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Post by TCHOF on Jan 16, 2021 19:33:48 GMT -5
As much as I LOVE OL play, im not really WOW'ed by anyone other than Sewell. Alot of underachievers and incomplete prospects The guys they mentioned were Cosmi Slater and the USC tackle. I don't mind a tackle but rather see them try later to get developmental kid. I do believe what they say tho is after Smith and Chase 11 might be better served grabbing CB or LB. And revisit Wr in round 2, I think Pitts who they say won't get past 6 or 7 would be a guy Joe Judge would be interested in seeing the Damage Hernandez and Gronk were able to do. Right now, our DL is a strength. Wouldn’t be a terrible thing to also turn our OL into a strength. Build a team that dominates the LOS on both sides of the ball. Concerned about heading into next season with Peart at RT after his snaps went down to nothing at the end of this season. I could be on board with WR, Pitts, CB, OT, Parsons ... will be an interesting draft
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Post by Kase1 on Jan 16, 2021 19:36:02 GMT -5
As much as I LOVE OL play, im not really WOW'ed by anyone other than Sewell. Alot of underachievers and incomplete prospects The guys they mentioned were Cosmi Slater and the USC tackle. I don't mind a tackle but rather see them try later to get developmental kid. I do believe what they say tho is after Smith and Chase 11 might be better served grabbing CB or LB. And revisit Wr in round 2, I think Pitts who they say won't get past 6 or 7 would be a guy Joe Judge would be interested in seeing the Damage Hernandez and Gronk were able to do. Only tackle prospect that interests me is that HUGE Samoan dude on Minnesota Danny Faalalee or something like that. Dude is 6'9" 400lbs and kind of reminds me of Mekhi Becton
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 16, 2021 19:43:18 GMT -5
The guys they mentioned were Cosmi Slater and the USC tackle. I don't mind a tackle but rather see them try later to get developmental kid. I do believe what they say tho is after Smith and Chase 11 might be better served grabbing CB or LB. And revisit Wr in round 2, I think Pitts who they say won't get past 6 or 7 would be a guy Joe Judge would be interested in seeing the Damage Hernandez and Gronk were able to do. Only tackle prospect that interests me is that HUGE Samoan dude on Minnesota Danny Faalalee or something like that. Dude is 6'9" 400lbs and kind of reminds me of Mekhi Becton There is also a reason there aren't many guys that size that last very long either
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 16, 2021 19:57:41 GMT -5
The guys they mentioned were Cosmi Slater and the USC tackle. I don't mind a tackle but rather see them try later to get developmental kid. I do believe what they say tho is after Smith and Chase 11 might be better served grabbing CB or LB. And revisit Wr in round 2, I think Pitts who they say won't get past 6 or 7 would be a guy Joe Judge would be interested in seeing the Damage Hernandez and Gronk were able to do. Only tackle prospect that interests me is that HUGE Samoan dude on Minnesota Danny Faalalee or something like that. Dude is 6'9" 400lbs and kind of reminds me of Mekhi Becton Slater seems like a Giants guy ... has OT/G versatility
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 16, 2021 20:01:42 GMT -5
Only tackle prospect that interests me is that HUGE Samoan dude on Minnesota Danny Faalalee or something like that. Dude is 6'9" 400lbs and kind of reminds me of Mekhi Becton Slater seems like a Giants guy ... has OT/G versatility There is no law that states that a lineman has to stay at OT because he was drafted at 11 Kirwin 101 Find your 5 best linemen Figure out who plays best where You have a great o line .. So the worst thing that happens is we have good depth sitting on the bench for a year or 2?
