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Post by jb456 on Jul 3, 2024 7:22:53 GMT -5
You don’t think that going from one of the worst QB’s to one of the top QB’s puts the Giants in the conversation of a winning season in ‘25? That would suggest that Schoen has done a downright awful job overall. No. Your projection aside Prescott isn't taking any team further than their overall talent dictates. Sure he's better than Jones but is that really the bar? If so, that's tragic. This is crazy. It's like this fanbase is screaming to achieve mediocrity. How could anyone be ok with the Giants throwing $60M at a mediocre QB? |
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Post by cdngfan on Jul 3, 2024 7:41:43 GMT -5
No. Your projection aside Prescott isn't taking any team further than their overall talent dictates. Sure he's better than Jones but is that really the bar? If so, that's tragic. This is crazy. It's like this fanbase is screaming to achieve mediocrity. How could anyone be ok with the Giants throwing $60M at a mediocre QB? That’s a question to ask every GM in the NFL other than maybe 5 of them. I don’t think there’s a fan who doesn’t want a Allen/Mahomes like QB. But the road to getting one is becoming even more narrow than it used to be, and it’s always been narrow. But consistently across the NFL GMs sign QBs to contracts that fans think are insane (Cousins/Dak/DJ/Lawrence/Watson, just off the top of my head). It’s not one team and one GM. It’s pretty consistent. Just my theory, but GMs fear the unknown of rookie QBs more than fans do. Every analysts in the NFL had the Vikings moving up to make sure they got McCarthy. I saw maybe one mock out of 70 that had McCarthy naturally fall out of the top 8. They were clearly willing to risk losing a rookie QB with no real option to fall back on. That’s instructive to me. I think as fans it’s easy to overvalue cap space. You can’t sit in front of an owner with an expired GM contract and a 6 win team and save your job with a cap availability argument. You can sit in front of a GM with a tight cap situation with 9 wins and probably get another 4 years. So a GM will absolutely overpay for a mediocre QB because it keeps them employed. I hear this “why are we willing to accept mediocrity” argument a lot when it comes to the QB position. It’s a fair point. I just never hear a strategy to acquire a HOF level QB before you get fired as a a GM. Because it’s clear from the contracts that mediocre QBs get that fans overvalue rookie QBs compared to GMs. Understanding why that gap exists will help answer why so many GMs are betting their jobs on flawed QBs. |
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Post by jb456 on Jul 3, 2024 7:51:25 GMT -5
This is crazy. It's like this fanbase is screaming to achieve mediocrity. How could anyone be ok with the Giants throwing $60M at a mediocre QB? That’s a question to ask every GM in the NFL other than maybe 5 of them. I don’t think there’s a fan who doesn’t want a Allen/Mahomes like QB. But the road to getting one is becoming even more narrow than it used to be, and it’s always been narrow. But consistently across the NFL GMs sign QBs to contracts that fans think are insane (Cousins/Dak/DJ/Lawrence/Watson, just off the top of my head). It’s not one team and one GM. It’s pretty consistent. Just my theory, but GMs fear the unknown of rookie QBs more than fans do. Every analysts in the NFL had the Vikings moving up to make sure they got McCarthy. I saw maybe one mock out of 70 that had McCarthy naturally fall out of the top 8. They were clearly willing to risk losing a rookie QB with no real option to fall back on. That’s instructive to me. I think as fans it’s easy to overvalue cap space. You can’t sit in front of an owner with an expired GM contract and a 6 win team and save your job with a cap availability argument. You can sit in front of a GM with a tight cap situation with 9 wins and probably get another 4 years. So a GM will absolutely overpay for a mediocre QB because it keeps them employed. I hear this “why are we willing to accept mediocrity” argument a lot when it comes to the QB position. It’s a fair point. I just never hear a strategy to acquire a HOF level QB before you get fired as a a GM. Because it’s clear from the contracts that mediocre QBs get that fans overvalue rookie QBs compared to GMs. Understanding why that gap exists will help answer why so many GMs are betting their jobs on flawed QBs. Logical and understandable. We (The fans) don't want an average team, we want the potential for the team to get another ring. I can understand why a GM would think this move would be ok but I have no idea why a fan would be happy about it. Dak has had steel wall, weapons and a very good defense supporting him. The Giants have none of that. A Dak lead team's peak is 8 or 9 wins, maybe a little less. |
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Post by Danke Schoen on Jul 3, 2024 9:18:44 GMT -5
Dak is trash and a huge portion of the Cowboys fan base don't like him either. He would be terrible on the Giants. No one wants him except for you. Your reading comprehension is almost as laughable as your “big game QBs” list. I’m not surprised that these simple words confuse you. It's easy to lazily tie Prescott to the Giants because of his and Jones' contract terms. However it's idiotic to think the Giants will drop megamoney on a QB who is at the end of his prime. |
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Post by vinnie on Jul 3, 2024 9:30:01 GMT -5
