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Post by miggs on Mar 18, 2024 9:57:38 GMT -5
We are all just expressing our opinion. We'll see how things shake out.
Hope you get your wish and Jones at some point moves on. Like to see both Jones and the Giants have success.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 18, 2024 10:11:23 GMT -5
We are all just expressing our opinion. We'll see how things shake out. Hope you get your wish and Jones at some point moves on. Like to see both Jones and the Giants have success. lipstick đ doesnât hide the troll đ§ in you. But, thatâs just an opinion. Just kidding, we know Bill Walsh has nothing on you. Regarding Jones, all Giants fans want Jones to do well. Nobody besides yourself has implied or outwardly said otherwise. Then again, your words âI donât really follow the NFLâ and we know you arenât a Giants fan so . . . I guess youâre filling a void.
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Post by SG88 on Mar 18, 2024 11:23:55 GMT -5
Even a nut job like Antonio Brown is clowning on the Giants QB situation. Lmaoooooo
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Post by miggs on Mar 18, 2024 11:54:27 GMT -5
We are all just expressing our opinion. We'll see how things shake out. Hope you get your wish and Jones at some point moves on. Like to see both Jones and the Giants have success. lipstick đ doesnât hide the troll đ§ in you.  But, thatâs just an opinion.  Just kidding, we know Bill Walsh has nothing on you. Regarding Jones, all Giants fans want Jones to do well.  Nobody besides yourself has implied or outwardly said otherwise.  Then again, your words âI donât really follow the NFLâ and we know you arenât a Giants fan so . . . I guess youâre filling a void. Be nice if you would not be so consumed with diversionary and address the Giants. Lots of fans think Jones sucks and won't do well anywhere. I and a few others here think he's very good. I've written that I only like to watch smart good football and will root for a team that does so even if the talent level has not reached the point it needs to be. The Giants two years ago did show glimpses of smart football at times, but has not since as both their plays and playing calling is far from where both need to be, but injuries have also limited both. Football is not my favorite sport due to all the injuries that often derail a team's success. I do prefer basketball and baseball.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 18, 2024 12:05:29 GMT -5
lipstick đ doesnât hide the troll đ§ in you. But, thatâs just an opinion. Just kidding, we know Bill Walsh has nothing on you. Regarding Jones, all Giants fans want Jones to do well. Nobody besides yourself has implied or outwardly said otherwise. Then again, your words âI donât really follow the NFLâ and we know you arenât a Giants fan so . . . I guess youâre filling a void. Be nice if you would not be so consumed with diversionary and address the Giants. Lots of fans think Jones sucks and won't do well anywhere. I and a few others here think he's very good. I've written that I only like to watch smart good football and will root for a team that does so even if the talent level has not reached the point it needs to be. The Giants two years ago did show glimpses of smart football at times, but has not since. Football is not my favorite sport due to all the injuries that often derail a team's success. I do prefer basketball and baseball. Fair enough....But you're talking to fans who root for the Giants no matter what. We're all loyal to our team. By your own admission, you're "fandom" is conditional. Ours is not.
