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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 29, 2021 11:10:39 GMT -5
The general manager no question. His job is to construct an NFL roster, its part of his job requirements. A head coaches job has always been to coach the team. The word “collaborate” is very popular around here. And it’s true when discussing this franchise. However, at the end of the day the GM is the man who makes the final decision on what player is selected. yeah but his final decison shoudl be based on a heavy collaberation with the HC, DC and OC along with the scouts. I make decisions at my job but its based on lots of things especially input form others that know what is needed. Which I'm reasonably confident is how it is done by the NYG.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 29, 2021 11:11:51 GMT -5
This whole offseason has been to help Jones. Signing Golladay, Rudolph, Ross, Booker, two offensive lineman, they even picked up a young hot shot assistant in Russ Callaway. This offseason should be called “In Jones we must help.” or maybe they should have done a better job of it since 2019. Then this off season wouldn't have to be the mad rush that it is See my butterfly effect for bypassing a guy like AJ Brown late 1st or staying there at 37 in addition to taking Slater in 2019 that caused this domino effect...
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Post by GameTime on Apr 29, 2021 11:15:23 GMT -5
or maybe they should have done a better job of it since 2019. Then this off season wouldn't have to be the mad rush that it is See my butterfly effect for bypassing a guy like AJ Brown late 1st or staying there at 37 in addition to taking Slater in 2019 that caused this domino effect... and so on and so on. You could make that statement no matter what. I mean the domino effect. this is 2021 and all they can control is what they do at all and even that will be dictated by the previous 10 picks.
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 29, 2021 11:24:35 GMT -5
This whole offseason has been to help Jones. Signing Golladay, Rudolph, Ross, Booker, two offensive lineman, they even picked up a young hot shot assistant in Russ Callaway. This offseason should be called “ In Jones we must help.” do you have a title for what they did for Eli the last few years of his career? Eli need help? How about an; - Eli Apple who sulks? - an Engram who can’t block and occasionally makes a catch between tipping the ball to defenders? - we’re sending your top receiver to Cleveland for a safety but you still have Shepard - we couldn’t afford a guard but try this Omameh on for size - now we have money so here is Solder - can you teach Daniel Jones how to take a snap from under center?
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Post by jaymas on Apr 29, 2021 11:36:47 GMT -5
If Gettleman is all over Parsons after getting burned on Baker, he is dumber than I thought. I think he is a terrible GM, but I understand the intrigue here. Baker apparently was lazy and falling asleep at meetings. A huge red flag for a prospect in their determination to be great and preparation to understand a playbook. Parsons isnt that. Im not writing off or excusing his red flags because they are big, but he isnt a "lazy" or "undisciplined" player concern. His red flag is maturity. Its hazing. Its bullying. Still bad and worthy of concern for sure, but not like what Baker was. Well said
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 29, 2021 11:43:34 GMT -5
We are going to see who has the biggest voice in the room This isn't going to be a unanimous or near unanimous consensus at 11 If this is true and this is Gettlemens guy he will have one person on his side for sure and that would be Graham if they are convinced this guy turned the corner attitude wise. Still think at the end of the day if Smith is there he is the pick he's clean and has 0 question marks except for size as if that really matters. He has produced at that size his whole life.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 29, 2021 11:48:35 GMT -5
This whole offseason has been to help Jones. Signing Golladay, Rudolph, Ross, Booker, two offensive lineman, they even picked up a young hot shot assistant in Russ Callaway. This offseason should be called “In Jones we must help.” or maybe they should have done a better job of it since 2019. Then this off season wouldn't have to be the mad rush that it is Who should we have signed in 2019? Tate was the best option out there. Not to mention we had a glutton of positions to fill on both sides of the ball.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 29, 2021 11:48:59 GMT -5
If you guys were the owner, who makes the final call for you on the pick (forget about the names Gettleman and Judge for a second)? The GM whose job it is to make the pick or the HC who knows what is best for his system? Its up to the HC to make sure the GM knows the system and the type of players that fit. the GM says " hey coach what about these players. Which ones do you like for your system?" the final say is by the GM but its critically based on collaborative effort. If I was the owner I wouldnt want it any other way. That is exactly how Rivera described it he said the front office people would come to him and the coaches with list of guys for them to study and the staff would make a decision who they wanted or fit best think he may have been talking free agency at the time tho.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 29, 2021 11:55:16 GMT -5
The general manager no question. His job is to construct an NFL roster, its part of his job requirements. A head coaches job has always been to coach the team. The word “collaborate” is very popular around here. And it’s true when discussing this franchise. However, at the end of the day the GM is the man who makes the final decision on what player is selected. yeah but his final decison shoudl be based on a heavy collaberation with the HC, DC and OC along with the scouts. I make decisions at my job but its based on lots of things especially input form others that know what is needed. I'm sure it is you can tell the difference of type of player s drafted between Shurmurs 2 years and the type they went after with Judge in charge. I think the Board breaks disputes and ties then it goes to highest graded player. They don't do a year of research so one guy can make the decisions.
