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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 10:04:42 GMT -5
I think they didn't believe in him for what ever reason but yes a QB would probably been the better choice, think they liked Mayfield but unfortunately so did Cleveland,my hope is as I have been saying that if they can go back look at tape and improve through out the preseason that would be something different, they are running 2 new systems lots of new faces.
Actually, I agree with you as well that we should have traded down for more picks if they didn't like the rest of the QB's.
And while I know it's going to sound ridiculous saying this now after one preseason game, but I just do not see us winning with Eli any longer.
I've felt that way a few years, but others get upset if you say too much about it. but seeing our backups last night, we really need Eli right now, eeeek!
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Post by KingCap88 on Aug 10, 2018 10:10:35 GMT -5
I'm not going to stress over one preseason game, but if the Giants still look the same in the 3rd and 4th preseason game then I'll get concerned.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 10, 2018 10:12:56 GMT -5
I think they didn't believe in him for what ever reason but yes a QB would probably been the better choice, think they liked Mayfield but unfortunately so did Cleveland,my hope is as I have been saying that if they can go back look at tape and improve through out the preseason that would be something different, they are running 2 new systems lots of new faces.
Actually, I agree with you as well that we should have traded down for more picks if they didn't like the rest of the QB's.
And while I know it's going to sound ridiculous saying this now after one preseason game, but I just do not see us winning with Eli any longer.
Good thing this is your site! Or you would be flamed right now :-) We have needed a new QB for years now. Unless everything is perfect for Eli, it isnt working anymore and everyone else gets the blame. Eli now has a dynamic WR, TE and RB, and improved OL, and what should be a at worst middle of the road defense. And now has a brand new HC who has a QB friendly offense. He has no more excuses, yet some fans will find them if he struggles. Not going QB at #2 in the draft with a few very good QB prospects could be a huge mistake.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 10, 2018 10:14:01 GMT -5
I'm not going to stress over one preseason game, but if the Giants still look the same in the 3rd and 4th preseason game then I'll get concerned. Dont worry about the 4th game. Its 100% meaningless to judge anything on that game except who makes the team on the back half of the roster. Its games 2 and 3 that are important to watch the production.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 10, 2018 10:16:34 GMT -5
I think they didn't believe in him for what ever reason but yes a QB would probably been the better choice, think they liked Mayfield but unfortunately so did Cleveland,my hope is as I have been saying that if they can go back look at tape and improve through out the preseason that would be something different, they are running 2 new systems lots of new faces.
Actually, I agree with you as well that we should have traded down for more picks if they didn't like the rest of the QB's.
And while I know it's going to sound ridiculous saying this now after one preseason game, but I just do not see us winning with Eli any longer.
yes I was in the more picks corner lol still think hope they can win with Eli if the offensive line and run game can produce, but it is disheartening to see a guy I believe they liked play well in Mayfield,kids got that winners mentality football can be tricky when it comes to QBs look at luck and RG3 who would have thought one would be out of the league and back in and the other hurt more often then not,2 years from now Mayfield and Darnold be busts, keep your chin up Rosey were gonna survive and might even thrive.
