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Post by Morehead State on Aug 10, 2018 8:55:51 GMT -5
I see one good play. The first one. And the OL collapsed on it and Saquon pulled off his Barry Sanders moment. The rest was not that good. And stupid Brown penalty aided. It was a terrible display last night. Lets hope they improve week 2. We had a full quarter and a half with 3 and outs in the first pre season game last year. We had an O-line that could not do anything but look like clowns. What our line yesterday did in itself looked was a positive step. We have a line that is improved. That is the foundation , the rest will come along. I want to see positives in the running game and the O-line , I witnessed both . Me I don't care if we do not light it up in the pre-season . At the same time I do not want to see the D or the O-lines get man handled. They did not. You win with your fronts . Our looked to be improved. A positive sign for the first game compared to this time last year. Personally I didn't see any O line play worth getting excited about. 1 good running play was it all game. The third string RB looked good in the 2nd half though. And the Browns put a lot of pressure on both Eli and Webb.
Nothing from yesterday was anything but disappointing to me. But it WAS just the first preseason game, so there's that.....that is a familiar argument we always make.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 10, 2018 8:56:24 GMT -5
Mayfield was killing it against guys who probably won’t see any NFL action. Taylor dominated against the ones. Much more impressive. I bet Webb has a comeback game next week. He has the tools and poise to be successful. He just needs to calm down and settle in. That’s something you can’t learn from watching Eli. Mayfield looked fine poised for his first game action accurate even tho the giants didn't exactly make it hard on him, he did thread the needle on his long TD if he keeps his head on straight and can handle the elements in the winter he has a chance to be special, thought on draft night DG said in his interview once Mayfield came off the board Barkely was a no brainer guess the giants thought highly of him also
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Post by GameTime on Aug 10, 2018 8:59:33 GMT -5
Judging anything from one preseason game is like reading a headline and knowing the whole story. Can’t be done.... We have seen a glimpse. That’s about it I agree, but wouldnt you feel better if our guys looked like the Browns though? If Eli was 5-5 99yards and a TD and Webb or Lauletta was 12-20 for 200+ yards and 2 TDs? And looked as good as they did? We looked like a 3-13 team. I wish we looked better on this first impression. All we can do is hope they improve week after week. Yes I would but I would still make the same statement
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Post by GameTime on Aug 10, 2018 9:00:46 GMT -5
Judging anything from one preseason game is like reading a headline and knowing the whole story. Can’t be done.... We have seen a glimpse. That’s about it Absolutely true my friend. Unfortunately though over the last 5 years...our poor play in the preseason has continued in the regular season.
I would LOVE to see our guys come out and play well. We are constantly making the same excuses, and have been for many years.
I hear you. Just trying to keep my hopes up and my perspective positive
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 10, 2018 9:04:27 GMT -5
I’d like to see our ones do something they haven’t down in years and that is score a touchdown. Yes people forget that the ones didn't score at all through something like for 3+ gamesast year. They may have scored vs NEs backups but I remember it was embarrassing because no one plays starters in 4th pre season game but they were so putrid the first 3 pre Season games they were put in vs NE to get some kind of confidence Last night if not for the penalty to extend that drive they would of had to punt. And if not for the STs turnover giving Webb a gift around the 10 yardine they would of been shutout by the Browns Not good If they come back next 2 weeks not able to make corrections and play better then we know we are on the same old road just a bunch of new faces, that said think anyone being honest with there selves knows this was not a one year fix to many years of funk to fix in just one offseason, hey they ran a little and stopped the run it's a start.
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Post by TEM on Aug 10, 2018 9:04:53 GMT -5
We had a full quarter and a half with 3 and outs in the first pre season game last year. We had an O-line that could not do anything but look like clowns. What our line yesterday did in itself looked was a positive step. We have a line that is improved. That is the foundation , the rest will come along. I want to see positives in the running game and the O-line , I witnessed both . Me I don't care if we do not light it up in the pre-season . At the same time I do not want to see the D or the O-lines get man handled. They did not. You win with your fronts . Our looked to be improved. A positive sign for the first game compared to this time last year. Personally I didn't see any O line play worth getting excited about. 1 good running play was it all game. The third string RB looked good in the 2nd half though. And the Browns put a lot of pressure on both Eli and Webb.
