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Post by DonnieYen on Apr 27, 2024 16:47:42 GMT -5
B- I would have taken JJ McCarthy at 6 and at 47 I would have taken a WR
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Post by bavarobeast on Apr 27, 2024 17:33:25 GMT -5
B- I would have taken JJ McCarthy at 6 and at 47 I would have taken a WR Ditto I was gonna give a B- myself. Many very good WR’s in the draft - not so at the QB position. I think there’s a decent chance the Giants are gonna kick themselves in the ass for a long time in the not so distant future. Pretty large group with better than a B - grade including in the NFC East. I’m ready to sit back and see who’s wrong. The thing is if it’s the room that wanted JJ it will blow over quick. I mean if I’m wrong about maybe 5-10 minutes. I don’t mind being wrong. But if the Giants were wrong it will eat at management and the fan base for years not minutes. I like my position. |
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Post by SG88 on Apr 27, 2024 17:53:30 GMT -5
C- from me. Whenever you walk out of a draft without addressing your biggest needs (QB, oline, dline IMO), you don't win it. Time will tell of course, but I'm not walking out of this draft feeling stoked.
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 27, 2024 17:56:52 GMT -5
C- from me. Whenever you walk out of a draft without addressing your biggest needs (QB, oline, dline IMO), you don't win it. Time will tell of course, but I'm not walking out of this draft feeling stoked. I would have liked an attempt to draft Spencer Rattler. But I suppose they are happy with Lock/DeVito......and I suppose what's left of Daniel Jones. I pretty much like this draft otherwise. |
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Post by southerner on Apr 27, 2024 17:57:42 GMT -5
I think they did well…..A-……taking the 4th QB with the 6th pick of the draft would be more than stupid. They took a stud player. JJ has NFL backup QB written all over him……even Maye was questionable. I am certainly not a Daniel Jones fan, but Maye and McCarthy are no better. In fact worse than DJ. The Giants also picked a new starting safety and upgraded the TE position from Bellinger (Waller is done).
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Post by SG88 on Apr 27, 2024 18:02:53 GMT -5
C- from me. Whenever you walk out of a draft without addressing your biggest needs (QB, oline, dline IMO), you don't win it. Time will tell of course, but I'm not walking out of this draft feeling stoked. I would have liked an attempt to draft Spencer Rattler. But I suppose they are happy with Lock/DeVito......and I suppose what's left of Daniel Jones. I pretty much like this draft otherwise. Believing in 8 is what is going to get them fired IMO. Might as well put a blowtorch to 92 million dollars. I hope that I'm wrong and he crushes it in his 6th year, but I don't see it. Of course they purposely leaked that weak trade attempt to move up to 3rd overall to save face. |
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Post by DandyDon on Apr 27, 2024 18:06:34 GMT -5
You can't reach for a QB. Just ask the jets. And our recent history.
If all the reports are correct, they did try to trade up. If they did, it didn't work and they went to plan B.
The biggest question for me in the last decade plus is how many of the new kids are going to get hurt. Maybe before the season, maybe a couple weeks into the season.
THAT is the biggest issue with every draft for the Giants. Just MO.
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Post by redeyejedi on Apr 27, 2024 18:10:24 GMT -5
I would have liked an attempt to draft Spencer Rattler. But I suppose they are happy with Lock/DeVito......and I suppose what's left of Daniel Jones. I pretty much like this draft otherwise. Believing in 8 is what is going to get them fired IMO. Might as well put a blowtorch to 92 million dollars. I hope that I'm wrong and he crushes it in his 6th year, but I don't see it. Of course they purposely leaked that weak trade attempt to move up to 3rd overall to save face. Picking the wrong QB destroys franchises. We are now on Year 6 and I see a bare shit roster. We will start over again after this season. This team has zero chance of making the playoffs |
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Post by vinnie on Apr 27, 2024 18:13:02 GMT -5
I’ll give it a B-, if they drafted Rattler I would have given them an F. You don’t get props from me for drafting a stud in the top 10, unless it’s a QB or your name is DG (or Schoen with Neal) I expect a stud. Also, drafting in the top 10 after 2-3 years usually means your roster and/or coaching sucks which the GM is responsible for at that point.