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Post by TEM on Aug 10, 2018 10:17:30 GMT -5
Well, this preseason game didn't look any different from what we've seen over the past 7 seasons. The starters can't move the football, the backups struggle to move the football, and guys who won't make the team look bad. What's frustrating is, I watch other teams play on the same night, watch their starters have 2 good series, score TD's and sit for the rest of the night. Some of these teams have new pieces and new coaches, but don't seem to struggle as much. I believe this team will be better than last years team, but only by a few games. Can they surprise? Sure, but the odds of doing so aren't in their favor. I don't think the O line played bad last night. This includes the starters and the backups. It's going to take time for them to gel and we're just going to have to be patient. Webb needs to settle down. He saw the field well, but everything was wild high. There were plays to be made and hopefully he'll have a better game next week. Lauletta has good pocket presence, but his throws don't have much on them. I just don't see him being successful in the NFL. However, I could be wrong, For those who still think we can be a good offense without Odell on this team, I'll say this. NONSENSE! Whenever he's not on the field, this entire offense spirals down the toilet. Now to the defense. This secondary is in trouble. Then again, some of us already knew this. DG let two decent corners walk, and replaced them with a bunch of cereal box, let's hope we find a prize players. Well, I sure as hell hope they find that prize, because if they don't, it's friendly skies time. I think the front seven is going to be good. Not great, but good. I think Lorenzo Carter is going to be a beast in this league for years to come. I was one of the fans who wanted the Giants to trade down and acquire more picks, considering the holes they had to fill. I still wish they did. Anyway, three more games to go and we'll have a better idea of where this team is headed. If they look the same by the final game, I think it will be fair to say that the Giants will be picking in the top 10 again in next years draft. On a side note. Did the play calling look eerily similar to McAdoo's? As long a Eli is under center our offense will look the same.
I do not believe this for one second.
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Post by KingCap88 on Aug 10, 2018 10:21:28 GMT -5
I'm not going to stress over one preseason game, but if the Giants still look the same in the 3rd and 4th preseason game then I'll get concerned. Dont worry about the 4th game. Its 100% meaningless to judge anything on that game except who makes the team on the back half of the roster. Its games 2 and 3 that are important to watch the production. The Giants lackluster preseason performances in recent years, especially on offense, being a sign of problems to come during the regular season is still fresh in my mind which is why I threw the 4th game in there. But you're right about the 2nd and 3rd games being important for production. Although I wonder if Shurmur will have the starters play during the 4th game?
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 10, 2018 10:21:31 GMT -5
Actually, I agree with you as well that we should have traded down for more picks if they didn't like the rest of the QB's.
And while I know it's going to sound ridiculous saying this now after one preseason game, but I just do not see us winning with Eli any longer.
Good thing this is your site! Or you would be flamed right now :-) We have needed a new QB for years now. Unless everything is perfect for Eli, it isnt working anymore and everyone else gets the blame. Eli now has a dynamic WR, TE and RB, and improved OL, and what should be a at worst middle of the road defense. And now has a brand new HC who has a QB friendly offense. He has no more excuses, yet some fans will find them if he struggles. Not going QB at #2 in the draft with a few very good QB prospects could be a huge mistake.
People can say whatever they like about my views without fear of any kind of retribution.
But I have to admit that I while I feel pretty stupid commenting on a preseason game, I do have trouble watching him play just to live another day.
I need to see him making plays.
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Post by dream88 on Aug 10, 2018 10:22:23 GMT -5
Yeah, no sugar coating it, not an encouraging effort overall. On the flipside, I cannot wait to see what happens when Saquon is getting 20+ touches in the regular season. I truly think he is going to be special.
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Post by TEM on Aug 10, 2018 10:25:52 GMT -5
Good thing this is your site! Or you would be flamed right now :-) We have needed a new QB for years now. Unless everything is perfect for Eli, it isnt working anymore and everyone else gets the blame. Eli now has a dynamic WR, TE and RB, and improved OL, and what should be a at worst middle of the road defense. And now has a brand new HC who has a QB friendly offense. He has no more excuses, yet some fans will find them if he struggles. Not going QB at #2 in the draft with a few very good QB prospects could be a huge mistake.
People can say whatever they like about my views without fear of any kind of retribution.
But I have to admit that I while I feel pretty stupid commenting on a preseason game, I do have trouble watching him play just to live another day.
I need to see him making plays.
The first team had 15 snaps . Very little pressure from the outside. One of the things I was pleased with . It looks like we have 2 tackles. The interior line needs to gel . Some miscommunication with protection . At this point I am way more optimistic than this time last off season.
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 10, 2018 10:26:07 GMT -5
As long a Eli is under center our offense will look the same.
I do not believe this for one second.
Last night was deja vu all over again for me TEM, complete with the poorly executed short pass.
