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Post by TEM on Mar 2, 2022 18:17:10 GMT -5
I do not believe that is the way the rule is. A player who is injured can not be cut by a team until the injury is healed, unless the player and the team reach an “injury settlement”. A player placed on the IR is paid until they come off the IR guaranteed (generally the end of the season). He was injured playing and under contract. Because he is under contract. He falls under the, "until the injury is healed" or an injury settlement agreement. Designate the player as waived/injured. This applies in the preseason to any un-vested player, and is an option for any player during the regular season. If a player is not going to be designated to the injured reserve list, the team will make the player an injury settlement offer. Typically this is some lump sum payment that would reflect all or a portion of any base salary and expected/unpaid bonus money, as well as the cost of medical treatment and rehabilitation for the injury. That's really hard to fathom that 2021 IR designation transitions over to a 2022 designation. It's interesting though. I'm going to try and dive deeper into it. Pages 271 to 273 nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/media/Default/NFLPA/CBA2020/NFL-NFLPA_CBA_March_5_2020.pdf
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Post by imgrate on Mar 2, 2022 18:29:37 GMT -5
I do not believe that is the way the rule is. A player who is injured can not be cut by a team until the injury is healed, unless the player and the team reach an “injury settlement”. A player placed on the IR is paid until they come off the IR guaranteed (generally the end of the season). He was injured playing and under contract. Because he is under contract. He falls under the, "until the injury is healed" or an injury settlement agreement. Designate the player as waived/injured. This applies in the preseason to any un-vested player, and is an option for any player during the regular season. If a player is not going to be designated to the injured reserve list, the team will make the player an injury settlement offer. Typically this is some lump sum payment that would reflect all or a portion of any base salary and expected/unpaid bonus money, as well as the cost of medical treatment and rehabilitation for the injury. That's really hard to fathom that 2021 IR designation transitions over to a 2022 designation. It's interesting though. I'm going to try and dive deeper into it. Shep can be released. Eric fisher tore his Achilles in afc championship game and got released in March. Once he hit IR, he got "paid" for that injury. You can only negotiate an injury settlement within 5 days of the injury.
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Post by TEM on Mar 2, 2022 18:33:26 GMT -5
That's really hard to fathom that 2021 IR designation transitions over to a 2022 designation. It's interesting though. I'm going to try and dive deeper into it. Shep can be released. Eric fisher tore his Achilles in afc championship game and got released in March. Once he hit IR, he got "paid" for that injury. You can only negotiate an injury settlement within 5 days of the injury. He cannot be released unless he agrees to an injury settlement agreement. He cannot just be "cut"
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Post by Kruunch on Mar 2, 2022 18:36:05 GMT -5
Agreed. Who wants a reliable player on the cheap? Thankfully, we have an often injured Barkley with a nonexistent Brightwell to carry the load. Booker is useless though. You get a guy like him a dime a dozen. Why not cut the dead wood? It’s not like any of his contributions mattered in a positive. In other words…he sucked. Looking back, I would have stuck with the decision of keeping Clement. Whatever…both players we can live without. Booker is not important enough to gain this much attention. However, he’s not some piece of shit who wasted a valuable roster spot. See Danny Shelton.. My point is he was a good player who was making chump change in the grand scheme of our salary cap. I get it, he didn’t do enough to cement a roster spot. But, we have more holes in our backfield than target practice.
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Post by imgrate on Mar 2, 2022 18:47:53 GMT -5
Shep can be released. Eric fisher tore his Achilles in afc championship game and got released in March. Once he hit IR, he got "paid" for that injury. You can only negotiate an injury settlement within 5 days of the injury. He cannot be released unless he agrees to an injury settlement agreement. He cannot just be "cut" Yea, you're right. That said, it doesn't seem like it's all that difficult to do (coming to terms on injury settlement). I couldn't find any info on the injury settlement that the chiefs had with Mitchell Schwartz nor Eric Fisher.
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Post by TEM on Mar 2, 2022 18:58:05 GMT -5
He cannot be released unless he agrees to an injury settlement agreement. He cannot just be "cut" Yea, you're right. That said, it doesn't seem like it's all that difficult to do (coming to terms on injury settlement). I couldn't find any info on the injury settlement that the chiefs had with Mitchell Schwartz nor Eric Fisher. He can ask for the entire remainder of his contract 26 million. The least he is going to get half of that if not more. His cap hit could be 14 to15 million. A net loss in cap space compared to his 2022 salrey.