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 16, 2021 20:11:13 GMT -5
The guys they mentioned were Cosmi Slater and the USC tackle. I don't mind a tackle but rather see them try later to get developmental kid. I do believe what they say tho is after Smith and Chase 11 might be better served grabbing CB or LB. And revisit Wr in round 2, I think Pitts who they say won't get past 6 or 7 would be a guy Joe Judge would be interested in seeing the Damage Hernandez and Gronk were able to do. Right now, our DL is a strength. Wouldn’t be a terrible thing to also turn our OL into a strength. Build a team that dominates the LOS on both sides of the ball. Concerned about heading into next season with Peart at RT after his snaps went down to nothing at the end of this season. I could be on board with WR, Pitts, CB, OT, Parsons ... will be an interesting draft It's possible that Peart hadn't fully recovered his strength from covid, before then, he looked pretty decent, but with the way the Thomas was playing towards the end of the year, if we could shore up RT with another young player, we really could be set with bookends for years.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 16, 2021 21:09:29 GMT -5
The guys they mentioned were Cosmi Slater and the USC tackle. I don't mind a tackle but rather see them try later to get developmental kid. I do believe what they say tho is after Smith and Chase 11 might be better served grabbing CB or LB. And revisit Wr in round 2, I think Pitts who they say won't get past 6 or 7 would be a guy Joe Judge would be interested in seeing the Damage Hernandez and Gronk were able to do. Right now, our DL is a strength. Wouldn’t be a terrible thing to also turn our OL into a strength. Build a team that dominates the LOS on both sides of the ball. Concerned about heading into next season with Peart at RT after his snaps went down to nothing at the end of this season. I could be on board with WR, Pitts, CB, OT, Parsons ... will be an interesting draft Brown, Chase, or Pitts would be nice, Sertain, Farley or the big kid out of South Carolina name escapes me, Parsons and there is a number of tackles. Agree Peart seemed to struggle when he was getting snaps at the end of the year maybe it was the ankle he was dinged missed time because of it. If they don't draft tackle they could bring back Flemming and let him duke it out Peart, he should be better with an off season under his belt. I have to think that out of the 2 WRs, 1TE, 3CBs, and Parsons Plus the tackles. There will be plenty of options but prepare for some complaining especially if they go tackle.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 16, 2021 21:11:47 GMT -5
Only tackle prospect that interests me is that HUGE Samoan dude on Minnesota Danny Faalalee or something like that. Dude is 6'9" 400lbs and kind of reminds me of Mekhi Becton Slater seems like a Giants guy ... has OT/G versatility Been hiring a lot about him but haven't seen much of him sounds like a Dalton Risner type of guy.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 16, 2021 21:16:01 GMT -5
Right. I think we're safe taking any of the top 3 at 11. But there should be a good selection that matches value in round 2 if it comes to that. MC - what do you think of Pitts? I like him more every day. This isn’t just the best TE in the draft, he’s had a historic college career. He’d look great in Blue, especially if Garrett’s still here. And he fits a need if Engram is moved. Draft Pitts, trade Engram on day 2 or 3. But I agree with you that by the time the draft rolls around, Pitts stock could be so high that he could be gone before we pick. I can’t recall the last TE taken top 10, but he’s there in a few mocks I’ve seen.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 16, 2021 21:27:29 GMT -5
Only tackle prospect that interests me is that HUGE Samoan dude on Minnesota Danny Faalalee or something like that. Dude is 6'9" 400lbs and kind of reminds me of Mekhi Becton There is also a reason there aren't many guys that size that last very long either Thing is guys that size wear down Becton missed time already this guy is even bigger.
