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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 19, 2024 11:38:34 GMT -5
Glad that some in the front office still loves Jones as franchise QB even though some of the more challenged here don't. Neck injury is still of concern so maybe Giants will address QB issue in later rounds. Nix would be a nice pick-up. Who in the FO still “loves” Jones? The only ones who still love Jones are delusional and obsessed fans like yourself that treat your Daniel Jones blow up doll like a carnival ride.
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 19, 2024 11:48:12 GMT -5
Has bad as Blake bortles was, he still put up better numbers then Dan Jones. Not even close really. But they do share similarities. Both overdrafted. Both had a okay rookie seasons. Both swindled their teams into giving them a second contract. Imo Dan Jones best comp is, Dave Brown. Dan Jones IS Dave Brown 2.0. Generic name ---✓ Went to Duke ---✓ Massively overdrafted by Giants----✓ Stunk ----✓ Stuck around for far too long ---✓ Giants actually one upped themselves in being idiots ...this time they got him in the first round and gave him a second contract ...that too at the tune of 40m a year... Dan Jones stands alone Mitchell Trubisky has been my comp for him the last couple of years. Good enough to be a backup but not good enough to elevate the offense. He does what he is told but struggles to evolve beyond that. The majority of QBs aren't good enough to materially elevate their offenses in general it's about 10%-20% a year. The second tier QBs generally add value to their teams but they aren't carrying anything.
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Post by miggs on Mar 19, 2024 11:59:37 GMT -5
Glad that some in the front office still loves Jones as franchise QB even though some of the more challenged here don't. Neck injury is still of concern so maybe Giants will address QB issue in later rounds. Nix would be a nice pick-up. Who in the FO still “loves” Jones? The only ones who still love Jones are delusional and obsessed fans like yourself that treat your Daniel Jones blow up doll like a carnival ride. The article didn't name them. I suggest you read the New York Giants football site. You've given a good description of yourself. You'd be far better off saying you don't think he's a franchise QB or is not a good QB, rather than launch personal attacks on those of us who like him. Only here can one read he wasn't very good in 2022 because the Giants played weak teams or he wasn't consistent. No one ever blames the play calling nor his surrounding cast. One reason Giants fans have such a bad reputation. Also not helped by die-hard fans booing their own players at games.
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Post by DandyDon on Mar 19, 2024 12:24:25 GMT -5
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Post by Roswell on Mar 19, 2024 12:28:32 GMT -5
Eli Manning will be in the HOF. Eli Manning was 32-51 from 2014-2019. I’m not comparing Manning and Jones. Manning is a 2 time SB MVP. I used that stat to illustrate how dependent even a future HOFer like Eli is on a supporting cast. Jones has never had a good Oline. That’s a fact. One or two years, they were bottom middle tier. They suck. Jones is beat up and the Giants need to develop someone else. But without an Oline, the next guy will suffer the same fate. Will he make a few more plays and “throw guys open?” Maybe. But behind the Swiss cheese line, he’s just part of the sandwich that the D will devour. You do realize both the Oline and The QB can be bad? There's 5 years of proof to show you this. Fact is, Dan Jones is JAG, he makes no else better. He needs a good Oline and supporting cast to play on an average level. And I’m sure you realize that it is hard to know what you really have as a QB when you never put him behind a good line.
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 19, 2024 13:33:48 GMT -5
Interesting...and if true, it's going to make some Giants fans very unhappy.
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Post by Analyst on Mar 19, 2024 13:40:06 GMT -5
Smoke No way they didnt see what we did, an immediately improved offense once Taylor and DeVito got in the game. They almost have to say that anyways given his contract. It was a franchise QB contract. So, he is a franchise QB no matter how poorly he played. Injuries are definitely a worry, and should have been BEFORE Schoen gave out that contract.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 19, 2024 13:53:00 GMT -5
Who in the FO still “loves” Jones? The only ones who still love Jones are delusional and obsessed fans like yourself that treat your Daniel Jones blow up doll like a carnival ride. The article didn't name them. I suggest you read the New York Giants football site. You've given a good description of yourself. You'd be far better off saying you don't think he's a franchise QB or is not a good QB, rather than launch personal attacks on those of us who like him. Only here can one read he wasn't very good in 2022 because the Giants played weak teams or he wasn't consistent. No one ever blames the play calling nor his surrounding cast. One reason Giants fans have such a bad reputation. Also not helped by die-hard fans booing their own players at games. That’s a large word salad that says nothing.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 19, 2024 13:53:58 GMT -5
Who in the FO still “loves” Jones? The only ones who still love Jones are delusional and obsessed fans like yourself that treat your Daniel Jones blow up doll like a carnival ride. The article didn't name them. I suggest you read the New York Giants football site. You've given a good description of yourself. You'd be far better off saying you don't think he's a franchise QB or is not a good QB, rather than launch personal attacks on those of us who like him. Only here can one read he wasn't very good in 2022 because the Giants played weak teams or he wasn't consistent. No one ever blames the play calling nor his surrounding cast. One reason Giants fans have such a bad reputation. Also not helped by die-hard fans booing their own players at games. When you start telling people that they don't know anything about football if they disagree with you....all bets are off on that.
