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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 11, 2024 7:45:01 GMT -5
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Post by Analyst on Apr 17, 2024 19:47:05 GMT -5
Crazy stat
Jayden Daniels when blitzed in 2023:
69-of-97 (71.1%), 1,072 yards, 17 TD, 0 INT.
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Post by piddy283 on Apr 18, 2024 9:24:24 GMT -5
Crazy stat Jayden Daniels when blitzed in 2023: 69-of-97 (71.1%), 1,072 yards, 17 TD, 0 INT. If he can stay healthy, and as long as he doesn’t go to Washington, he’s going to be fun to watch. He has franchise altering talent. I’m legit worried about him holding up though. Definition of boom or bust. |
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 18, 2024 13:59:47 GMT -5
Crazy stat Jayden Daniels when blitzed in 2023: 69-of-97 (71.1%), 1,072 yards, 17 TD, 0 INT. If he can stay healthy, and as long as he doesn’t go to Washington, he’s going to be fun to watch. He has franchise altering talent. I’m legit worried about him holding up though. Definition of boom or bust. It's seems highly likely that he WILL go to Washington. What happens at #3 is the big question I think. The Pats roster is dreadful. I think they would trade down to get more picks. |
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Post by piddy283 on Apr 18, 2024 14:23:07 GMT -5
If he can stay healthy, and as long as he doesn’t go to Washington, he’s going to be fun to watch. He has franchise altering talent. I’m legit worried about him holding up though. Definition of boom or bust. . The Pats roster is dreadful. I think they would trade down to get more picks.
Agreed. Daniels is going to give DCs fits. I remember how big of an impact RG3 had his rookie season, and I think Daniels can be as good or better. Unfortunately, I also think the risk of injury is as good or better for Daniels.
If he were to somehow fall to #6, I'd be ecstatic on draft night if the Giants took him. I really would. That said, my gut tells me I'd be regretting the pick halfway through the season when Daniels has to miss games for the second time, or is already out for the season. It's a cheesy saying, but the best ability for a player is availability. That's my biggest concern for Daniels by far.
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Post by robl on Apr 18, 2024 18:06:39 GMT -5
It's seems highly likely that he WILL go to Washington. What happens at #3 is the big question I think. The Pats roster is dreadful. I think they would trade down to get more picks.
Agreed. Daniels is going to give DCs fits. I remember how big of an impact RG3 had his rookie season, and I think Daniels can be as good or better. Unfortunately, I also think the risk of injury is as good or better for Daniels.
If he were to somehow fall to #6, I'd be ecstatic on draft night if the Giants took him. I really would. That said, my gut tells me I'd be regretting the pick halfway through the season when Daniels has to miss games for the second time, or is already out for the season. It's a cheesy saying, but the best ability for a player is availability. That's my biggest concern for Daniels by far.
I'm sorry. Your worried that halfway through the season Daniel has an injury or Daniels has an injury or both? |
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Post by piddy283 on Apr 18, 2024 19:49:26 GMT -5
Agreed. Daniels is going to give DCs fits. I remember how big of an impact RG3 had his rookie season, and I think Daniels can be as good or better. Unfortunately, I also think the risk of injury is as good or better for Daniels.
If he were to somehow fall to #6, I'd be ecstatic on draft night if the Giants took him. I really would. That said, my gut tells me I'd be regretting the pick halfway through the season when Daniels has to miss games for the second time, or is already out for the season. It's a cheesy saying, but the best ability for a player is availability. That's my biggest concern for Daniels by far.
I'm sorry. Your worried that halfway through the season Daniel has an injury or Daniels has an injury or both? Lol….too many Daniels. I was referring to Jayden Daniels. |
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Post by bavarobeast on Apr 21, 2024 16:08:44 GMT -5
Since this crew is into fun facts about QB’s
JJ McCarthy completed 6 of 10 passes under pressure for 103 yards vs Alabama.
He also had a higher passer rating than both Quinn Ewers and Jayden Daniels against Alabama.
JJ haters - who have exposed themselves - will dis this stat as irrelevant. Regardless facts are facts regardless if you can process them or not.
JJ also completed 68% of his passes under pressure in 2023.