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Post by fifthavephil on Jan 16, 2021 21:34:59 GMT -5
Slater seems like a Giants guy ... has OT/G versatility Been hiring a lot about him but haven't seen much of him sounds like a Dalton Risner type of guy. I believe the Giants should draft Josh Myers in the second round. Giants , don’t have s backup center, should Gates gets injured ( short or long term ). Myers can play guard or center. Plus , Gates can be moved to RT ( + backup center ) Myers then can be the center.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 16, 2021 22:13:02 GMT -5
MC - what do you think of Pitts? I like him more every day. This isn’t just the best TE in the draft, he’s had a historic college career. He’d look great in Blue, especially if Garrett’s still here. And he fits a need if Engram is moved. Draft Pitts, trade Engram on day 2 or 3. But I agree with you that by the time the draft rolls around, Pitts stock could be so high that he could be gone before we pick. I can’t recall the last TE taken top 10, but he’s there in a few mocks I’ve seen. Agreed. if they take him, they could keep Engram for next season and just let him walk after that
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Post by te88 on Jan 16, 2021 22:17:09 GMT -5
I'd be ok with Pitts and a WR, not 2 WR's. Marshall is the guy in round 2, but I'd prefer we take the BPA with the 11th pick. Whe you look at the second round WR’s from last year, you start to wonder if you need to use a premium first round pick on one Last year was very strong WR year. That being said, the way the game is played now it wouldn’t surprise me if there is a consistent crop of WR talent every year coming out of college. This is the position athletic kids want to play
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 16, 2021 22:24:17 GMT -5
Been hiring a lot about him but haven't seen much of him sounds like a Dalton Risner type of guy. I believe the Giants should draft Josh Myers in the second round. Giants , don’t have s backup center, should Gates gets injured ( short or long term ). Myers can play guard or center. Plus , Gates can be moved to RT ( + backup center ) Myers then can be the center. Not sure they want to start over at center, with Gates he is a rising player.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 16, 2021 22:25:51 GMT -5
Whe you look at the second round WR’s from last year, you start to wonder if you need to use a premium first round pick on one Last year was very strong WR year. That being said, the way the game is played now it wouldn’t surprise me if there is a consistent crop of WR talent every year coming out of college. This is the position athletic kids want to play probably with all the spread offenses in college, on most pod cast they consider this as good if not better then last years class.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 16, 2021 22:28:28 GMT -5
I like him more every day. This isn’t just the best TE in the draft, he’s had a historic college career. He’d look great in Blue, especially if Garrett’s still here. And he fits a need if Engram is moved. Draft Pitts, trade Engram on day 2 or 3. But I agree with you that by the time the draft rolls around, Pitts stock could be so high that he could be gone before we pick. I can’t recall the last TE taken top 10, but he’s there in a few mocks I’ve seen. Agreed. if they take him, they could keep Engram for next season and just let him walk after that Teaming him and EE with Shepard Barkely Slayton and say another WR in the 2nd or 3rd round should boost the weaponry considerably.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 16, 2021 22:52:40 GMT -5
I like him more every day. This isn’t just the best TE in the draft, he’s had a historic college career. He’d look great in Blue, especially if Garrett’s still here. And he fits a need if Engram is moved. Draft Pitts, trade Engram on day 2 or 3. But I agree with you that by the time the draft rolls around, Pitts stock could be so high that he could be gone before we pick. I can’t recall the last TE taken top 10, but he’s there in a few mocks I’ve seen. Agreed. if they take him, they could keep Engram for next season and just let him walk after that Or that too. Gives you two weapons and allows Pitts to grow into the role. And gives the team insurance if Engram continues his career slide. I know Judge likes Engram, so it's hard to gauge what they'll do.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 17, 2021 8:48:14 GMT -5
The guys they mentioned were Cosmi Slater and the USC tackle. I don't mind a tackle but rather see them try later to get developmental kid. I do believe what they say tho is after Smith and Chase 11 might be better served grabbing CB or LB. And revisit Wr in round 2, I think Pitts who they say won't get past 6 or 7 would be a guy Joe Judge would be interested in seeing the Damage Hernandez and Gronk were able to do. Right now, our DL is a strength. Wouldn’t be a terrible thing to also turn our OL into a strength. Build a team that dominates the LOS on both sides of the ball. Concerned about heading into next season with Peart at RT after his snaps went down to nothing at the end of this season. I could be on board with WR, Pitts, CB, OT, Parsons ... will be an interesting draft
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Post by imgrate on Jan 17, 2021 10:07:47 GMT -5
I like him more every day. This isn’t just the best TE in the draft, he’s had a historic college career. He’d look great in Blue, especially if Garrett’s still here. And he fits a need if Engram is moved. Draft Pitts, trade Engram on day 2 or 3. But I agree with you that by the time the draft rolls around, Pitts stock could be so high that he could be gone before we pick. I can’t recall the last TE taken top 10, but he’s there in a few mocks I’ve seen. Agreed. if they take him, they could keep Engram for next season and just let him walk after that I just can't get on board with taking a "cheap" position early in the first. Getting a top notch cover guy, pass rusher, or WR saves us like 18million a year compared to getting a TE. It was the same concept with Saquon, dude was the 4th highest paid running back once he got drafted, a CB or pass rusher taken in that slot would've been like the 43rd or something crazy like that. Just bad allocation of resources in my opinion.