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Post by DandyDon on Mar 19, 2024 13:58:25 GMT -5
Interesting...and if true, it's going to make some Giants fans very unhappy.
I honestly can't see how they wouldn't be concerned about his injury history. I certainly am, especially his neck. We got spoiled by Gumby Eli...
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 19, 2024 15:07:59 GMT -5
The dreaded..."vote of confidence". They of course, will say they support Daniel Jones.....until they don't.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 19, 2024 15:19:03 GMT -5
The dreaded..."vote of confidence". They of course, will say they support Daniel Jones.....until they don't. That article says Schoen "insists he’ll be the starter in Week 1 provided he’s healthy." Pretty sure that's never been said. All I remember Schoen saying, while at the combine, is, "I have faith in Daniel as our starting QB."
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 19, 2024 15:24:01 GMT -5
The dreaded..."vote of confidence". They of course, will say they support Daniel Jones.....until they don't. Just like Schoen's comments in his introductory press conference = "this means he has all the faith in Jones that he'll option his fifth year."
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 19, 2024 15:50:20 GMT -5
Interesting...and if true, it's going to make some Giants fans very unhappy.
I honestly can't see how they wouldn't be concerned about his injury history. I certainly am, especially his neck. We got spoiled by Gumby Eli... We certainly did for a while.
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Post by cdngfan on Mar 19, 2024 16:11:11 GMT -5
I don’t understand why fans (not you Dandy) continue to listen to these statements and think the GM is giving fans information. These answers are designed to shut the media up and move them onto the next story. It hasn’t been 3 months (literally) since JS said that they are keeping Neal at RT. He didn’t say he was considering other options. Didn’t say “let’s get through free agency and the draft and see how it plays out”, not even a “it’s our preference to keep him at RT”. He unequivocally said we’re not moving Neal. This week there’s multiple reports saying Neal had better start thinking about LG. Did something change in 90 days or did we just not broadcast our plans across every GMs desk? Once again for the people in the back: these answers are designed to shut the media up and move them onto the next story.
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Post by McCherry on Mar 19, 2024 16:26:19 GMT -5
Interesting...and if true, it's going to make some Giants fans very unhappy. I don't have any problem believing the Giants aren't judging Jones completely on the 5 outlier games where everything fell apart around him. I also believe that they understand there is a real health concern with Jones. Certain Giants beat reporters have been saying this all offseason. Schoen has said this. Unless they trade for Aaron Rodgers, I don't see how Jones wouldn't start the season. Whether he remains there is the big question.
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Post by McCherry on Mar 19, 2024 16:52:43 GMT -5
I don’t understand why fans (not you Dandy) continue to listen to these statements and think the GM is giving fans information. These answers are designed to shut the media up and move them onto the next story. It hasn’t been 3 months (literally) since JS said that they are keeping Neal at RT. He didn’t say he was considering other options. Didn’t say “let’s get through free agency and the draft and see how it plays out”, not even a “it’s our preference to keep him at RT”. He unequivocally said we’re not moving Neal. This week there’s multiple reports saying Neal had better start thinking about LG. Did something change in 90 days or did we just not broadcast our plans across every GMs desk? Once again for the people in the back: these answers are designed to shut the media up and move them onto the next story. The quote from Schoen in January about Neal was this: “We’ll go through all those conversations over the next couple weeks,” Schoen told reporters. “Evan worked his tail off last offseason, he came in in great shape, had a good start to camp. He had a concussion, you know, so I expect him to attack this offseason the same way and we’ll see how it plays out.” giantswire.usatoday.com/2024/01/08/new-york-giants-wont-commit-to-evan-neal-starting-right-tackle-2024/That's pretty open ended. I think the hiring of Briscillo obviously will have the bigger impact in who will play where.
