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Post by nyg2 on Feb 13, 2024 17:36:05 GMT -5
According to Daniel Jeremiah teams aren't excited at next years QB class and he expects 4-5 teams to try to trade up and take a QB this year, so what does this mean for the Giants?
Does Schoen look to trade back and accumulate picks from another QB needy team, or maybe this raises the asking price for potentially trying to get the #1 overall pick from the Bears?
For those wondering the top two draft prospects in the 2025 NFL draft are Shedeur Sanders and Quinn Ewers, who are considered to have lower ceilings than Maye and Williams, but it's way too early to be making that assessment and you usually have one dark horse QB prospect who has a career year as he's set to declare for the draft, which ends up putting him in the conversation as the top prospect.
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Post by ratbastich on Feb 13, 2024 17:45:10 GMT -5
Of course, like any year there will be risers and some that come out of the woodwork...but I do agree, if you want a QB or think you are going to need one soon, this may be the year to try to get one and Jordan Love him for a year or two.
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Post by McCherry on Feb 13, 2024 17:47:19 GMT -5
That's kind of a contradiction if 4-5 teams are planning to move up for a QB.
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Post by nobelichickin2025 on Feb 13, 2024 17:52:28 GMT -5
Take JJ McCarthy at 6. Kid is a perfect fit here. Undervalued because he did not play in a video game offense. If he returned to Michigan he goes top 5 next year. Take him now, get him in the building and learning. Jones can play in 2024 until he gets hurt or fizzles. We can not hide from QB. Jones can not be trusted and a journeyman competing with him is pointless, the goal is to be contenders not pretenders. We need to find the Schoen/Daboll QB or their regime is doomed.
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Post by Modog on Feb 13, 2024 17:59:31 GMT -5
Take JJ McCarthy at 6. Kid is a perfect fit here. Undervalued because he did not play in a video game offense. If he returned to Michigan he goes top 5 next year. Take him now, get him in the building and learning. Jones can play in 2024 until he gets hurt or fizzles. We can not hide from QB. Jones can not be trusted and a journeyman competing with him is pointless, the goal is to be contenders not pretenders. We need to find the Schoen/Daboll QB or their regime is doomed. Him being a 6 4 brunette makes him a perfect fit for the Giants, and reason enough to draft him at 6. Bum dum ts In all seriousness, I think hes a much better prospect coming out then DJ. |
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Post by nobelichickin2025 on Feb 13, 2024 18:03:37 GMT -5
Take JJ McCarthy at 6. Kid is a perfect fit here. Undervalued because he did not play in a video game offense. If he returned to Michigan he goes top 5 next year. Take him now, get him in the building and learning. Jones can play in 2024 until he gets hurt or fizzles. We can not hide from QB. Jones can not be trusted and a journeyman competing with him is pointless, the goal is to be contenders not pretenders. We need to find the Schoen/Daboll QB or their regime is doomed. Him being a 6 4 brunette makes him a perfect fit for the Giants. Bum dum ts In all seriousness, I think hes a much better prospect coming out then DJ He can play. Harbaugh raves about him. Big arm. Reads the field. Can run, does not look to run. And he has an extroverted personality, which is what I want in the next QB. We need a leader of men. Not a guy that acts like he is in a coma. |
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Post by Nite on Feb 13, 2024 18:07:01 GMT -5
Wasn't he a bulldog?
If not he wasn't a good friend of mine...
