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Post by babybulls on Apr 15, 2023 14:36:22 GMT -5
My 3rd grade teacher, Miss Buttermore, yes that was really her name, always said “if” is a small word but has a heck of a definition
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Post by presumablygunner on Apr 25, 2023 19:31:21 GMT -5
I think Daniel Jones should be our starter. He has the possible upside. He was the 6th pick in the draft. He deserves this one last chance. But I'm sorry, right now, August 2022, Tyrod Taylor is the better QB. He's SO much better in the pocket. He makes better decisions. He just looks like a solid NFL QB. We talk about all the different systems and coordinators that DJ has had.....well how many has Taylor had? He has a new system every year, yet he looks smooth and competent in the pocket. With DJ it still looks like a fire drill. So I support the decision to start the season with DJ. He does have a lot of tools. But I think we have a chance to win more games THIS year with Tyrod Taylor. I know he's not the future. DJ probably isn't either. But I'm OK with giving him this last chance. But I wouldn't be surprised if DJ gets supplanted by Taylor by mid season. "I don't usually do this unless I'm drunk or I'm high, but I'm both right now got me talking about my life" - Drake
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Post by vinnie on Apr 25, 2023 19:58:51 GMT -5
Wha you are, other than a swindling POS, is exhausting. You win gunner, finally putting you on ignore. I can’t wait to see how much it cleans up my screen. No need to reply, I won’t see it nor do I care.
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Post by vinnie on Apr 25, 2023 20:00:13 GMT -5
Ahhhhhh….looks better already
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Post by Analyst on Oct 16, 2023 20:41:06 GMT -5
I think Daniel Jones should be our starter. He has the possible upside. He was the 6th pick in the draft. He deserves this one last chance. But I'm sorry, right now, August 2022, Tyrod Taylor is the better QB. He's SO much better in the pocket. He makes better decisions. He just looks like a solid NFL QB.We talk about all the different systems and coordinators that DJ has had.....well how many has Taylor had? He has a new system every year, yet he looks smooth and competent in the pocket. With DJ it still looks like a fire drill.So I support the decision to start the season with DJ. He does have a lot of tools. But I think we have a chance to win more games THIS year with Tyrod Taylor. I know he's not the future. DJ probably isn't either. But I'm OK with giving him this last chance. But I wouldn't be surprised if DJ gets supplanted by Taylor by mid season.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Oct 16, 2023 20:44:12 GMT -5
But I wouldn't be surprised if DJ gets supplanted by Taylor by mid season. I feel like this is like a Simpson’s episode that predicts the future.
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Post by gumby on Oct 16, 2023 20:46:00 GMT -5
is pleased. LOL typing in g i g g l e s did that? ^^
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Post by DJones19 on Oct 16, 2023 20:52:56 GMT -5
Looks like Danny's accomplishments have already been forgotten in between the original post on this thread and the thread bump after Tyrod's 1st start.
- 6 4th quarter comebacks victories including the biggest comeback in 85 years which included a 31 point half. - NFC Offensive Player of the Week - A playoff win where Jones became the first quarterback in NFL history to have 300 passing yards, two passing touchdowns and at least 70 rushing yards in a playoff game.
If Tyrod leads the team to a playoff win anytime for the NYG this year or in the future I promise to rename myself from DJones19 to TTaylor11.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Oct 16, 2023 21:15:13 GMT -5
Looks like Danny's accomplishments have already been forgotten in between the original post on this thread and the thread bump after Tyrod's 1st start. - 6 4th quarter comebacks victories including the biggest comeback in 85 years which included a 31 point half. - NFC Offensive Player of the Week - A playoff win where Jones became the first quarterback in NFL history to have 300 passing yards, two passing touchdowns and at least 70 rushing yards in a playoff game. If Tyrod leads the team to a playoff win anytime for the NYG this year or in the future I promise to rename myself from DJones19 to TTaylor11. Everyone remembers the Super Bowls but we've only won playoff games in 2 years since 2000...almost 20 years ago. Eli is a career .500 QB that has zero social media presence to hype up and excite fans like Tom Brady does. As a fan I love the Super Bowls of course, but 2 years of playoff wins in the past 20 years is really bad.