That’s a question to ask every GM in the NFL other than maybe 5 of them. I don’t think there’s a fan who doesn’t want a Allen/Mahomes like QB. But the road to getting one is becoming even more narrow than it used to be, and it’s always been narrow. But consistently across the NFL GMs sign QBs to contracts that fans think are insane (Cousins/Dak/DJ/Lawrence/Watson, just off the top of my head). It’s not one team and one GM. It’s pretty consistent. Just my theory, but GMs fear the unknown of rookie QBs more than fans do. Every analysts in the NFL had the Vikings moving up to make sure they got McCarthy. I saw maybe one mock out of 70 that had McCarthy naturally fall out of the top 8. They were clearly willing to risk losing a rookie QB with no real option to fall back on. That’s instructive to me. I think as fans it’s easy to overvalue cap space. You can’t sit in front of an owner with an expired GM contract and a 6 win team and save your job with a cap availability argument. You can sit in front of a GM with a tight cap situation with 9 wins and probably get another 4 years. So a GM will absolutely overpay for a mediocre QB because it keeps them employed. I hear this “why are we willing to accept mediocrity” argument a lot when it comes to the QB position. It’s a fair point. I just never hear a strategy to acquire a HOF level QB before you get fired as a a GM. Because it’s clear from the contracts that mediocre QBs get that fans overvalue rookie QBs compared to GMs. Understanding why that gap exists will help answer why so many GMs are betting their jobs on flawed QBs. Logical and understandable. We (The fans) don't want an average team, we want the potential for the team to get another ring. I can understand why a GM would think this move would be ok but I have no idea why a fan would be happy about it. Dak has had steel wall, weapons and a very good defense supporting him. The Giants have none of that. A Dak lead team's peak is 8 or 9 wins, maybe a little less. This is why I’ve said for awhile that if Dak actually hit FA, which I don’t think he will unless Trey Lance balls out, then I wouldn’t be surprised if Schoen made a dumbass move like signing Dak just to save his ass for a few more years. Dak would be a grossly overpaid safety net and nothing more. That’s also assuming Schoen could build a top 5-10 offensive line and surround him with lots of talent on both sides of the ball which is highly questionable as well. I’d say the majority of cows fans want to move on from Dak because he’ll be expensive and they also know he’ll never be the one to get them over the hump but some Giants fans are so desperate for relevancy that they would gladly accept a QB of a team who’s own fans don’t even want him. I’ll never say never but Dak getting the cowboys (or another stacked team) to to a Super Bowl is about as likely as DJ becoming a franchise QB. Would some you gamble that much money and a multiple year commitment on DJ becoming a franchise QB based on what you’ve seen so far? Didn’t think so why take a gamble with Dak as being the guy to lead the Giants to the ultimate prize based on what he’s done so far? |
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 3, 2024 9:32:15 GMT -5
No. Your projection aside Prescott isn't taking any team further than their overall talent dictates. Sure he's better than Jones but is that really the bar? If so, that's tragic. This is crazy. It's like this fanbase is screaming to achieve mediocrity. How could anyone be ok with the Giants throwing $60M at a mediocre QB? Prescott is good, that’s not the issue for me. The issue for me is that he isn’t a truck, he’s a trailer. The reason I don’t want him for the Giants is his cost/benefit result. Yes he’s better than current and is an upgrade to their current situation, but not exceedingly better, just incrementally better. I don’t agree with spending top dollars for incremental improvement. IMO Prescott is worth not more than .5 games a year over average. If that. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Jul 3, 2024 9:46:36 GMT -5
Logical and understandable. We (The fans) don't want an average team, we want the potential for the team to get another ring. I can understand why a GM would think this move would be ok but I have no idea why a fan would be happy about it. Dak has had steel wall, weapons and a very good defense supporting him. The Giants have none of that. A Dak lead team's peak is 8 or 9 wins, maybe a little less. This is why I’ve said for awhile that if Dak actually hit FA, which I don’t think he will unless Trey Lance balls out, then I wouldn’t be surprised if Schoen made a dumbass move like signing Dak just to save his ass for a few more years. Dak would be a grossly overpaid safety net and nothing more. That’s also assuming Schoen could build a top 5-10 offensive line and surround him with lots of talent on both sides of the ball which is highly questionable as well. I’d say the majority of cows fans want to move on from Dak because he’ll be expensive and they also know he’ll never be the one to get them over the hump but some Giants fans are so desperate for relevancy that they would gladly accept a QB of a team who’s own fans don’t even want him. I’ll never say never but Dak getting the cowboys (or another stacked team) to to a Super Bowl is about as likely as DJ becoming a franchise QB. Would some you gamble that much money and a multiple year commitment on DJ becoming a franchise QB based on what you’ve seen so far? Didn’t think so why take a gamble with Dak as being the guy to lead the Giants to the ultimate prize based on what he’s done so far? and if our O line improves like that, DJ should look pretty good, and our running game should be excellent, so there would be no reason to break the bank on Dak. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jul 3, 2024 9:54:36 GMT -5