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Post by mendy on Feb 13, 2024 18:51:30 GMT -5
According to Daniel Jeremiah teams aren't excited at next years QB class and he expects 4-5 teams to try to trade up and take a QB this year, so what does this mean for the Giants? Does Schoen look to trade back and accumulate picks from another QB needy team, or maybe this raises the asking price for potentially trying to get the #1 overall pick from the Bears? For those wondering the top two draft prospects in the 2025 NFL draft are Shedeur Sanders and Quinn Ewers, who are considered to have lower ceilings than Maye and Williams, but it's way too early to be making that assessment and you usually have one dark horse QB prospect who has a career year as he's set to declare for the draft, which ends up putting him in the conversation as the top prospect. Not directed at you but HS, Jeremiah is just trying to create more interest in his postings , by October next year there will be 4-5 QB's that will be can't miss. |
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Post by robl on Feb 13, 2024 18:53:17 GMT -5
Wasn't he a bulldog? If not he wasn't a good friend of mine... Makes sense. Never understood a single word you said. |
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Post by Danke Schoen on Feb 13, 2024 18:54:50 GMT -5
That's kind of a contradiction if 4-5 teams are planning to move up for a QB. 4-5 teams wanting to move up in this year's draft because there isn't excited about next year's draft class.* *rumor or speculation by Daniel Jeremiah |
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Post by Analyst on Feb 13, 2024 18:59:46 GMT -5
By this time next year, you will be hearing about Drew Allar, Carson Beck, Jalen Milroe and Riley Leonard. KJ Jefferson, Dillon Gabriel too. And when he lights it up and wins the Heisman and a Natty, Kyle McCord.
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Post by TEM on Feb 13, 2024 19:15:59 GMT -5
2023 Draft had a record 6 trades in the first round. Also 41 total trades in the draft total. Also a record.
Those 6 trades produced:
Trade 1
Texans receive
3rd overall pick: Drafted EDGE Will Anderson Jr.
105th overall pick (acquired by PHI)
Cardinals receive
12th overall pick (traded to Detroit)
33rd overall pick (traded to Las Vegas)
2024 first-round pick
2024 third-round pick
Trade 2
Cardinals receive
6th overall pick: Drafted OT Paris Johnson Jr.
Lions receive
No. 12 overall pick: Drafted RB Jahmyr Gibbs
No. 34 overall pick: Drafted TE Sam LaPorta
Trade 3
Eagles receive
No. 9 overall pick: Drafted DT Jalen Carter
Bears receive
10th overall pick: Drafted OT Darnell Wright
2024 fourth-round pick
Trade 4
Steelers receive
14th overall pick: Drafted OT Broderick Jones
Patriots receive
17th overall pick: Drafted CB Christian Gonzalez
120th overall pick (acquired by NYJ)
Trade 5
Giants receive
24th overall pick: CB Deonte Banks
Jaguars receive
25th overall pick (traded to Bills)
160th overall pick: Drafted S Antonio Johnson
240th overall pick: Drafted FB Derek Parish
Trade 6
Bills receive
25th overall pick: TE Drafted Dalton Kincaid
Jaguars receive
27th overall pick: Drafted OT Anton Harrison
130th overall pick: Drafted DE Tyler Lacy
Not 1 QB moved up for
Last year's QB class was way better than this one.
1. Bryce Young, Alabama ·
2. C.J. Stroud, Ohio State ·
3. Will Levis, Kentucky ·
4. Anthony Richardson, Florida
‎5. Hendon Hooker, Tennessee
I do not buy this take by Daniel Jeremiah. There is no Mahomes, Eli, or Lamar Jackson on this draft.
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Post by Analyst on Feb 13, 2024 19:21:43 GMT -5
2023 Draft had a record 6 trades in the first round. Also 41 total trades in the draft total. Also a record. Those 6 trades produced: Trade 1Texans receive 3rd overall pick: Drafted EDGE Will Anderson Jr. 105th overall pick (acquired by PHI) Cardinals receive 12th overall pick (traded to Detroit) 33rd overall pick (traded to Las Vegas) 2024 first-round pick 2024 third-round pick  Trade 2Cardinals receive 6th overall pick: Drafted OT Paris Johnson Jr. Lions receive No. 12 overall pick: Drafted RB Jahmyr Gibbs No. 34 overall pick: Drafted TE Sam LaPorta Trade 3 Eagles receive No. 9 overall pick: Drafted DT Jalen Carter Bears receive 10th overall pick: Drafted OT Darnell Wright 2024 fourth-round pick Trade 4Steelers receive 14th overall