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Post by miggs on Mar 18, 2024 12:11:46 GMT -5
Be nice if you would not be so consumed with diversionary and address the Giants. Lots of fans think Jones sucks and won't do well anywhere. I and a few others here think he's very good. I've written that I only like to watch smart good football and will root for a team that does so even if the talent level has not reached the point it needs to be. The Giants two years ago did show glimpses of smart football at times, but has not since. Football is not my favorite sport due to all the injuries that often derail a team's success. I do prefer basketball and baseball. Fair enough....But you're talking to fans who root for the Giants no matter what. We're all loyal to our team. By your own admission, you're "fandom" is conditional.  Ours is not. I applaud you for that. I just can't watch bad football. I like the cerebral part of the game. Can't watch dumb down football. I rooted for the Niners their first year under Walsh when they won but 2-games,as the style of play was exciting to watch.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 18, 2024 13:15:16 GMT -5
Fair enough....But you're talking to fans who root for the Giants no matter what. We're all loyal to our team. By your own admission, you're "fandom" is conditional.  Ours is not. I applaud you for that. I just can't watch bad football. And yet by your own admission you became a fan of the Giants in 2021. During year seven of the ten year stretch of being the worst team in the NFC and possibly the NFL. You make no sense. And yet your only support of Jones reverts back to the 2022 season where our offense was dumbed down in order for him to operate. Again, you make no sense.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Mar 18, 2024 13:46:32 GMT -5
Fair enough....But you're talking to fans who root for the Giants no matter what. We're all loyal to our team. By your own admission, you're "fandom" is conditional. Ours is not. I applaud you for that . I just can't watch bad football. I like the cerebral part of the game. Can't watch dumb down football. I rooted for the Niners their first year under Walsh when they won but 2-games,as the style of play was exciting to watch. Then you should be the first to want a QB that actually makes LOS adjustments, and can make more than half-field reads You're a contradiction, when one understands that you're a fan of the player, before the team, everything you say makes complete sense
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Post by mendy on Mar 18, 2024 14:12:32 GMT -5
Even a nut job like Antonio Brown is clowning on the Giants QB situation. Lmaoooooo Can I ask how many playoff games those guys played in and won, just asking.
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Post by jaymas on Mar 18, 2024 16:05:28 GMT -5
Even a nut job like Antonio Brown is clowning on the Giants QB situation. Lmaoooooo Can I ask how many playoff games those guys played in and won, just asking. I like Jones better than all four of those guys, and he does have a playoff win on his resume (Mac Jones did play in a playoff game fyi). But the point is true. We're also talking about double the time those guys had, so relative to the situation, it's fair. Now, the Giants don't have a choice for this year considering the contract they gave DJ, but the fact is he didn't make the progress the FO and coaching staff bet he would make and has added two more major injuries to his count.
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Post by Modog on Mar 18, 2024 16:10:37 GMT -5
Can I ask how many playoff games those guys played in and won, just asking. I like Jones better than all four of those guys, and he does have a playoff win on his resume (Mac Jones did play in a playoff game fyi). But the point is true. We're also talking about double the time those guys had, so relative to the situation, it's fair. Now, the Giants don't have a choice for this year considering the contract they gave DJ, but the fact is he didn't make the progress the FO and coaching staff bet he would make and has added two more major injuries to his count. Imagine the stats or playoff wins, those other guys would have if given the same amount of opportunities we gave Dan Jones. Most teams know what they have with someone after 3 years and rightly cut loses and move on.
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Post by giantbob71 on Mar 18, 2024 16:16:26 GMT -5
Even a nut job like Antonio Brown is clowning on the Giants QB situation. Lmaoooooo Can I ask how many playoff games those guys played in and won, just asking. 22-37-1
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 18, 2024 17:05:39 GMT -5
Fair enough....But you're talking to fans who root for the Giants no matter what. We're all loyal to our team. By your own admission, you're "fandom" is conditional. Ours is not. I applaud you for that. I just can't watch bad football. I like the cerebral part of the game. Can't watch dumb down football. I rooted for the Niners their first year under Walsh when they won but 2-games,as the style of play was exciting to watch. "I like the cerebral part of the game"....... Passive aggression nonsense. Work on your people skills. They aren't especially sharp at this point.
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Post by Modog on Mar 18, 2024 17:40:40 GMT -5
Even a nut job like Antonio Brown is clowning on the Giants QB situation. Lmaoooooo Can I ask how many playoff games those guys played in and won, just asking. Ha, causing wining a playoff game makes a QB better than his contemporaries.. if that's the case Mark Sanchez with 4 playoff wins is a much better QB then Warren Moon. As well being 4x better then your favorite bum QB.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 18, 2024 17:43:47 GMT -5
Even a nut job like Antonio Brown is clowning on the Giants QB situation. Lmaoooooo Can I ask how many playoff games those guys played in and won, just asking. Desperate retort at best.