I almost always give GM’s and coaches 3 years so I’m still not giving up on Schoen or Dabs but if DJ doesn’t turn into a franchise QB this year, not just an average QB, this team will f’ed for the next few years.
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Post by SG88 on Apr 27, 2024 18:13:41 GMT -5
Believing in 8 is what is going to get them fired IMO. Might as well put a blowtorch to 92 million dollars. I hope that I'm wrong and he crushes it in his 6th year, but I don't see it. Of course they purposely leaked that weak trade attempt to move up to 3rd overall to save face. Picking the wrong QB destroys franchises. We are now on Year 6 and I see a bare shit roster. We will start over again after this season. This team has zero chance of making the playoffs We certainly have figured that out the hard way. Reach or not, they simply did not address their biggest needs in my mind at this draft. Trust me bro, I want to be wrong and for us to field a contending franchise. |
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 27, 2024 18:17:30 GMT -5
C- from me. Whenever you walk out of a draft without addressing your biggest needs (QB, oline, dline IMO), you don't win it. Time will tell of course, but I'm not walking out of this draft feeling stoked. Reaching for a QB “because we need a QB” is exactly what got us into this mess. |
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Post by McCherry on Apr 27, 2024 18:21:18 GMT -5
Picking the wrong QB destroys franchises. We are now on Year 6 and I see a bare shit roster. We will start over again after this season. This team has zero chance of making the playoffs We certainly have figured that out the hard way. Reach or not, they simply did not address their biggest needs in my mind at this draft. Trust me bro, I want to be wrong and for us to field a contending franchise. WR, S, CB weren't among our biggest needs? I must be following a different team. |
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Post by vinnie on Apr 27, 2024 18:27:32 GMT -5
I would have liked an attempt to draft Spencer Rattler. But I suppose they are happy with Lock/DeVito......and I suppose what's left of Daniel Jones. I pretty much like this draft otherwise. Believing in 8 is what is going to get them fired IMO. Might as well put a blowtorch to 92 million dollars. I hope that I'm wrong and he crushes it in his 6th year, but I don't see it. Of course they purposely leaked that weak trade attempt to move up to 3rd overall to save face. I could see 8 having an average to slightly above average year but clearly not enough to get us to the big dance and Schoen and Co keep him around another year or two because he didn’t shit the bed and we’re picking too far back to get a QB they like. That would also be enough to save their jobs for awhile. This would actually be the worst case scenario IMO. Surround him with all the talent in the world, put up decent regular season stats but never franchise caliber. I’m sure some fans would be thrilled with this outcome as they continue making excuses for him. I don’t wish injuries on anyone, but with his injury history and lack of making good decisions, I could also see him getting hurt and collecting the 25 million which would also force Schoen to draft a QB that he probably won’t like and have to give up too much for or overpaying/trading for a FA (ie Cousins). Either way, both scenarios suck. |
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Post by Nite on Apr 27, 2024 18:28:24 GMT -5
Whats the grade below a F - ?
