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Post by imgrate on Jan 29, 2024 19:08:52 GMT -5
LOL, oh yea, duh. Brain Fart, Neal just plays like a rookie at times In his collective 2 seasons, he still hasn't played a full season of games due to injuries, really holds him back. I mean, thats the biggest hope, while also being another concern. He has had leg injuries in both seasons, so maybe some of the adjustment, especially his struggles with speed rushers has been exacerbated by the injuries. And so, the hope is that if he gets healthy, maybe he’ll improve significantly. The concern is obvious… is he not only a bad player, but also injury prone? |
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 29, 2024 20:07:42 GMT -5
In his collective 2 seasons, he still hasn't played a full season of games due to injuries, really holds him back. I mean, thats the biggest hope, while also being another concern. He has had leg injuries in both seasons, so maybe some of the adjustment, especially his struggles with speed rushers has been exacerbated by the injuries. And so, the hope is that if he gets healthy, maybe he’ll improve significantly. The concern is obvious… is he not only a bad player, but also injury prone? we simply don't know the answer to that, hopefully he comes in to this season healthy though to at least have a fighting chance. |
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Post by piddy283 on Jan 31, 2024 15:07:46 GMT -5
Spencer Ratliff is looking pretty good today. Solid arm.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 31, 2024 22:25:57 GMT -5
Spencer Ratliff is looking pretty good today. Solid arm. He has the tools to be a good QB just consistency. I mentioned his as some one we could take a flyer on a little later if thing don't work out rds1 and 2 |
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 1, 2024 6:06:27 GMT -5
Spencer Ratliff is looking pretty good today. Solid arm. He has the tools to be a good QB just consistency. I mentioned his as some one we could take a flyer on a little later if thing don't work out rds1 and 2 I’m trying to base my opinions of these QBs from what I see on the field and not from what I hear about them off the field. That said, the two prospects I have legit concerns with off the field are C. Williams and S. Ratliff. |
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Post by Analyst on Feb 7, 2024 19:58:35 GMT -5
With Shea Tierney the QB Coach, now offensive passing game coordinator, and him coming in hot off coaching the senior bowl for the National Team, do you guys think he likes what he saw in the guys like Nix, Penix and/or Hartman? I beleive those were his 3 QBs.
I didn't see the game.
I wonder how much of an impact that will have on our QB decision making.
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 8, 2024 7:28:33 GMT -5
With Shea Tierney the QB Coach, now offensive passing game coordinator, and him coming in hot off coaching the senior bowl for the National Team, do you guys think he likes what he saw in the guys like Nix, Penix and/or Hartman? I beleive those were his 3 QBs. I didn't see the game. I wonder how much of an impact that will have on our QB decision making.
I didn't see the game either but reports suggest those three struggled during the week at practice. I'm not putting much stock in those reports, though. I tend to think the only positions you can evaluate at these all-star practices are the OL and DL, and to a lesser extent the WRs and CBs.
If nothing else, getting to work with all three QBs should've helped Tierney get a feel for their personalities, how well they can retain basic info, etc. Hopefully it's a leg up for us come draft day.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Feb 8, 2024 11:32:28 GMT -5
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Post by Nite on Feb 9, 2024 14:36:16 GMT -5
Spencer Ratliff is looking pretty good today. Solid arm. Don't do a Getty. Its only 1 game with most of players mailing it in. He was benched by OK for Caleb Williams. At best he is a late 2nd rnd or 3rd rnd pick |
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 9, 2024 15:56:08 GMT -5
Spencer Ratliff is looking pretty good today. Solid arm. Don't do a Getty. It’s only 1 game with most of players mailing it in. He was benched by OK for Caleb Williams. At best he is a late 2nd rnd or 3rd rnd pick I was referring to drills. I didn’t actually watch the game. Not a big fan of his personality. Seems like a tool. |
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 9, 2024 18:44:32 GMT -5
Any Tennessee fans? Just started watching some of Joe Milton’s film and he looks pretty good. Absolute cannon of an arm, big frame, can move. I’ve read he has accuracy issues but I watched some of the Alabama game from earlier this year and didn’t notice anything too bad. Seems like an interesting prospect.