You wanna know my highlight at QB? It was watching Webb run out of the freakin pocket and get out of bounds without getting tackled.
When you can't make anything happen with your arm - run.
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Post by TEM on Aug 10, 2018 10:30:08 GMT -5
I do not believe this for one second.
Last night was deja vu all over again for me TEM, complete with the poorly executed short pass.
You wanna know my highlight at QB? It was watching Webb run out of the freakin pocket and get out of bounds without getting tackled.
When you can't make anything happen with your arm - run.
That I agree with . But it was only 15 snaps and Eli completed 65% of his throws. I an not willing to say he can not win. I think that is a bit extreme. If he can't at some point he needs to move aside . I do not see him being there at this point.
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 10, 2018 10:36:41 GMT -5
Last night was deja vu all over again for me TEM, complete with the poorly executed short pass.
You wanna know my highlight at QB? It was watching Webb run out of the freakin pocket and get out of bounds without getting tackled.
When you can't make anything happen with your arm - run.
That I agree with . But it was only 15 snaps and Eli completed 65% of his throws. I an not willing to say he can not win. I think that is a bit extreme. If he can't at some point he needs to move aside . I do not see him being there at this point.
I hope you're right.
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Post by BigBlue58 on Aug 10, 2018 10:38:07 GMT -5
Sorry, but although I was disappointed with the results last night, I’m calling bullshit that Eli somehow stood out above everyone else as a main culprit! It’s the NFL......you get a screen with some mustard thrown your way, you’re expected to catch the damned thing in the big boy league. Somewhere, someone, at some point, has GOT to give the guy some damned help and make a ****ing play!!!
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Post by TEM on Aug 10, 2018 10:38:23 GMT -5
That I agree with . But it was only 15 snaps and Eli completed 65% of his throws. I an not willing to say he can not win. I think that is a bit extreme. If he can't at some point he needs to move aside . I do not see him being there at this point.
I hope you're right.
We need him to be.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 11:01:49 GMT -5
Sorry, but although I was disappointed with the results last night, I’m calling bullshit that Eli somehow stood out above everyone else as a main culprit! It’s the NFL......you get a screen with some mustard thrown your way, you’re expected to catch the damned thing in the big boy league. Somewhere, someone, at some point, has GOT to give the guy some damned help and make a ****ing play!!! Hey, you stop using real logic like that, lol!
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 10, 2018 11:09:31 GMT -5
Sorry, but although I was disappointed with the results last night, I’m calling bullshit that Eli somehow stood out above everyone else as a main culprit! It’s the NFL......you get a screen with some mustard thrown your way, you’re expected to catch the damned thing in the big boy league. Somewhere, someone, at some point, has GOT to give the guy some damned help and make a ****ing play!!! Eli now has one of the top WRs in the league in Odell, one of the best receiving threats at TE in Engram and projected to be one of the best RBs in the league in Barkley. HE now has a coach that made Case Keenum look pro bowl worthy. If Eli cant look great with all that help, I dont think he will ever look great. Lets hope they continue to improve week by week and get out of the stinky feeling they have been living in the past 5 or so years. Get Odell back in there, get Barkley in to the NFL groove, get Engram the ball up the seams, and lets see how we are looking.
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 10, 2018 11:10:39 GMT -5
Thoughts? Thank goodness the game didn’t count.
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Post by spaceweather on Aug 10, 2018 11:27:49 GMT -5
I would've liked to see them utilize Barkley as a WR, I know they played like two series but still.
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Post by alwaysready126 on Aug 10, 2018 11:36:32 GMT -5
wow, the patented preseason week 1 cliff jumping is in 5th gear....
I've stated my thoughts on how difficult and un-natural it is to acclimate to a new system that is as different as it can get from last years on both sides of the ball.
A couple of other things.....
That first touchdown to the TE was because our defense got caught with their pants down. They were not expecting a no huddle and why should they? That is a classic, bone headed and predictable Browns move in week 1 of the preseason. They will probably rest their on their laurels too which is why in an odd way, I'm glad the Giants didnt beat the Browns up last night.