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Post by Delicreep on Apr 29, 2021 11:59:19 GMT -5
It's Joes team now, as I understand it...who cares what Dave thinks!
...of course if it's a bad pick, I reserve the right to adjust that thinking.
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 29, 2021 12:17:48 GMT -5
This whole offseason has been to help Jones. Signing Golladay, Rudolph, Ross, Booker, two offensive lineman, they even picked up a young hot shot assistant in Russ Callaway. This offseason should be called “ In Jones we must help.” do you have a title for what they did for Eli the last few years of his career? Eli need help? How about an; - Eli Apple who sulks? - an Engram who can’t block and occasionally makes a catch between tipping the ball to defenders? - we’re sending your top receiver to Cleveland for a safety but you still have Shepard - we couldn’t afford a guard but try this Omameh on for size - now we have money so here is Solder - can you teach Daniel Jones how to take a snap from under center? “Stop, drop and roll.” Eli at the end of his career had the agility of a lamp post, and the athleticism of road kill. Legendary player, but he was spoiled milk at the tail end of his career.
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 29, 2021 12:20:47 GMT -5
or maybe they should have done a better job of it since 2019. Then this off season wouldn't have to be the mad rush that it is Who should we have signed in 2019? Tate was the best option out there. Not to mention we had a glutton of positions to fill on both sides of the ball. Draft better. And you don’t have to take a flyer on an aging player. You don’t trade in your Lamborghini, and drive out the lot in a Maxima.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 29, 2021 12:23:38 GMT -5
Who should we have signed in 2019? Tate was the best option out there. Not to mention we had a glutton of positions to fill on both sides of the ball. Draft better. And you don’t have to take a flyer on an aging player. You don’t trade in your Lamborghini, and drive out the lot in a Maxima. Or try to replace Strawberry with Bonilla 2.0 And WR was just a big need as any ... Would have been better off not signing Tate and drafting AJ Brown or someone
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2021 12:27:26 GMT -5
What about Waddle? Like what you see with Tyreek Hill? Same kind of speed, big play receiver.
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Post by southerner on Apr 29, 2021 12:28:51 GMT -5
This is the NY Giants guys.....the real answer is probably someone other Parsons or Smith. Anyone who believes anything coming out in the media before the draft, especially a day before the draft is someone that will be fooled on draft day. There is no way for King to know who each guy “likes”....silly article and Judge and Gettleman WILL be together on the move made at pick 11, and that includes trading back.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 29, 2021 12:30:08 GMT -5
What about Waddle? Like what you see with Tyreek Hill? Same kind of speed, big play receiver. That's what I see But some of the more goober minded relics scattered amongst our fan base are allergic to having a player like this on this team
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 29, 2021 12:32:41 GMT -5
Draft better. And you don’t have to take a flyer on an aging player. You don’t trade in your Lamborghini, and drive out the lot in a Maxima. Or try to replace Strawberry with Bonilla 2.0 And WR was just a big need as any ... Would have been better off not signing Tate and drafting AJ Brown or someone Bobby Bonilla. Just 14 more years till the Mets finally have him off their payroll. I understood the trade of Beckham, hated it. But, understood their logic behind it. I don’t believe in “addition by subtraction.” Unless you replace that player with equal value.
