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Post by vinnie on Apr 29, 2021 13:48:59 GMT -5
or maybe they should have done a better job of it since 2019. Then this off season wouldn't have to be the mad rush that it is Who should we have signed in 2019? Tate was the best option out there. Not to mention we had a glutton of positions to fill on both sides of the ball. This is the same as the Solder excuse. We weren’t winning any championships with or without Solder so why overpay for an average to below average LT when there are so many other positions. Instead of getting Tate why didn’t we go after someone like Trent Brown? Could have gone for Saffold at guard as well. or Shoring up the O line would have gone a lot further towards the success of both Barkley and Jones instead of paying an aged receiver. I doesn’t do much good for any receiver if the QB doesn’t have time to get him the ball. Once again, Dave did the opposite of what he said he would do and instead of building from the inside out, he literally built from the outside in thus wasting prime years and contracts of the skill positions because the RB had nowhere to run, the QB didn’t have time to throw and the receivers didn’t have time to get open because the O line was and may still be one of the worst in the league going 4 years in DG’s run as GM.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2021 13:55:10 GMT -5
Who should we have signed in 2019? Tate was the best option out there. Not to mention we had a glutton of positions to fill on both sides of the ball. This is the same as the Solder excuse. We weren’t winning any championships with or without Solder so why overpay for an average to below average LT when there are so many other positions. Instead of getting Tate why didn’t we go after someone like Trent Brown? Could have gone for Saffold at guard as well. or Shoring up the O line would have gone a lot further towards the success of both Barkley and Jones instead of paying an aged receiver. I doesn’t do much good for any receiver if the QB doesn’t have time to get him the ball. Once again, Dave did the opposite of what he said he would do and instead of building from the inside out, he literally built from the outside in thus wasting prime years and contracts of the skill positions because the RB had nowhere to run, the QB didn’t have time to throw and the receivers didn’t have time to get open because the O line was and may still be one of the worst in the league going 4 years in DG’s run as GM. I really thought they were going to draft DJ Metcalf when they traded up in 19 but instead they picked a player who was cut the next year..
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Post by vinnie on Apr 29, 2021 13:56:39 GMT -5
What two offensive lineman have we added wince last year that are better than what we had? If Solder plays like he did before opting out, he’ll be a drop off from Flemming. Zeitler had a down year but I think his presence will be missed and certainly not easily replaced unless they get someone like Slater. A lot of people just assume our O line will be better because it’s their second year. That didn’t work out so well during Hernandez’s second year or Solders second year, both regressed. Lemieux was the worst pass blocking guard in the league and we’re supposed to have confidence that he’ll suddenly go from the worst to adequate? I don’t. Now there’s videos of Hernandez working out so we’re supposed to believe he’s going to return to his rookie form? I don’t. The only two players on the O line I feel relatively confident in are Gates and Thomas, even Thomas needs to show more consistency. The scariest part is some fans tell me we should trust the FO, they have a better idea of how the O line is doing then we do. Really? The same GM who thought drafting a RB with the 2nd overall pick was a good idea because he thought the O line was adequate? The same FO that has not had a good O line in over a decade? I trust results and so far I haven’t seen it on the O line. I realize not every coach/FO personnel are the same that have been part of this mess for years but if it’s truly a collaborative effort, as some people suggest, then Judge can’t change it himself. Not to mention, I like Judge but I’m not as high on him as some after only one year. If he’s so great at evaluating O line talent why did we end up with the worst of the 4 LT’s (I understand that could change) but it wasn’t a good start. Better? That has yet to be seen. My point is, we added Zach Fulton and Jonotthan Harrison. Not household names, nor players who will be an immediate upgrade. But, they added depth at a position that desperately needed it. You got the wrong fan if you think I’m satisfied with the offensive line, I think they’re still a work in progress. However, in the draft I’m leaning towards Parsons or offensive line. This whole offseason has been fixing and helping the growth of our quarterback. Now, I want to help the overall team. Not just one facet of it. I hear ya and I didn’t mean to come across as coming after you, we’re on the same page with most thoughts. As much as I would like to see Parsons, I question his attitude based on interviews I’ve read but would have a little more faith since our coaching staff has some history with him. I also don’t trust our O line at all, Parsons or a WR would be a lot more exciting but I can’t stand going through another year of piss poor blocking and listening to the optimists tell me to “just wait” for the 4th year in a row. I’m not a big Jones fan but he has also had less than ideal circumstances to deal with so it’s only fair to him to and to the rest of the team to see if he is our answer of the future. We all saw what happened to Mahomes without 2 starting tackles and right now we have a second year tackle that is still cause for concern and either a veteran RT that was close to tied for the lead in pressures allowed last time he played or a 2nd year 3rd round draft pick. Not a single one of those 3 options gives me any confidence and that doesn’t even include our guard situation. Again, hopefully I’m proven wrong but if history is any indicator I have no reason to be optimistic about the O line if they don’t make some worthwhile O line picks in the draft.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Apr 29, 2021 14:01:54 GMT -5
To me the biggest weakness on this team is the offense, I think most would agree. Yes we signed Golladay, Ross and Rudolph, which was a definite step in the right direction.
