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Post by Danke Schoen on May 2, 2024 10:35:16 GMT -5
Two teams have benched a QB in the last two seasons, strictly due to their injury clauses Well... Wilson sat for only one game in week 17 after he wouldn't agree to updating his contract. That's a bit different than suggesting they just not play Jones. It’s very similar. The Broncos lucked out in the sense that Wilson didn’t get hurt in week 9 or beyond. “ Wilson is “guaranteed $39 million in 2024 whether he is on the team or not,” as well as “another $37 million (his 2025 salary) guaranteed if he could not pass a physical on the fifth day of the new league year in March.” In his interview with media on Friday, Wilson said he was approached by the team after the Broncos’ Week 8 victory over the Kansas City Chiefs and told if he didn’t move back his injury guarantee in his contract that he’d be benched. “We beat the Chiefs. They came up to me at the beginning of the bye week — Monday or Tuesday — and told me that if I didn’t change my contract, my injury guarantee, that I’d be benched for the rest of the year … I was definitely disappointed about it,” said Wilson. “I wasn’t going to take away injury guarantees,” he said. “This game is such a physical game. I’ve played for 12 years and that matters to me.”
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Post by Morehead State on May 2, 2024 10:35:43 GMT -5
I suspect if there play is similar, which i suspect it will be. The Giants will healthy scratch Jones at some point during rather than giving him another $50MM guaranteed in 2025-2026. lets see how it plays out. Lock @ $5MM >>>>>>>>>> DJ at $47.1 MM That's not how it works. He has a $30M base salary in 2025. $23M of that salary was guaranteed for injury. So if he has an injury that prevents him from passing a physical and they cut him, he's due that $23M. Teams don't make decisions that impact the outcome of their season based on an injury clause. They will play the best QB. That,'s not true. That's why Derek Carr sat at the end of the season in LV and Russell Wilson in Denver last year.
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Post by McCherry on May 2, 2024 10:47:27 GMT -5
That's not how it works. He has a $30M base salary in 2025. $23M of that salary was guaranteed for injury. So if he has an injury that prevents him from passing a physical and they cut him, he's due that $23M. Teams don't make decisions that impact the outcome of their season based on an injury clause. They will play the best QB. That,'s not true. That's why Derek Carr sat at the end of the season in LV and Russell Wilson in Denver last year. Again, Carr sat for only 2 games and Wilson for only 1. They are not going to start Lock for a significant portion of the season out of fear of having to pay an injury clause to Jones as have suggested.
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Post by snyder55 on May 2, 2024 15:31:41 GMT -5
right now I wonder if the Giants had it to do over again would they have given Jones the huge contact they did, it looked like a huge over pay to me for an unproven QB..
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 2, 2024 22:02:55 GMT -5
right now I wonder if the Giants had it to do over again would they have given Jones the huge contact they did, it looked like a huge over pay to me for an unproven QB.. When you look at where they were drafting after winning making the playoffs and getting to the 2nd round probably 40 mill was to much but I think they were betting on him expanding his game and the OL improving, neither one of those things happened + injuries ruined any chance for a good start to the season. You got to have a QB think they believed that he had a chance and wanted to see more so they gave him basically 2 years deal where they can be out of it next year looking at the deal they weren't sure either they took a shot on him being the guy QBs are not an easy find. Think they will have remorse if they win 3 to 5 games and he gets hurt again if they can get out of his deal they more than likely will be ok with moving on when the time comes unless for some reason he goes denying the big plays to taking them and converting them then he will make them rethink there QB plan.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 2, 2024 22:09:13 GMT -5
They all have there issues. The expectations of him playing a full season are very low based on history. None of us have a crystal ball though. one thing not discussed in this thread is... what if Lock outright beats him for Qb#1? That could very well happen he has the arm to hit the throws Jones turns down, we have to remember the injury clause basically covers something major happening again the minor injuries he will be healthy before it kicks in still if Lock could do that it would help them be secure for the short term future. And allow them to move on from DJ after this year.
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Post by mendy on May 3, 2024 6:42:51 GMT -5
They all have there issues. The expectations of him playing a full season are very low based on history. None of us have a crystal ball though. one thing not discussed in this thread is... what if Lock outright beats him for Qb#1? Ok, what if Tommy D beats out Lock ?
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Post by GameTime on May 3, 2024 7:05:47 GMT -5
right now I wonder if the Giants had it to do over again would they have given Jones the huge contact they did, it looked like a huge over pay to me for an unproven QB.. using hindsight of course they wouldnt have. Much of the fanbase and football world didnt think they should have, I was on board because it so hard to find a franchise QB and see liked the light went on in 2022. I looked past the TD stats etc. He seemed to be in control of the game all season in 2022. He was one the main reasons they won game in and game out. he was leading the team as a franchise QB should. I was down on him and he changed my mind. Then in 2023 he reminded me of why they shouldnt not have given him the contract. The reality is what it is.
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Post by Fletch842 on May 3, 2024 7:36:47 GMT -5
right now I wonder if the Giants had it to do over again would they have given Jones the huge contact they did, it looked like a huge over pay to me for an unproven QB.. using hindsight of course they wouldnt have. Much of the fanbase and football world didnt think they should have, I was on board because it so hard to find a franchise QB and see liked the light went on in 2022. I looked past the TD stats etc. He seemed to be in control of the game all season in 2022. He was one the main reasons they won game in and game out. he was leading the team as a franchise QB should. I was down on him and he changed my mind. Then in 2023 he reminded me of why they shouldnt not have given him the contract. The reality is what it is. in 2022 it really looked like he was starting to improve on some of his weaknesses. Some of us (myself included) thought he was going to take the next step forward last year, in which case the contract would have been ok, but he regressed pretty badly. Even if he plays at the 2022 level, it won't be worth that contract. I think they build in "improvement factor" into it, and it's highly unlikely he'll play at that level.