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Post by imgrate on Mar 2, 2022 19:08:50 GMT -5
Yea, you're right. That said, it doesn't seem like it's all that difficult to do (coming to terms on injury settlement). I couldn't find any info on the injury settlement that the chiefs had with Mitchell Schwartz nor Eric Fisher. He can ask for the entire remainder of his contract 26 million. The least he is going to get half of that if not more. His cap hit could be 14 to15 million. A net loss in cap space compared to his 2022 salrey. Doubtful. Fisher didn't get shit and was injured later in the season
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Post by jaymas on Mar 2, 2022 20:01:23 GMT -5
I think it's just a sign they'll have a cheaper backup RB. I'm sure they will aim bigger too (I know that wasn't your post), but they are starting here. There was no chance either of these two players were going to be back. Maybe but what do you get for less than 2 mill? That is how much we saved from Booker. probably a draft pick
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 2, 2022 20:30:05 GMT -5
If they can get a 5th or a 6th why not. a 5th or a 6th for Slayton? Did Gettleman get a GM job somewhere else? lol
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Post by McCherry on Mar 2, 2022 20:37:49 GMT -5
Barkley only goes if someone is willing to trade for him. We won't know what that the interest will be until 3/16. Releasing Booker was about money. He was a good player, but you can find better for cheaper. Better for less than 2 mill? Who? Dixon, Slaton, and Blake could all be possibly cut before June 1 because they are in the last years of their deals. There would be no savings for waiting until after June 1. Gallman made about $1M last year, is Booker really any better? If they want to save $2M go ahead, these types of RB's can be found everywhere.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Mar 2, 2022 20:48:23 GMT -5
Nobody is trading for Slayton. Just cut him and save the 2.5 mil on the cap. If they can get a 5th or a 6th why not. Yea if we could get anything it would be a good move. I think you could get what he gives you in the draft. To me he's a guy that whatever you do I'm OK with. But I would take a draft pick in a trade certainly. If we kept him he'd be cheap depth. If we cut him I'm fine with that too.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Mar 2, 2022 20:52:57 GMT -5
Thank you LT. So it would be better for us this year to help reach the goal of 40 mil in cap space to cut him after June 1st ? If you don't mind: 1. Pushing $4M of dead cap to 2023. 2. Not realizing the $8.5M cap savings (2022) until after 6/1. If you designate someone a post 6/1 release you don't save that cap space until post 6/1. So you can't use that $8.5M cap savings before 6/1. So it's really up to Schoen and his plan. I see so FA would be virtually over. Options for Schoen.
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Post by redeyejedi on Mar 2, 2022 20:54:28 GMT -5
Kyle Rudolph is getting released saving 5.2 million in cap space. Dude is washed and should retire. A mid round TE would be better at this point.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Mar 2, 2022 20:55:12 GMT -5
GL I read that if we cut Shep after June 1st it's a lot more in savings on the cap. I don't know the reason on how it works. For some reason I think it's around 10 mil but I don't know where I heard that number. It is against the CBA to cut a player on IR. It can be as long as 11 months for recovery from an Achilles... Mid November. Thanks Tem, I was forgetting he was still on IR. Wasn't thinking it through.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Mar 2, 2022 21:41:41 GMT -5
Better for less than 2 mill? Who? Dixon, Slaton, and Blake could all be possibly cut before June 1 because they are in the last years of their deals. There would be no savings for waiting until after June 1. Gallman made about $1M last year, is Booker really any better? If they want to save $2M go ahead, these types of RB's can be found everywhere. I liked Wayne but yes Booker has been a bit better. So they will save 1 mill to sign Wayne Gallman (or equal)? I'd be okay with that but I still do not think you cut Booker if you plan on trading Barkley.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 2, 2022 21:51:10 GMT -5
Kyle Rudolph is getting released saving 5.2 million in cap space. Dude is washed and should retire. A mid round TE would be better at this point. another Gettleman gem like Ogeltree, etc.