However Rudolph needs surgery, Ross has missed a lot of playing time due to injuries and Golladay has recently as well. I know injuries happen, I get it. All the more reason why we should not be done with acquiring offensive weapons, especially one like D Smith if he is there.
SS is a slot/possession receiver, with several concussions under his belt. Slayton did not look like a #2 last season, maybe in part because he was the only real deep threat on the team.
If a player like Smith is there at #11, and you have a chance to add a player who could truly be the final piece of the offense, how do you pass him up?
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 29, 2021 14:02:23 GMT -5
Better? That has yet to be seen. My point is, we added Zach Fulton and Jonotthan Harrison. Not household names, nor players who will be an immediate upgrade. But, they added depth at a position that desperately needed it. You got the wrong fan if you think I’m satisfied with the offensive line, I think they’re still a work in progress. However, in the draft I’m leaning towards Parsons or offensive line. This whole offseason has been fixing and helping the growth of our quarterback. Now, I want to help the overall team. Not just one facet of it. I hear ya and I didn’t mean to come across as coming after you, we’re on the same page with most thoughts. As much as I would like to see Parsons, I question his attitude based on interviews I’ve read but would have a little more faith since our coaching staff has some history with him. I also don’t trust our O line at all, Parsons or a WR would be a lot more exciting but I can’t stand going through another year of piss poor blocking and listening to the optimists tell me to “just wait” for the 4th year in a row. I’m not a big Jones fan but he has also had less than ideal circumstances to deal with so it’s only fair to him to and to the rest of the team to see if he is our answer of the future. We all saw what happened to Mahomes without 2 starting tackles and right now we have a second year tackle that is still cause for concern and either a veteran RT that was close to tied for the lead in pressures allowed last time he played or a 2nd year 3rd round draft pick. Not a single one of those 3 options gives me any confidence and that doesn’t even include our guard situation. Again, hopefully I’m proven wrong but if history is any indicator I have no reason to be optimistic about the O line if they don’t make some worthwhile O line picks in the draft. We drafted Andrew Thomas last year 4th overall. We drafted Matt Peart in the 3rd round. We gave Nick Gates an extension, and drafted Hernandez in the 2nd round, and Lemieux in the 5th. We also traded for and now relaxed Kevin Zeitler. It comes to a point, these guys have to play like professionals. If not, it has been a colossal waste of resources and time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2021 14:05:15 GMT -5
I hear ya and I didn’t mean to come across as coming after you, we’re on the same page with most thoughts. As much as I would like to see Parsons, I question his attitude based on interviews I’ve read but would have a little more faith since our coaching staff has some history with him. I also don’t trust our O line at all, Parsons or a WR would be a lot more exciting but I can’t stand going through another year of piss poor blocking and listening to the optimists tell me to “just wait” for the 4th year in a row. I’m not a big Jones fan but he has also had less than ideal circumstances to deal with so it’s only fair to him to and to the rest of the team to see if he is our answer of the future. We all saw what happened to Mahomes without 2 starting tackles and right now we have a second year tackle that is still cause for concern and either a veteran RT that was close to tied for the lead in pressures allowed last time he played or a 2nd year 3rd round draft pick. Not a single one of those 3 options gives me any confidence and that doesn’t even include our guard situation. Again, hopefully I’m proven wrong but if history is any indicator I have no reason to be optimistic about the O line if they don’t make some worthwhile O line picks in the draft. We drafted Andrew Thomas last year 4th overall. We drafted Matt Peart in the 3rd round. We gave Nick Gates an extension, and drafted Hernandez in the 2nd round, and Lemieux in the 5th. We also traded for and now relaxed Kevin Zeitler. It comes to a point, these guys have to play like professionals. If not, it has been a colossal waste of resources and time. That would be Hernandez Bob..