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Post by Kase1 on Apr 29, 2021 12:33:00 GMT -5
I wonder if Parsons even makes it to 11. Good chance he doesn't. Interesting to see that 2 of the 3 names mentioned are defense in Parsons and Horn. 99% here think offense. I dont see him making it past Denver ....I sure HOPE he doesnt make it past Denver
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 29, 2021 12:35:27 GMT -5
do you have a title for what they did for Eli the last few years of his career? Eli need help? How about an; - Eli Apple who sulks? - an Engram who can’t block and occasionally makes a catch between tipping the ball to defenders? - we’re sending your top receiver to Cleveland for a safety but you still have Shepard - we couldn’t afford a guard but try this Omameh on for size - now we have money so here is Solder - can you teach Daniel Jones how to take a snap from under center? “Stop, drop and roll.” Eli at the end of his career had the agility of a lamp post, and the athleticism of road kill. Legendary player, but he was spoiled milk at the tail end of his career. Inside sources told me the “omaha” call translation was actually “help” and when yelled at a higher pitch with a was “(blanking)HELP”
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 29, 2021 12:36:47 GMT -5
Or try to replace Strawberry with Bonilla 2.0 And WR was just a big need as any ... Would have been better off not signing Tate and drafting AJ Brown or someone Bobby Bonilla. Just 14 more years till the Mets finally have him off their payroll. I understood the trade of Beckham, hated it. But, understood their logic behind it. I don’t believe in “addition by subtraction.” Unless you replace that player with equal value. This 100% And the fans that didn't even want to use major resources to replace his production the last 2 years got exactly what they wanted... A feeble goober level passing attack that opposing defenses laughed at ... It was the very 1979 era football these fans wanted to go back to.. Defense play their asses off and watched the offense look like 2 turtles ****ing in the middle of the field
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Post by southerner on Apr 29, 2021 12:48:23 GMT -5
Or try to replace Strawberry with Bonilla 2.0 And WR was just a big need as any ... Would have been better off not signing Tate and drafting AJ Brown or someone Bobby Bonilla. Just 14 more years till the Mets finally have him off their payroll. I understood the trade of Beckham, hated it. But, understood their logic behind it. I don’t believe in “addition by subtraction.” Unless you replace that player with equal value. As it turned out trading OBJ was the right move. Odell has been injured nearly his entire time in Cleveland. TheirGM got fired, in part, because of that very trade.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Apr 29, 2021 12:53:43 GMT -5
All I know is, if D Smith is there for the taking and they don't take him, we get to probably see him twice every season with the Eagles. To me, he is every bit the "touched by the hand of God" player that Saquon was considered to be, maybe even more so considering his accomplishments.
You have to take him if he is there...
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Post by vinnie on Apr 29, 2021 13:14:47 GMT -5
If there is an offensive and defensive player ranked relatively close together, I would think DG would be pushing for the offensive player simply to help Jones in every way possible. DG knows that a large part of his overall success as GM will be determined on how well DJ does and not only are there still questions all over the O line but I’m not sure Barkley and Galloday will take that offense from 31st to top 10 or 15, even taking into consideration the O line has a little more experience and it will be JG’s second year. I think Gettleman would do everything he can to help Jones succeed in every way possible because so far he’s failed miserably at doing that and it reflects badly on on him. Whether that means taking another O lineman or WR in the first, I couldn’t tell you but I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s his mindset. Having said that, this is the same GM that prioritized fixing the O line and used the 2nd overall pick on a RB. Same guy who reached for a QB with the 6th overall pick and still had no O line in place, took 3 years to add a true #1 WR and possibly picked the worst of the 4 LT’s last year when he had his choice of the litter. Oh, and Hernandez hasn’t delivered as he was supposed to and we have the worst graded pass blocking guard along with an unknown at the other guard position. As much as I would like to see us draft a defenseman, I just don’t see the value (unless Horn, Surtain or Parsons) and our offense still has a lot to be desired whereas Smith, Waddle, Slater could improve the offense drastically and immediately. Why wouldnt JJ have the same motivation? Anyone who knows anything about the Giants knows the O needs more help than the D. Having said that, my personal opinion is you go for BPA in the first round, not for need. I believe all the spending in FA this year was partly to set them up to allow for this. If that’s the same motivation for everyone great, then we should all be po’d if they draft Paye and not hear how it’s a collaborative effort because if it is then they are all guilty of not realizing how bad this offense is and also giving DJ the most possible help so we have a much better idea whether or not he’s the future QB of this franchise.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 29, 2021 13:16:42 GMT -5