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Post by Rangers13 on May 3, 2024 7:42:37 GMT -5
using hindsight of course they wouldnt have. Much of the fanbase and football world didnt think they should have, I was on board because it so hard to find a franchise QB and see liked the light went on in 2022. I looked past the TD stats etc. He seemed to be in control of the game all season in 2022. He was one the main reasons they won game in and game out. he was leading the team as a franchise QB should. I was down on him and he changed my mind. Then in 2023 he reminded me of why they shouldnt not have given him the contract. The reality is what it is. in 2022 it really looked like he was starting to improve on some of his weaknesses. Some of us (myself included) thought he was going to take the next step forward last year, in which case the contract would have been ok, but he regressed pretty badly. Even if he plays at the 2022 level, it won't be worth that contract. I think they build in "improvement factor" into it, and it's highly unlikely he'll play at that level. 2022 reminds me of 2017 with Eli. Looked promising and then the line collapsed the following year. Giants entered in the draft in need of QB and came out with a skill position. Will 2024 be different than 2019? Will Jones be the guy or like Eli will everybody realize enough is enough?
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Post by Fletch842 on May 3, 2024 8:06:35 GMT -5
in 2022 it really looked like he was starting to improve on some of his weaknesses. Some of us (myself included) thought he was going to take the next step forward last year, in which case the contract would have been ok, but he regressed pretty badly. Even if he plays at the 2022 level, it won't be worth that contract. I think they build in "improvement factor" into it, and it's highly unlikely he'll play at that level. 2022 reminds me of 2017 with Eli. Looked promising and then the line collapsed the following year. Giants entered in the draft in need of QB and came out with a skill position. Will 2024 be different than 2019? Will Jones be the guy or like Eli will everybody realize enough is enough? my guess is that enough will be enough. Hopefully he proves me wrong. Worst case is that he plays ok (kinda like 2022), leaving the FO with a difficult decision. Good or bad, a definitive answer would be better.
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Post by idkaname on May 3, 2024 8:34:07 GMT -5
That's not how it works. He has a $30M base salary in 2025. $23M of that salary was guaranteed for injury. So if he has an injury that prevents him from passing a physical and they cut him, he's due that $23M. Teams don't make decisions that impact the outcome of their season based on an injury clause. They will play the best QB. In the past two seasons Derek Carr and Russell Wilson were benched to avoid the injury clause kicking in for the following year. Carr is 33 and Wilson is 35...
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Post by Danke Schoen on May 3, 2024 8:46:09 GMT -5
In the past two seasons Derek Carr and Russell Wilson were benched to avoid the injury clause kicking in for the following year. Carr is 33 and Wilson is 35... Thank you for the irrelevant data.
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Post by snyder55 on May 3, 2024 8:49:50 GMT -5
in 2022 it really looked like he was starting to improve on some of his weaknesses. Some of us (myself included) thought he was going to take the next step forward last year, in which case the contract would have been ok, but he regressed pretty badly. Even if he plays at the 2022 level, it won't be worth that contract. I think they build in "improvement factor" into it, and it's highly unlikely he'll play at that level. 2022 reminds me of 2017 with Eli. Looked promising and then the line collapsed the following year. Giants entered in the draft in need of QB and came out with a skill position. Will 2024 be different than 2019? Will Jones be the guy or like Eli will everybody realize enough is enough? i think its time to stop throwing good money into what looks to be more wishful thinking as far as Jones progression goes, a player either has it or he don't and if he did have it we should be seeing it long before now...
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Post by inconvenientruth on May 3, 2024 9:48:19 GMT -5
one thing not discussed in this thread is... what if Lock outright beats him for Qb#1? Ok, what if Tommy D beats out Lock ? whos the tallest midget?!
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Post by idkaname on May 3, 2024 12:43:11 GMT -5
Carr is 33 and Wilson is 35... Thank you for the irrelevant data. No problem multiple account user
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Post by GameTime on May 3, 2024 12:52:07 GMT -5
using hindsight of course they wouldnt have. Much of the fanbase and football world didnt think they should have, I was on board because it so hard to find a franchise QB and see liked the light went on in 2022. I looked past the TD stats etc. He seemed to be in control of the game all season in 2022. He was one the main reasons they won game in and game out. he was leading the team as a franchise QB should. I was down on him and he changed my mind. Then in 2023 he reminded me of why they shouldnt not have given him the contract. The reality is what it is. in 2022 it really looked like he was starting to improve on some of his weaknesses. Some of us (myself included) thought he was going to take the next step forward last year, in which case the contract would have been ok, but he regressed pretty badly. Even if he plays at the 2022 level, it won't be worth that contract. I think they build in "improvement factor" into it, and it's highly unlikely he'll play at that level. agreed
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Post by Danke Schoen on May 3, 2024 15:10:07 GMT -5
Thank you for the irrelevant data. No problem multiple account user Thanks for another irrelevant reply albeit apropos from a paranoid conspiracy theorist. lol
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