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Post by vinnie on Apr 29, 2021 14:07:24 GMT -5
I hear ya and I didn’t mean to come across as coming after you, we’re on the same page with most thoughts. As much as I would like to see Parsons, I question his attitude based on interviews I’ve read but would have a little more faith since our coaching staff has some history with him. I also don’t trust our O line at all, Parsons or a WR would be a lot more exciting but I can’t stand going through another year of piss poor blocking and listening to the optimists tell me to “just wait” for the 4th year in a row. I’m not a big Jones fan but he has also had less than ideal circumstances to deal with so it’s only fair to him to and to the rest of the team to see if he is our answer of the future. We all saw what happened to Mahomes without 2 starting tackles and right now we have a second year tackle that is still cause for concern and either a veteran RT that was close to tied for the lead in pressures allowed last time he played or a 2nd year 3rd round draft pick. Not a single one of those 3 options gives me any confidence and that doesn’t even include our guard situation. Again, hopefully I’m proven wrong but if history is any indicator I have no reason to be optimistic about the O line if they don’t make some worthwhile O line picks in the draft. We drafted Andrew Thomas last year 4th overall. We drafted Matt Peart in the 3rd round. We gave Nick Gates an extension, and drafted Hernandez in the 2nd round, and Lemieux in the 5th. We also traded for and now relaxed Kevin Zeitler. It comes to a point, these guys have to play like professionals. If not, it has been a colossal waste of resources and time. That’s true but after hearing for 4 years how great Gettleman was at drafting O linemen I’m ready to call that myth busted. Based on the guys he signed through FA, or drafting, and thinking he had an adequate line when he drafted Barkley I question whether he’s even worth a damn at evaluating O line talent because it’s been nothing but a circus up front.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 29, 2021 14:12:13 GMT -5
If I'm the GM I'm going with what my coach wants. He's the one that will be working with the player. I mean how many years did we have to go through this with George Young and Bill Parcells. Though Parcells made it work with Youngs picks. I actually had more faith in Young personally. We seen Parcells picks fail in N.E. and Dallas. Young was the reason Parcells quit post draft 1991..I mean A fullback in the 1st? In 1991 when the position was already being reduced to a lead blocker that touched it maybe 5 times at most a game ? And Parcells built the team that was close in 2007 we knocked out...Jerruh forcing TO on him is why he left
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 29, 2021 14:13:20 GMT -5
Who should we have signed in 2019? Tate was the best option out there. Not to mention we had a glutton of positions to fill on both sides of the ball. This is the same as the Solder excuse. We weren’t winning any championships with or without Solder so why overpay for an average to below average LT when there are so many other positions. Instead of getting Tate why didn’t we go after someone like Trent Brown? Could have gone for Saffold at guard as well. or Shoring up the O line would have gone a lot further towards the success of both Barkley and Jones instead of paying an aged receiver. I doesn’t do much good for any receiver if the QB doesn’t have time to get him the ball. Once again, Dave did the opposite of what he said he would do and instead of building from the inside out, he literally built from the outside in thus wasting prime years and contracts of the skill positions because the RB had nowhere to run, the QB didn’t have time to throw and the receivers didn’t have time to get open because the O line was and may still be one of the worst in the league going 4 years in DG’s run as GM. Yep used the slight cap space for an O lineman and draft AJ Brown and Slayton in 2019
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 29, 2021 14:28:41 GMT -5
We drafted Andrew Thomas last year 4th overall. We drafted Matt Peart in the 3rd round. We gave Nick Gates an extension, and drafted Hernandez in the 2nd round, and Lemieux in the 5th. We also traded for and now relaxed Kevin Zeitler. It comes to a point, these guys have to play like professionals. If not, it has been a colossal waste of resources and time. That’s true but after hearing for 4 years how great Gettleman was at drafting O linemen I’m ready to call that myth busted. Based on the guys he signed through FA, or drafting, and thinking he had an adequate line when he drafted Barkley I question whether he’s even worth a damn at evaluating O line talent because it’s been nothing but a circus up front. That was an urban myth concocted by fans that didn’t know their ass from their balls. Hog mollies turned into guppies. This is the season they have to put it all together. The excuses have all been used up.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 29, 2021 14:45:07 GMT -5
Who should we have signed in 2019? Tate was the best option out there. Not to mention we had a glutton of positions to fill on both sides of the ball. Draft better. And you don’t have to take a flyer on an aging player. You don’t trade in your Lamborghini, and drive out the lot in a Maxima. What player could’ve replaced Beckham? Just like what player should we have signed instead of Solder? Two questions I have yet to get an answer on. Because there is no answer. It’s easy to say, "just replace the Lamborghini with another Lamborghini".
