say, I’ll say yes". Maybe someone should our DC to just look at the center lol.
You really don’t understand football at all. Me or Patrick Graham?
I said the lines are blurred. You disagreed. Patrick Graham said they blend together. So I'm just trying to figure out who you disagree with?
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Post by GameTime on Apr 12, 2021 19:17:30 GMT -5
Do we really run a 3-4? Seems like lines are super blurred in the NFL now. why blurred? Look if the center(0/1 tech) has a player over him. if the center has a defensive player over him is always a 3-4 line up? That alignment cant happen with more than 3 DLs? I am asking because that part of the game is very vague to me. I never took the time to learn it
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 12, 2021 19:27:38 GMT -5
why blurred? Look if the center(0/1 tech) has a player over him. if the center has a defensive player over him is always a 3-4 line up? That alignment cant happen with more than 3 DLs? I am asking because that part of the game is very vague to me. I never took the time to learn it In a 4-3 the DTs usually line up at the 1tech and 3tech with the MIKE shaded (often strong) In a 3-4 the NT is typically at the 0-tech but can shade to the 1. The other DLinemen range from 2-5 tech and on on rare occasion will kick out like the 4-3 DE at the #7 yet has a linebacker fill the large gap b/c the extra lineman is missing. There is a lot more than that but it starts at the center.
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Post by rbe40 on Apr 13, 2021 9:16:59 GMT -5
i like the Idea of waves of guys like we had with Osi Tuck Stra. I have accepted that Judges Philosophy might be more inline with what BB does he survives with good pass rushers when he had a top tear guy in Jones he traded him before he had to pay him. If you have 2 or 3 good versatile guys who can get to the QB and a top tear secondary your gonna win more then you lose on defense. Im fine with a rotation of pass rushers getting to the QB. Our rotation of edge rushers is pretty weak. The issue I am taking up is the false claim that the edge pass rush is unimportant on our defense. It is important. It is very helpful. Getting a great one (or several very god ones) would boost this teams defense tremendously. One pass rusher on the outside who can consistently get to the QB would not only help out the middle DT/DEs pushing, but also the secondary. Big time. In the 4-3 or the 3-4 or a mix. Its honestly sad this needs to be explained to Giants fans. It's honestly sad that we are in Year 4 of this defense and you still clearly understand nothing about it. That's the truly sad part.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 9:47:07 GMT -5
Im fine with a rotation of pass rushers getting to the QB. Our rotation of edge rushers is pretty weak. The issue I am taking up is the false claim that the edge pass rush is unimportant on our defense. It is important. It is very helpful. Getting a great one (or several very god ones) would boost this teams defense tremendously. One pass rusher on the outside who can consistently get to the QB would not only help out the middle DT/DEs pushing, but also the secondary. Big time. In the 4-3 or the 3-4 or a mix. Its honestly sad this needs to be explained to Giants fans. It's honestly sad that we are in Year 4 of this defense and you still clearly understand nothing about it. That's the truly sad part. I feel the same about you and enjoy seeing just how much you think you know with every post you make or thread you start.. Another one to add to the collection.. So thanks for this and we'll see how long these posts last out here since they are getting nuked regularly..
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 13, 2021 9:49:10 GMT -5
It's honestly sad that we are in Year 4 of this defense and you still clearly understand nothing about it. That's the truly sad part. I feel the same about you and enjoy seeing just how much you think you know with every post you make or thread you start.. Another one to add to the collection.. So thanks for this and we'll see how long these posts last out here since they are getting nuked regularly.. This guy is a clown show troll
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Post by rbe40 on Apr 13, 2021 9:54:16 GMT -5
It's honestly sad that we are in Year 4 of this defense and you still clearly understand nothing about it. That's the truly sad part. I feel the same about you and enjoy seeing just how much you think you know with every post you make or thread you start.. Another one to add to the collection.. So thanks for this and we'll see how long these posts last out here since they are getting nuked regularly.. I don't "think" I know...I do know. I literally made this same point THREE years ago. Then over the past 3 years, watched as the Giants clearly devalue OLB while prioritizing IDL, CB, and S. The facts and reality prove me right. Sorry.