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Post by giantbob71 on Mar 19, 2024 20:01:03 GMT -5
Smoke No way they didnt see what we did, an immediately improved offense once Taylor and DeVito got in the game. They almost have to say that anyways given his contract. It was a franchise QB contract. So, he is a franchise QB no matter how poorly he played. Injuries are definitely a worry, and should have been BEFORE Schoen gave out that contract. Which makes the inhury clause that much more laughable, by Schoen. If Daniel Jones had been tagged last year, he wouldn't even be on the roster right now. The ONLY reason DJ is a Giant and will play, is because Schoen needs to save face and the Giants media machine is trying to spin a good narrative on a terrible decision. Unless DJ becomes a 4000 yard,30 passing TD QB overnight (not even close to happening), he'll be on a new team this time next year.
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 19, 2024 20:23:05 GMT -5
Interesting...and if true, it's going to make some Giants fans very unhappy. I don't have any problem believing the Giants aren't judging Jones completely on the 5 outlier games where everything fell apart around him. I also believe that they understand there is a real health concern with Jones. Certain Giants beat reporters have been saying this all offseason. Schoen has said this. Unless they trade for Aaron Rodgers, I don't see how Jones wouldn't start the season. Whether he remains there is the big question. I believe the plan is exactly what you laid out as long as he's healthy.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 19, 2024 20:35:08 GMT -5
Smoke No way they didnt see what we did, an immediately improved offense once Taylor and DeVito got in the game. They almost have to say that anyways given his contract. It was a franchise QB contract. So, he is a franchise QB no matter how poorly he played. Injuries are definitely a worry, and should have been BEFORE Schoen gave out that contract. Which makes the inhury clause that much more laughable, by Schoen. If Daniel Jones had been tagged last year, he wouldn't even be on the roster right now. The ONLY reason DJ is a Giant and will play, is because Schoen needs to save face and the Giants media machine is trying to spin a good narrative on a terrible decision. Unless DJ becomes a 4000 yard,30 passing TD QB overnight (not even close to happening), he'll be on a new team this time next year. I don't think it's about saving face. I think Schoen is smart enough not to double down on a mistake. I'm quite sure he understands to situation and is willing to face it in a way that has the interest of the team.
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Post by giantbob71 on Mar 19, 2024 20:55:38 GMT -5
Which makes the inhury clause that much more laughable, by Schoen. If Daniel Jones had been tagged last year, he wouldn't even be on the roster right now. The ONLY reason DJ is a Giant and will play, is because Schoen needs to save face and the Giants media machine is trying to spin a good narrative on a terrible decision. Unless DJ becomes a 4000 yard,30 passing TD QB overnight (not even close to happening), he'll be on a new team this time next year. I don't think it's about saving face. I think Schoen is smart enough not to double down on a mistake. I'm quite sure he understands to situation and is willing to face it in a way that has the interest of the team. The best interest of the team would be to cut DJ now. If DJ is seriously hurt in games, or practices, his 2025 salary becomes guaranteed (another $25 million). So, DJ being on the field, in any capacity, is a potential disaster ($47 million between salary and dead cap) after this year. I'm betting there's a hope that DJ can play decent football this year, by Schoen. Because if he doesn't, there's going to be a national media shitstorm, at the end of the year, when the true numbers surface (over $100 million of salary and dead cap) to keep DJ for 2 years. Add that to a losing team and/or Neal and/or Waller, and it could be an ugly February/March for JS.
