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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 28, 2024 20:34:15 GMT -5
What will the excuses be next year when Dan Jones once again fails to throw more than 16 TDs and 3500 yds? My prediction, Dan Jones starts day one and stinks likes he always does, we get our teeth kicked in by eagles and cowboys like always..even Washington is better now too...Dan Jones gets injured like he always does, probably by running head first into a LB after a 3 yard run... Then we win a couple games with our backups. If Jones throws for 21 TD's and 3700 yds and we end up in the Championship game would you still be hung up on his stats? No. Because that would mean we have one of the best defenses in the NFL and I love destroying other teams with defense.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Apr 28, 2024 20:39:45 GMT -5
What will the excuses be next year when Dan Jones once again fails to throw more than 16 TDs and 3500 yds? My prediction, Dan Jones starts day one and stinks likes he always does, we get our teeth kicked in by eagles and cowboys like always..even Washington is better now too...Dan Jones gets injured like he always does, probably by running head first into a LB after a 3 yard run... Then we win a couple games with our backups. If Jones throws for 21 TD's and 3700 yds and we end up in the Championship game would you still be hung up on his stats? It would be phenomenal, but those are the expectations? 217 YPG and a 1.2 passing touchdowns per game is very low expectations for a position encompassing 20% of our cap. I suspect we need to hold Daniel Jones to the same expectations we have for our OL. Average. 21 passing TDs over 17 games is something Tommy Devitto was on pace for with no Nabers, last year. We need to have the highest expectations for our QB, not the lowest. Is the fair?
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Post by Roosevelt on Apr 28, 2024 20:49:39 GMT -5
I think he’ll have his best season ever and it will get him another year but it will also be clear he’s not the long term solution. This Jones saga will continue to draw out for at least 2 more years while the rest of the team wastes away. We’ll be a fringe or 1 win playoff team within the next two years but be held back by the QB. Jones will be Dak 1.5; see dallas cowboys since dak has been QB. Dak continues to have a few supporters due to his regular season stats, primarily against bad teams but most of the fan base wants him gone because they know he doesn’t have what it takes, that’s where I see us headed. In the meantime, a more competent QB who doesn’t fold under pressure probably would have won them a SB by now or at least got them to the Championship game.
This is an interesting take and one I can understand but he has had a couple slightly big moments in his career yes? Of course he hasn't had enough to make anyone believe he can deliver in the clutch, but it's not as if we was constantly letting our team down.
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Post by jaymas on Apr 28, 2024 20:55:51 GMT -5
If Daniel Jones status quos with Nabers in this offense, he's actually worse than I think. Will Nabers be more impactful than Saquon Barkley? Doubtful. Go check out DJs splits with and without SQB. I think that a WR of his caliber has more of an impact on a defense in 2024 than Barkley, yes.
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 28, 2024 21:07:20 GMT -5
Gone are the days practice squad WRs holding our offence back! We never drafted an OL this year, so the front office believe we should be average on this front. So do I. Andrew Thomas + average OL all around is a pretty solid unit. Tracey Jr will be a chess piece third down weapon, Singletary will be a great 1st/2nd runner and will be more consistent than Saquon. Yards: 4250 (250 YPG) Passing Tds: 30 (1.7 TDs/game) INTs: 10 We can leave rushing out as with the ACL, and a receiving corps of Nabers, Hyatt/Slayton, Wan Dale + Bellenger/Theo (both absolutely athletic freaks/mismatches) should increase our propensity to throw the ball Separation issues are a thing of the past. 250 YPG and 1.7 TDs/game is low hanging fruit - right? We have held Daniel back for too long, looking forward to watching him thrive My expectations are that he will continue to be Daniel Jones. In other words....he will drag this team down as he always does. He was completely outplayed by an undrafted free agent and a journeyman back up. That is the legacy of Daniel Jones. Nice guy of course. Our defense should provide some ability to be competitive and I would say our ceiling is 10 wins and a crushing loss in the playoffs. That's out best case scenario. I couldn't care less what his stats would be.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 28, 2024 21:09:39 GMT -5
If Daniel Jones status quos with Nabers in this offense, he's actually worse than I think. Will Nabers be more impactful than Saquon Barkley? Doubtful. Go check out DJs splits with and without SQB. Go look at Eli’s splits before and with OBJ. An elite game changing WR will do wonders for a QB and offense. Let’s hope Nabers is that.