pick: Drafted OT Broderick Jones Patriots receive 17th overall pick: Drafted CB Christian Gonzalez 120th overall pick (acquired by NYJ) Trade 5Giants receive 24th overall pick: CB Deonte Banks Jaguars receive 25th overall pick (traded to Bills) 160th overall pick: Drafted S Antonio Johnson 240th overall pick: Drafted FB Derek Parish Trade 6Bills receive 25th overall pick: TE Drafted Dalton Kincaid Jaguars receive 27th overall pick: Drafted OT Anton Harrison 130th overall pick: Drafted DE Tyler Lacy Not 1 QB moved up forLast year's QB class was way better than this one. Bryce Young, Alabama · 2. C.J. Stroud, Ohio State · 3. Will Levis, Kentucky · 4. Anthony Richardson, Florida ‎5. Hendon Hooker, Tennessee I do not buy this take by Daniel Jeremiah. You think the 2023 QB class was good? I see Stroud and that's it so far. I thought it was way overhyped. The 2024 class could be just as overhyped though. Not a big fan of the "top 2". |
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Post by TEM on Feb 13, 2024 19:26:39 GMT -5
2023 Draft had a record 6 trades in the first round. Also 41 total trades in the draft total. Also a record. Those 6 trades produced: Trade 1Texans receive 3rd overall pick: Drafted EDGE Will Anderson Jr. 105th overall pick (acquired by PHI) Cardinals receive 12th overall pick (traded to Detroit) 33rd overall pick (traded to Las Vegas) 2024 first-round pick 2024 third-round pick Trade 2Cardinals receive 6th overall pick: Drafted OT Paris Johnson Jr. Lions receive No. 12 overall pick: Drafted RB Jahmyr Gibbs No. 34 overall pick: Drafted TE Sam LaPorta Trade 3 Eagles receive No. 9 overall pick: Drafted DT Jalen Carter Bears receive 10th overall pick: Drafted OT Darnell Wright 2024 fourth-round pick Trade 4Steelers receive 14th overall pick: Drafted OT Broderick Jones Patriots receive 17th overall pick: Drafted CB Christian Gonzalez 120th overall pick (acquired by NYJ) Trade 5Giants receive 24th overall pick: CB Deonte Banks Jaguars receive 25th overall pick (traded to Bills) 160th overall pick: Drafted S Antonio Johnson 240th overall pick: Drafted FB Derek Parish Trade 6Bills receive 25th overall pick: TE Drafted Dalton Kincaid Jaguars receive 27th overall pick: Drafted OT Anton Harrison 130th overall pick: Drafted DE Tyler Lacy Not 1 QB moved up forLast year's QB class was way better than this one. Bryce Young, Alabama · 2. C.J. Stroud, Ohio State · 3. Will Levis, Kentucky · 4. Anthony Richardson, Florida ‎5. Hendon Hooker, Tennessee I do not buy this take by Daniel Jeremiah. You think the 2023 QB class was good? I see Stroud and that's it so far. I thought it was way overhyped. The 2024 class could be just as overhyped though. Not a big fan of the "top 2". What you see now and the way they were touted??? Did you not mock 3 QBs in top 10 in last year's draft contest? I did too, I agree with your second line. This is a mediocre class not worth the draft capital to move up for any of them. |
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Post by Analyst on Feb 13, 2024 19:31:41 GMT -5
You think the 2023 QB class was good? I see Stroud and that's it so far. I thought it was way overhyped. The 2024 class could be just as overhyped though. Not a big fan of the "top 2". What you see now and the way they were touted??? Did you not mock 3 QB in top 10 in last year's draft contest? What does that matter? Team overreach for QBs. I have 4 as of now in 2024. Williams, Maye, Daniels and McCarthy. Nix and Penix could also be 1st rounders. |
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Post by McCherry on Feb 13, 2024 20:16:12 GMT -5
That's kind of a contradiction if 4-5 teams are planning to move up for a QB. 4-5 teams wanting to move up in this year's draft because there isn't excited about next year's draft class.* *rumor or speculation by Daniel Jeremiah Thanks. Still haven't gotten used to the fact that that next year is this year... But not next year. |
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Post by nobelichickin2025 on Feb 13, 2024 20:19:09 GMT -5
You take JJ McCarthy at 6.
Logic:
He is 21, true Junior. If he returned he likely goes 1-5 in 2025, but we get the benefit of having him in our fold now. Learning from our coach, learning our scheme, in an NFL lifting program
If Jones stays healthy and plays well he can redshirt. If anything else occurs he takes over from that point on.