Nothing from yesterday was anything but disappointing to me. But it WAS just the first preseason game, so there's that.....that is a familiar argument we always make.
I thought Gallmen looked good. Edit: I will tell you why the line has improved even if I did not watch the game . Not one why Ereck Flowers sucks post or comment in the past 14 hours. That speaks volumes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 9:05:58 GMT -5
Preseason is preseason. But this team looks like it needs a lot more preseason games before it's ready to play a meaningful game. This, exactly. Not to mention this team looks as if it needs to be the first team in NFL history to not sustain a single injury to a single starter.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 9:07:18 GMT -5
It's pre season Football. I am worried about our country , I am worried about my family , I am worried about my health , I am worried about many things. The NY Giants playing like crap in a pres season game.....no I am not worried. Relax people just stop the madness! Of course. But we don't come here to discuss life stressors, politics, social issues or our health. We come here to discuss NYG football.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 9:09:54 GMT -5
What am I missing? After the run I see 6 plays for 10 yards. [/div] We scored because of a taunting penalty and then later from a muffed punt. I see no "moving the ball".
[/quote] 6 plays for 10 yards is excitable for this offense given the past couple of years of play. And 10 points? Isn't that our average for the past two years also? Come on man... I'm excited.
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Post by jimmieray on Aug 10, 2018 9:09:59 GMT -5
Absolutely true my friend. Unfortunately though over the last 5 years...our poor play in the preseason has continued in the regular season.
I would LOVE to see our guys come out and play well. We are constantly making the same excuses, and have been for many years.
I hear you. Just trying to keep my hopes up and my perspective positive Most of realize that it's not the score that matters in preseason games, but you want to see consistency of execution. Even a play ending with a dropped pass can be taken as a positive, if the line held up, a blitzer is picked up, and the QB makes the right read. Some are saying the offense will be much different when Beckham is in there, and that will probably be true - but then we're back to the same issues over the past years, of praying for a frantic big play to overcome general dysfunction. I really hope it's not going to be back to that, for another season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 9:12:04 GMT -5
No it didn't. We were stopped on 4th down and they had a taunting penalty. I'm sorry but your position that 10 yards of offense on 6 plays (those were the plays YOU listed, not me)..is akin to "moving the ball". you are living in a world of rainbows and unicorns. Again...if you view is that it was just the first preseason game...that would have made sense, but to list 6 plays for 10 yards in detail, as an example of moving the ball..is kind of silly....don't you think?
I just want to point out that that was clearly a helmet to the head shot. That should have been two fouls, and that kid should be fined. I just don’t understand the NFL. They talk about blows to the head and then do nothing when one occurs. Yeah I read an article on ESPN this morning about the NFL's three-pronged approach to head/concussion issues and Eric Weddle's reaction. One of the things Weddle said was "it will be interesting to see all the flags being thrown with regards to these new rules/enforcements." My thought was "where TF was the flag on that hit?"
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 10, 2018 9:15:20 GMT -5
Absolutely true my friend. Unfortunately though over the last 5 years...our poor play in the preseason has continued in the regular season.
I would LOVE to see our guys come out and play well. We are constantly making the same excuses, and have been for many years.
I hear you. Just trying to keep my hopes up and my perspective positive before we all get to caught up lets see if they can do something they haven't done in any of the last 6 years, go home look at film and improve through out the preseason, if they are looking the same in game 3 as they did last night then we will know we might be getting anther top 5 pick with how tough our schedule is.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 10, 2018 9:15:24 GMT -5
We had a full quarter and a half with 3 and outs in the first pre season game last year. We had an O-line that could not do anything but look like clowns. What our line yesterday did in itself looked was a positive step. We have a line that is improved. That is the foundation , the rest will come along. I want to see positives in the running game and the O-line , I witnessed both . Me I don't care if we do not light it up in the pre-season . At the same time I do not want to see the D or the O-lines get man handled. They did not. You win with your fronts . Our looked to be improved. A positive sign for the first game compared to this time last year. Personally I didn't see any O line play worth getting excited about. 1 good running play was it all game. The third string RB looked good in the 2nd half though. And the Browns put a lot of pressure on both Eli and Webb.
