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Post by mikethenygfan on Jan 15, 2021 9:04:02 GMT -5
it wouldn’t be crazy. Especially if we resign LW and DT and maybe a find a somewhat cheap 1 year deal pass rusher... bud depree coming off an injury is he gunna get a big deal still? We already went the cheap route with an edge rusher with Fackrell. Time to invest in the position. Unless, everyone is satisfied with opposing quarterbacks playing solitaire in the pocket. i would love an elite pass rusher but i dont think well be in a position to overpay one. Hopefully we can draft a pass rusher. Also LW has proven he is a pass rusher and i think hell only be better with another year in the system.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 15, 2021 9:35:35 GMT -5
Depends on what we do in FA.. Assuming we don't make any moves at that position I would not mind if we used two picks on wr's from 1-3.. Defense has some good pieces it needs some more, but the biggest issue by far is this offense. If they want to invest in it that highly you won't see me complaining. with the amount of quality WR's in the 2020 draft and 2021, I would prefer that the Giants draft a WR and pick one up in FA. It makes much more sense to get a quality vet at a discount that spending that much draft capital at a position with an abundance of talent. Supply and demand should be driving this decision.... This is why I suggested a guy like Sammy Watkins... Has enough athletic juice to run verticals,makes contested catches,has 2 or so productive years left.. Has that savy Amani Toomer quality in his later years about him But this draft has a lot of good players in it here
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Post by hadenough on Jan 15, 2021 10:19:28 GMT -5
Go through some of the best WRs in the entire league. Davante Adams JJ Smith Schuster Kenny Golloday Tyreke Hill DK Metcalf Robert Woods Alshon Jeffery Stefan Diggs Michael Thomas Keenan Allen Allen Robinson Adam Thelein Courtland Sutton TY Hilton Tyler Lockett None of them were 1st rounders... AJ Green Julio Jones DeAndre Hopkins Mike Evans Odell Beckham Brandon Cooks Amari Cooper Mike Williams Calvin Ridley Jerry Jeudy Justin Jefferson CeeDee Lamb Brandon Aiyuk
These guys were first round picks. And that's out of 1/7 of the pool you listed.
In other words....yes, good WR's can be found all over the draft, as is true for all positions. But you have a far greater chance on hitting on one the earlier they are picked.
I'm sure everyone here realizes 12 out of the 15 players I mentioned were 2nd and 3rd rounders, right? And Tyreke Hill was only a later round selection due to off field issues. 2 of the 13 players you mentioned were on playoff teams. (And 1 of those 2 is Odell who isn't even playing) 10 of the 15 I mentioned were on playoff teams. So do 1st Round WRs really matter?
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 15, 2021 11:08:00 GMT -5
AJ Green Julio Jones DeAndre Hopkins Mike Evans Odell Beckham Brandon Cooks Amari Cooper Mike Williams Calvin Ridley Jerry Jeudy Justin Jefferson CeeDee Lamb Brandon Aiyuk
These guys were first round picks. And that's out of 1/7 of the pool you listed.
In other words....yes, good WR's can be found all over the draft, as is true for all positions. But you have a far greater chance on hitting on one the earlier they are picked.
I'm sure everyone here realizes 12 out of the 15 players I mentioned were 2nd and 3rd rounders, right? And Tyreke Hill was only a later round selection due to off field issues. 2 of the 13 players you mentioned were on playoff teams. (And 1 of those 2 is Odell who isn't even playing) 10 of the 15 I mentioned were on playoff teams. So do 1st Round WRs really matter? Yes To pass on a top reciever when he is a dire need because of an ancient mind think that recievers are novelty toys or whatever think to not take one is potentially catastrophic in this era Especially if there is a major run between picks 1 and 2 Then we are sifting through a bunch of slowpokes and other table scraps and the offense is not going to be better Now if there is a run early then by all means take BPA somewhere else then hope and pray for round 2 value
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2021 11:21:13 GMT -5
AJ Green Julio Jones DeAndre Hopkins Mike Evans Odell Beckham Brandon Cooks Amari Cooper Mike Williams Calvin Ridley Jerry Jeudy Justin Jefferson CeeDee Lamb Brandon Aiyuk
These guys were first round picks. And that's out of 1/7 of the pool you listed.