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Post by McCherry on Apr 29, 2021 14:49:29 GMT -5
This whole offseason has been to help Jones. Signing Golladay, Rudolph, Ross, Booker, two offensive lineman, they even picked up a young hot shot assistant in Russ Callaway. This offseason should be called “In Jones we must help.” What two offensive lineman have we added wince last year that are better than what we had? If Solder plays like he did before opting out, he’ll be a drop off from Flemming. Zeitler had a down year but I think his presence will be missed and certainly not easily replaced unless they get someone like Slater. A lot of people just assume our O line will be better because it’s their second year. That didn’t work out so well during Hernandez’s second year or Solders second year, both regressed. Lemieux was the worst pass blocking guard in the league and we’re supposed to have confidence that he’ll suddenly go from the worst to adequate? I don’t. Now there’s videos of Hernandez working out so we’re supposed to believe he’s going to return to his rookie form? I don’t. The only two players on the O line I feel relatively confident in are Gates and Thomas, even Thomas needs to show more consistency. The scariest part is some fans tell me we should trust the FO, they have a better idea of how the O line is doing then we do. Really? The same GM who thought drafting a RB with the 2nd overall pick was a good idea because he thought the O line was adequate? The same FO that has not had a good O line in over a decade? I trust results and so far I haven’t seen it on the O line. I realize not every coach/FO personnel are the same that have been part of this mess for years but if it’s truly a collaborative effort, as some people suggest, then Judge can’t change it himself. Not to mention, I like Judge but I’m not as high on him as some after only one year. If he’s so great at evaluating O line talent why did we end up with the worst of the 4 LT’s (I understand that could change) but it wasn’t a good start. So we should never draft offensive linemen because Hernandez regressed in his second season? What about Gates? He did pretty well in year 2 at a position he never played. Fans here think we should focus on OL in the draft, instead of developing the ones we added last year. More rookies is the solution? It makes no sense.
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Post by BlueReign on Apr 29, 2021 15:04:43 GMT -5
That’s true but after hearing for 4 years how great Gettleman was at drafting O linemen I’m ready to call that myth busted. Based on the guys he signed through FA, or drafting, and thinking he had an adequate line when he drafted Barkley I question whether he’s even worth a damn at evaluating O line talent because it’s been nothing but a circus up front. That was an urban myth concocted by fans that didn’t know their ass from their balls. Hog mollies turned into guppies. This is the season they have to put it all together. The excuses have all been used up. I agree. This year is put up or get the hell out of town.