QB development and scheme are why Brian Daboll is here. Give him the guy to develop. It’s that simple. If one of the other 3 falls and we have choices even better.
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Post by McCherry on Feb 13, 2024 20:25:15 GMT -5
You take JJ McCarthy at 6. Logic: He is 21, true Junior. If he returned he likely goes 1-5 in 2025, but we get the benefit of having him in our fold now. Learning from our coach, learning our scheme, in an NFL lifting program If Jones stays healthy and plays well he can redshirt. If anything else occurs he takes over from that point on. QB development and scheme are why Brian Daboll is here. Give him the guy to develop. It’s that simple. If one of the other 3 falls and we have choices even better. I would be fine with this. |
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 13, 2024 20:31:29 GMT -5
I don't care if it's considered a reach, we need to draft a QB this year.
If he busts, draft another QB next year or in 2026. If he ends up being a game manager, don't offer him big bucks when his rookie contract expires. Draft a better prospect if one comes along, draft another game manager as his replacement, or offer him an extension more in line with his actual value.
Game managing QBs are not hard to find in today's NFL. Multiple are available nearly every off-season. There's no reason why teams should find themselves in QB hell for years on end anymore.
In today's NFL, teams shouldn't have an issue finding competent QB play. There are multiple game managers nearly every year in FA or the draft. The problem is teams overpay those game managers rather than drafting another.
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Post by Modog on Feb 13, 2024 20:35:15 GMT -5
That's kind of a contradiction if 4-5 teams are planning to move up for a QB. Next year as in 2025. It might be the worst Qb draft since 2019. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Feb 13, 2024 20:36:57 GMT -5
I don't care if it's considered a reach, we need to draft a QB this year. If he busts, draft another QB next year or in 2026. or blame the OL and hold out hope for McCarthy another five years 😂 |
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Post by nobelichickin2025 on Feb 13, 2024 20:37:10 GMT -5
I don't care if it's considered a reach, we need to draft a QB this year. If he busts, draft another QB next year or in 2026. If he ends up being a game manager, don't offer him big bucks when his rookie contract expires. Draft a better prospect if one comes along, draft another game manager as his replacement, or offer him an extension more in line with his actual value. Game managing QBs are not hard to find in today's NFL. Multiple are available nearly every off-season. There's no reason why teams should find themselves in QB hell for years on end anymore. In today's NFL, teams shouldn't have an issue finding competent QB play. There are multiple game managers nearly every year in FA or the draft. The problem is teams overpay those game managers rather than drafting another. I agree. QBs are unfinshed products. The success or failure of many is not predetermined. QBs need to be coached up and supported. They cant be taught to fear mistakes like the Judge Giants did to ruin Jones. They cant be left on the field outmanned for years. Get a kid in here and develop him. Get him weapons. Finish the OL. Have a sense of urgency within the plan. Tomorrow never comes without today. |
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Post by DJones19 on Feb 13, 2024 20:48:23 GMT -5
Penix and Jayden Daniels were mid round guys coming into this year, a lot can change in a year. Now I see some mocks having Daniels #2 overall.
I like Jeremiah and I'm sure there is truth to what he is saying but he works for the NFL and has a job to do...sell this draft.
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Post by ocgiant on Feb 13, 2024 20:54:58 GMT -5
Is McCarthy elite on another good QB? While we need a QB for the future we do have one at least for next year.
I believe the Giants take a top WR and if one of the QBs fall into Rd2 then possibly take a shot there.
