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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 2, 2024 7:58:10 GMT -5
Tell you what, he is already thinking about retiring it's in his head whats his effort gonna be like. Not sure that's fair. Jason Kelce has considered retirement each year for years...not an effort issue with him. Don't think that's a guarantee. Fair?? Thankful you didn’t put them in the same sentence b/c they don’t belong together. One is a 6 time all-pro center who has played position of significant violence for the same team his entire career. The other has been an all-pro once, on his 4th team and hasn’t been productive for years. What a cr@p message to a team which signed him an offseason ago after a season he was practically non-productive. |
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Post by shocknaweny on Mar 2, 2024 9:48:42 GMT -5
oh that would be fantastic please retire ya bum
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Post by inthezone on Mar 2, 2024 10:00:36 GMT -5
This was a dumb thing for Waller to say and I hope the team moves on from him knowing he's not all in.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 2, 2024 10:52:12 GMT -5
Tell you what, he is already thinking about retiring it's in his head whats his effort gonna be like. Not sure that's fair. Jason Kelce has considered retirement each year for years...not an effort issue with him. Don't think that's a guarantee. Kelce is in a situation where he would be a big part of a possible superbowl team and hasn't been struggling year in and year out to get healthy I understand what your saying. It has to be difficult getting trade from one bad team to another and having 3 straight years where he will be rehabbing his hamstring and trying to find away to stabilize that situation, also his wife is out west in Vegas or Cally. Kelce is remarkably healthy has his family with him and if he returns he is coming back trying to win a ring with a team he believes has a chance to get that done our Giants are far from that right now. |
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Post by bluebuddha on Mar 2, 2024 11:00:11 GMT -5
Not sure that's fair. Jason Kelce has considered retirement each year for years...not an effort issue with him. Don't think that's a guarantee. Kelce is in a situation where he would be a big part of a possible superbowl team and hasn't been struggling year in and year out to get healthy I understand what your saying. It has to be difficult getting trade from one bad team to another and having 3 straight years where he will be rehabbing his hamstring and trying to find away to stabilize that situation, also his wife is out west in Vegas or Cally. Kelce is remarkably healthy has his family with him and if he returns he is coming back trying to win a ring with a team he believes has a chance to get that done our Giants are far from that right now. That's the thing with the Giants situation. They don't offer much hope for veterans to win a championship. The motivation will wane each year until this dysfunction is fixed. The way the season ended with the coaching issues was a harbinger to players of what's to come. JS and Daboll need to get things in order. They got thier guys on the roster now but the culture is tainted by coaches acting like babies. Productivity will suffer when leadership does not have a focused vision. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 2, 2024 11:09:31 GMT -5
Kelce is in a situation where he would be a big part of a possible superbowl team and hasn't been struggling year in and year out to get healthy I understand what your saying. It has to be difficult getting trade from one bad team to another and having 3 straight years where he will be rehabbing his hamstring and trying to find away to stabilize that situation, also his wife is out west in Vegas or Cally. Kelce is remarkably healthy has his family with him and if he returns he is coming back trying to win a ring with a team he believes has a chance to get that done our Giants are far from that right now. That's the thing with the Giants situation. They don't offer much hope for veterans to win a championship. The motivation will wane each year until this dysfunction is fixed. The way the season ended with the coaching issues was a harbinger to players of what's to come. JS and Daboll need to get things in order. They got thier guys on the roster now but the culture is tainted by coaches acting like babies. Productivity will suffer when leadership does not have a focused vision. They have made the hires they feel comfortable with the team played their hearts out for the Head Coach and when they were asked about their Coaching situation they Gave Daboll an A-. This is a building team it is a place for young players that hopefully will becomes good to great players. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Mar 2, 2024 11:12:09 GMT -5
I think its much ado about nothing. Older players say things like this in the off season frequently, I don't think it will effect his desire at all.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Mar 2, 2024 11:16:44 GMT -5
Waller is typical of today’s NFL athlete IMO. What I mean by that is he’s one of these immaculate physique guys. For whatever reason they seem so prone to soft tissue injuries I think there has to be a link. I think the Giants should have cut him personally. Save that cap money because you’re spending on a guy who is fairly productive, but guaranteed to be injured again at some point. As a fan the players who pop up every week nursing this and that strain at practice every week are some of the most frustrating.