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 28, 2024 21:22:59 GMT -5
If Daniel Jones status quos with Nabers in this offense, he's actually worse than I think. Will Nabers be more impactful than Saquon Barkley? Doubtful. Go check out DJs splits with and without SQB. There are no words to describe how much I disagree with this statement. These "bell cow" RB's can wreck an offense. They need to be fed and they strip the dynamics out of an offense. It happened even when Eli was still here. The best thing that could happen to our offense was the departure of Saquan Barkley. QB's LOVE the crutch of a guy to dump it off to after the first read is gone. The same thing happened when Tiki left. Great player...Great production. But we excelled with a multi back offense with Bradshaw and BJ after he left. That is the new NFL. The ONLY way to win is with a multi back attack. This is what Dave Gettleman refused to accept. He was living in the 20th century in a 21st century league. Yes....Malik Nabers will have a far greater impact than Saquan on our offense.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 28, 2024 21:42:14 GMT -5
Drew Lock sure as hell isn't a starting caliber QB. Everyone said the same thing about Geno Smith. Geno Smith is one example out of literally dozens of backup QB's. But anyone expecting Drew Lock to turn into Geno Smith is definitely more delusional than the fans expecting Jones to return to the serviceable level he was in '22.
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Post by DonnieYen on Apr 28, 2024 21:46:05 GMT -5
When healthy and with a good offensive line Jones is a really good QB in 2022 he had what like 4 game winning comeback drives or was it 6? that is the real Daniel Jones. last year from the start the offensive line stunk so did the WRs and defense. Jones had a mere second or two to throw the ball before being sacked last year. MY fear is Injury not ineffectiveness Keith McPherson on WFAN said Jones's injury was the same as Kyler Murray's the year before and Murray missed most of last year and then your never the same runner ever again and afraid to get hit, he doesn't think Jones starts the season next year I agree regardless of what the team or Jones says. I think Lock is the game one starter and if he struggles they go once again to Devito. I could see a trade for Russell Wilson Pittsburgh has a logjam of QBs
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Post by Aris on Apr 28, 2024 21:57:02 GMT -5
We had to listen to your crap that Giants had to replace Jones. This is where you show everyone that you’re a ****ing blowhard and overly sensitive fanboy. I’m literally on record saying not to draft a QB this past draft. Seriously you’re a ****ing moron when it comes to the NFL and forums.
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Post by Dogecoin on Apr 28, 2024 21:57:07 GMT -5
Probably his last. Getting him a legit #1 wide out leaves him with no other excuses.
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 28, 2024 21:58:18 GMT -5
Everyone said the same thing about Geno Smith. Geno Smith is one example out of literally dozens of backup QB's. But anyone expecting Drew Lock to turn into Geno Smith is definitely more delusional than the fans expecting Jones to return to the serviceable level he was in '22. I would tend to agree. I would also suggest that's it's equally true regarding Daniel Jones. But you may be on to something with this "serviceable" point. That is DJ's ceiling......."Serviceable" He's reached that ceiling in exactly one of 5 seasons in the league. The bar is awfully low these days.....Maybe that's best.
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Post by miggs on Apr 28, 2024 22:06:07 GMT -5
We had to listen to your crap that Giants had to replace Jones. This is where you show everyone that you’re a ****ing blowhard and overly sensitive fanboy. I’m literally on record saying not to draft a QB this past draft. Seriously you’re a ****ing moron when it comes to the NFL and forums. You haven't liked Jones. My apology for saying you wanted a new QB as I pay scant attention to your posts.
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 28, 2024 22:13:59 GMT -5
This is where you show everyone that you’re a ****ing blowhard and overly sensitive fanboy. I’m literally on record saying not to draft a QB this past draft. Seriously you’re a ****ing moron when it comes to the NFL and forums. You haven't liked Jones. My apology for saying you wanted a new QB as I pay scant attention to your posts. Don't be coy....You hang on every word.