In other words....yes, good WR's can be found all over the draft, as is true for all positions. But you have a far greater chance on hitting on one the earlier they are picked.
I'm sure everyone here realizes 12 out of the 15 players I mentioned were 2nd and 3rd rounders, right? And Tyreke Hill was only a later round selection due to off field issues. 2 of the 13 players you mentioned were on playoff teams. (And 1 of those 2 is Odell who isn't even playing) 10 of the 15 I mentioned were on playoff teams. So do 1st Round WRs really matter? Yes
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 15, 2021 11:22:53 GMT -5
AJ Green Julio Jones DeAndre Hopkins Mike Evans Odell Beckham Brandon Cooks Amari Cooper Mike Williams Calvin Ridley Jerry Jeudy Justin Jefferson CeeDee Lamb Brandon Aiyuk
These guys were first round picks. And that's out of 1/7 of the pool you listed.
In other words....yes, good WR's can be found all over the draft, as is true for all positions. But you have a far greater chance on hitting on one the earlier they are picked.
I'm sure everyone here realizes 12 out of the 15 players I mentioned were 2nd and 3rd rounders, right? And Tyreke Hill was only a later round selection due to off field issues. 2 of the 13 players you mentioned were on playoff teams. (And 1 of those 2 is Odell who isn't even playing) 10 of the 15 I mentioned were on playoff teams. So do 1st Round WRs really matter? Depends on where the team is at the time. Hard to make a first round case for WR/RB/TE but of course there are always exceptions.
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Post by Kase1 on Jan 15, 2021 17:20:11 GMT -5
I was playing around with the PFN mock draft simulator today and more than a couple times I ended up in position to grab a top 3 WR in round 1 and then Terrance Marshall WR LSU was the top guy on the board in round two. I don't see it happening but would you guys be ok if we went with one of the top 3 WRs in round 1 and then a guy like Marshall in round 2?
For me it helps they are different WRs. The first round guys are smaller/faster type WRs and Marshall is a 6'4" beast. It would completely change our offense IMO. Might cost us a good defensive player in round 2 though.
Maybe if we sign someone in FA to be our other outside CB, then I would be more keen on going WR-WR or TE-WR in the 1st and hope we can get either Patrick Jones or Hamilcar Rashed in the 3rd if we're lucky. TBH, I think both will be moving up the draft boards closer we get to draft day
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Post by imgrate on Jan 16, 2021 10:21:33 GMT -5
AJ Green Julio Jones DeAndre Hopkins Mike Evans Odell Beckham Brandon Cooks Amari Cooper Mike Williams Calvin Ridley Jerry Jeudy Justin Jefferson CeeDee Lamb Brandon Aiyuk
These guys were first round picks. And that's out of 1/7 of the pool you listed.
In other words....yes, good WR's can be found all over the draft, as is true for all positions. But you have a far greater chance on hitting on one the earlier they are picked.
I'm sure everyone here realizes 12 out of the 15 players I mentioned were 2nd and 3rd rounders, right? And Tyreke Hill was only a later round selection due to off field issues. 2 of the 13 players you mentioned were on playoff teams. (And 1 of those 2 is Odell who isn't even playing) 10 of the 15 I mentioned were on playoff teams. So do 1st Round WRs really matter? Last two Super Bowls we won we had a first round pick WR on the team.
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 16, 2021 10:40:07 GMT -5
I was playing around with the PFN mock draft simulator today and more than a couple times I ended up in position to grab a top 3 WR in round 1 and then Terrance Marshall WR LSU was the top guy on the board in round two. I don't see it happening but would you guys be ok if we went with one of the top 3 WRs in round 1 and then a guy like Marshall in round 2?
For me it helps they are different WRs. The first round guys are smaller/faster type WRs and Marshall is a 6'4" beast. It would completely change our offense IMO. Might cost us a good defensive player in round 2 though.
That would be DGs method flood the group with picks I have 0 problem with that. we are in dire need of a game changing WR, look what happened to the Texans after they let Deandre Hopkins walk, they were a damned good football team and after Hopkins left they sucked..