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Post by miggs on Mar 2, 2024 11:22:20 GMT -5
I hope Waller doesn't retire, but if he does, the Toney trade is relegated to the trash basket for both teams, unless Toney ever gets on track.
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Post by Kase1 on Mar 2, 2024 11:26:15 GMT -5
we should all encourage him to dedicate himself full-time to rapping and save us the salary cap space I love rap, Waller sucks, dude needs to retire from rap as well I think Young Joka is better, and its not a credit to Joka. Absolutely not. I am also a big hip hop fan, and there is no way in hell is Toney a better rapper than Waller. That being said, NEITHER is anything special on the mic |
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Post by jaymas on Mar 2, 2024 11:59:44 GMT -5
Not sure that's fair. Jason Kelce has considered retirement each year for years...not an effort issue with him. Don't think that's a guarantee. Fair?? Thankful you didn’t put them in the same sentence b/c they don’t belong together. One is a 6 time all-pro center who has played position of significant violence for the same team his entire career. The other has been an all-pro once, on his 4th team and hasn’t been productive for years. What a cr@p message to a team which signed him an offseason ago after a season he was practically non-productive. Legit has nothing to do with what I'm saying. My point is the absolute of "the moment you consider retirement, you're already out it" has no basis in reality. I'm not comparing them as players on the field, none of that has anything to do with whether or not a human being can consider retirement and then change his mind and still be committed. A person can absolutely do that. Plenty of older players or injury riddled players have these thoughts and considerations all the time. |
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Post by jaymas on Mar 2, 2024 12:01:29 GMT -5
Not sure that's fair. Jason Kelce has considered retirement each year for years...not an effort issue with him. Don't think that's a guarantee. Kelce is in a situation where he would be a big part of a possible superbowl team and hasn't been struggling year in and year out to get healthy I understand what your saying. It has to be difficult getting trade from one bad team to another and having 3 straight years where he will be rehabbing his hamstring and trying to find away to stabilize that situation, also his wife is out west in Vegas or Cally. Kelce is remarkably healthy has his family with him and if he returns he is coming back trying to win a ring with a team he believes has a chance to get that done our Giants are far from that right now. All Im daying is the idea that no player can consider retirement and possibly come back without them being "out the door" isn't true as a blanket statement. But yes, as players, Jason Kelce and Darren Waller have had very different careers. |
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Post by inconvenientruth on Mar 2, 2024 13:00:45 GMT -5
I love rap, Waller sucks, dude needs to retire from rap as well I think Young Joka is better, and its not a credit to Joka. Absolutely not. I am also a big hip hop fan, and there is no way in hell is Toney a better rapper than Waller. That being said, NEITHER is anything special on the mic Haha I was being cynical. Agreed |
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 7, 2024 8:46:51 GMT -5
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Post by piddy283 on Mar 7, 2024 9:01:27 GMT -5
I’m getting to that point myself. Would the financial impact be the same if we cut him vs if he retires? I heard that the team is still on the hook for the contract when a player retires, which I find to be odd if true. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 7, 2024 9:41:13 GMT -5
I’m getting to that point myself. Would the financial impact be the same if we cut him vs if he retires? I heard that the team is still on the hook for the contract when a player retires, which I find to be odd if true. Saving and dead money are close yet, the bottom line is it’s a loss b/c the guy isn’t playing. He’s just one of a growing number who made enough money and wants to enjoy. The Giants were just one last payday. He’s done. |
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Post by piddy283 on Mar 7, 2024 10:13:26 GMT -5
I’m getting to that point myself. Would the financial impact be the same if we cut him vs if he retires? I heard that the team is still on the hook for the contract when a player retires, which I find to be odd if true. Saving and dead money are close yet, the bottom line is it’s a loss b/c the guy isn’t playing. He’s just one of a growing number who made enough money and wants to enjoy. The Giants were just one last payday. He’s done.
This is lame. Even if he decides to play, how hard is he going to fight to get back from injury? How much pain will he be willing to play through? How quickly will he check out mentally if the season gets off to a slow start?
Seems ridiculous we'd be on the hook for any money if he voluntarily retires. If that's the case, we might as well go ahead and make that decision for him and move on.
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Post by Kruunch on Mar 7, 2024 12:06:20 GMT -5
Make the decision for him.. Cut him before he hits the ground. You have to be all in from jump to finish in this game.. He’s veering towards rap which has no linebackers or safeties looking to tear his head off. Now the only hits he wants are music. |
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Post by McCherry on Mar 7, 2024 15:09:32 GMT -5
Apparently Waller is going to hold up our offseason plans while he soul-searches for the balls to acknowledge the decision he's clearly already made.