Also, our run game was stout. The Browns were one dimensional when both teams first units were on the field.
Eli looked comfortable. The O-line actually played a lot better then I expected them to including #74. Miles Garrett is a beast and Nate Solder did his job.
Saquon is obviously going to add a dynamic to the offense that we haven't had in years.
Good bad or indifferent, the result will be much different this year.
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Post by repeatchamps on Aug 10, 2018 11:41:09 GMT -5
I would've liked to see them utilize Barkley as a WR, I know they played like two series but still. I can pretty much guarantee that they are definitely keeping that piece of the offensive play calling under wraps in the pre-season.
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Post by goldenratio on Aug 10, 2018 12:05:21 GMT -5
that play where njoku beat alec ogletree for a TD..landon collins was blitzing (leaving the back zone on his side devoid of any help on D) and ogletree was 1 on 1 trying to cover the go/seam route. The browns had the perfect call and execution for the defensive blitz that betcher ran. Would be nice to have a lb who could cover a TE 1 on 1, but that is a big ask in today's NFL. Especially against a former track star like Njoku. Do you guys give ogletree a pass on that? is that one on betcher's blitz heavey scheme and the O calling the perfect counter to the what the D was doing? not a bad call as the O needs to execute perfectly in order to beat that scheme. But if they do, they score.
Also the pass rush didn't get home much, even with blitzing. It will be up to Betcher to adjust to the personnel he has to work with. It's preseason so maybe Betcher is trying to see what they can and cannot handle. Perhaps bringing safety blitzes is going to be dangerous. Perhaps we'd rather see the Lbs blitzing. But collins is probably the best blitzer on the team. What say you fellas?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 10, 2018 12:16:17 GMT -5
I would've liked to see them utilize Barkley as a WR, I know they played like two series but still. I can pretty much guarantee that they are definitely keeping that piece of the offensive play calling under wraps in the pre-season. Shurmer said last night they wanted to get the run game going and he called it that way, think your on the money there not going show everything.
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Post by goldenratio on Aug 10, 2018 12:24:30 GMT -5
who got beat on that play by to calloway from mayfield?
# 29, Is that leonard johnson?
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Post by spaceweather on Aug 10, 2018 12:45:55 GMT -5
I would've liked to see them utilize Barkley as a WR, I know they played like two series but still. I can pretty much guarantee that they are definitely keeping that piece of the offensive play calling under wraps in the pre-season. Yeah I know but even a swing pass or something would've been nice to see. He has done it well in camp, just me being greedy I am aware it is preseason.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 10, 2018 12:50:21 GMT -5
that play where njoku beat alec ogletree for a TD..landon collins was blitzing (leaving the back zone on his side devoid of any help on D) and ogletree was 1 on 1 trying to cover the go/seam route. The browns had the perfect call and execution for the defensive blitz that betcher ran. Would be nice to have a lb who could cover a TE 1 on 1, but that is a big ask in today's NFL. Especially against a former track star like Njoku. Do you guys give ogletree a pass on that? is that one on betcher's blitz heavey scheme and the O calling the perfect counter to the what the D was doing? not a bad call as the O needs to execute perfectly in order to beat that scheme. But if they do, they score. Also the pass rush didn't get home much, even with blitzing. It will be up to Betcher to adjust to the personnel he has to work with. It's preseason so maybe Betcher is trying to see what they can and cannot handle. Perhaps bringing safety blitzes is going to be dangerous. Perhaps we'd rather see the Lbs blitzing. But collins is probably the best blitzer on the team. What say you fellas? A pass? More like you can make every play. It’s happens every game. Someone gets beat.
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Post by EliQB10 on Aug 10, 2018 12:58:07 GMT -5
I can pretty much guarantee that they are definitely keeping that piece of the offensive play calling under wraps in the pre-season. Yeah I know but even a swing pass or something would've been nice to see. He has done it well in camp, just me being greedy I am aware it is preseason. I'm just hoping that they execute better whatever plays they decide to call starting next Friday...