Need to see how FA goes for the Giants to fill in the OL which is key, plus Edge, CB & LB
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Post by nobelichickin2025 on Feb 13, 2024 21:00:46 GMT -5
Is McCarthy elite on another good QB? While we need a QB for the future we do have one at least for next year. I believe the Giants take a top WR and if one of the QBs fall into Rd2 then possibly take a shot there. Need to see how FA goes for the Giants to fill in the OL which is key, plus Edge, CB & LB He’s 21. He has the tools to become great. Gotta trust this staff to develop. This WR class is so deep. A guy like Legette could still be there in Round 2 and he has WR1 traits. I go QB, then attack from there. Hopefully the OL and a need a spot on D are solved in FA. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 13, 2024 21:07:43 GMT -5
2023 Draft had a record 6 trades in the first round. Also 41 total trades in the draft total. Also a record. Those 6 trades produced: Trade 1Texans receive 3rd overall pick: Drafted EDGE Will Anderson Jr. 105th overall pick (acquired by PHI) Cardinals receive 12th overall pick (traded to Detroit) 33rd overall pick (traded to Las Vegas) 2024 first-round pick 2024 third-round pick Trade 2Cardinals receive 6th overall pick: Drafted OT Paris Johnson Jr. Lions receive No. 12 overall pick: Drafted RB Jahmyr Gibbs No. 34 overall pick: Drafted TE Sam LaPorta Trade 3 Eagles receive No. 9 overall pick: Drafted DT Jalen Carter Bears receive 10th overall pick: Drafted OT Darnell Wright 2024 fourth-round pick Trade 4Steelers receive 14th overall pick: Drafted OT Broderick Jones Patriots receive 17th overall pick: Drafted CB Christian Gonzalez 120th overall pick (acquired by NYJ) Trade 5Giants receive 24th overall pick: CB Deonte Banks Jaguars receive 25th overall pick (traded to Bills) 160th overall pick: Drafted S Antonio Johnson 240th overall pick: Drafted FB Derek Parish Trade 6Bills receive 25th overall pick: TE Drafted Dalton Kincaid Jaguars receive 27th overall pick: Drafted OT Anton Harrison 130th overall pick: Drafted DE Tyler Lacy Not 1 QB moved up forLast year's QB class was way better than this one. Bryce Young, Alabama · 2. C.J. Stroud, Ohio State · 3. Will Levis, Kentucky · 4. Anthony Richardson, Florida ‎5. Hendon Hooker, Tennessee I do not buy this take by Daniel Jeremiah. You think the 2023 QB class was good? I see Stroud and that's it so far. I thought it was way overhyped. The 2024 class could be just as overhyped though. Not a big fan of the "top 2". You now how it goes most of the time 1 or 2 out of the top 5 actually become true franchise passers and some times it's the one or two no one expected. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 13, 2024 21:11:06 GMT -5
Is McCarthy elite on another good QB? While we need a QB for the future we do have one at least for next year. I believe the Giants take a top WR and if one of the QBs fall into Rd2 then possibly take a shot there. Need to see how FA goes for the Giants to fill in the OL which is key, plus Edge, CB & LB He’s 21. He has the tools to become great. Gotta trust this staff to develop. This WR class is so deep. A guy like Legette could still be there in Round 2 and he has WR1 traits. I go QB, then attack from there. Hopefully the OL and a need a spot on D are solved in FA. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 13, 2024 21:14:45 GMT -5
Is McCarthy elite on another good QB? While we need a QB for the future we do have one at least for next year. I believe the Giants take a top WR and if one of the QBs fall into Rd2 then possibly take a shot there. Need to see how FA goes for the Giants to fill in the OL which is key, plus Edge, CB & LB I have been warming up to drafting JJ he has some mr developing to do surprised he wasn't further along with Harbaugh as his coach he has some pretty solid traits. |
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Post by Danke Schoen on Feb 13, 2024 21:32:59 GMT -5
4-5 teams wanting to move up in this year's draft because there isn't excited about next year's draft class.* *rumor or speculation by Daniel Jeremiah Thanks. Still haven't gotten used to the fact that that next year is this year... But not next year.  |
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Post by giantsalmon on Feb 13, 2024 21:40:28 GMT -5
Is McCarthy elite on another good QB? While we need a QB for the future we do have one at least for next year. I believe the Giants take a top WR and if one of the QBs fall into Rd2 then possibly take a shot there. Need to see how FA goes for the Giants to fill in the OL which is key, plus Edge, CB & LB I have been warming up to drafting JJ he has some mr developing to do surprised he wasn't further along with Harbaugh as his coach he has some pretty solid traits. Hes got the stuff you cant coach. Hes raw compared to the others but I think he has the highest ceiling. Hockey was his sport growing up. I love his energy and positivity. Seems like a true motivator of teammates as well as a leader. |
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