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Post by rbe40 on Apr 13, 2021 9:58:58 GMT -5
I feel the same about you and enjoy seeing just how much you think you know with every post you make or thread you start.. Another one to add to the collection.. So thanks for this and we'll see how long these posts last out here since they are getting nuked regularly.. This guy is a clown show troll 3 years ago, I said: Giants will devalue OLB ("edge rusher" in this D) Last 3 years of the Giants FA and Draft process: Giants have devalued OLB while prioritizing IDL, CB, S. So, I was proven right. That makes me an intelligent poster who understands football, understands schemes, and ultimately was 100% right all along. Quite the opposite of a troll. It's easier for you to insult me than to acknowledge "Yeah, you were clearly right all along, and it has been proven" I am right. I am smarter than you. I know more about football than you. You can call me whatever name you want - these facts don't change.
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Post by rbe40 on Apr 13, 2021 10:01:00 GMT -5
It's honestly sad that we are in Year 4 of this defense and you still clearly understand nothing about it. That's the truly sad part. I feel the same about you and enjoy seeing just how much you think you know with every post you make or thread you start.. Another one to add to the collection.. So thanks for this and we'll see how long these posts last out here since they are getting nuked regularly.. Year 4 of this defense and you still don't even understand how the scheme works. Sad.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 10:56:06 GMT -5
I feel the same about you and enjoy seeing just how much you think you know with every post you make or thread you start.. Another one to add to the collection.. So thanks for this and we'll see how long these posts last out here since they are getting nuked regularly.. I don't "think" I know...I do know. I literally made this same point THREE years ago. Then over the past 3 years, watched as the Giants clearly devalue OLB while prioritizing IDL, CB, and S. The facts and reality prove me right. Sorry. Awesome! Thanks again for continuing with your nonsense.. Since you CLAIM to know about LBers.. The Giants devalued them over 10 years ago not just these past 3 years.. "sorry".. lol
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 10:59:22 GMT -5
I feel the same about you and enjoy seeing just how much you think you know with every post you make or thread you start.. Another one to add to the collection.. So thanks for this and we'll see how long these posts last out here since they are getting nuked regularly.. Year 4 of this defense and you still don't even understand how the scheme works. Sad. Another response proving you know nothing about the posters out here so all you have are insults.. Comical..
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Post by rbe40 on Apr 13, 2021 14:57:51 GMT -5
I don't "think" I know...I do know. I literally made this same point THREE years ago. Then over the past 3 years, watched as the Giants clearly devalue OLB while prioritizing IDL, CB, and S. The facts and reality prove me right. Sorry. Awesome! Thanks again for continuing with your nonsense.. Since you CLAIM to know about LBers.. The Giants devalued them over 10 years ago not just these past 3 years.. "sorry".. lol The Giants current defensive scheme devalues outside pass-rushing OLBs. Can you contain and drop into coverage? Markus Golden on 1 year prove-it deal Swap him out Kyler Fackrell on 1 year prove-it deal Swap him out Ryan Anderson on 1 year prove-it deal Swap him out Rinse, repeat. Giants are not drafting an OLB at #11, nor are they prioritizing it for this draft. Meaning, they will enter the 2021 season with Ryan Anderson as their #1 OLB, and are content with it. And they will have a Top 5 Defense this season without a elite OLB pass-rusher. I never said the Giants devalued ILB. They gave Blake Martinez 3 years, $30 million. The point is, among the 5 positional groups of Defense (CB, S, ILB, OLB, IDL)...OLB is far away the least important, least prioritized. OLB is a luxury, not a necesity.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 14, 2021 11:51:07 GMT -5
Awesome! Thanks again for continuing with your nonsense.. Since you CLAIM to know about LBers.. The Giants devalued them over 10 years ago not just these past 3 years.. "sorry".. lol The Giants current defensive scheme devalues outside pass-rushing OLBs. Can you contain and drop into coverage? Markus Golden on 1 year prove-it deal