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 16, 2021 10:45:37 GMT -5
I'd be ok with Pitts and a WR, not 2 WR's. Marshall is the guy in round 2, but I'd prefer we take the BPA with the 11th pick. Whe you look at the second round WR’s from last year, you start to wonder if you need to use a premium first round pick on one agreed, but I think you stand a better chance of getting better quality in round 1 or 2.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 16, 2021 10:48:21 GMT -5
Golladay is a FA and read he makes the contested catches but has a hard time getting separation. Also has missed significant time due to injuries.
I say nay on him. May not be worth the $$
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 16, 2021 10:52:41 GMT -5
Here's why I hope the Giants don't take Pitts. He's a tweener right now, TE/WR. He could be a nice pick for a more well rounded team. I think the Giants need to get players that can play specific positions. Round out your team...then considered a talented tweener. wouldn't Engram fall into that tweener category, I feel that if you need a WR you go out and get one ..
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 16, 2021 11:19:49 GMT -5
Whe you look at the second round WR’s from last year, you start to wonder if you need to use a premium first round pick on one agreed, but I think you stand a better chance of getting better quality in round 1 or 2. Yeah we can't screw around here. Eff the "pass catchers are luxury items you find in the later rounds 'fogie narrative. We are in dire need, I'm not saying WR or bust because reaching if the top guys are gone you can't reach either But do not pass on one if one falls to you
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 16, 2021 11:38:46 GMT -5
That would be DGs method flood the group with picks I have 0 problem with that. we are in dire need of a game changing WR, look what happened to the Texans after they let Deandre Hopkins walk, they were a damned good football team and after Hopkins left they sucked.. 100% was reading yesterday and a few other places that if Smith and Chase are gone they are better off waiting till the second round there will still be plenty of #1 type talent. I want the WRs tho these guys study the prospects all year they know better then me.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 16, 2021 11:50:26 GMT -5
I'm sure everyone here realizes 12 out of the 15 players I mentioned were 2nd and 3rd rounders, right? And Tyreke Hill was only a later round selection due to off field issues. 2 of the 13 players you mentioned were on playoff teams. (And 1 of those 2 is Odell who isn't even playing) 10 of the 15 I mentioned were on playoff teams. So do 1st Round WRs really matter? Yes To pass on a top reciever when he is a dire need because of an ancient mind think that recievers are novelty toys or whatever think to not take one is potentially catastrophic in this era Especially if there is a major run between picks 1 and 2 Then we are sifting through a bunch of slowpokes and other table scraps and the offense is not going to be better Now if there is a run early then by all means take BPA somewhere else then hope and pray for round 2 value I need your opinion on this. Dan Schnier Big Blue Banter and Ric Sarratela Draft bible have said that if Smith and Chase are gone, Waddle and some of the others right up there are slots and the Giants should consider taking a tackle because the value lines up and WR in round 2. Their thinking they can get a jefferson type talent there. I want one in round one my question for you, you would know better then me can Waddle be a big time threat outside in the NFL. For those who want Pitts they say he will be gone and probably early.
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Post by krappdetector on Jan 16, 2021 13:05:15 GMT -5
Here's why I hope the Giants don't take Pitts. He's a tweener right now, TE/WR. He could be a nice pick for a more well rounded team. I think the Giants need to get players that can play specific positions. Round out your team...then considered a talented tweener. George Kittle 6-4, 250lb Zack Ertz 6-5, 250 Mark Andrews 6-5, 256 Are these guys tweeners also? Pitts is already taller and by next year he may outweigh them all!