Mike Garafolo
#Giants TE Darren Waller tells @dduggan21 he will make a decision on his future soon, though not ahead of free agency next week.
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Post by southerner on Mar 7, 2024 18:58:55 GMT -5
Giants need to release Waller……it is time to admit the mistake……at best he plays 8 games next season.
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Post by McCherry on Mar 7, 2024 19:22:23 GMT -5
I’m getting to that point myself. Would the financial impact be the same if we cut him vs if he retires? I heard that the team is still on the hook for the contract when a player retires, which I find to be odd if true. If he retires, you can recoup any bonus money paid, which then won't count against the salary cap anymore. The Barry Sanders rule. |
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Post by piddy283 on Mar 7, 2024 19:34:20 GMT -5
I’m getting to that point myself. Would the financial impact be the same if we cut him vs if he retires? I heard that the team is still on the hook for the contract when a player retires, which I find to be odd if true. If he retires, you can recoup any bonus money paid, which then won't count against the salary cap anymore. The Barry Sanders rule.
I assume that's the bonus money to be paid from that point on, or can the team recoup bonus money already paid out from previous years?
Either way, the fact someone can voluntarily retire and be owed money is bonkers. What if Paddy Mahomes retired as soon as he signed that $500B contract? Doesn't make sense.
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Post by McCherry on Mar 7, 2024 20:19:59 GMT -5
If he retires, you can recoup any bonus money paid, which then won't count against the salary cap anymore. The Barry Sanders rule.
I assume that's the bonus money to be paid from that point on, or can the team recoup bonus money already paid out from previous years?
Either way, the fact someone can voluntarily retire and be owed money is bonkers. What if Paddy Mahomes retired as soon as he signed that $500B contract? Doesn't make sense.
It's a complicated process, many teams don't even pursue it. I agree, the retirement cap rules don't make much sense. |
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Post by Aris on Mar 8, 2024 7:55:17 GMT -5
Addition by subtraction.
We really need to start the debate on Joe Schoen, and his massive misses and decisions
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Post by giantsmets on Mar 8, 2024 8:09:40 GMT -5
According to OTC, if they cut him post 6/1they save $11.6M on the cap - not sure of all the implications and how you can spend the money prior to cutting him and when they need to under the current cap # - but seems like a no brainer to cut this guy loose at the stroke of mid-night 6/1
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Post by piddy283 on Mar 12, 2024 4:38:02 GMT -5
I wonder if the presumed improvements to the OL will help convince Waller to come back for another year. I’m sure he wasn’t thrilled with having to stay in and block as often as he did last season.
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Post by cdngfan on Mar 12, 2024 14:26:27 GMT -5
I’m a “management/owmership 1st” kinda guy 95% of the time.
Except when it comes to pro sports. Players are the product and the usual risk/reward ratio owners have to endure in other industries is almost non-existent in the NFL in particular.
But jeez Waller. Think faster.
I alway root for this guy. If he could catch lightening in a bottle for a couple seasons we could really have something.
But waiting post-FA to decide if you wanna put in the effort this year seems intentional.
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Post by cdngfan on Mar 12, 2024 15:01:50 GMT -5
We have a big enough fanbase. What if we all started stacking downloads of his music?
Could he see that as some kinda sign? Getting creative here.
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Post by McCherry on Mar 12, 2024 15:14:38 GMT -5
Addition by subtraction. We really need to start the debate on Joe Schoen, and his massive misses and decisions I disagree that we're better by subtracting a player who averaged 4.3 catches per game in this offense. But I get why fans are mad at him now. I kind of am, but the guy can play. |
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Post by Aris on Mar 12, 2024 15:46:58 GMT -5
Addition by subtraction. We really need to start the debate on Joe Schoen, and his massive misses and decisions I disagree that we're better by subtracting a player who averaged 4.3 catches per game in this offense. But I get why fans are mad at him now. I kind of am, but the guy can play. Meh, can't argue his skills but I am certain we are better off letting him go...I'm the type of fully committed guy vs partial when it comes to football and guys over age 30. Giants should be looking at tight ends in this weak class...although, please not Bowers at 6. I'm very high on Theo Johnson from happy valley.  |
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