Two of the most critical areas were not addressed
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Post by southerner on Apr 27, 2024 18:28:44 GMT -5
I’ll give it a B-, if they drafted Rattler I would have given them an F. You don’t get props from me for drafting a stud in the top 10, unless it’s a QB or your name is DG (or Schoen with Neal) I expect a stud. Also, drafting in the top 10 after 2-3 years usually means your roster and/or coaching sucks which the GM is responsible for at that point. I almost always give GM’s and coaches 3 years so I’m still not giving up on Schoen or Dabs but if DJ doesn’t turn into a franchise QB this year, not just an average QB, this team will f’ed for the next few years. I live in South Carolina…….he is NOT nor will he ever be a starting, or even a backup NFL QB. |
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Post by Nite on Apr 27, 2024 18:29:52 GMT -5
C- from me. Whenever you walk out of a draft without addressing your biggest needs (QB, oline, dline IMO), you don't win it. Time will tell of course, but I'm not walking out of this draft feeling stoked. I would have liked an attempt to draft Spencer Rattler. But I suppose they are happy with Lock/DeVito......and I suppose what's left of Daniel Jones. I pretty much like this draft otherwise. Thank god we didn't |
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Post by vinnie on Apr 27, 2024 18:30:35 GMT -5
C- from me. Whenever you walk out of a draft without addressing your biggest needs (QB, oline, dline IMO), you don't win it. Time will tell of course, but I'm not walking out of this draft feeling stoked. Reaching for a QB “because we need a QB” is exactly what got us into this mess. You keep saying this but you still haven’t answered my questions from the other day. Those of us who wanted him to address QB sure catch a lot of shit but those criticizing us don’t give us their outlook or plan for the future. Easy to point fingers and criticize without solutions or answers. |
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Post by southerner on Apr 27, 2024 18:31:37 GMT -5
Whats the grade below a F - ? Two of the most critical areas were not addressed There were no real QBs after Daniels……lighten up skippy. |
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Post by sickntired on Apr 27, 2024 18:31:48 GMT -5
Believing in 8 is what is going to get them fired IMO. Might as well put a blowtorch to 92 million dollars. I hope that I'm wrong and he crushes it in his 6th year, but I don't see it. Of course they purposely leaked that weak trade attempt to move up to 3rd overall to save face. Picking the wrong QB destroys franchises. We are now on Year 6 and I see a bare shit roster. We will start over again after this season. This team has zero chance of making the playoffs I disagree….lets watch the oline and see what happens. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 27, 2024 18:32:03 GMT -5
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Post by Nite on Apr 27, 2024 18:35:40 GMT -5
C- from me. Whenever you walk out of a draft without addressing your biggest needs (QB, oline, dline IMO), you don't win it. Time will tell of course, but I'm not walking out of this draft feeling stoked. Reaching for a QB “because we need a QB” is exactly what got us into this mess. Other teams this year 'reach' for a QB (Penix, JJ, Nix) lets see how they do. Sometimes need trumps reach. The idiots before Schoen drafted a 4th round QB as the no. 6 pick because of one game. That was not a reach, that was idiocy |
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Post by southerner on Apr 27, 2024 18:36:45 GMT -5
Reaching for a QB “because we need a QB” is exactly what got us into this mess. You keep saying this but you still haven’t answered my questions from the other day. Those of us who wanted him to address QB sure catch a lot of shit but those criticizing us don’t give us their outlook or plan for the future. Easy to point fingers and criticize without solutions or answers. Easy answer……you build up the team with real studs at different positions so when you do have a shot at a possible franchise QB, he can step in and flourish. The Giants brought in DJ, and the team was a total dumpster fire, and he got slaughtered for 5 years. Look at this way……if DJ and the other QBs suck this year, the Giants will be drafting high next year with a very good WR corps, and improved offensive line and a really good defense. At that point they can go for the top slot. Now, imagine what happens if DJ, or one of the other two QBs crush……..then next year the Giants can really crush. |
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Post by Nite on Apr 27, 2024 18:39:08 GMT -5
Believing in 8 is what is going to get them fired IMO. Might as well put a blowtorch to 92 million dollars. I hope that I'm wrong and he crushes it in his 6th year, but I don't see it. Of course they purposely leaked that weak trade attempt to move up to 3rd overall to save face. I could see 8 having an average to slightly above average year but clearly not enough to get us to the big dance and Schoen and Co keep him around another year or two because he didn’t shit the bed and we’re picking too far back to get a QB they like. That would also be enough to save their jobs for awhile. This would actually be the worst case scenario IMO. Surround him with all the talent in the world, put up decent regular season stats but never franchise caliber. I’m sure some fans would be thrilled with this outcome as they continue making excuses for him. I don’t wish injuries on anyone, but with his injury history and lack of making good decisions, I could also see him getting hurt and collecting the 25 million which would also force Schoen to draft a QB that he probably won’t like and have to give up too much for or overpaying/trading for a FA (ie Cousins). Either way, both scenarios suck. He will have an average DJ year; 16 TD, 6 int, 4 fumbles and 2 rushing TDs this with all of our 'weapons' |