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Post by miggs on Mar 18, 2024 18:40:45 GMT -5
I applaud you for that. I just can't watch bad football. And yet by your own admission you became a fan of the Giants in 2021. During year seven of the ten year stretch of being the worst team in the NFC and possibly the NFL. You make no sense. And yet your only support of Jones reverts back to the 2022 season where our offense was dumbed down in order for him to operate. Again, you make no sense. I started having some interest in the Giants in 2021, not before then. But I quickly lost interest during the season seeing how bad Garrrett ran the offense, and seeing that Judge was just a talker. Renewed my interest in the Giants the following year with the hiring of Daboll and believing that Jones would thrive with new coaching and he did.. Offense in 2021 was not dumbed down. You may think so, but I didn't think that. It didn have problems with Giants plays and play calling.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 18, 2024 18:42:50 GMT -5
Can I ask how many playoff games those guys played in and won, just asking. Desperate retort at best. ....and foolishly uninformed.
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Post by giantsalmon on Mar 18, 2024 19:04:56 GMT -5
He's no more injury prone that any other QB who plays behind a crappy offensive line. Also the game is violent and especially so given the size of the players and their ability to hit so hard. So accept that many players will be hurt and you'll be dissapointed each season. Eli never missed a game skippy. Was a non-contact injury. Very disconcerting. I have heard that they(ACLs) can be fixed better than new, but is it going to cost a step? I have also heard that when guys bulk up that genetically have a slender build it stresses the joints more than normal. Kudos to Jones for his work behind the scenes and off the field, but it is what it is. Will the other knee be a ticking time bomb? Again, we are talking about a QB who uses his legs as a weapon--right from day one as a NYG QB. I was solidly in DJs corner but I cant ignore the fact that a QB making franchise money cannot routinely miss time, not to mention possible career ending repetitive spine/neck injuries. I remember Bridgewater being a hot prospect and Minnys starter hdg into the season. He had a non contact ACL injury in camp and never came back to his prior form. Ended up bouncing around as a back up. This is not criticism of Jones, it just is what it is and NYG must consider all aspects in any future decisions. The draft will tell us alot if they take a QB in the first two rounds. If they dont we still dont truly know how this all plays out until camp and the season.
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Post by miggs on Mar 18, 2024 21:48:59 GMT -5
Surprising that so much attention is focused on Giants players and so little on his low bad Giants plays and play calling has been compared to teams like KC and the Niners. That's the one area I want to see the Giants significantly improve. Been very unimpressed with both Daboll and Kafka.
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Post by SG88 on Mar 18, 2024 22:11:54 GMT -5
Even a nut job like Antonio Brown is clowning on the Giants QB situation. Lmaoooooo Can I ask how many playoff games those guys played in and won, just asking. None of course. 8 has the same amount of playoff wins as Tim Tebow and was gone in 2 years. Blake Bortles actually has more and was gone in 5 or 6. Now that we're thinking about it, 8 is very similar to Blake Bortles skill wise and career projection wise. Jacksonville got hoodwinked by a playoff run and gave him more money. They regretted doing it in the immediate following season. Thanks for bringing this up bro.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 18, 2024 22:14:55 GMT -5
Surprising that so much attention is focused on Giants players and so little on his low bad Giants plays and play calling has been compared to teams like KC and the Niners. That's the one area I want to see the Giants significantly improve. Been very unimpressed with both Daboll and Kafka. Thanks for sharing another cerebral moment.
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Post by SG88 on Mar 18, 2024 22:15:08 GMT -5
Can I ask how many playoff games those guys played in and won, just asking. Desperate retort at best. It's all good. He did me a solid by bringing it up. 8 is Blake Bortles incarnate.