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Post by DJones19 on Oct 16, 2023 21:21:42 GMT -5
Looks like Danny's accomplishments have already been forgotten in between the original post on this thread and the thread bump after Tyrod's 1st start. - 6 4th quarter comebacks victories including the biggest comeback in 85 years which included a 31 point half. - NFC Offensive Player of the Week - A playoff win where Jones became the first quarterback in NFL history to have 300 passing yards, two passing touchdowns and at least 70 rushing yards in a playoff game. If Tyrod leads the team to a playoff win anytime for the NYG this year or in the future I promise to rename myself from DJones19 to TTaylor11. Everyone remembers the Super Bowls but we've only won playoff games in 2 years since 2000...almost 20 years ago. Eli is a career .500 QB that has zero social media presence to hype up and excite fans like Tom Brady does. As a fan I love the Super Bowls of course, but 2 years of playoff wins in the past 20 years is really bad. There is on DJ take I have to agree with vinnie on. DJ is pretty bland. They say that's a good thing in NY, it probably is, but isn't much fun as a spectator. His Kay Adams interviews are about as much personality as you're going to see and even those are pretty bland. Eli has livened up since retiring.
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Post by giantbob71 on Oct 16, 2023 22:04:27 GMT -5
Looks like Danny's accomplishments have already been forgotten in between the original post on this thread and the thread bump after Tyrod's 1st start. - 6 4th quarter comebacks victories including the biggest comeback in 85 years which included a 31 point half. - NFC Offensive Player of the Week - A playoff win where Jones became the first quarterback in NFL history to have 300 passing yards, two passing touchdowns and at least 70 rushing yards in a playoff game. If Tyrod leads the team to a playoff win anytime for the NYG this year or in the future I promise to rename myself from DJones19 to TTaylor11.Will you change your DJ tramp stamp to Tyrod as well?
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Post by snyder55 on Oct 17, 2023 6:17:48 GMT -5
I'm going to get scalded to death with this hot take thread... I've never understood what a "hot take" is. Seems like stupid, pop culture labeling to me. I'm just posting what I think. hot take is just a trendy expression used by people who want to feel like they are "in"
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 17, 2023 7:18:19 GMT -5
There is on DJ take I have to agree with vinnie on. DJ is pretty bland. They say that's a good thing in NY, it probably is, but isn't much fun as a spectator. His Kay Adams interviews are about as much personality as you're going to see and even those are pretty bland. Eli has livened up since retiring. this whole thing that we need a Qb " made for NY" and that can handle the media is Bullshit........... First and foremost the guy needs to be able to play the position that's the first thing. Stop trying to find the " Next Eli" and the so called Giant way trying to remain the status quo just like they did with the Gettleman hire. If an individual is going to be good at their job then however they are with the media won't matter if they are a thick skinned strong minded individual. I mean Rodgers isn't great with the media but is a hell of a freakin qb.... Would we not want him because he can't handle the media????????
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 17, 2023 7:19:25 GMT -5
and he isn't a thick skinned strong minded individual but can play decent but crumble under the so called media pressure, his ass won't last long no matter where he goes......
if he allows that to affect his play then he isn't that guy..
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 17, 2023 8:44:40 GMT -5
Looks like Danny's accomplishments have already been forgotten in between the original post on this thread and the thread bump after Tyrod's 1st start. - 6 4th quarter comebacks victories including the biggest comeback in 85 years which included a 31 point half. - NFC Offensive Player of the Week - A playoff win where Jones became the first quarterback in NFL history to have 300 passing yards, two passing touchdowns and at least 70 rushing yards in a playoff game. If Tyrod leads the team to a playoff win anytime for the NYG this year or in the future I promise to rename myself from DJones19 to TTaylor11. As I said, DJ has much more "talent" than Tyrod does. But TT is much better in the pocket. He knows how to get the ball out on time. He knows how to deal with a pass rush. He feels it. He knows where it's coming from. He doesn't lock onto receivers. He anticipates better. I have also said, and still believe, that we can win with DJ. But he needs SO much around him to function well. Right now, we don't have it. I honestly believe that we have a better chance to win games right now with our back up QB. Give me a good O line and open receivers....and I'll take Daniel Jones. Either way, I think we'll be looking for a new QB in the near future.
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Post by Analyst on Oct 17, 2023 11:11:21 GMT -5
Looks like Danny's accomplishments have already been forgotten in between the original post on this thread and the thread bump after Tyrod's 1st start. - 6 4th quarter comebacks victories including the biggest comeback in 85 years which included a 31 point half. - NFC Offensive Player of the Week - A playoff win where Jones became the first quarterback in NFL history to have 300 passing yards, two passing touchdowns and at least 70 rushing yards in a playoff game. If Tyrod leads the team to a playoff win anytime for the NYG this year or in the future I promise to rename myself from DJones19 to TTaylor11. As I said, DJ has much more "talent" than Tyrod does. But TT is much better in the pocket. He knows how to get the ball out on time. He knows how to deal with a pass rush. He feels it. He knows where it's coming from. He doesn't lock onto receivers. He anticipates better. I have also said, and still believe, that we can win with DJ. But he needs SO much around him to function well. Right now, we don't have it. I honestly believe that we have a better chance to win games right now with our back up QB. Give me a good O line and open receivers....and I'll take Daniel Jones. Either way, I think we'll be looking for a new QB in the near future. There are no lies in this statement. Its painful to say and think that way too. They screwed up keeping DJ here. If we didn't have him here, we would have an extra $70M to play with in 2024 and kick off our mini rebuild (Not to mention $40M this year and roll with TT). Now we wait until at the earliest 2025 where DJ still counts a minimal $22M against our cap. We can not kick the can down the road with him. I would bring in Gardner Minshew next year for $5M to compete with DJ. Minshew also shows a good knack understanding the pocket and pressure. Limited sure, but can be a solid game manager and then some.