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Post by Rangers13 on Feb 10, 2024 13:42:11 GMT -5
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 11, 2024 10:50:05 GMT -5
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 12, 2024 8:42:01 GMT -5
Wouldn't shock me. The kid just turned 21 a couple weeks ago. Despite his age, he looks completely composed playing from the pocket and he has all the tools. While he might not have the on-field production of players like Bo Nix, I continue to rank him higher based on his age.
Maye is also 21, which I didn't realize until recently. The upside of both prospects is very intriguing in my opinion.
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 12, 2024 8:55:19 GMT -5
I think flyer worth considering if we don't go QB early is Joe Milton III from Tenn. Has one of the best arms in the draft easy. Throws bombs. Draft him have DJ and a 1 year Vet and let Milton try to develop. He is big and is tough like Josh Allen. 6'5" 230. Scrambles around too. Very similar criticisms that Allen had as well. In fact, similar to Anthony Richardson... Maybe a little less athletic. He wont be scared to throw the ball deep though thats for sure.
Milton caught my eye the other day. I haven't watched much, but as you mention he has an absolute howitzer for an arm. He also has an ideal frame with enough athleticism to get by in the NFL. I've heard he struggles with accuracy but I didn't notice anything too bad in the one game I watched. He's also turning 24 next month.
I'm going to dive into the next tier of QBs here soon, but simply based on tools Milton looks like an interesting prospect. Would love to get input from a Tennessee fan if there are any on the MB.
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Post by DJones19 on Feb 13, 2024 12:54:46 GMT -5
From one of the rare guys who was an outspoken critic of Johnny Manziel in college when Manziel was a star.
After watching 6 games of Caleb Williams Merrill Hodge said,
"The one thing is clear is Caleb Williams is not special, he's not unique like a Patrick Mahomes....he ain't even remotely close to that."
Doesn't parrot the company narrative. I see why he is no longer employed by ESPN.
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Post by nobelichickin2025 on Feb 13, 2024 17:47:06 GMT -5
I want JJ McCarthy is they stay at 6
21 years old
Pro Style Coaching
Has played under center
Has all the physical tools
Alpha Male Personality
Kid is raw enough to soak up coaching easier. None of these kids are finished products. Daboll was hired to develop a QB and build a dynamic offense. No more mistakes.
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Post by imgrate on Feb 14, 2024 9:24:16 GMT -5
Wouldn't shock me. The kid just turned 21 a couple weeks ago. Despite his age, he looks completely composed playing from the pocket and he has all the tools. While he might not have the on-field production of players like Bo Nix, I continue to rank him higher based on his age.
Maye is also 21, which I didn't realize until recently. The upside of both prospects is very intriguing in my opinion.
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Post by imgrate on Feb 14, 2024 9:27:28 GMT -5
From one of the rare guys who was an outspoken critic of Johnny Manziel in college when Manziel was a star. After watching 6 games of Caleb Williams Merrill Hodge said, "The one thing is clear is Caleb Williams is not special, he's not unique like a Patrick Mahomes....he ain't even remotely close to that." Doesn't parrot the company narrative. I see why he is no longer employed by ESPN. Yet, he had mahomes and watson as 2nd round prospects wgnradio.com/sports/hoge-ranking-the-top-10-quarterbacks-in-the-2017-nfl-draft/amp/ |
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 14, 2024 11:14:26 GMT -5
From one of the rare guys who was an outspoken critic of Johnny Manziel in college when Manziel was a star. After watching 6 games of Caleb Williams Merrill Hodge said, "The one thing is clear is Caleb Williams is not special, he's not unique like a Patrick Mahomes....he ain't even remotely close to that." Doesn't parrot the company narrative. I see why he is no longer employed by ESPN. Yet, he had mahomes and watson as 2nd round prospects wgnradio.com/sports/hoge-ranking-the-top-10-quarterbacks-in-the-2017-nfl-draft/amp/
There were plenty of people who weren't high on Manziel. He's not in the same stratosphere as Williams.