Swap him out
Kyler Fackrell on 1 year prove-it deal
Swap him out
Ryan Anderson on 1 year prove-it deal
Swap him out
Rinse, repeat. Giants are not drafting an OLB at #11, nor are they prioritizing it for this draft. Meaning, they will enter the 2021 season with Ryan Anderson as their #1 OLB, and are content with it. And they will have a Top 5 Defense this season without a elite OLB pass-rusher. I never said the Giants devalued ILB. They gave Blake Martinez 3 years, $30 million. The point is, among the 5 positional groups of Defense (CB, S, ILB, OLB, IDL)...OLB is far away the least important, least prioritized. OLB is a luxury, not a necesity. I guess you prove your point, with all the winning we have been doing the last 3-4 years... Maybe we should try a different approach to start winning?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 14, 2021 11:51:19 GMT -5
Here is a graph of NY football since 2017 I didnt know where else to drop:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 12:01:39 GMT -5
The Giants current defensive scheme devalues outside pass-rushing OLBs. Can you contain and drop into coverage? Markus Golden on 1 year prove-it deal
Swap him out
Kyler Fackrell on 1 year prove-it deal
Swap him out
Ryan Anderson on 1 year prove-it deal
Swap him out
Rinse, repeat. Giants are not drafting an OLB at #11, nor are they prioritizing it for this draft. Meaning, they will enter the 2021 season with Ryan Anderson as their #1 OLB, and are content with it. And they will have a Top 5 Defense this season without a elite OLB pass-rusher. I never said the Giants devalued ILB. They gave Blake Martinez 3 years, $30 million. The point is, among the 5 positional groups of Defense (CB, S, ILB, OLB, IDL)...OLB is far away the least important, least prioritized. OLB is a luxury, not a necesity. I guess you prove your point, with all the winning we have been doing the last 3-4 years... Maybe we should try a different approach to start winning? Perfect response..
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 14, 2021 12:09:24 GMT -5
Here is a graph of NY football since 2017 I didnt know where else to drop: I'm thankful they're are only 32 teams in the league. Atrocious
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Post by rbe40 on Apr 15, 2021 9:35:42 GMT -5
The Giants current defensive scheme devalues outside pass-rushing OLBs. Can you contain and drop into coverage? Markus Golden on 1 year prove-it deal
Swap him out
Kyler Fackrell on 1 year prove-it deal
Swap him out
Ryan Anderson on 1 year prove-it deal
Swap him out
Rinse, repeat. Giants are not drafting an OLB at #11, nor are they prioritizing it for this draft. Meaning, they will enter the 2021 season with Ryan Anderson as their #1 OLB, and are content with it. And they will have a Top 5 Defense this season without a elite OLB pass-rusher. I never said the Giants devalued ILB. They gave Blake Martinez 3 years, $30 million. The point is, among the 5 positional groups of Defense (CB, S, ILB, OLB, IDL)...OLB is far away the least important, least prioritized. OLB is a luxury, not a necesity. I guess you prove your point, with all the winning we have been doing the last 3-4 years... Maybe we should try a different approach to start winning? You mean, like being better on Offense? What does OLB have to do with Offense?
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Post by rbe40 on Apr 15, 2021 9:36:31 GMT -5
I guess you prove your point, with all the winning we have been doing the last 3-4 years... Maybe we should try a different approach to start winning? Perfect response.. How does an OLB make you better on Offense? The Giants biggest problem is Offense, not defense. Silly response. The Giants D will be a Top 5 unit in 2021. Their #1 OLB is Ryan Anderson.
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Post by rbe40 on Apr 15, 2021 9:43:47 GMT -5
And no, the Giants are NOT drafting EDGE at #11. We can safely rule that out. 100% not happening.
And probably not at #42 either.
Whichever OLB the Giants take in the 2021 Draft, likely in the mid to late rounds, will be the #4 or #5 guy on the depth chart at best.
EDGE is simply not a need for the Giants. They already signed 2 EDGE in FA, Ryan Anderson and the dude from Minnesota. Both FAs will play huge roles in 2021.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 9:57:06 GMT -5
How does an OLB make you better on Offense? The Giants biggest problem is Offense, not defense. Silly response. The Giants D will be a Top 5 unit in 2021. Their #1 OLB is Ryan Anderson.