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 17, 2021 10:17:01 GMT -5
Agreed. if they take him, they could keep Engram for next season and just let him walk after that Or that too. Gives you two weapons and allows Pitts to grow into the role. And gives the team insurance if Engram continues his career slide. I know Judge likes Engram, so it's hard to gauge what they'll do. right now I'm thinking that Engrams best value to the team is what he can bring in a trade..
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 17, 2021 10:29:11 GMT -5
Agreed. if they take him, they could keep Engram for next season and just let him walk after that I just can't get on board with taking a "cheap" position early in the first. Getting a top notch cover guy, pass rusher, or WR saves us like 18million a year compared to getting a TE. It was the same concept with Saquon, dude was the 4th highest paid running back once he got drafted, a CB or pass rusher taken in that slot would've been like the 43rd or something crazy like that. Just bad allocation of resources in my opinion. What does it matter if you call him a TE or a WR if he is an elite receiving option and a huge matchup problem for any defense? I would agree with you if this guy was a traditional TE, but by all accounts he is a lot more than that. If he is a Kelce/Kittle type weapon, those players are not “cheap”.
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Post by imgrate on Jan 17, 2021 10:37:24 GMT -5
I just can't get on board with taking a "cheap" position early in the first. Getting a top notch cover guy, pass rusher, or WR saves us like 18million a year compared to getting a TE. It was the same concept with Saquon, dude was the 4th highest paid running back once he got drafted, a CB or pass rusher taken in that slot would've been like the 43rd or something crazy like that. Just bad allocation of resources in my opinion. What does it matter if you call him a TE or a WR if he is an elite receiving option and a huge matchup problem for any defense? I would agree with you if this guy was a traditional TE, but by all accounts he is a lot more than that. Because even those guys are "cheap". Kelce and Kittle got re-upped recently for 14.3 and 15 mill a year. There's 14 WRs that make more than that a year and most of those guys signed their deals years ago.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 17, 2021 10:45:55 GMT -5
I just can't get on board with taking a "cheap" position early in the first. Getting a top notch cover guy, pass rusher, or WR saves us like 18million a year compared to getting a TE. It was the same concept with Saquon, dude was the 4th highest paid running back once he got drafted, a CB or pass rusher taken in that slot would've been like the 43rd or something crazy like that. Just bad allocation of resources in my opinion. What does it matter if you call him a TE or a WR if he is an elite receiving option and a huge matchup problem for any defense? I would agree with you if this guy was a traditional TE, but by all accounts he is a lot more than that. If he is a Kelce/Kittle type weapon, those players are not “cheap”. He's an elite receiving option? This is known? Isn't what they said about Engram?
I'm sorry but e TE taken that high had better be able to contribute to the running game. In other words, he needs to be able to block AND catch the ball. Otherwise he's just a "hybrid" and that's too rich a draft position to take that kind of chance.
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Post by imgrate on Jan 17, 2021 10:48:40 GMT -5
What does it matter if you call him a TE or a WR if he is an elite receiving option and a huge matchup problem for any defense? I would agree with you if this guy was a traditional TE, but by all accounts he is a lot more than that. If he is a Kelce/Kittle type weapon, those players are not “cheap”. He's an elite receiving option? This is known? Isn't what they said about Engram?
I'm sorry but e TE taken that high had better be able to contribute to the running game. In other words, he needs to be able to block AND catch the ball. Otherwise he's just a "hybrid" and that's too rich a draft position to take that kind of chance.