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 16, 2021 13:18:45 GMT -5
Yes To pass on a top reciever when he is a dire need because of an ancient mind think that recievers are novelty toys or whatever think to not take one is potentially catastrophic in this era Especially if there is a major run between picks 1 and 2 Then we are sifting through a bunch of slowpokes and other table scraps and the offense is not going to be better Now if there is a run early then by all means take BPA somewhere else then hope and pray for round 2 value I need your opinion on this. Dan Schnier Big Blue Banter and Ric Sarratela Draft bible have said that if Smith and Chase are gone, Waddle and some of the others right up there are slots and the Giants should consider taking a tackle because the value lines up and WR in round 2. Their thinking they can get a jefferson type talent there. I want one in round one my question for you, you would know better then me can Waddle be a big time threat outside in the NFL. For those who want Pitts they say he will be gone and probably early. Waddle is basically a dynamic X factor playmaker like Tyreek Hill There is a danger taking a guy like this at 11 for 2 reasons 1.Generally a player like this needs an established weapon already on the field because it's easier to exploit mismatches Kelsey was that weapon in KC And Kittles helps Deebo Samuels get play 2.You better have a mind to always have him in position to get him the ball ... Is Barkley that established weapon? Did we sign a weapon? Id be frightened to have to wait till round 2 for a WR because we can't guarantee teams don't pick that position bare by the time we go again ..but at the same time a panic reach at 11 is just as bad.. Honestly I actually think if the playmakers are gone O line night actually be BPA And I wouldn't hate taking a guy ... Best 5 o linemen play...figure out where they are best
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 16, 2021 13:19:27 GMT -5
Here's why I hope the Giants don't take Pitts. He's a tweener right now, TE/WR. He could be a nice pick for a more well rounded team. I think the Giants need to get players that can play specific positions. Round out your team...then considered a talented tweener. George Kittle 6-4, 250lb Zack Ertz 6-5, 250 Mark Andrews 6-5, 256 Are these guys tweeners also? Pitts is already taller and by next year he may outweigh them all! I actually don’t think that Pitts has much of a chance to be there for us at 11
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Post by Jomo on Jan 16, 2021 13:21:39 GMT -5
Of our top 4 receivers next year we have more than two of them right now.
We need to find 2 more this off season. One can come from free agency.
One of the two has to be a legitimate #1 receiver. If we can get that guy, the other import plus Shepherd and a healthy Slayton would round things up much better than this past year.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 16, 2021 14:26:18 GMT -5
George Kittle 6-4, 250lb Zack Ertz 6-5, 250 Mark Andrews 6-5, 256 Are these guys tweeners also? Pitts is already taller and by next year he may outweigh them all! I actually don’t think that Pitts has much of a chance to be there for us at 11 Curious to think who ahead of us takes him? If he is taken in place of Smith or Chase it would be a good thing
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Post by McCherry on Jan 16, 2021 16:17:34 GMT -5
I think Lamb, Jeudy and Jefferson are the studs of the rookie class. Not to say there weren’t some good ones taken later on. But taking one in the first assures you get the right one. If there’s a run before you pick again in the second, you can find yourself out of luck.
Signing a guy in FA gives us some flexibility though. I’m not against that.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 16, 2021 16:19:58 GMT -5
I need your opinion on this. Dan Schnier Big Blue Banter and Ric Sarratela Draft bible have said that if Smith and Chase are gone, Waddle and some of the others right up there are slots and the Giants should consider taking a tackle because the value lines up and WR in round 2. Their thinking they can get a jefferson type talent there. I want one in round one my question for you, you would know better then me can Waddle be a big time threat outside in the NFL. For those who want Pitts they say he will be gone and probably early. Waddle is basically a dynamic X factor playmaker like Tyreek Hill There is a danger taking a guy like this at 11 for 2 reasons 1.Generally a player like this needs an established weapon already on the field because it's easier to exploit mismatches Kelsey was that weapon in KC And Kittles helps Deebo Samuels get play 2.You better have a mind to always have him in position to get him the ball ... Is Barkley that established weapon? Did we sign a weapon? Id be frightened to have to wait till round 2 for a WR because we can't guarantee teams don't pick that position bare by the time we go again ..but at the same time a panic reach at 11 is just as bad.. Honestly I actually think if the playmakers are gone O line night actually be BPA And I wouldn't hate taking a guy ... Best 5 o linemen play...figure out where they are best Yea i didn't know if I was missing something I'm like a kid in a candy store I want that WR but don't want to reach i keep going Waddle Parson with a prayer that Chase or Brown get to us , Never thought about the tackle one of them were talking about Cosmi or Slater. Thanks for the opinion I agree with it wouldn't want to be making this decision no matter who they pick there is gonna be griping.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 16, 2021 16:26:02 GMT -5