Nothing from yesterday was anything but disappointing to me. But it WAS just the first preseason game, so there's that.....that is a familiar argument we always make.
I actually thought the backup OL looked better than I expected. I agree with you about the starters. Even Barkley’s one long run seemed to be about him making something out of nothing, and not great OL play....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 9:16:08 GMT -5
Mayfield was killing it against guys who probably won’t see any NFL action. Taylor dominated against the ones. Much more impressive. I bet Webb has a comeback game next week. He has the tools and poise to be successful. He just needs to calm down and settle in. That’s something you can’t learn from watching Eli. Um wha? I'm rooting for Webb or Lauletta big time as I want to reap the benefit of AAV by having a starting QB playing on a rookie contract (after Eli finally retires)... but to say Webb has tools and poise? What are you watching? He looks awful as of now. His footwork is sloppy, his mechanics are lazy, he looks as if he doesn't know how to calmly go through a progression and I saw many inaccurate throws due to, what I only can describe as, feeling pressure that wan't there. Not to mention he pump fakes too much. And not in a trying to juke the defender kind of way but in an indecisive kind of way.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 9:18:31 GMT -5
We had a full quarter and a half with 3 and outs in the first pre season game last year. We had an O-line that could not do anything but look like clowns. What our line yesterday did in itself looked was a positive step. We have a line that is improved. That is the foundation , the rest will come along. I want to see positives in the running game and the O-line , I witnessed both . Me I don't care if we do not light it up in the pre-season . At the same time I do not want to see the D or the O-lines get man handled. They did not. You win with your fronts . Our looked to be improved. A positive sign for the first game compared to this time last year. Personally I didn't see any O line play worth getting excited about. 1 good running play was it all game. The third string RB looked good in the 2nd half though. And the Browns put a lot of pressure on both Eli and Webb.
Nothing from yesterday was anything but disappointing to me. But it WAS just the first preseason game, so there's that.....that is a familiar argument we always make.
It's so true. It's the same adage that I hear over and over again. "it's just preseason," "it's just a vanilla scheme," "the sky is falling!?!?! ZOMG!?!?"... yet it's the same trend year in and year out. I, like you, am hoping to see something different. Like a team that comes out prepared, knocking the snot out of their opponent and looking confident. Rather I am still seeing a team that goes back to practice wondering wtf just happened.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 10, 2018 9:18:44 GMT -5
Poise? The dude shit the bed because he had the “jitters” in a preseason game. That is actually the opposite of poise.... poise as in staying the pocket and going through his progressions. The lack of accuracy had more to do with the jitters. I’m not writing him off yet. I bet he’ll improve next week now that he got his first game jitters out of the way. well now that he shit the bed in his first game, he may be extra “jittery” to play well in the second game. Can’t wait to see him leading us on a potential game winning drive in the Super Bowl in a few years! 😳
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 10, 2018 9:21:27 GMT -5
I see one good play. The first one. And the OL collapsed on it and Saquon pulled off his Barry Sanders moment. The rest was not that good. And stupid Brown penalty aided. It was a terrible display last night. Lets hope they improve week 2. We had a full quarter and a half with 3 and outs in the first pre season game last year. We had an O-line that could not do anything but look like clowns. What our line yesterday did in itself looked was a positive step. We have a line that is improved. That is the foundation , the rest will come along. I want to see positives in the running game and the O-line , I witnessed both . Me I don't care if we do not light it up in the pre-season . At the same time I do not want to see the D or the O-lines get man handled. They did not. You win with your fronts . Our looked to be improved. A positive sign for the first game compared to this time last year. you would think this team has been in playoff contention of late the way folks are talking,agree100% they looked better then the last couple of years in game one lets see if they can carry it over and correct mistakes and get better as the preseason wheres on.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 10, 2018 9:26:36 GMT -5