Very good points Tem, But I will say I'm not totally against it I believe Dak would make our offense better. I don't know what better options we have. I have no confidence in Jones. None ! But I'm not holding a parade for Dak either, I'm willing to give him up to 50 mil a year hopefully less absolutely no more than 50 mil a year or let him walk. It might be a good business decision. That is the going price of a top veteran starting QB in todays NFL. The top guys are going to make 60 mil a year coming up. Dak could be a top 10 NFL QB. Definitely a top 15. If you want a decent starter that's the price of doing business. It's basically 1 rung above the price were paying Jones. And in retrospect 40 mil a year today for Jones a starting vet QB (6 years) is not bad. It's just that Jones is bad is why people are crying about the money. But if Jones was competent the deal would be fine to darn good. 40 mil a year with 2 years to go after this year. Having a competent QB under that contract would be sweet. Now a top rookie QB of course would be half that salary and so much better for the team. Bottom line would Dak improve the team or not ? Would you rather have DJ as your QB ? Who else is coming along ? I am in the camp. The only purpose for the season is to expand the trophy room. Dak is not winning that game. Neither is Cousins. We had our Kerry Collins already. History does not need to repeat itself. Phil and Eli both got better as the pressure increased. That is the type QB that gets it done. That's fine, but where is that next QB coming from. As of now Dak is the best QB coming along. There are supposedly no QB's coming out of the draft to save us even if were lucky enough to be in position to get a QB. Dak's contract is up at the end of the year. I think Dallas tags Dak at worse scenario so he probably isn't even freed up in 2025. He's probably signed by Dallas who else are they getting ? Who knows what were going to do, we cut DJ then what ? There's no college phenom coming out at the end of this year we might not even be able to cut DJ at the end of the year. Unless we just put any Johnny come lately at QB for a year and hope for the best. Everybody gets fired at the end of that scenario. What is the answer to improve the QB position on this team. The first steps are taken shore up the OL and get a top WR. Done and Done, hopefully. |
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Post by jb456 on Jul 3, 2024 10:06:34 GMT -5
Dak is trash and a huge portion of the Cowboys fan base don't like him either. He would be terrible on the Giants. No one wants him except for you. Your reading comprehension is almost as laughable as your “big game QBs” list. I’m not surprised that these simple words confuse you. It's easy to lazily tie Prescott to the Giants because of his and Jones' contract terms. However it's idiotic to think the Giants will drop megamoney on a QB who is at the end of his prime. You're a DP fanboy! Man crushes are pathetic in any circumstance but at least you could have set the bar higher than 2-5 playoff choke artist... |
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Post by jb456 on Jul 3, 2024 10:14:13 GMT -5
This is crazy. It's like this fanbase is screaming to achieve mediocrity. How could anyone be ok with the Giants throwing $60M at a mediocre QB? Prescott is good, that’s not the issue for me. The issue for me is that he isn’t a truck, he’s a trailer. The reason I don’t want him for the Giants is his cost/benefit result. Yes he’s better than current and is an upgrade to their current situation, but not exceedingly better, just incrementally better. I don’t agree with spending top dollars for incremental improvement. IMO Prescott is worth not more than .5 games a year over average. If that. Everything you said is correct. If fact, I would have given Prescott a bigger impact than you did, maybe between 1 or 2 games. Danke Schoen appears to believe that Prescott is the Giants key to the promised land. If the promised land is a one and done playoff appeared, he would be correct.... |
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Post by TEM on Jul 3, 2024 10:23:11 GMT -5
I am in the camp. The only purpose for the season is to expand the trophy room. Dak is not winning that game. Neither is Cousins. We had our Kerry Collins already. History does not need to repeat itself. Phil and Eli both got better as the pressure increased. That is the type QB that gets it done. That's fine, but where is that next QB coming from. As of now Dak is the best QB coming along. There are supposedly no QB's coming out of the draft to save us even if were lucky enough to be in position to get a QB. Dak's contract is up at the end of the year. I think Dallas tags Dak at worse scenario so he probably isn't even freed up in 2025. He's probably signed by Dallas who else are they getting ? Who knows what were going to do, we cut DJ then what ? There's no college phenom coming out at the end of this year we might not even be able to cut DJ at the end of the year. Unless we just put any Johnny come lately at QB for a year and hope for the best. Everybody gets fired at the end of that scenario. What is the answer to improve the QB position on this team. The first steps are taken shore up the OL and get a top WR. Done and Done, hopefully. That is the dilemma a quarter of the league is in every year. As far as the rest of your Questions. That's why the Giants are paying Joe Schoen, Brandon Brown, Kevin Abrams, Brian Daboll and Mike Kafka big bucks. Because they all think how to answers those questions to a qualitative solution. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 3, 2024 10:50:51 GMT -5