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 22, 2024 11:58:28 GMT -5
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Post by piddy283 on Apr 23, 2024 18:35:02 GMT -5
Well, we've made it. Draft week is finally here. This has been a unique off-season for me as it's the first time I've ever focused on QBs. My knowledge on other positions and prospects isn't what it normally is because of it, but it's been interesting nonetheless. I kept most of my focus on the projected top-6 QBs. Based on everything I saw, I believe five of the six have what it takes to be long term franchise QBs. If we could somehow remove the risk of injury, I believe three of those five have the potential to become All-Pros. This really does appear to be a deep class with solid top-end talent. If we were simply going off of college films, here's how I'd rank them: - Caleb Williams
- Jayden Daniels
- Bo Nix
- Drake Maye
- JJ McCarthy
- Michael Penix
Unfortunately, the college game doesn't necessarily translate to the pros and there are multiple variables to consider when trying to predict success at the next level. Trying to take everything into consideration, including things like upside and injury concerns, my rankings ultimately look like this: - Caleb Williams
- Drake Maye
- Bo Nix
- Jayden Daniels
- JJ McCarthy
- Michael Penix
My notes are tiered out below. In short, I believe the top-5 QBs on both lists can step in day-1 and give us better production than DJ. While I prefer trading back for players like Nix and McCarthy, I'll ultimately be fine if we decide to draft either at #6. Williams, Maye, and Daniels all have All-Pro potential if they hit their ceilings. Daniels' reckless style combined with his slight frame give me pause which is why I have him ranked so low. Summary: Tier 1: HOF Potential - Caleb Williams: Nothing has changed for me. Williams has been my QB1 since day-1 and it's still not close. He has the best traits in the class and he does nearly everything at an elite level. My only real concern is his mental makeup. When things get tough, how will he respond to the negative press? Beyond that, Williams is an elite prospect with rare talent. In my opinion, he'll give Chicago their first 4,000 yard QB and lead them to the playoffs in his rookie season, and he'll have them in the SB conversation sooner rather than later. If he keeps his head on straight, he's a true franchise altering player. Style Comp: Patrick Mahomes
Tier 2: All-Pro Potential - Drake Maye: I was initially surprised to hear Maye was considered a generational talent and potential #1 overall pick. The generational take still seems like a bit of a stretch, but I've come around on him as a prospect. He has all the physical tools to be a top-tier franchise QB and he doesn't come with any potential baggage like Williams. He also wasn't surrounded by NFL talent like some of the other QBs lower on this list, which I like. I've always preferred QBs who don't play in ideal situations every week in college. Considering his age, his tool set, his pedigree, and the fact Dabs has gotten the most out of every QB he's coached, I think Maye is a near perfect fit for what we need. Style Comp: Justin Herbert
Tier 3: Pro Bowl Potential | Franchise QB - Bo Nix: I don't know what I'm seeing that others aren't, but I continue to be baffled by the lack of love for Nix. I get that he doesn't have the arm talent like Williams, the frame like Maye, or the speed like Daniels, but he's got a really nice blend of all three. He's a legit dual-threat QB who plays the position like a point guard, and he has a ton of starting experience. Unless he falls into a truly terrible situation, I see no reason why his game won't translate nicely to the pros. Style Comp: Drew Brees
- Jayden Daniels: In terms of talent and physical skill, Daniels may very well end up being QB1 in this class. He legitimately has the potential to take the league by storm. His speed combined with his quick release and accuracy are going to keep DCs up at night. However, the more I watched him the more concerned I became with his inability to avoid big hits. It's almost like he seeks out the contact. With his frame, and his reckless style of play, I have a hard time believing he'll last at the next level. His talent is undeniable but unless he learns how to slide and get out of bounds I honestly don't see him making it through a full season. Epitome of boom or bust. Style Comp: Lamar Jackson
- JJ McCarthy: The polarizing views on McCarthy don't make much sense to me. Watching him on film, it seems pretty evident that he has the tools to be successful in the pros. Strong arm, poised in the pocket, athletic, etc. I actually think he has some of the best pocket presence in the class and he has the ability to make off-script plays look easy. That said, he does need to work on his touch, and his frame is still a bit thin for my liking, but at 21 he has plenty of upside and should add weight naturally over the next couple of years. There's also the "it factor" that everyone likes to bring up. He's been a winner at every level. Maybe it means something, maybe it's not, but it's something to consider. Style Comp: Matt Ryan
Tier 4: Rookie Contract QB | Journeyman - Michael Penix Jr.: I am prepared to eat crow when it comes to Penix. I keep wanting to like him but I just don't see it. There's no doubting his arm strength, and some of his deep balls are absolute dimes, but beyond that I'm not a fan of his game. He's a statue in the pocket, he misses too many easy throws, he has a long/slow release, he has a terrible injury history, etc. He's also surrounded by NFL talent and had WRs who consistently bailed him out with difficult catches. In my opinion, if he doesn't land in a perfect situation, I see him fizzling out after his rookie contract and becoming a journeyman type QB. Style Comp: Byron Leftwich
Random Notes/Thoughts: - This class is either deep or I'm a pushover when it comes to evaluating QBs.
- There are at least 7 QBs who can come in and, at a minimum, be a game managing type QB under Dabs.
- DJ would fall outside of the top-6 QBs and would be considered a late day-2/day-3 pick in this class.
- Injury concern is the only reason why I don't have Daniels higher on my final rankings.
- Based on their track record, I'll be confident in any QB Schoen & Dabs end up drafting......so long as they draft one.
- Preventing DJ's injury clause in 2025 should be a top priority.