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Post by DandyDon on Apr 28, 2024 22:14:22 GMT -5
If Jones throws for 21 TD's and 3700 yds and we end up in the Championship game would you still be hung up on his stats? No. Because that would mean we have one of the best defenses in the NFL and I love destroying other teams with defense. How would the offense doing that have anything to do with the defense? Nevermind. It doesn't have to make sense for some 🙄
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Post by Martin on Apr 28, 2024 22:19:44 GMT -5
Drew Lock sure as hell isn't a starting caliber QB. Everyone said the same thing about Geno Smith. Phil Simms think so about Lock. I watched his evaluation of him and he liked what he did last year. He said his improvement was eye opening and the needle was pointing up for him. Sorry I don't have the link.
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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 28, 2024 22:23:01 GMT -5
Gone are the days practice squad WRs holding our offence back! We never drafted an OL this year, so the front office believe we should be average on this front. So do I. Andrew Thomas + average OL all around is a pretty solid unit. Tracey Jr will be a chess piece third down weapon, Singletary will be a great 1st/2nd runner and will be more consistent than Saquon. Yards: 4250 (250 YPG) Passing Tds: 30 (1.7 TDs/game) INTs: 10 We can leave rushing out as with the ACL, and a receiving corps of Nabers, Hyatt/Slayton, Wan Dale + Bellenger/Theo (both absolutely athletic freaks/mismatches) should increase our propensity to throw the ball Separation issues are a thing of the past. 250 YPG and 1.7 TDs/game is low hanging fruit - right? We have held Daniel back for too long, looking forward to watching him thrive My expectations are that he's slightly better than average (16th) on yards and TDs and that he's not a liability. Is that too much to ask?
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 28, 2024 22:24:24 GMT -5
Everyone said the same thing about Geno Smith. Phil Simms think so about Lock. I watched his evaluation of him and he liked what he did last year. He said his improvement was eye opening and the needle was pointing up for him. Sorry I don't have the link. .....and I hope against hope that he's right.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 28, 2024 22:51:46 GMT -5
This is where you show everyone that you’re a ****ing blowhard and overly sensitive fanboy. I’m literally on record saying not to draft a QB this past draft. Seriously you’re a ****ing moron when it comes to the NFL and forums. You haven't liked Jones. My apology for saying you wanted a new QB as I pay scant attention to your posts. You're one of my biggest fans.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 28, 2024 22:52:57 GMT -5
No. Because that would mean we have one of the best defenses in the NFL and I love destroying other teams with defense. How would the offense doing that have anything to do with the defense? Nevermind. It doesn't have to make sense for some 🙄 Are you really this idiotic to have to ask that question?
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Post by miggs on Apr 28, 2024 22:54:40 GMT -5
You haven't liked Jones. My apology for saying you wanted a new QB as I pay scant attention to your posts. You're one of my biggest fans. I am. Hope you will also grow to like him.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 28, 2024 22:57:55 GMT -5
Everyone said the same thing about Geno Smith. Phil Simms think so about Lock. I watched his evaluation of him and he liked what he did last year. He said his improvement was eye opening and the needle was pointing up for him. Sorry I don't have the link. This interview? Simms on Lock starts at 13:17
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 28, 2024 22:58:24 GMT -5
You're one of my biggest fans. I am. Do I need a protection order? lol
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Post by giantbob71 on Apr 28, 2024 23:43:46 GMT -5
Probably his last. Getting him a legit #1 wide out leaves him with no other excuses. Oh no...just wait. With DJ, the excuses outnumber TDs 1000 to 1. DJ will be average, at best. DJ will get hurt. This will be a bottom 3-5 offense. Giants are out of the playoff race by November. I just hope DJ doesn't cost the Giants $23 million more than he already has.
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Post by giantbob71 on Apr 28, 2024 23:57:30 GMT -5
Phil Simms think so about Lock. I watched his evaluation of him and he liked what he did last year. He said his improvement was eye opening and the needle was pointing up for him. Sorry I don't have the link. This interview? Simms on Lock starts at 13:17 Simms on Lock... "Calling Lock a backup is an understatement. He's a good backup plus.
If he has to play for the Giants, there won't be much of a drop-off."So, Simms', who is the biggest Giant homer out there, evaluation is that Lock is a really good NFL backup (he couldn't even call him a low tier starter?), and very comparable to the Giants $40 million man? If that doesn't make you feel warm and fuzzy, nothing will!