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Post by Kruunch on Mar 19, 2024 20:59:51 GMT -5
Even a nut job like Antonio Brown is clowning on the Giants QB situation. Lmaoooooo This team has become a punchline with anyone and everyone taking their best shots.. The only thing the Giants will build around Jones is a moat filled with fluoroantimonic acid. As for his winning percentage.. Milli Vanilli has a better record than him. And if Schoen and the rest of the suits are making decisions based off that anchor of a contract. Then let the ocean floor be their watery grave. In case fans forget the abortion of an offense we had prior to his multitude of injuries. We were hovering around back yard football with a belly full of laxatives.. The Jones experiment which has caused mass hallucinations and fans talking in tongues. Died once an Uber driver and journeyman started moving the chains without help.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 19, 2024 21:40:11 GMT -5
I don't think it's about saving face. I think Schoen is smart enough not to double down on a mistake. I'm quite sure he understands to situation and is willing to face it in a way that has the interest of the team. The best interest of the team would be to cut DJ now. If DJ is seriously hurt in games, or practices, his 2025 salary becomes guaranteed (another $25 million). So, DJ being on the field, in any capacity, is a potential disaster ($47 million between salary and dead cap) after this year. I'm betting there's a hope that DJ can play decent football this year, by Schoen. Because if he doesn't, there's going to be a national media shitstorm, at the end of the year, when the true numbers surface (over $100 million of salary and dead cap) to keep DJ for 2 years. Add that to a losing team and/or Neal and/or Waller, and it could be an ugly February/March for JS. Cutting him now would bring an almost $70MM cap hit. We'd have to cut a crapload of players and still wouldn't have enough to sign our draft picks. They have no choice but to wait until 2025.
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Post by miggs on Mar 19, 2024 21:44:22 GMT -5
The article didn't name them. I suggest you read the New York Giants football site. You've given a good description of yourself. You'd be far better off saying you don't think he's a franchise QB or is not a good QB, rather than launch personal attacks on those of us who like him. Only here can one read he wasn't very good in 2022 because the Giants played weak teams or he wasn't consistent. No one ever blames the play calling nor his surrounding cast. One reason Giants fans have such a bad reputation. Also not helped by die-hard fans booing their own players at games. That’s a large word salad that says nothing. Read article. I says multiple people in the Giants front office who say Jones is a a franchise QB. Just glad you're not in the FO as you wouldn't know a good player from a bad one.
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Post by Modog on Mar 19, 2024 21:56:56 GMT -5
The best thing to do is cut DJ now and swallow your loses...you made the bed now lie in it. If DJ sticks around and starts it will only get worse. You think Giants are a punching bag right now, it will be rock bottom when DJ stinks up the joint next year before getting hurt again. Not if, but when.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 19, 2024 22:00:07 GMT -5
That’s a large word salad that says nothing. Read article. I says multiple people in the Giants front office who say Jones is a a franchise QB. Just glad you're not in the FO as you wouldn't know a good player from a bad one. lol Good one Miggs.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 19, 2024 22:24:19 GMT -5
That’s a large word salad that says nothing. Read article. I says multiple people in the Giants front office who say Jones is a a franchise QB. Just glad you're not in the FO as you wouldn't know a good player from a bad one. I think I heard one of the secretaries in the office thinks he's cute. That's about it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2024 22:32:49 GMT -5
The best thing to do is cut DJ now and swallow your loses...you made the bed now lie in it. I don’t have the answer to the qb questions, but cutting him before draft would be bad no? Seems like it would show the teams hand.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 19, 2024 22:38:43 GMT -5
The best thing to do is cut DJ now and swallow your loses...you made the bed now lie in it. If DJ sticks around and starts it will only get worse. You think Giants are a punching bag right now, it will be rock bottom when DJ stinks up the joint next year before getting hurt again. Not if, but when. it’s a risk he gets I injured and your’re on the hook yet if he does play decent the Giants could move him next off-season. It might be a Fields return yet looking at that early 2025 QB class, somebody may want him. Everything would need to go right and he is an injury risk. Rough spot
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Post by giantbob71 on Mar 19, 2024 23:53:06 GMT -5
The best interest of the team would be to cut DJ now. If DJ is seriously hurt in games, or practices, his 2025 salary becomes guaranteed (another $25 million). So, DJ being on the field, in any capacity, is a potential disaster ($47 million between salary and dead cap) after this year. I'm betting there's a hope that DJ can play decent football this year, by Schoen. Because if he doesn't, there's going to be a national media shitstorm, at the end of the year, when the true numbers surface (over $100 million of salary and dead cap) to keep DJ for 2 years. Add that to a losing team and/or Neal and/or Waller, and it could be an ugly February/March for JS. Cutting him now would bring an almost $70MM cap hit. We'd have to cut a crapload of players and still wouldn't have enough to sign our draft picks. They have no choice but to wait until 2025. My bad... you're right. Send him home and treat him like the Raiders treated Derek Carr.
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