Also, Mahomes is 1 of 1. Saying Williams isn't Mahomes isn't a knock on Williams. He doesn't have to be Mahomes to be considered a success. The similarities between the two have to do with their pocket presence, their ability to extend plays, and their arm talent. Folks can say what they want about his personality, but Williams ability to throw the ball is special. We don't see that type of arm talent too often.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 16, 2024 13:56:05 GMT -5
Don't do a Getty. It’s only 1 game with most of players mailing it in. He was benched by OK for Caleb Williams. At best he is a late 2nd rnd or 3rd rnd pick I was referring to drills. I didn’t actually watch the game. Not a big fan of his personality. Seems like a tool. If they miss out and are in round 4 and he's still hanging around there's a chance they take that leap, he would probably be gone by then it's a QB needy league and he seems to be acting the part these days he has he arm talent and enough movement skills to entice someone. |
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Post by nobelichickin2025 on Feb 16, 2024 14:18:37 GMT -5
I think flyer worth considering if we don't go QB early is Joe Milton III from Tenn. Has one of the best arms in the draft easy. Throws bombs. Draft him have DJ and a 1 year Vet and let Milton try to develop. He is big and is tough like Josh Allen. 6'5" 230. Scrambles around too. Very similar criticisms that Allen had as well. In fact, similar to Anthony Richardson... Maybe a little less athletic. He wont be scared to throw the ball deep though thats for sure.
Milton caught my eye the other day. I haven't watched much, but as you mention he has an absolute howitzer for an arm. He also has an ideal frame with enough athleticism to get by in the NFL. I've heard he struggles with accuracy but I didn't notice anything too bad in the one game I watched. He's also turning 24 next month.
I'm going to dive into the next tier of QBs here soon, but simply based on tools Milton looks like an interesting prospect. Would love to get input from a Tennessee fan if there are any on the MB.
Milton would be my choice as a Day 3 pick, but his accuracy and processing give me very little hope. He is an NFL athlete that played QB. Don’t think he is salvageable as a passer. You’d need to build him an offenar and hope he learns and improves over time. |
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Post by fifthavephil on Feb 16, 2024 15:14:07 GMT -5
Milton caught my eye the other day. I haven't watched much, but as you mention he has an absolute howitzer for an arm. He also has an ideal frame with enough athleticism to get by in the NFL. I've heard he struggles with accuracy but I didn't notice anything too bad in the one game I watched. He's also turning 24 next month.
I'm going to dive into the next tier of QBs here soon, but simply based on tools Milton looks like an interesting prospect. Would love to get input from a Tennessee fan if there are any on the MB.