Why wouldnt JJ have the same motivation? Anyone who knows anything about the Giants knows the O needs more help than the D. Having said that, my personal opinion is you go for BPA in the first round, not for need. I believe all the spending in FA this year was partly to set them up to allow for this. If that’s the same motivation for everyone great, then we should all be po’d if they draft Paye and not hear how it’s a collaborative effort because if it is then they are all guilty of not realizing how bad this offense is and also giving DJ the most possible help so we have a much better idea whether or not he’s the future QB of this franchise. Not to mention Paye for every reason that has been discussed here is just a bad fit for this defense no matter how a few want to Pollyanna Polly sugar coat a reach for this guy at 11
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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 29, 2021 13:18:12 GMT -5
Bobby Bonilla. Just 14 more years till the Mets finally have him off their payroll. I understood the trade of Beckham, hated it. But, understood their logic behind it. I don’t believe in “addition by subtraction.” Unless you replace that player with equal value. As it turned out trading OBJ was the right move. Odell has been injured nearly his entire time in Cleveland. TheirGM got fired, in part, because of that very trade. The Browns are now a solid team. They've been rebuilding since 2015 when Brown started the ball rolling in the right direction. If Beckham is healthy this year and can learn how to be a part of a team, the Browns could be very, very good.
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Post by vinnie on Apr 29, 2021 13:27:04 GMT -5
and thats the bottom line. every potential franchise QB needs all the help they can get. That has to be the focus and if it isnt then the QB will likely fail as will the offense This whole offseason has been to help Jones. Signing Golladay, Rudolph, Ross, Booker, two offensive lineman, they even picked up a young hot shot assistant in Russ Callaway. This offseason should be called “In Jones we must help.” What two offensive lineman have we added wince last year that are better than what we had? If Solder plays like he did before opting out, he’ll be a drop off from Flemming. Zeitler had a down year but I think his presence will be missed and certainly not easily replaced unless they get someone like Slater. A lot of people just assume our O line will be better because it’s their second year. That didn’t work out so well during Hernandez’s second year or Solders second year, both regressed. Lemieux was the worst pass blocking guard in the league and we’re supposed to have confidence that he’ll suddenly go from the worst to adequate? I don’t. Now there’s videos of Hernandez working out so we’re supposed to believe he’s going to return to his rookie form? I don’t. The only two players on the O line I feel relatively confident in are Gates and Thomas, even Thomas needs to show more consistency. The scariest part is some fans tell me we should trust the FO, they have a better idea of how the O line is doing then we do. Really? The same GM who thought drafting a RB with the 2nd overall pick was a good idea because he thought the O line was adequate? The same FO that has not had a good O line in over a decade? I trust results and so far I haven’t seen it on the O line. I realize not every coach/FO personnel are the same that have been part of this mess for years but if it’s truly a collaborative effort, as some people suggest, then Judge can’t change it himself. Not to mention, I like Judge but I’m not as high on him as some after only one year. If he’s so great at evaluating O line talent why did we end up with the worst of the 4 LT’s (I understand that could change) but it wasn’t a good start.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2021 13:33:17 GMT -5
This whole offseason has been to help Jones. Signing Golladay, Rudolph, Ross, Booker, two offensive lineman, they even picked up a young hot shot assistant in Russ Callaway. This offseason should be called “In Jones we must help.” What two offensive lineman have we added wince last year that are better than what we had? If Solder plays like he did before opting out, he’ll be a drop off from Flemming. Zeitler had a down year but I think his presence will be missed and certainly not easily replaced unless they get someone like Slater. A lot of people just assume our O line will be better because it’s their second year. That didn’t work out so well during Hernandez’s second year or Solders second year, both regressed. Lemieux was the worst pass blocking guard in the league and we’re supposed to have confidence that he’ll suddenly go from the worst to adequate? I don’t. Now there’s videos of Hernandez working out so we’re supposed to believe he’s going to return to his rookie form? I don’t. The only two players on the O line I feel relatively confident in are Gates and Thomas, even Thomas needs to show more consistency. The scariest part is some fans tell me we should trust the FO, they have a better idea of how the O line is doing then we do. Really? The same GM who thought drafting a RB with the 2nd overall pick was a good idea because he thought the O line was adequate? The same FO that has not had a good O line in over a decade? I trust results and so far I haven’t seen it on the O line. I realize not every coach/FO personnel are the same that have been part of this mess for years but if it’s truly a collaborative effort, as some people suggest, then Judge can’t change it himself. Not to mention, I like Judge but I’m not as high on him as some after only one year. If he’s so great at evaluating O line talent why did we end up with the worst of the 4 LT’s (I understand that could change) but it wasn’t a good start. Welcome to the shit show called the Giants football team brought to you by Dave Gettleman.. Sad times..