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Post by repeatchamps on Apr 29, 2021 15:22:39 GMT -5
What two offensive lineman have we added wince last year that are better than what we had? If Solder plays like he did before opting out, he’ll be a drop off from Flemming. Zeitler had a down year but I think his presence will be missed and certainly not easily replaced unless they get someone like Slater. A lot of people just assume our O line will be better because it’s their second year. That didn’t work out so well during Hernandez’s second year or Solders second year, both regressed. Lemieux was the worst pass blocking guard in the league and we’re supposed to have confidence that he’ll suddenly go from the worst to adequate? I don’t. Now there’s videos of Hernandez working out so we’re supposed to believe he’s going to return to his rookie form? I don’t. The only two players on the O line I feel relatively confident in are Gates and Thomas, even Thomas needs to show more consistency. The scariest part is some fans tell me we should trust the FO, they have a better idea of how the O line is doing then we do. Really? The same GM who thought drafting a RB with the 2nd overall pick was a good idea because he thought the O line was adequate? The same FO that has not had a good O line in over a decade? I trust results and so far I haven’t seen it on the O line. I realize not every coach/FO personnel are the same that have been part of this mess for years but if it’s truly a collaborative effort, as some people suggest, then Judge can’t change it himself. Not to mention, I like Judge but I’m not as high on him as some after only one year. If he’s so great at evaluating O line talent why did we end up with the worst of the 4 LT’s (I understand that could change) but it wasn’t a good start. So we should never draft offensive linemen because Hernandez regressed in his second season? What about Gates? He did pretty well in year 2 at a position he never played. Fans here think we should focus on OL in the draft, instead of developing the ones we added last year. More rookies is the solution? It makes no sense. The O-line conundrum is beyond frustrating. The honest truth is there is a shortage of good ones year in and year out in both the free agency front and in the draft. Few draftees are developing well these days which is a domino effect because as draftees become veterans we're finding no good development so no good free agents when the draftee's time arrives. Teams need to find new ways to work around it because I just do not see how we are going to turn around the dearth of talent in college as far as O-line goes. Meanwhile at the same time the d-line talent is getting nastier and nastier and better and better. Even the DT talent coming out every year is becoming more and more dominant than it has been in the past.
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 29, 2021 15:34:34 GMT -5
We are going to see who has the biggest voice in the room This isn't going to be a unanimous or near unanimous consensus at 11 how will we really know? You think Peter King knows what the each individual on the NYGs staff want? if I was to guess I would think Judge would love Parsons and DG would love Smith and who exactly is "the organization". Peter King is just dealing in media hype based on nothing but what he thinks will draw attention to him, if I were the Giants I wouldn't let him any where near their facility...
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 29, 2021 15:39:54 GMT -5
It's Joes team now, as I understand it...who cares what Dave thinks! ...of course if it's a bad pick, I reserve the right to adjust that thinking. and thats exactly the way it will go, if the pick doesn't work out its Dave's fault, if it does work out Joe gets the credit for being a great coach...
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 29, 2021 15:53:41 GMT -5
Draft better. And you don’t have to take a flyer on an aging player. You don’t trade in your Lamborghini, and drive out the lot in a Maxima. What player could’ve replaced Beckham? Just like what player should we have signed instead of Solder? Two questions I have yet to get an answer on. Because there is no answer. It’s easy to say, "just replace the Lamborghini with another Lamborghini". Who cares about Solder. The Giants compounded a mistake with another one with Solder. As for replacing Beckham, we could of drafted A.J Brown in the ‘19 draft. With trading up to get Baker, we had a total of three 1st round picks. We should have used one of them to replace Beckham.
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Post by vinnie on Apr 29, 2021 15:58:51 GMT -5
Draft better. And you don’t have to take a flyer on an aging player. You don’t trade in your Lamborghini, and drive out the lot in a Maxima. What player could’ve replaced Beckham? Just like what player should we have signed instead of Solder? Two questions I have yet to get an answer on. Because there is no answer. It’s easy to say, "just replace the Lamborghini with another Lamborghini". I’ve answered this, as much as I hated Flowers I would rather have kept him another year and looked for a LT in the following draft or next FA. You don’t set an all time NFL salary record for a LT that is hardly worth the upgrade of what you already have. If Jones sucks this year, do we go give an aging QB who is slightly better than Jones Patrick Mahomes money because it’s an upgrade? If we didn’t want to wait another year to draft a LT or wait for teams to cut players, I would have taken most of these guys for a fraction of the price of what we paid Solder and it wouldn’t have made a single difference in how bad they played because Gettleman over estimated the entire roster. walterfootball.com/freeagents2018OT.php
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Post by repeatchamps on Apr 29, 2021 16:07:00 GMT -5
What player could’ve replaced Beckham? Just like what player should we have signed instead of Solder? Two questions I have yet to get an answer on. Because there is no answer. It’s easy to say, "just replace the Lamborghini with another Lamborghini". Who cares about Solder. The Giants compounded a mistake with another one with Solder. As for replacing Beckham, we could of drafted A.J Brown in the ‘19 draft. With trading up to get Baker, we had a total of three 1st round picks. We should have used one of them to replace Beckham. Many teams could have drafted AJ Brown. He went 51st folks.