We had a full quarter and a half with 3 and outs in the first pre season game last year. We had an O-line that could not do anything but look like clowns. What our line yesterday did in itself looked was a positive step. We have a line that is improved. That is the foundation , the rest will come along. I want to see positives in the running game and the O-line , I witnessed both . Me I don't care if we do not light it up in the pre-season . At the same time I do not want to see the D or the O-lines get man handled. They did not. You win with your fronts . Our looked to be improved. A positive sign for the first game compared to this time last year. you would think this team has been in playoff contention of late the way folks are talking,agree100% they looked better then the last couple of years in game one lets see if they can carry it over and correct mistakes and get better as the preseason wheres on. Just interested, how did they look better? Because our #2 pick RB made an incredible move on a blown up play for 39 yards or becasue they were rewarded with a 1st down to continue the drive on a taunting penalty for 15 yards. To me, it looked the same except we have a dynamic RB now and had 1 great run. Outside of that, same stuff. Of course Im not saying it will continue. Its week 1. Lets hope for improvement.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 9:26:52 GMT -5
Well, this preseason game didn't look any different from what we've seen over the past 7 seasons. The starters can't move the football, the backups struggle to move the football, and guys who won't make the team look bad. What's frustrating is, I watch other teams play on the same night, watch their starters have 2 good series, score TD's and sit for the rest of the night. Some of these teams have new pieces and new coaches, but don't seem to struggle as much.
I believe this team will be better than last years team, but only by a few games. Can they surprise? Sure, but the odds of doing so aren't in their favor. I don't think the O line played bad last night. This includes the starters and the backups. It's going to take time for them to gel and we're just going to have to be patient. Webb needs to settle down. He saw the field well, but everything was wild high. There were plays to be made and hopefully he'll have a better game next week. Lauletta has good pocket presence, but his throws don't have much on them. I just don't see him being successful in the NFL. However, I could be wrong,
For those who still think we can be a good offense without Odell on this team, I'll say this. NONSENSE! Whenever he's not on the field, this entire offense spirals down the toilet. Now to the defense. This secondary is in trouble. Then again, some of us already knew this. DG let two decent corners walk, and replaced them with a bunch of cereal box, let's hope we find a prize players. Well, I sure as hell hope they find that prize, because if they don't, it's friendly skies time. I think the front seven is going to be good. Not great, but good. I think Lorenzo Carter is going to be a beast in this league for years to come.
I was one of the fans who wanted the Giants to trade down and acquire more picks, considering the holes they had to fill. I still wish they did. Anyway, three more games to go and we'll have a better idea of where this team is headed. If they look the same by the final game, I think it will be fair to say that the Giants will be picking in the top 10 again in next years draft. On a side note. Did the play calling look eerily similar to McAdoo's?
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 10, 2018 9:26:53 GMT -5
Preseason is preseason. But this team looks like it needs a lot more preseason games before it's ready to play a meaningful game. We all want more but in the end they weren't going to be able to fix 5 years of neglect in one offseason, on a positive note they ran for 5.8 a carry and only gave up 1.5 on defense,I thought the QBs had more then 2 seconds to throw more time then not, that said the secondary is scary, they need to find a free safety quick Thompson looked lost, we have to accept 11-5 was an aberration 2 years ago, they are more like 6-10 5-11 teams of the last 6 years, still a lot of work to be done
I'm afraid you are absolutely correct. And that means we should have taken Darnold.
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 10, 2018 9:28:12 GMT -5
Poise? The dude shit the bed because he had the “jitters” in a preseason game. That is actually the opposite of poise.... poise as in staying the pocket and going through his progressions. The lack of accuracy had more to do with the jitters. I’m not writing him off yet. I bet he’ll improve next week now that he got his first game jitters out of the way.