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 29, 2021 13:35:00 GMT -5
This whole offseason has been to help Jones. Signing Golladay, Rudolph, Ross, Booker, two offensive lineman, they even picked up a young hot shot assistant in Russ Callaway. This offseason should be called “In Jones we must help.” What two offensive lineman have we added wince last year that are better than what we had? If Solder plays like he did before opting out, he’ll be a drop off from Flemming. Zeitler had a down year but I think his presence will be missed and certainly not easily replaced unless they get someone like Slater. A lot of people just assume our O line will be better because it’s their second year. That didn’t work out so well during Hernandez’s second year or Solders second year, both regressed. Lemieux was the worst pass blocking guard in the league and we’re supposed to have confidence that he’ll suddenly go from the worst to adequate? I don’t. Now there’s videos of Hernandez working out so we’re supposed to believe he’s going to return to his rookie form? I don’t. The only two players on the O line I feel relatively confident in are Gates and Thomas, even Thomas needs to show more consistency. The scariest part is some fans tell me we should trust the FO, they have a better idea of how the O line is doing then we do. Really? The same GM who thought drafting a RB with the 2nd overall pick was a good idea because he thought the O line was adequate? The same FO that has not had a good O line in over a decade? I trust results and so far I haven’t seen it on the O line. I realize not every coach/FO personnel are the same that have been part of this mess for years but if it’s truly a collaborative effort, as some people suggest, then Judge can’t change it himself. Not to mention, I like Judge but I’m not as high on him as some after only one year. If he’s so great at evaluating O line talent why did we end up with the worst of the 4 LT’s (I understand that could change) but it wasn’t a good start. Better? That has yet to be seen. My point is, we added Zach Fulton and Jonotthan Harrison. Not household names, nor players who will be an immediate upgrade. But, they added depth at a position that desperately needed it. You got the wrong fan if you think I’m satisfied with the offensive line, I think they’re still a work in progress. However, in the draft I’m leaning towards Parsons or offensive line. This whole offseason has been fixing and helping the growth of our quarterback. Now, I want to help the overall team. Not just one facet of it.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 29, 2021 13:41:12 GMT -5
We are going to see who has the biggest voice in the room This isn't going to be a unanimous or near unanimous consensus at 11 So... a scenario;
Judge wants Smith, Getty wants Parsons. Judge says to Getty "Get me Smith!" Getty "I'm the GM and I'm drafting Parsons" and he does.. Pisses off Judge..How long do you think Judge lasts in the org after that? Especially if Smith shines elsewhere and Parsons becomes another Deandre Baker
How about if Parsons becomes another Devin Busch and Smith gets hurt like their afraid of ? Glass half full or half empty ?
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 29, 2021 13:45:43 GMT -5
If you guys were the owner, who makes the final call for you on the pick (forget about the names Gettleman and Judge for a second)? The GM whose job it is to make the pick or the HC who knows what is best for his system? HC. If I'm the GM I'm going with what my coach wants. He's the one that will be working with the player. I mean how many years did we have to go through this with George Young and Bill Parcells. Though Parcells made it work with Youngs picks. I actually had more faith in Young personally. We seen Parcells picks fail in N.E. and Dallas.
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