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Post by jimmieray on Aug 10, 2018 13:00:05 GMT -5
that play where njoku beat alec ogletree for a TD..landon collins was blitzing (leaving the back zone on his side devoid of any help on D) and ogletree was 1 on 1 trying to cover the go/seam route. The browns had the perfect call and execution for the defensive blitz that betcher ran. Would be nice to have a lb who could cover a TE 1 on 1, but that is a big ask in today's NFL. Especially against a former track star like Njoku. Do you guys give ogletree a pass on that? is that one on betcher's blitz heavey scheme and the O calling the perfect counter to the what the D was doing? not a bad call as the O needs to execute perfectly in order to beat that scheme. But if they do, they score. Also the pass rush didn't get home much, even with blitzing. It will be up to Betcher to adjust to the personnel he has to work with. It's preseason so maybe Betcher is trying to see what they can and cannot handle. Perhaps bringing safety blitzes is going to be dangerous. Perhaps we'd rather see the Lbs blitzing. But collins is probably the best blitzer on the team. What say you fellas? I have a general question for both of your observations - in a 3-4 defense, how many LBers rushing the passer would be considered blitzing?
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Post by goldenratio on Aug 10, 2018 13:12:54 GMT -5
that play where njoku beat alec ogletree for a TD..landon collins was blitzing (leaving the back zone on his side devoid of any help on D) and ogletree was 1 on 1 trying to cover the go/seam route. The browns had the perfect call and execution for the defensive blitz that betcher ran. Would be nice to have a lb who could cover a TE 1 on 1, but that is a big ask in today's NFL. Especially against a former track star like Njoku. Do you guys give ogletree a pass on that? is that one on betcher's blitz heavey scheme and the O calling the perfect counter to the what the D was doing? not a bad call as the O needs to execute perfectly in order to beat that scheme. But if they do, they score. Also the pass rush didn't get home much, even with blitzing. It will be up to Betcher to adjust to the personnel he has to work with. It's preseason so maybe Betcher is trying to see what they can and cannot handle. Perhaps bringing safety blitzes is going to be dangerous. Perhaps we'd rather see the Lbs blitzing. But collins is probably the best blitzer on the team. What say you fellas? I have a general question for both of your observations - in a 3-4 defense, how many LBers rushing the passer would be considered blitzing? i really don't know man. that is why i'm asking you fellas....
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Post by bringbackmac on Aug 10, 2018 13:15:31 GMT -5
FIRTS OF ALL I WANNA SAY THAT WHAT IDIOT WASTESS A SECOND PICK ON A RUNNING BACK THIS IS RIDICULOUS THE GETTLEMEN ERA NEEDS TO BE OVER ALREADY WHY DID WE NOT TRY TO GET TOM COUGHLIN BACK HE IS MUCH BETTER AND WILL WIN THE SB THIS YEAR IN JAX... WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS SEASON AND SAY IT ISA WASH AND ALREADY WE HAVE NO QB FOR FUTURE!!! WHAT IS SHURMER THINKING!?!?!!?!?!?!?!? SECONDLY THIS GLORY BOY ODELL NEEDS TO GET TRADED FOR SOMEONE WITH HEART LIKE JORDY NELSOM OR JULIAN EDELMAN. NOT ONLY IS ODELL A CANCER BUT HE ALSO HAS THE ANTICS AND RUINS THE TEAM!!!!!! I WOULD NOT WASTE A DIME ON THIS KICKING NET FIGHT LOSING COKE PIZZA MODEL LOVING GAY MAN. THIRD ARE WE EVEN SURE THAT MCADOO WAS THAT BAD I THINK HE WAS HANDCUFFED WITH REALLY BAD PLAYERS AND A TERRIBLE QB I CANT WAIT UNTIL WE REALIZE HE WAS THE SAVIOR!!! BRING BACK MAC!!!!!! Why does this guy even have access to this message board he's an obvious troll.
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