George Kittle 6-4, 250lb Zack Ertz 6-5, 250 Mark Andrews 6-5, 256 Are these guys tweeners also? Pitts is already taller and by next year he may outweigh them all! I actually don’t think that Pitts has much of a chance to be there for us at 11 I have read and heard a few draft analyst say he will be gone in the first 5 or 6. They say it is the polish he's technically excellent great hands and an excellent athlete fro his size. Put it this way he is everything EE is not don't be surprised if he gets to 11 he could be our pick Judge has gotten a ring with 2 stud TEs.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 16, 2021 18:39:11 GMT -5
I think Lamb, Jeudy and Jefferson are the studs of the rookie class. Not to say there weren’t some good ones taken later on. But taking one in the first assures you get the right one. If there’s a run before you pick again in the second, you can find yourself out of luck. Signing a guy in FA gives us some flexibility though. I’m not against that. Can't reach either
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Post by Kase1 on Jan 16, 2021 18:53:59 GMT -5
Yes To pass on a top reciever when he is a dire need because of an ancient mind think that recievers are novelty toys or whatever think to not take one is potentially catastrophic in this era Especially if there is a major run between picks 1 and 2 Then we are sifting through a bunch of slowpokes and other table scraps and the offense is not going to be better Now if there is a run early then by all means take BPA somewhere else then hope and pray for round 2 value I need your opinion on this. Dan Schnier Big Blue Banter and Ric Sarratela Draft bible have said that if Smith and Chase are gone, Waddle and some of the others right up there are slots and the Giants should consider taking a tackle because the value lines up and WR in round 2. Their thinking they can get a jefferson type talent there. I want one in round one my question for you, you would know better then me can Waddle be a big time threat outside in the NFL. For those who want Pitts they say he will be gone and probably early. Id be surprised if they took a tackle.... Well unless his last name is Sewell. If thats the case you SPRINT to the podium to make the pick!!!
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 16, 2021 18:58:59 GMT -5
I need your opinion on this. Dan Schnier Big Blue Banter and Ric Sarratela Draft bible have said that if Smith and Chase are gone, Waddle and some of the others right up there are slots and the Giants should consider taking a tackle because the value lines up and WR in round 2. Their thinking they can get a jefferson type talent there. I want one in round one my question for you, you would know better then me can Waddle be a big time threat outside in the NFL. For those who want Pitts they say he will be gone and probably early. Id be surprised if they took a tackle.... Well unless his last name is Sewell. If thats the case you SPRINT to the podium to make the pick!!! I would to. But if they did the packers today are proving why it is wise that is where games are won and lost. This is just draft analyst chatter right now DG and Mara were pretty admit about getting play makers.
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Post by Kase1 on Jan 16, 2021 19:07:17 GMT -5
Id be surprised if they took a tackle.... Well unless his last name is Sewell. If thats the case you SPRINT to the podium to make the pick!!! I would to. But if they did the packers today are proving why it is wise that is where games are won and lost. This is just draft analyst chatter right now DG and Mara were pretty admit about getting play makers. As much as I LOVE OL play, im not really WOW'ed by anyone other than Sewell. Alot of underachievers and incomplete prospects
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 16, 2021 19:19:42 GMT -5
I would to. But if they did the packers today are proving why it is wise that is where games are won and lost. This is just draft analyst chatter right now DG and Mara were pretty admit about getting play makers. As much as I LOVE OL play, im not really WOW'ed by anyone other than Sewell. Alot of underachievers and incomplete prospects The guys they mentioned were Cosmi Slater and the USC tackle. I don't mind a tackle but rather see them try later to get developmental kid. I do believe what they say tho is after Smith and Chase 11 might be better served grabbing CB or LB. And revisit Wr in round 2, I think Pitts who they say won't get past 6 or 7 would be a guy Joe Judge would be interested in seeing the Damage Hernandez and Gronk were able to do.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 16, 2021 19:25:10 GMT -5
I think Lamb, Jeudy and Jefferson are the studs of the rookie class. Not to say there weren’t some good ones taken later on. But taking one in the first assures you get the right one. If there’s a run before you pick again in the second, you can find yourself out of luck. Signing a guy in FA gives us some flexibility though. I’m not against that. Can't reach either Right. I think we're safe taking any of the top 3 at 11. But there should be a good selection that matches value in round 2 if it comes to that.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 16, 2021 19:29:22 GMT -5
Right. I think we're safe taking any of the top 3 at 11. But there should be a good selection that matches value in round 2 if it comes to that. MC - what do you think of Pitts?
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