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Post by piddy283 on Aug 11, 2024 18:32:27 GMT -5
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Post by piddy283 on Aug 19, 2024 7:29:48 GMT -5
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Post by Speedman on Aug 19, 2024 14:11:29 GMT -5
Did you read the blurbs or just the headlines? |
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Post by piddy283 on Aug 19, 2024 14:54:30 GMT -5
Did you read the blurbs or just the headlines? "Everyone else" meaning the projected top-6. I didn't pay attention to anyone else on the list. |
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Post by piddy283 on Sept 4, 2024 13:54:49 GMT -5
Three of the six QBs drafted in the first round have outright won the starting job going into week-1, including Nix who was named a team captain. Williams and Daniels were also named starters. McCarthy would've likely been the 4th starter if it weren't for his injury. New England is going with Brissett, which seems like a good decision despite Maye reportedly having the better off-season. That roster is horrible. As expected, Atlanta is going with Cousins. Still don't get the Penix hype. DJ and Nabers better have success early and often. Watching Nix, and eventually McCarthy, have success is going to be frustrating. kslsports.com/524583/rookie-qbs-caleb-williams-jayden-daniels-and-bo-nix-set-to-start-week-1/ |
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Post by Fletch842 on Sept 4, 2024 15:15:58 GMT -5
Three of the six QBs drafted in the first round have outright won the starting job going into week-1, including Nix who was named a team captain. Williams and Daniels were also named starters. McCarthy would've likely been the 4th starter if it weren't for his injury. New England is going with Brissett, which seems like a good decision despite Maye reportedly having the better off-season. That roster is horrible. As expected, Atlanta is going with Cousins. Still don't get the Penix hype. DJ and Nabers better have success early and often. Watching Nix, and eventually McCarthy, have success is going to be frustrating. kslsports.com/524583/rookie-qbs-caleb-williams-jayden-daniels-and-bo-nix-set-to-start-week-1/It would have been very surprising is Williams and Danield did not win the starter nod, and not like Nix was going against all-pro's...I really don't read much into that. |
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Post by piddy283 on Sept 10, 2024 7:28:46 GMT -5
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Post by piddy283 on Oct 28, 2024 10:34:35 GMT -5
We're at the halfway point of the season so I figure it makes sense to check-in with the rookies to see how they're holding up. To date, four of the six QBs drafted in the 1st round have started games and have shown some level of success. Three of those four won the job in the off-season and were named starters for week-1. Those three all have winning records. Of the four, Nix was the only QB we realistically could've drafted. We had no shot at Williams, Daniels, or Maye without a some sort of monumental trade. So far, I think it's fair to say Nabers is a better talent than Nix, but I also think it's fair to question whether or not passing on QB was the best decision. I still claim Nix, and the rest of the Rd1 QBs, would've been better options for us than DJ. It's early, but this class looks as good as advertised. Here's how I see it so far..... Jayden Daniels: The new media darling. As advertised, he's an incredible player with a strong arm, good touch, composure, athleticism, leadership qualities.....and a slight frame. Of the four, he may have fallen into the best situation in terms of coaching and personnel. He'll be a headache for the next 10+ years if he can stay healthy, but he's already taken some gnarly hits and his health has already come into question. All-in-all, he's been awesome.
Class Rank: QB1
Grade: A-
Floor/Ceiling: Franchise QB/All-Pro
Stats: www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DaniJa02.htm
Caleb Williams: Slow start, but until last night he seems to be getting better each week. He's shown real flashes and may have had the best overall game of the four. Behind the 8 ball a bit in terms of coaching, and the concerns with his attitude seem to have already surfaced a bit, but should only get better as he gains experience and builds chemistry with his teammates. All-in-all, very promising. Class Rank: QB2
Grade: B-
Floor/Ceiling: Franchise QB/All-Pro
Stats: www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WillCa03.htm
Bo Nix: Looks like a rookie, but keeps winning. Hasn't had the jaw dropping plays like the other two week-1 starters, but similar to them he looks like he belongs in the NFL. His mobility and arm talent continue to be overlooked, and he's winning despite a seemingly mediocre roster. Having Sean Payton helps, but he hasn't looked overwhelmed. There's something to be said for QBs with 3+ years of college experience. All-in-all, Denver fans should be excited. Class Rank: QB3
Grade: C+
Floor/Ceiling: Career Journeyman*/Pro Bowl
Stats: www.pro-football-reference.com/players/N/NixxBo00.htmDrake Maye: Late to the party. He's only started three games and he had to leave Sunday's game early, but he looked the part in the little time played. Of the four, he may have have fallen into the worst situation in terms of coaching and personnel. Showed some flashes as to why he was highly touted coming out of college, but too early to tell. All-in-all, wait and see. Class Rank: QB4
Grade: TBD
Floor/Ceiling: TBD
Stats: www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MayeDr00.htm
Daniel Jones: Continues to underwhelm. Somehow took another step backwards this year. Maybe he's not fully recovered from an injury, or maybe one of those injuries had long term effects, but even his biggest supporters have to admit something is off. He looks worse than ever. All-in-all, enough is enough. Bench him.
Class Rank: QB7+
Grade: F+
Floor/Ceiling: Broadcaster/Journeyman*
Stats: www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JoneDa05.htm
*Journeyman = low-level starter/bridge QB, can win games if properly paid and surrounded by proper talent/coaching |
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