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 29, 2021 16:13:14 GMT -5
if I'm the GM and the HC tells me the player he wants me to draft for him I think I would make him put it in writing so I won't have to take the heat if the guy ends up sucking...
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 29, 2021 16:13:25 GMT -5
Who cares about Solder. The Giants compounded a mistake with another one with Solder. As for replacing Beckham, we could of drafted A.J Brown in the ‘19 draft. With trading up to get Baker, we had a total of three 1st round picks. We should have used one of them to replace Beckham. Many teams could have drafted AJ Brown. He went 51st folks. Who cares about other teams. The question was, who could we have replaced Beckham with? And that answer is, A.J Brown. Not many teams traded away their all talented receiver and replaced him with an aging veteran. We had the opportunity to replace Beckham with a talented player. Two years later, we finally did that with spending top dollar on Golladay.
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 29, 2021 16:15:45 GMT -5
if I'm the GM and the HC tells me the player he wants me to draft for him I think I would make him put it in writing so I won't have to take the heat if the guy ends up sucking... At the end of the day, your name will be attached to that player. Not the head coach, defensive coordinator, or owner. If I’m going down with the ship, I would want it to be on my own terms.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 29, 2021 16:19:29 GMT -5
Many teams could have drafted AJ Brown. He went 51st folks. Not many teams traded away their all talented receiver and replaced him with an aging veteran. We had the opportunity to replace Beckham with a talented player. Two years later, we finally replaced Beckham with spending top dollar on Golladay. AJ Brown had a 1st round grade, That draft was a huge defensive draft all across the board We actually triggered a mad rush on corners when we traded up for Baker ... Hindsight Brown and Metcalf should have been 1st round picks
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Post by vinnie on Apr 29, 2021 16:20:10 GMT -5
What two offensive lineman have we added wince last year that are better than what we had? If Solder plays like he did before opting out, he’ll be a drop off from Flemming. Zeitler had a down year but I think his presence will be missed and certainly not easily replaced unless they get someone like Slater. A lot of people just assume our O line will be better because it’s their second year. That didn’t work out so well during Hernandez’s second year or Solders second year, both regressed. Lemieux was the worst pass blocking guard in the league and we’re supposed to have confidence that he’ll suddenly go from the worst to adequate? I don’t. Now there’s videos of Hernandez working out so we’re supposed to believe he’s going to return to his rookie form? I don’t. The only two players on the O line I feel relatively confident in are Gates and Thomas, even Thomas needs to show more consistency. The scariest part is some fans tell me we should trust the FO, they have a better idea of how the O line is doing then we do. Really? The same GM who thought drafting a RB with the 2nd overall pick was a good idea because he thought the O line was adequate? The same FO that has not had a good O line in over a decade? I trust results and so far I haven’t seen it on the O line. I realize not every coach/FO personnel are the same that have been part of this mess for years but if it’s truly a collaborative effort, as some people suggest, then Judge can’t change it himself. Not to mention, I like Judge but I’m not as high on him as some after only one year. If he’s so great at evaluating O line talent why did we end up with the worst of the 4 LT’s (I understand that could change) but it wasn’t a good start. So we should never draft offensive linemen because Hernandez regressed in his second season? What about Gates? He did pretty well in year 2 at a position he never played. Fans here think we should focus on OL in the draft, instead of developing the ones we added last year. More rookies is the solution? It makes no sense. I said nothing about not drafting O linemen, quite the opposite actually. I’m saying I’m sick of hearing the excuse that “it takes time to gel” or “they improved” or “they will get better”. If that was true more often than not, why will we have potentially 5 starting O lineman with a combined 5 years? What happened to all the other players Gettleman drafted or got in FA over the past 3-4 years? I’ll tell you wha happened, the majority of them sucked and that’s why they’re not on the team anymore. Now I’m supposed to believe Gettleman finally got it right when there’s still serious question marks at both guard positions and RT? More rookies makes plenty of sense when you have guys starting that are leading the league in pressures