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Post by southerner on Apr 27, 2024 18:39:52 GMT -5
Reaching for a QB “because we need a QB” is exactly what got us into this mess. Other teams this year 'reach' for a QB (Penix, JJ, Nix) let’s see how they do. Sometimes need trumps reach. The idiots before Schoen drafted a 4th round QB as the no. 6 pick because of one game. That was not a reach, that was idiocy Idiocy would be picking Penix, JJ, or Nix at the 6th pick….Schoen was thankfully smarter than that…….Atlanta’s move is the worst pick I have ever seen in the first pick for a draft……just ahead of picking Tebow in any round of the NFL draft. |
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Post by southerner on Apr 27, 2024 18:41:16 GMT -5
I could see 8 having an average to slightly above average year but clearly not enough to get us to the big dance and Schoen and Co keep him around another year or two because he didn’t shit the bed and we’re picking too far back to get a QB they like. That would also be enough to save their jobs for awhile. This would actually be the worst case scenario IMO. Surround him with all the talent in the world, put up decent regular season stats but never franchise caliber. I’m sure some fans would be thrilled with this outcome as they continue making excuses for him. I don’t wish injuries on anyone, but with his injury history and lack of making good decisions, I could also see him getting hurt and collecting the 25 million which would also force Schoen to draft a QB that he probably won’t like and have to give up too much for or overpaying/trading for a FA (ie Cousins). Either way, both scenarios suck. He will have an average DJ year; 16 TD, 6 int, 4 fumbles and 2 rushing TDs this with all of our 'weapons' Perhaps, and then the Giants can get one of the QBs in free agency of the draft next year with a much better overall roster. |
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Post by Nite on Apr 27, 2024 18:42:29 GMT -5
Other teams this year 'reach' for a QB (Penix, JJ, Nix) let’s see how they do. Sometimes need trumps reach. The idiots before Schoen drafted a 4th round QB as the no. 6 pick because of one game. That was not a reach, that was idiocy Idiocy would be picking Penix, JJ, or Nix at the 6th pick….Schoen was thankfully smarter than that…….Atlanta’s move is the worst pick I have ever seen in the first pick for a draft……just ahead of picking Tebow in any round of the NFL draft. We'll see what happens next season. Two of the above are better than DJ right now |
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Post by southerner on Apr 27, 2024 18:43:36 GMT -5
JJ McCarthy = Mac Jones
Penix = Matt Leinart
Nix = Sam Darnold
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Post by SG88 on Apr 27, 2024 18:44:20 GMT -5
We certainly have figured that out the hard way. Reach or not, they simply did not address their biggest needs in my mind at this draft. Trust me bro, I want to be wrong and for us to field a contending franchise. WR, S, CB weren't among our biggest needs? I must be following a different team. Or we just have a difference in opinion..... Look, I'm not saying that we don't need those things. I just think the ones I mentioned are more glaring. |
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Post by te88 on Apr 27, 2024 18:45:09 GMT -5
Good job not pulling a Gettleman and drafting a 2nd/3rd round QB at 6 overall.
Good picks at positions of need otherwise. So I’m happy with this draft.
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Post by SG88 on Apr 27, 2024 18:48:08 GMT -5
I could see 8 having an average to slightly above average year but clearly not enough to get us to the big dance and Schoen and Co keep him around another year or two because he didn’t shit the bed and we’re picking too far back to get a QB they like. That would also be enough to save their jobs for awhile. This would actually be the worst case scenario IMO. Surround him with all the talent in the world, put up decent regular season stats but never franchise caliber. I’m sure some fans would be thrilled with this outcome as they continue making excuses for him. I don’t wish injuries on anyone, but with his injury history and lack of making good decisions, I could also see him getting hurt and collecting the 25 million which would also force Schoen to draft a QB that he probably won’t like and have to give up too much for or overpaying/trading for a FA (ie Cousins). Either way, both scenarios suck. He will have an average DJ year; 16 TD, 6 int, 4 fumbles and 2 rushing TDs this with all of our 'weapons' The Giants have been bad for so long that any mediocrity we get is vastly overstated. IMO, Blake Bortles is the perfect comp to 8. Two guys who got the 💰 after a playoff run with both teams immediately regretting that investment. |
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