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Post by Modog on Mar 19, 2024 7:36:46 GMT -5
Desperate retort at best. It's all good. He did me a solid by bringing it up. 8 is Blake Bortles incarnate. Has bad as Blake bortles was, he still put up better numbers then Dan Jones. Not even close really. But they do share similarities. Both overdrafted. Both had a okay rookie seasons. Both swindled their teams into giving them a second contract. Imo Dan Jones best comp is, Dave Brown. Dan Jones IS Dave Brown 2.0. Generic name ---â Went to Duke ---â Massively overdrafted by Giants----â Stunk ----â Stuck around for far too long ---â Giants actually one upped themselves in being idiots ...this time they got him in the first round and gave him a second contract ...that too at the tune of 40m a year... Dan Jones stands alone
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Post by bluebuddha on Mar 19, 2024 7:52:50 GMT -5
It's all good. He did me a solid by bringing it up. 8 is Blake Bortles incarnate. Has bad as Blake bortles was, he still put up better numbers then Dan Jones. Not even close really. But they do share similarities. Both overdrafted. Both had a okay rookie seasons. Both swindled their teams into giving them a second contract. Imo Dan Jones best comp is, Dave Brown. Dan Jones IS Dave Brown 2.0. Generic name ---â Went to Duke ---â Massively overdrafted by Giants----â Stunk ----â Stuck around for far too long ---â Giants actually one upped themselves in being idiots ...this time they got him in the first round and gave him a second contract ...that too at the tune of 40m a year... Dan Jones stands alone Mitchell Trubisky has been my comp for him the last couple of years. Good enough to be a backup but not good enough to elevate the offense. He does what he is told but struggles to evolve beyond that.
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Post by mendy on Mar 19, 2024 7:53:42 GMT -5
I like Jones better than all four of those guys, and he does have a playoff win on his resume (Mac Jones did play in a playoff game fyi). But the point is true. We're also talking about double the time those guys had, so relative to the situation, it's fair. Now, the Giants don't have a choice for this year considering the contract they gave DJ, but the fact is he didn't make the progress the FO and coaching staff bet he would make and has added two more major injuries to his count. Imagine the stats or playoff wins, those other guys would have if given the same amount of opportunities we gave Dan Jones. Most teams know what they have with someone after 3 years and rightly cut loses and move on. You're right , Giants should have moved on from Simms after year 5.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 19, 2024 9:22:51 GMT -5
Desperate retort at best. It's all good. He did me a solid by bringing it up. 8 is Blake Bortles incarnate. Sprinkle in a little Mitch Trubisky as well.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 19, 2024 9:30:47 GMT -5
Imagine the stats or playoff wins, those other guys would have if given the same amount of opportunities we gave Dan Jones. Most teams know what they have with someone after 3 years and rightly cut loses and move on. You're right , Giants should have moved on from Simms after year 5.lol, thereâs the âSimmsâ retort. Youâre down to a repertoire of four responses.
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Post by miggs on Mar 19, 2024 10:27:49 GMT -5
Glad that some in the front office still loves Jones as franchise QB even though some of the more challenged here don't. Neck injury is still of concern so maybe Giants will address QB issue in later rounds. Nix would be a nice pick-up.
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Post by Roswell on Mar 19, 2024 10:54:35 GMT -5
Can I ask how many playoff games those guys played in and won, just asking. 22-37-1 Eli Manning will be in the HOF. Eli Manning was 32-51 from 2014-2019. Iâm not comparing Manning and Jones. Manning is a 2 time SB MVP. I used that stat to illustrate how dependent even a future HOFer like Eli is on a supporting cast. Jones has never had a good Oline. Thatâs a fact. One or two years, they were bottom middle tier. They suck. Jones is beat up and the Giants need to develop someone else. But without an Oline, the next guy will suffer the same fate. Will he make a few more plays and âthrow guys open?â Maybe. But behind the Swiss cheese line, heâs just part of the sandwich that the D will devour.
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Post by Modog on Mar 19, 2024 11:10:29 GMT -5
Eli Manning will be in the HOF. Eli Manning was 32-51 from 2014-2019. Iâm not comparing Manning and Jones. Manning is a 2 time SB MVP. I used that stat to illustrate how dependent even a future HOFer like Eli is on a supporting cast. Jones has never had a good Oline. Thatâs a fact. One or two years, they were bottom middle tier. They suck. Jones is beat up and the Giants need to develop someone else. But without an Oline, the next guy will suffer the same fate. Will he make a few more plays and âthrow guys open?â Maybe. But behind the Swiss cheese line, heâs just part of the sandwich that the D will devour. You do realize both the Oline and The QB can be bad? There's 5 years of proof to show you this. Fact is, Dan Jones is JAG, he makes no else better. He needs a good Oline and supporting cast to play on an average level.
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