I could understand him having the first series jitters. But the entire time he played?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 10, 2018 9:31:22 GMT -5
poise as in staying the pocket and going through his progressions. The lack of accuracy had more to do with the jitters. I’m not writing him off yet. I bet he’ll improve next week now that he got his first game jitters out of the way.
I could understand him having the first series jitters. But the entire time he played?
And if he is jitters now in a preseason game, we might as well cut him now. What does that say about him in the regular season 2 minute offense or the playoffs? Yikes. Hopefully he plays a lot better week 2 and it was more just being "amped" and he was throwing too hard/high because of it. You shouldnt get jitters in preseason, especially in your 2nd year.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 10, 2018 9:32:48 GMT -5
We all want more but in the end they weren't going to be able to fix 5 years of neglect in one offseason, on a positive note they ran for 5.8 a carry and only gave up 1.5 on defense,I thought the QBs had more then 2 seconds to throw more time then not, that said the secondary is scary, they need to find a free safety quick Thompson looked lost, we have to accept 11-5 was an aberration 2 years ago, they are more like 6-10 5-11 teams of the last 6 years, still a lot of work to be done
I'm afraid you are absolutely correct. And that means we should have taken Darnold.
I think they didn't believe in him for what ever reason but yes a QB would probably been the better choice, think they liked Mayfield but unfortunately so did Cleveland,my hope is as I have been saying that if they can go back look at tape and improve through out the preseason that would be something different, they are running 2 new systems lots of new faces.
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Post by BigBlue58 on Aug 10, 2018 9:39:07 GMT -5
New Defensive scheme, new offensive system and y’all expected magic in the first preseason game? Some of you are too much..really! This was all “get your feet wet”, basic play calling stuff. Pat Shurmur and Shula are gonna have more in the bag of tricks on Offense when the games start to count! I mean....some of you look at Barkley’s few minutes on the field and you think “a big run, then not much after that!” LMAO Climb off the ledge. Almost 50 yards on a few carries is already better than what we’ve watched too many seasons. The D was also very basic. Nothing to get in a twist about. The game still has to slow down for a lot of the new guys, they’re still getting accostomed to each other and the new systems are gonna present a learning curve for everyone! Think glass half full people. Yes I agree on Barkley. Giants went whole games last year and didn't rush for what Barkley got in a few carries. Gallman, Martin & Simmons all looked promising As far as the basic play calling stuff. We have heard that song and dance the last 2/3 pre seadons. "Oh it's oy a Vanilla offense right now. Wait till the regular season. And the regular season they looked worse I agree with others on why can't the Giants look good in pre season like many other teams Was disheartening watching Taylor and Mayfield dismantle our Lbs and secondary Punter looked good. He might get a lot of work this year Kicker looked good on the one FG On the plus side, it will be Pat Shurmur working on fixing the issues and not McAdunce and Spaznuolo! I have to think positive, because , after all, what choice do I have???
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 10, 2018 9:40:38 GMT -5
you would think this team has been in playoff contention of late the way folks are talking,agree100% they looked better then the last couple of years in game one lets see if they can carry it over and correct mistakes and get better as the preseason wheres on. Just interested, how did they look better? Because our #2 pick RB made an incredible move on a blown up play for 39 yards or becasue they were rewarded with a 1st down to continue the drive on a taunting penalty for 15 yards. To me, it looked the same except we have a dynamic RB now and had 1 great run. Outside of that, same stuff. Of course Im not saying it will continue. Its week 1. Lets hope for improvement. they ended the night averaging 5.8 yards a carry and only allowing 1.5 I know a lot of it came with the 2s but it shows they might have some depth at OL and a willingness to run it, they didn't seem to get man handled in the trenches have to start some place this is 3-13 team,cleveland played pretty good D last year, been say this all camp lets see if as the games go on if they can improve from game to game they are learning 2 new systems,in past what got me is they looked the same in preseason game 3 as they did in game 1.