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Post by lt56 on Mar 2, 2022 22:03:26 GMT -5
Respect to Kyle but we got him 3 years too late honestly
can use one of those Middle Round Picks and find a very good TE, my Small College Sleeper
If they can Trade Leonard Williams huge contract as well as Bradberry, I think you do it at this point because we're not ready to contend for anything right now
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 2, 2022 22:10:23 GMT -5
Cutting Booker makes absolutely no sense. We freed up a Prius by doing so. I get Rudolph, he’s on the back nine of his career. And is making too much for what he’s worth. Reliable players on cheap deals should be kept. Trying to get $40 million under is going to take a hell lot more than Booker and Rudolph. Start aiming bigger. Bradberry, Ryan, Martinez for starters.
They did it.
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Post by ocgiant on Mar 2, 2022 23:04:50 GMT -5
no kidding... it makes total sense because he isnt needed at the moment and probably not what they want. They are cleaning house for the cap and the to rebuild the roster. Booker is totally expendable. every little bit helps. You clear the board and then go from there. BTW they are aiming at the other guys you mentioned. Agreed. Who wants a reliable player on the cheap? Thankfully, we have an often injured Barkley with a nonexistent Brightwell to carry the load. Does it really matter for next season already or I can hope there is regrouped running game
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Post by GameTime on Mar 2, 2022 23:05:40 GMT -5
no kidding... it makes total sense because he isnt needed at the moment and probably not what they want. They are cleaning house for the cap and the to rebuild the roster. Booker is totally expendable. every little bit helps. You clear the board and then go from there. BTW they are aiming at the other guys you mentioned. Agreed. Who wants a reliable player on the cheap? Thankfully, we have an often injured Barkley with a nonexistent Brightwell to carry the load. Booker was a filler. His production can and will be replaced. SB story on the NYGs may be done. Brightwell is a player that may not even make it through camp. The future of this offense would not have been hinging on Booker. All part of the cap and roster purge.
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Post by ocgiant on Mar 2, 2022 23:07:28 GMT -5
Deeper, thicker and wider no, not a porn movie
the Giants cuts that need to be made
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 2, 2022 23:54:40 GMT -5
no kidding... it makes total sense because he isnt needed at the moment and probably not what they want. They are cleaning house for the cap and the to rebuild the roster. Booker is totally expendable. every little bit helps. You clear the board and then go from there. BTW they are aiming at the other guys you mentioned. Agreed. Who wants a reliable player on the cheap? Thankfully, we have an often injured Barkley with a nonexistent Brightwell to carry the load. Booker is a good back. I'd be fine with them resigning him if they get the opportunity.
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 2, 2022 23:57:03 GMT -5
GL I read that if we cut Shep after June 1st it's a lot more in savings on the cap. I don't know the reason on how it works. For some reason I think it's around 10 mil but I don't know where I heard that number. It's because he is owed approx $8M of guaranteed money. If you cut him before 6/1 you eat all of that $8M against the 2022 cap. If you cut him after 6/1 you prorate that $8M over the course of the next two season's caps. So you'd save more in 2022 but also carry dead cap in 2023. But in the end you're still eating a total of $8M in dead cap. ![](https://i.imgur.com/Su1eK1Z.png) It's probably more palatable in pieces.
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Post by Jomo on Mar 3, 2022 6:31:46 GMT -5
Solder was actually the first to go... ![](https://media4.giphy.com/media/j6AL9zmIC5sHc2zcvQ/200w.gif?cid=82a1493bf2qdc1vvgx2y0gn8uw9dxbpsz400tb0b85cgwn49&rid=200w.gif&ct=g) I think Solder is walking away with a big smile on his face... Are we unique or does every team sign a few aging players who show up, collect their pay and basically contribute nothing?
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Post by TEM on Mar 3, 2022 6:33:45 GMT -5
He can ask for the entire remainder of his contract 26 million. The least he is going to get half of that if not more. His cap hit could be 14 to15 million. A net loss in cap space compared to his 2022 salrey. Doubtful. Fisher didn't get shit and was injured later in the season Doubtful????? Explain your logic on this. He has 26 million left on his contract. Are you implying the CBA wording is false and the team can dictate the price of the settlement agreement? Are you saying the team that wants to cut him, he should give a discount to? You do know he can demand the full 26 million and stick by it as a settlement. The CBA states while on IR the pay is fully guaranteed as long as the player rehabs and does what the "player's" doctor prescribes. lf he want's to he can make the IR last until the end of his contract to insure he gets paid. 14 to 15 is fair considering what Shep can demand and has the power to do.