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Post by Analyst on Apr 29, 2024 6:38:28 GMT -5
Will Nabers be more impactful than Saquon Barkley? Doubtful. Go check out DJs splits with and without SQB. There are no words to describe how much I disagree with this statement. These "bell cow" RB's can wreck an offense. They need to be fed and they strip the dynamics out of an offense. It happened even when Eli was still here. The best thing that could happen to our offense was the departure of Saquan Barkley. QB's LOVE the crutch of a guy to dump it off to after the first read is gone. The same thing happened when Tiki left. Great player...Great production. But we excelled with a multi back offense with Bradshaw and BJ after he left. That is the new NFL. The ONLY way to win is with a multi back attack. This is what Dave Gettleman refused to accept. He was living in the 20th century in a 21st century league. Yes....Malik Nabers will have a far greater impact than Saquan on our offense. So, a few things here. First off, you know Im a proponent of the saying "RBs are a dime a dozen". They are. And I did think SQB was overrated here. He was. However, he was still a focal point on the offense and our best weapon when healthy, which wasnt often anymore. Daniel Jones needs help all around him to be a good QB. Secondly, you simply can not compare SQB leaving and Tiki leaving. Eli is a thousand times better QB than Jones. And thats being nice. When we lost Tiki, we had a GREAT OL established. We had Plax, Toomer and Smith at WR. We had a dominant pass rush on defense to help out. We dont have those things (pass rush to be seen with addition of Burns). Those things masked losing Tiki Barber, one of the greatest RBs in a 5 year window the game has ever seen. Bradshaw and Jacobs were an awesome duo. We dont know if we have that yet. Thirdly, Malik Nabers hasnt done a thing yet. We have no idea on if he will even work. What if HE benefitted greatly from Thomas on the other side and Jayden Daniels threat to run sucking up defenses at LSU. We dont know yet. From thnigs Ive heard, he gets jammed at the LOS pretty easy. I think Nabers should be a great WR, but I have to see it first. He most likely wont be as impactful as SQB in year 1, and that might be all we have left until we hit reset again. All 3 QBs could be gone next year, Daboll could be gone, which means all coaches will be gone. (PS, the best thing that could have happened to our team was Daniel Jones not coming back and SQB staying to be honest.)
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Post by cdngfan on Apr 29, 2024 6:58:26 GMT -5
If the o line is 16th best line in the league, and Nabers and Robinson stay healthy, Jones could have a great year.
The discussion is around the probability of that happening. He’s going to have to trust his line and somehow learn to cycle through his progressions in a way that he’s struggled to do so.
I think the probability of him having a great year is 20%. Having a 22’ year is 50%, him having a 23’ year is 30%. Yes these are completely arbitrary percentages.
Once again, it has less to do with Jones and more to do with the line this year.
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Post by inthezone on Apr 29, 2024 7:16:38 GMT -5
I expect Jones to lose the starting job to Lock who's plays has been nothing to get excited about so far.
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Post by bluedragon on Apr 29, 2024 7:19:27 GMT -5
You mean when Daboll neutered the offense to bring out the "best" in Jones? FFS Miggs/Mendy, you're insufferable. We had to listen to your crap that Giants had to replace Jones. .lJones carried the Giants two years ago and had to overcome Daboll's crap no play calling in the first half of games and playing behind a bad offensive line. Stop with the put downs of Jones. At least Schoen is smarter than you. If Schoen was smart, he would have ascertained a quality QB in free agency or in the draft. Not necessarily to replace Jones, but to have one step in and carry the team if Jones goes down. We are stuck in the mud WHEN Jones goes down. At least Tyrod was able to hold it down, but they let him go. The front office is playing checkers and everyone else is playing chess. Plus I keep saying it ....Jones is a train wreck
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 29, 2024 7:23:14 GMT -5
We had to listen to your crap that Giants had to replace Jones. .lJones carried the Giants two years ago and had to overcome Daboll's crap no play calling in the first half of games and playing behind a bad offensive line. Stop with the put downs of Jones. At least Schoen is smarter than you. If Schoen was smart, he would have ascertained a quality QB in free agency or in the draft. Not necessarily to replace Jones, Who?
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