and sacks. We’re not talking about players who were decent, they flat out sucked and were ranked one of the worst O line groups in the league, even at the end of the season. Hypothetically, every single one of the players that DG got in FA or the draft should have improved or at least played up to the level that he expected when he paid them yet only a handful of them did and now we’re going on 4 years. So now you could have one of the best guards/tackles to come out of a draft in years right there for the picking and you want to “develop” the 5th round draft pick that led the league in pressures given up last year? Or perhaps slide Hernandez over to RG, the same guy that not only hasn’t developed in 4 years but has regressed? Maybe we should continue hoping that Solder finally plays like the highest paid LT 3 years after paying him, instead of the average to below average tackle he has been? What makes no sense is to continue to hope Gettleman finally got it right when nothing supports that and there are top rated O linemen there for the taking. Isn’t the O line arguably the most important position group on the field? Isn’t this DG and DJ’s make or break year, same as Barkley? How long do you plan on giving these guys to develop when you can instantly upgrade the O line with the first pick? If it takes another year of half ass play from the O line then we can expect the same from Jones and the Giants record won’t be much better. If you’re right, more power to you, I hope you are. But you have a lot more faith and trust in Gettleman that he’s got this O line to where he wants it then I do and that’s based on the past 3 years of utter failure on the O line when it was his first priority. I don’t like the guy but that has nothing to do with my thoughts, the results do and they suck.
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Post by repeatchamps on Apr 29, 2021 16:24:01 GMT -5
Many teams could have drafted AJ Brown. He went 51st folks. Who cares about other teams. The question was, who could we have replaced Beckham with. And that answer is, A.J Brown. Not many teams traded away their all talented receiver and replaced him with an aging veteran. We had the opportunity to replace Beckham with a talented player. Two years later, we finally did that with spending top dollar on Golladay. Understood but how many teams needed a WR just as badly even considering the Odell trade that other teams obviously didn't/couldn't make (simply because they had nothing at the WR spot to begin with so nothing to trade)? Plenty I'm sure. 50 teams including the team that drafted him eventually did not think he could be that type of game changing player. The draft is a crap shoot. How many teams stupidly passed on Warren Sapp, Ray Lewis, I can go on and on.
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 29, 2021 16:26:41 GMT -5
So we should never draft offensive linemen because Hernandez regressed in his second season? What about Gates? He did pretty well in year 2 at a position he never played. Fans here think we should focus on OL in the draft, instead of developing the ones we added last year. More rookies is the solution? It makes no sense. I said nothing about not drafting O linemen, quite the opposite actually. I’m saying I’m sick of hearing the excuse that “it takes time to gel” or “they improved” or “they will get better”. If that was true more often than not, why will we have potentially 5 starting O lineman with a combined 5 years? What happened to all the other players Gettleman drafted or got in FA over the past 3-4 years? I’ll tell you wha happened, the majority of them sucked and that’s why they’re not on the team anymore. Now I’m supposed to believe Gettleman finally got it right when there’s still serious question marks at both guard positions and RT? More rookies makes plenty of sense when you have guys starting that are leading the league in pressures and sacks. We’re not talking about players who were decent, they flat out sucked and were ranked one of the worst O line groups in the league, even at the end of the season. Hypothetically, every single one of the players that DG got in FA or the draft should have improved or at least played up to the level that he expected when he paid them yet only a handful of them did and now we’re going on 4 years. So now you could have one of the best guards/tackles to come out of a draft in years right there for the picking and you want to “develop” the 5th round draft pick that led the league in pressures given up last year? Or perhaps slide Hernandez over to RG, the same guy that not only hasn’t developed in 4 years but has regressed? Maybe we should continue hoping that Solder finally plays like the highest paid LT 3 years after paying him, instead of the average to below average tackle he has been? What makes no sense is to continue to hope Gettleman finally got it right when nothing supports that and there are top rated O linemen