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Post by jimmieray on Apr 15, 2021 9:59:02 GMT -5
And no, the Giants are NOT drafting EDGE at #11. We can safely rule that out. 100% not happening. And probably not at #42 either. Whichever OLB the Giants take in the 2021 Draft, likely in the mid to late rounds, will be the #4 or #5 guy on the depth chart at best. EDGE is simply not a need for the Giants. They already signed 2 EDGE in FA, Ryan Anderson and the dude from Minnesota. Both FAs will play huge roles in 2021. It's funny when we talk about Edge needs. If we were working with a 4-3 base, Edge would not only be critical, but we would be talking 2 premier players. With this 3-4 base we are currently utilizing, seems many are saying we need AN Edge - which to me means one premier guy. Almost sounds imbalanced, and doesn't address the then weaker side.
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Post by rbe40 on Apr 15, 2021 10:17:48 GMT -5
And no, the Giants are NOT drafting EDGE at #11. We can safely rule that out. 100% not happening. And probably not at #42 either. Whichever OLB the Giants take in the 2021 Draft, likely in the mid to late rounds, will be the #4 or #5 guy on the depth chart at best. EDGE is simply not a need for the Giants. They already signed 2 EDGE in FA, Ryan Anderson and the dude from Minnesota. Both FAs will play huge roles in 2021. It's funny when we talk about Edge needs. If we were working with a 4-3 base, Edge would not only be critical, but we would be talking 2 premier players. With this 3-4 base we are currently utilizing, seems many are saying we need AN Edge - which to me means one premier guy. Almost sounds imbalanced, and doesn't address the then weaker side. They are adding Oshane Ximines, who opted out last year. That's another addition to the EDGE group. Lose: Kyler Fackrell Add: Oshane Ximines, Ryan Anderson, Ifeadi Odenigbo It is simply not a need for this draft. At all.
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Post by jimmieray on Apr 15, 2021 10:52:30 GMT -5
It's funny when we talk about Edge needs. If we were working with a 4-3 base, Edge would not only be critical, but we would be talking 2 premier players. With this 3-4 base we are currently utilizing, seems many are saying we need AN Edge - which to me means one premier guy. Almost sounds imbalanced, and doesn't address the then weaker side. They are adding Oshane Ximines, who opted out last year. That's another addition to the EDGE group. Lose: Kyler Fackrell Add: Oshane Ximines, Ryan Anderson, Ifeadi Odenigbo It is simply not a need for this draft. At all. Agreed, at this time. We will very likely have a top 10 defense and some will still scoff at those names as not an Edge. Maybe in another season we will acquire a beast Edge, the name they do want - and then we'll wind up having to let go a player or two from a different group go.
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 15, 2021 11:44:58 GMT -5
It's funny when we talk about Edge needs. If we were working with a 4-3 base, Edge would not only be critical, but we would be talking 2 premier players. With this 3-4 base we are currently utilizing, seems many are saying we need AN Edge - which to me means one premier guy. Almost sounds imbalanced, and doesn't address the then weaker side. They are adding Oshane Ximines, who opted out last year.That's another addition to the EDGE group. Lose: Kyler Fackrell Add: Oshane Ximines, Ryan Anderson, Ifeadi Odenigbo It is simply not a need for this draft. At all. Ximines played last year. Due to injures he only played in 4 games. It’s easy to mistaken that he opted out, like a Houdini act, he was here one second, and gone the next.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 11:46:34 GMT -5
They are adding Oshane Ximines, who opted out last year.That's another addition to the EDGE group. Lose: Kyler Fackrell Add: Oshane Ximines, Ryan Anderson, Ifeadi Odenigbo It is simply not a need for this draft. At all. Ximines played last year. Due to injures he only played in 4 games. It’s easy to mistaken that he opted out, like a Houdini act, he was here one second, and gone the next. It's been a case of opting out for his whole career.. At least this person didn't include Carter!!
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 15, 2021 11:50:58 GMT -5
Ximines played last year. Due to injures he only played in 4 games. It’s easy to mistaken that he opted out, like a Houdini act, he was here one second, and gone the next. It's been a case of opting out for his whole career.. At least this person didn't include Carter!! Lorenzo Carter.. A player who has done so little, but the way he’s talked about you would think he’s done so much. I’ve said it before. He’s our Halley’s Comet. When he does make a play you want to take out your phone and take a picture. Because, you don’t know when you will ever see it again. Modern day Bigfoot..
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