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Post by McCherry on Oct 17, 2023 11:19:06 GMT -5
As I said, DJ has much more "talent" than Tyrod does. But TT is much better in the pocket. He knows how to get the ball out on time. He knows how to deal with a pass rush. He feels it. He knows where it's coming from. He doesn't lock onto receivers. He anticipates better. I have also said, and still believe, that we can win with DJ. But he needs SO much around him to function well. Right now, we don't have it. I honestly believe that we have a better chance to win games right now with our back up QB. Give me a good O line and open receivers....and I'll take Daniel Jones. Either way, I think we'll be looking for a new QB in the near future. There are no lies in this statement. Its painful to say and think that way too. They screwed up keeping DJ here. If we didn't have him here, we would have an extra $70M to play with in 2024 and kick off our mini rebuild (Not to mention $40M this year and roll with TT). Now we wait until at the earliest 2025 where DJ still counts a minimal $22M against our cap. We can not kick the can down the road with him. I would bring in Gardner Minshew next year for $5M to compete with DJ. Minshew also shows a good knack understanding the pocket and pressure. Limited sure, but can be a solid game manager and then some. How do you figure? Jones counts $15m this year and $47m against the cap in 2024. And we'll still have close to $60M in cap room this offseason.
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Post by Analyst on Oct 17, 2023 11:26:09 GMT -5
There are no lies in this statement. Its painful to say and think that way too. They screwed up keeping DJ here. If we didn't have him here, we would have an extra $70M to play with in 2024 and kick off our mini rebuild (Not to mention $40M this year and roll with TT). Now we wait until at the earliest 2025 where DJ still counts a minimal $22M against our cap. We can not kick the can down the road with him. I would bring in Gardner Minshew next year for $5M to compete with DJ. Minshew also shows a good knack understanding the pocket and pressure. Limited sure, but can be a solid game manager and then some. How do you figure? Jones counts $15m this year and $47m against the cap in 2024. And we'll still have close to $60M in cap room this offseason. My bad, that is DEAD CAP number in 2024. 2024 Dead Cap = $69,315,000 Thats why the $22M is left over in 2025. So, $15+ $47+ $22 = $84M of teh $92M guaranteed. Where is the other $8M to cover it?
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Post by Dogecoin on Oct 17, 2023 11:26:48 GMT -5
All it took was one game and 9 points for this to start? Lol
We are out the playoff race. Tyrod is not the answer. We are paying too much to Jones to bench him if he's healthy.
Have to see what we have for rest of season, to determine what to do in off-season.
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Post by Analyst on Oct 17, 2023 11:30:19 GMT -5
All it took was one game and 9 points for this to start? Lol We are out the playoff race. Tyrod is not the answer. We are paying too much to Jones to bench him if he's healthy. Have to see what we have for rest of season, to determine what to do in off-season. If we dont know yet what we have in DJ, he isnt the guy. This is year 5 not game 5. He is who he is. Not productive, oft injured, limited pocket skills, great athleticism to generate big plays. 2nd neck injury to a running QB who doesnt protect himself. He should retire. Then again, I said Tua should retire too. Jones isnt the future, Taylor sint the future, DeVito isnt the future.
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Post by McCherry on Oct 17, 2023 11:36:41 GMT -5
All it took was one game and 9 points for this to start? Lol We are out the playoff race. Tyrod is not the answer. We are paying too much to Jones to bench him if he's healthy. Have to see what we have for rest of season, to determine what to do in off-season. It's the same story. Backup QB's become instant heroes after one game. Then they usually become backups very quickly again once there is 4 quarters of tape on them. It's useless to make comparisons at this point, but at least we know we have a guy who can play off the bench.