Milton would be my choice as a Day 3 pick, but his accuracy and processing give me very little hope. He is an NFL athlete that played QB. Don’t think he is salvageable as a passer. You’d need to build him an offenar and hope he learns and improves over time. I agree , Milton will make a good TE or receiver. His accuracy is not good. |
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Post by Analyst on Feb 17, 2024 7:26:53 GMT -5
Milton would be my choice as a Day 3 pick, but his accuracy and processing give me very little hope. He is an NFL athlete that played QB. Don’t think he is salvageable as a passer. You’d need to build him an offenar and hope he learns and improves over time. I agree , Milton will make a good TE or receiver. His accuracy is not good. So you are saying he is the next Daniel Jones? Lol A GM did want him to try out as a TE just sayin... Seriously though, Milton is raw as they come which is why he would be drafted late which he should be. No one is saying draft him top 3 rounds. He was tremendous raw talent you can't teach. I'd take a flyer on him and see if you catch lightning in a bottle. Josh Allen also had a lot of trouble being accurate in college too. He developed into one of the best QBs in the game. Lots of similarities. And lots of similarities to Anthony Richardson too. Both were drafted top 7 picks. |
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Post by Analyst on Feb 17, 2024 7:28:08 GMT -5
Apparently I'm not the only one not high on Caleb Williams.  |
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 17, 2024 7:39:21 GMT -5
Apparently I'm not the only one not high on Caleb Williams. Like or dislike him, calling him a bust so far before he's even been drafted is simply ridiculous. |
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Post by Analyst on Feb 17, 2024 8:28:23 GMT -5
Apparently I'm not the only one not high on Caleb Williams. Like or dislike him, calling him a bust so far before he's even been drafted is simply ridiculous. I think what is meant by that is he is GOING to be a bust. Thats my take anyway. The guy thinks he will be a bust. I agree though. If Caleb Williams slips to the 49ers somehow, still going to say he is going to be a bust? Not sure about that. He has talent, I just dont see #1 overall QB talent, and really worry about his personality. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 17, 2024 8:50:48 GMT -5
Like or dislike him, calling him a bust so far before he's even been drafted is simply ridiculous. I think what is meant by that is he is GOING to be a bust. Thats my take anyway. The guy thinks he will be a bust. I agree though. If Caleb Williams slips to the 49ers somehow, still going to say he is going to be a bust? Not sure about that. He has talent, I just dont see #1 overall QB talent, and really worry about his personality. as long as he doesn't go to the Jets, he has a chance, lol... |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 17, 2024 9:38:11 GMT -5
Any Tennessee fans? Just started watching some of Joe Milton’s film and he looks pretty good. Absolute cannon of an arm, big frame, can move. I’ve read he has accuracy issues but I watched some of the Alabama game from earlier this year and didn’t notice anything too bad. Seems like an interesting prospect. Think as far as where he is as a QB he reminds a lot of Josh Allen coming out size and arm strength but equally as raw if someone can get him technically sound he could be a steal in this draft. Think he might last to the 4th rd, Allen had that Jayden Daniels like climb back then it was a little surprising to me because of the fact he played against lesser comp and was so raw. At the end of the day Beane and Schoen and company knew what they saw was real and traded twice to get to 7 to go get him so far even this no championships yet he has repaid their trust that he had the mental make up and work ethic to turn his flaws into strengths. Big question as far as a prospect like goes Milton does he have that work ethic and mental make up to over come what ever technical and mental as far as reading DE's anticipation timing and accuracy processing can he improve there. I'm not like a lot of people if they waited on him because they really like him, I would believe they have strong conviction in the fact that he can get him self right from meeting with him and the coaches that have worked with. I might be wrong but I think Schoen and Daboll need to get a QB in here that they chose to run their offense I really don't believe all the smoke coming out of 1925 Giants dr about Jones being the man, there should be urgency to do what ever it takes to get the best possible prospect they can and get it done now. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 17, 2024 10:01:46 GMT -5
Apparently I'm not the only one not high on Caleb Williams. Like or dislike him, calling him a bust so far before he's even been drafted is simply ridiculous. A lot more goes into getting a kid like him up and rolling not sure if he has the make up to over come if he doesn't land in a spot where they know how to grow a QB. Mahomes is a fantastic QB but man could have been schooled any better they made sure they got every ounce of his god given tenet out of him I mean having Andy Reid as his head coach was huge one of the best offensive minds to ver do it with a back ground as a QB Coach before OC and HC. Having a year to take that raw potential and mold it into what he has become while having a selfless vet in Alex Smith to work with him week in and week out while he lead the chiefs to the playoffs. I would say if you dropped Caleb Williams into that incubator and let him just sit and take it all in with a all time great Coach teaching him every day and an excellent vet tutoring him, last knowing he is starting out with play-off ready team, his chances of reaching his potential go way up. |
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