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Post by imgrate on Mar 3, 2022 6:52:32 GMT -5
Doubtful. Fisher didn't get shit and was injured later in the season Doubtful????? Explain your logic on this. He has 26 million left on his contract. Are you implying the CBA wording is false and the team can dictate the price of the settlement agreement? Are you saying the team that wants to cut him, he should give a discount to? You do know he can demand the full 26 million and stick by it as a settlement. The CBA states while on IR the pay is fully guaranteed as long as the player rehabs and does what the "player's" doctor prescribes. lf he want's to he can make the IR last until the end of his contract to insure he gets paid. 14 to 15 is fair considering what Shep can demand and has the power to do. My logic is precedent. Eric fisher,same injury, later in the season, due 18mill, didn't get shit. Shep's not on IR anymore, has no more guaranteed money on his contract and the timetable of his injury would likely have him cleared for the start of the season. So he can either agree to get cut now and sign somewhere else with more guaranteed money than 0, or wait until he is cleared from injury in late summer, get released then and have to find a team once everyone has already signed free agents and drafted.
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Post by TEM on Mar 3, 2022 7:05:49 GMT -5
Doubtful????? Explain your logic on this. He has 26 million left on his contract. Are you implying the CBA wording is false and the team can dictate the price of the settlement agreement? Are you saying the team that wants to cut him, he should give a discount to? You do know he can demand the full 26 million and stick by it as a settlement. The CBA states while on IR the pay is fully guaranteed as long as the player rehabs and does what the "player's" doctor prescribes. lf he want's to he can make the IR last until the end of his contract to insure he gets paid. 14 to 15 is fair considering what Shep can demand and has the power to do. My logic is precedent. Eric fisher,same injury, later in the season, due 18mill, didn't get shit. Shep's not on IR anymore, has no more guaranteed money on his contract and the timetable of his injury would likely have him cleared for the start of the season. So he can either agree to get cut now and sign somewhere else with more guaranteed money than 0, or wait until he is cleared from injury in late summer, get released then and have to find a team once everyone has already signed free agents and drafted. Precedent??????????. Did you even read the injury protection clause in the CBA? Apparently not or you would not have written all of this false information.
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Post by TEM on Mar 3, 2022 7:19:39 GMT -5
page 271 section 5
Shep is in his first season of after a severe injury. No matter what opiniated facts were posted in this thread. Players are not cuttable after an injury. Shep can not be taken off IR and cut as one poster suggested.
Applies to the 2nd season a player cannot play after a severe injury.
Section 5. Injury Protection Candidate List: Following each NFL season, the NFL Management Council shall provide the NFLPA with a list of potential “Injury Protection candidates” on each of the 32 NFL Clubs. The Clubs will identify which players may qualify under Section 2(a) and 2(b) of this Article. The list shall identify the Club, player name, applicable category under Section 2(a) of this Article (i.e., whether the player was unable to play in all or part of the last game of the season because of a severe football injury, as certified by the Club Physician following a physical examination after the last game, or whether the player has undergone or is scheduled to undergo Club-authorized offseason surgery), and the injury or injuries that caused the player to be included on the list. The NFL Management Council shall provide such list to the NFLPA by February 15th (for non-playoff Clubs) and March 1st (for playoff Clubs). The NFL Management Council shall thereafter between March 1st and July 31st provide the NFLPA with periodic updates as the updates are received from the Clubs. A player’s inclusion on a Club’s list, or absence from a Club’s list, is not a presumption that the player qualifies for, or does not qualify for, the Injury Protection benefit.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2022 7:36:30 GMT -5
Off the team..
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Post by jaymas on Mar 3, 2022 8:57:04 GMT -5
Gallman made about $1M last year, is Booker really any better? If they want to save $2M go ahead, these types of RB's can be found everywhere. I liked Wayne but yes Booker has been a bit better. So they will save 1 mill to sign Wayne Gallman (or equal)? I'd be okay with that but I still do not think you cut Booker if you plan on trading Barkley. Gallman was statistically a much better running back for the giants in 2020 than Booker this year. The point is, they have to cut players to get under the cap. Booker wasn't the biggest domino, but he needed to be a domino nonetheless.
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