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Post by TEM on Aug 10, 2018 9:41:06 GMT -5
you would think this team has been in playoff contention of late the way folks are talking,agree100% they looked better then the last couple of years in game one lets see if they can carry it over and correct mistakes and get better as the preseason wheres on. Just interested, how did they look better? Because our #2 pick RB made an incredible move on a blown up play for 39 yards or becasue they were rewarded with a 1st down to continue the drive on a taunting penalty for 15 yards. To me, it looked the same except we have a dynamic RB now and had 1 great run. Outside of that, same stuff. Of course Im not saying it will continue. Its week 1. Lets hope for improvement. Very simple . There were no Ereck Flowers posts or threads in the past 14 hours.
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 10, 2018 9:42:41 GMT -5
I just want to point out that that was clearly a helmet to the head shot. That should have been two fouls, and that kid should be fined. I just don’t understand the NFL. They talk about blows to the head and then do nothing when one occurs. Yeah I read an article on ESPN this morning about the NFL's three-pronged approach to head/concussion issues and Eric Weddle's reaction. One of the things Weddle said was "it will be interesting to see all the flags being thrown with regards to these new rules/enforcements." My thought was "where TF was the flag on that hit?" The two officials that were standing right there are either blind or too stupid to have that job.
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Post by BigBlue58 on Aug 10, 2018 9:46:46 GMT -5
Ah....who am I trying to kid? I expected them to look a hell of a lot better than what they showed last night!!! I’m too ****ing old and have watched too many decades of Giants football to be satisfied with “hoping for the best “!!! My rose colored glasses are starting to give me migraines. I didn’t expect a well oiled machine after one preseason game, but holy mackerel, I at least thought they’d get the damned engine to turnover!!!!
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 10, 2018 9:47:08 GMT -5
Well, this preseason game didn't look any different from what we've seen over the past 7 seasons. The starters can't move the football, the backups struggle to move the football, and guys who won't make the team look bad. What's frustrating is, I watch other teams play on the same night, watch their starters have 2 good series, score TD's and sit for the rest of the night. Some of these teams have new pieces and new coaches, but don't seem to struggle as much. I believe this team will be better than last years team, but only by a few games. Can they surprise? Sure, but the odds of doing so aren't in their favor. I don't think the O line played bad last night. This includes the starters and the backups. It's going to take time for them to gel and we're just going to have to be patient. Webb needs to settle down. He saw the field well, but everything was wild high. There were plays to be made and hopefully he'll have a better game next week. Lauletta has good pocket presence, but his throws don't have much on them. I just don't see him being successful in the NFL. However, I could be wrong, For those who still think we can be a good offense without Odell on this team, I'll say this. NONSENSE! Whenever he's not on the field, this entire offense spirals down the toilet. Now to the defense. This secondary is in trouble. Then again, some of us already knew this. DG let two decent corners walk, and replaced them with a bunch of cereal box, let's hope we find a prize players. Well, I sure as hell hope they find that prize, because if they don't, it's friendly skies time. I think the front seven is going to be good. Not great, but good. I think Lorenzo Carter is going to be a beast in this league for years to come. I was one of the fans who wanted the Giants to trade down and acquire more picks, considering the holes they had to fill. I still wish they did. Anyway, three more games to go and we'll have a better idea of where this team is headed. If they look the same by the final game, I think it will be fair to say that the Giants will be picking in the top 10 again in next years draft. On a side note. Did the play calling look eerily similar to McAdoo's? As long a Eli is under center our offense will look the same.
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 10, 2018 10:01:11 GMT -5
I'm afraid you are absolutely correct. And that means we should have taken Darnold.
I think they didn't believe in him for what ever reason but yes a QB would probably been the better choice, think they liked Mayfield but unfortunately so did Cleveland,my hope is as I have been saying that if they can go back look at tape and improve through out the preseason that would be something different, they are running 2 new systems lots of new faces.
Actually, I agree with you as well that we should have traded down for more picks if they didn't like the rest of the QB's.
And while I know it's going to sound ridiculous saying this now after one preseason game, but I just do not see us winning with Eli any longer.
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