To be fair, you have to make some assumptions about how good of a player the guy would be...because otherwise the same could be said about any player of any position drafted with that pick.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 17, 2021 10:50:39 GMT -5
He's an elite receiving option? This is known? Isn't what they said about Engram?
I'm sorry but e TE taken that high had better be able to contribute to the running game. In other words, he needs to be able to block AND catch the ball. Otherwise he's just a "hybrid" and that's too rich a draft position to take that kind of chance.
To be fair, you have to make some assumptions about how good of a player the guy would be...because otherwise the same could be said about any player of any position drafted with that pick. That's why the only way he would be worth that high of a pick is if he was a "complete" TE. That means he needs to be able to move people.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 17, 2021 10:50:56 GMT -5
What does it matter if you call him a TE or a WR if he is an elite receiving option and a huge matchup problem for any defense? I would agree with you if this guy was a traditional TE, but by all accounts he is a lot more than that. If he is a Kelce/Kittle type weapon, those players are not “cheap”. He's an elite receiving option? This is known? Isn't what they said about Engram?
I'm sorry but e TE taken that high had better be able to contribute to the running game. In other words, he needs to be able to block AND catch the ball. Otherwise he's just a "hybrid" and that's too rich a draft position to take that kind of chance.
“If” As I have said numerous times, I am by no means a scout. Just making the case
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 17, 2021 10:58:27 GMT -5
He's an elite receiving option? This is known? Isn't what they said about Engram?
I'm sorry but e TE taken that high had better be able to contribute to the running game. In other words, he needs to be able to block AND catch the ball. Otherwise he's just a "hybrid" and that's too rich a draft position to take that kind of chance.
“If” As I have said numerous times, I am by no means a scout. Just making the case I have no idea what this guy can be. I have never seen him play. I'm just expressing my view on the value of a TE that early. In my view they need to be complete TE's, not just pass catchers.
That's just my opinion.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 17, 2021 11:46:52 GMT -5
To be fair, you have to make some assumptions about how good of a player the guy would be...because otherwise the same could be said about any player of any position drafted with that pick. That's why the only way he would be worth that high of a pick is if he was a "complete" TE. That means he needs to be able to move people. Devils advocate (because my opinion fluctuates on an hourly basis with not only him but Waddle) 3 years from now if he is averaging 95 catches for 1250 yards and 12 TDs a year as a hybrid big bodied slot type playmaker that moves around,does enough blocking in a secondary role and is one of the catalysts for our in 3 years top 3 overall offense that averages 30 points a game and a perennial super bowl contender will you be complaining if he was taken at 11 because he wasn't a traditional type TE? I'm not saying this is his future as nobody knows. If Judge and tbe offensive staff are jumping up and down like a lunatic saying he is that kind of different maker then we kinda have to trust the process Same thing witb Waddle..
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 17, 2021 11:52:44 GMT -5
That's why the only way he would be worth that high of a pick is if he was a "complete" TE. That means he needs to be able to move people. Devils advocate (because my opinion fluctuates on an hourly basis with not only him but Waddle) 3 years from now if he is averaging 95 catches for 1250 yards and 12 TDs a year as a hybrid big bodied slot type playmaker that moves around,does enough blocking in a secondary role and is one of the catalysts for our in 3 years top 3 overall offense that averages 30 points a game and a perennial super bowl contender will you be complaining if he was taken at 11 because he wasn't a traditional type TE? I'm not saying this is his future as nobody knows. If Judge and tbe offensive staff are jumping up and down like a lunatic saying he is that kind of different maker then we kinda have to trust the process Same thing witb Waddle.. Just looking back in my head, it seems the "miss rate" on first round TE's may be higher than any other position.
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Post by Kase1 on Jan 17, 2021 11:52:45 GMT -5
Only tackle prospect that interests me is that HUGE Samoan dude on Minnesota Danny Faalalee or something like that. Dude is 6'9" 400lbs and kind of reminds me of Mekhi Becton There is also a reason there aren't many guys that size that last very long either Because they go into professional wrestling??
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