there for the taking. Isn’t the O line arguably the most important position group on the field? Isn’t this DG and DJ’s make or break year, same as Barkley? How long do you plan on giving these guys to develop when you can instantly upgrade the O line with the first pick? If it takes another year of half ass play from the O line then we can expect the same from Jones and the Giants record won’t be much better. If you’re right, more power to you, I hope you are. But you have a lot more faith and trust in Gettleman that he’s got this O line to where he wants it then I do and that’s based on the past 3 years of utter failure on the O line when it was his first priority. I don’t like the guy but that has nothing to do with my thoughts, the results do and they suck. it’s easier to perform surgery than explain to the patient what the surgery entails. Ty Doctor 👨⚕️
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 29, 2021 16:29:18 GMT -5
Not many teams traded away their all talented receiver and replaced him with an aging veteran. We had the opportunity to replace Beckham with a talented player. Two years later, we finally replaced Beckham with spending top dollar on Golladay. AJ Brown had a 1st round grade, That draft was a huge defensive draft all across the board We actually triggered a mad rush on corners when we traded up for Baker ... Hindsight Brown and Metcalf should have been 1st round picks We traded Beckham a month before the ‘19 draft. Two days after the trade we signed Golden Tate. Talk about not doing your homework. Two top receivers were there for the taking in the draft. Instead, they go in another direction. This isn’t about hindsight is 20/20. This about doing your job and understanding who is available.
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 29, 2021 16:40:14 GMT -5
Who cares about other teams. The question was, who could we have replaced Beckham with. And that answer is, A.J Brown. Not many teams traded away their all talented receiver and replaced him with an aging veteran. We had the opportunity to replace Beckham with a talented player. Two years later, we finally did that with spending top dollar on Golladay. Understood but how many teams needed a WR just as badly even considering the Odell trade that other teams obviously didn't/couldn't make (simply because they had nothing at the WR spot to begin with so nothing to trade)? Plenty I'm sure. 50 teams including the team that drafted him eventually did not think he could be that type of game changing player. The draft is a crap shoot. How many teams stupidly passed on Warren Sapp, Ray Lewis, I can go on and on. You’re missing the point. We can do this all day with revisiting old drafts. Point is, we needed a receiver. We dumpster dived for one, and got what we paid for. You ever notice the great teams always find good players, while the bad ones don’t? This is a perfect example of why.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 29, 2021 16:57:07 GMT -5
What player could’ve replaced Beckham? Just like what player should we have signed instead of Solder? Two questions I have yet to get an answer on. Because there is no answer. It’s easy to say, "just replace the Lamborghini with another Lamborghini". Who cares about Solder. The Giants compounded a mistake with another one with Solder. As for replacing Beckham, we could of drafted A.J Brown in the ‘19 draft. With trading up to get Baker, we had a total of three 1st round picks. We should have used one of them to replace Beckham. Someone had to line up at LT in 2019-20... Baker was easily Gettleman's biggest mistake by far.
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Post by repeatchamps on Apr 29, 2021 16:59:42 GMT -5
Understood but how many teams needed a WR just as badly even considering the Odell trade that other teams obviously didn't/couldn't make (simply because they had nothing at the WR spot to begin with so nothing to trade)? Plenty I'm sure. 50 teams including the team that drafted him eventually did not think he could be that type of game changing player. The draft is a crap shoot. How many teams stupidly passed on Warren Sapp, Ray Lewis, I can go on and on. You’re missing the point. We can do this all day with revisiting old drafts. Point is, we needed a receiver. We dumpster dived for one, and got what we paid for. You ever notice the great teams always find good players, while the bad ones don’t? This is a perfect example of why. Plenty of great teams in the top 50 of that draft did not get the great player they were hoping for and plenty of teams dumpster dove in free agency ahead of the draft at some spot of dire need on their roster instead of turning to the draft. Why? Each team (great or otherwise) knows that is what you have to do sometimes. There's a salary cap and only so many draft picks. Some of those dumpster dives probably worked out some probably didn't.
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