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Post by SG88 on Oct 17, 2023 11:46:17 GMT -5
Both of these QBs are backup quality. The problem is that one is getting paid like he is a top 10 at his position and the other is getting paid accordingly. The Giants royally messed up by giving 8 that contract while bidding against themselves. Even Trubisky or Mariota could have this team at 1-5. When it comes to fans of Jones, they defend him for what they wish that he was, not for exactly what he is.
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Post by Analyst on Oct 17, 2023 12:03:33 GMT -5
All it took was one game and 9 points for this to start? Lol We are out the playoff race. Tyrod is not the answer. We are paying too much to Jones to bench him if he's healthy. Have to see what we have for rest of season, to determine what to do in off-season. It's the same story. Backup QB's become instant heroes after one game. Then they usually become backups very quickly again once there is 4 quarters of tape on them. It's useless to make comparisons at this point, but at least we know we have a guy who can play off the bench. There are years of film on Tyrod Taylor. He is no instant hero. He is a breath of fresh air as far as watching a QB not get sacked every other play due to pocket awareness. NO ONE is saying Taylor should be our QB going forward like he is a franchise QB. He isn't. But, the same could be said for DJ and a lot here are saying he is the future. He isn't either.
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Post by Analyst on Oct 17, 2023 12:07:30 GMT -5
Both of these QBs are backup quality. The problem is that one is getting paid like he is a top 10 at his position and the other is getting paid accordingly. The Giants royally messed up by giving 8 that contract while bidding against themselves. Even Trubisky or Mariota could have this team at 1-5. When it comes to fans of Jones, they defend him for what they wish that he was, not for exactly what he is. I keep saying it, 3 times the Giants had the chance to get Gardner Minshew and didn't. He showed he has some skills in Jacksonville / Philly. Now we can see him in Indy with AR hurt. He isnt a great QB but he is a good one. One that is cheap and could do what DJ has done here the last 4+ years. He is a FA after this season and will only cost 1/10th what DJ costs.
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Post by Delicreep on Oct 17, 2023 12:15:17 GMT -5
Is the goal to replace DJ...who most question if he is even starting QB material...with a QB that is just marginally better?
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Post by McCherry on Oct 17, 2023 12:19:24 GMT -5
It's the same story. Backup QB's become instant heroes after one game. Then they usually become backups very quickly again once there is 4 quarters of tape on them. It's useless to make comparisons at this point, but at least we know we have a guy who can play off the bench. There are years of film on Tyrod Taylor. He is no instant hero. He is a breath of fresh air as far as watching a QB not get sacked every other play due to pocket awareness. NO ONE is saying Taylor should be our QB going forward like he is a franchise QB. He isn't. But, the same could be said for DJ and a lot here are saying he is the future. He isn't either. Sunday was his first start in 6 years. He's a different QB in a different system. I agree on your second point. I'm just saying that you can't make any accurate comparisons coming off one game.
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Post by SG88 on Oct 17, 2023 12:25:36 GMT -5
Both of these QBs are backup quality. The problem is that one is getting paid like he is a top 10 at his position and the other is getting paid accordingly. The Giants royally messed up by giving 8 that contract while bidding against themselves. Even Trubisky or Mariota could have this team at 1-5. When it comes to fans of Jones, they defend him for what they wish that he was, not for exactly what he is. I keep saying it, 3 times the Giants had the chance to get Gardner Minshew and didn't. He showed he has some skills in Jacksonville / Philly. Now we can see him in Indy with AR hurt. He isnt a great QB but he is a good one. One that is cheap and could do what DJ has done here the last 4+ years. He is a FA after this season and will only cost 1/10th what DJ costs. I agree that a bridge guy would have been the better play than overpaying for 8. No other team was going to give him that kind of money. Whenever a QB needs a ton of support in order for them to even be average, they're not worth the money. That money they're giving 8 would be better served improving other aspects of the team, like the offensive line or OLB.
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Post by Analyst on Oct 22, 2023 16:51:44 GMT -5
Someone, anyone, make me the point that we are better with DJ than Taylor starting.
Go
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Post by Roswell on Oct 22, 2023 17:50:53 GMT -5
I think that there are very few QBs in the league that would beat Dallas, SF, and Miami without an Oline and without Barkley for 2 of those games.
If they give Jones an average Oline he would put up better numbers with these new receivers. He hasn’t had his 2 best offensive players.
They can win with him if they get average Oline play and Barkley.
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Post by McCherry on Oct 22, 2023 18:21:26 GMT -5
I think that there are very few QBs in the league that would beat Dallas, SF, and Miami without an Oline and without Barkley for 2 of those games. If they give Jones an average Oline he would put up better numbers with these new receivers. He hasn’t had his 2 best offensive players. They can win with him if they get average Oline play and Barkley. I have to agree, and we'll find out soon enough.
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