Prescott is good, that’s not the issue for me. The issue for me is that he isn’t a truck, he’s a trailer. The reason I don’t want him for the Giants is his cost/benefit result. Yes he’s better than current and is an upgrade to their current situation, but not exceedingly better, just incrementally better. I don’t agree with spending top dollars for incremental improvement. IMO Prescott is worth not more than .5 games a year over average. If that. Everything you said is correct. If fact, I would have given Prescott a bigger impact than you did, maybe between 1 or 2 games. Danke Schoen appears to believe that Prescott is the Giants key to the promised land. If the promised land is a one and done playoff appeared, he would be correct.... It’s an estimate, he could absolutely be worth a game a year over average replacement. IMO not two or more. |
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Post by cdngfan on Jul 3, 2024 11:37:32 GMT -5
I am in the camp. The only purpose for the season is to expand the trophy room. Dak is not winning that game. Neither is Cousins. We had our Kerry Collins already. History does not need to repeat itself. Phil and Eli both got better as the pressure increased. That is the type QB that gets it done. That's fine, but where is that next QB coming from. As of now Dak is the best QB coming along. There are supposedly no QB's coming out of the draft to save us even if were lucky enough to be in position to get a QB. Dak's contract is up at the end of the year. I think Dallas tags Dak at worse scenario so he probably isn't even freed up in 2025. He's probably signed by Dallas who else are they getting ? Who knows what were going to do, we cut DJ then what ? There's no college phenom coming out at the end of this year we might not even be able to cut DJ at the end of the year. Unless we just put any Johnny come lately at QB for a year and hope for the best. Everybody gets fired at the end of that scenario. What is the answer to improve the QB position on this team. The first steps are taken shore up the OL and get a top WR. Done and Done, hopefully. Dak’s contract has a no tag no trade clauses. They either resign him or he’s a UFA. |
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Post by Danke Schoen on Jul 3, 2024 12:21:21 GMT -5
Your reading comprehension is almost as laughable as your “big game QBs” list. I’m not surprised that these simple words confuse you. You're a DP fanboy! Man crushes are pathetic in any circumstance but at least you could have set the bar higher than 2-5 playoff choke artist... So instead of saying “my bad” you just double down on stupidity. Got it. |
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Post by vinnie on Jul 3, 2024 13:33:37 GMT -5
This is why I’ve said for awhile that if Dak actually hit FA, which I don’t think he will unless Trey Lance balls out, then I wouldn’t be surprised if Schoen made a dumbass move like signing Dak just to save his ass for a few more years. Dak would be a grossly overpaid safety net and nothing more. That’s also assuming Schoen could build a top 5-10 offensive line and surround him with lots of talent on both sides of the ball which is highly questionable as well. I’d say the majority of cows fans want to move on from Dak because he’ll be expensive and they also know he’ll never be the one to get them over the hump but some Giants fans are so desperate for relevancy that they would gladly accept a QB of a team who’s own fans don’t even want him. I’ll never say never but Dak getting the cowboys (or another stacked team) to to a Super Bowl is about as likely as DJ becoming a franchise QB. Would some you gamble that much money and a multiple year commitment on DJ becoming a franchise QB based on what you’ve seen so far? Didn’t think so why take a gamble with Dak as being the guy to lead the Giants to the ultimate prize based on what he’s done so far? and if our O line improves like that, DJ should look pretty good, and our running game should be excellent, so there would be no reason to break the bank on Dak. Correct. I expect DJ to be better but I’ve always called him Dak 2.0, Dak is DJ’s ceiling IMO. He’ll beat the bad teams, need an all star supporting cast and will never be the guy to get us to a Super Bowl. If we win 7-9 games, it wouldn’t surprise me to see DJ back in 2025 with another round of excuses. We’re not in a good QB situation this year and doubtful for next year. |
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Post by vinnie on Jul 3, 2024 13:36:14 GMT -5
I am in the camp. The only purpose for the season is to expand the trophy room. Dak is not winning that game. Neither is Cousins. We had our Kerry Collins already. History does not need to repeat itself. Phil and Eli both got better as the pressure increased. That is the type QB that gets it done. That's fine, but where is that next QB coming from. As of now Dak is the best QB coming along. There are supposedly no QB's coming out of the draft to save us even if were lucky enough to be in position to get a QB. Dak's contract is up at the end of the year. I think Dallas tags Dak at worse scenario so he probably isn't even freed up in 2025. He's probably signed by Dallas who else are they getting ? Who knows what were going to do, we cut DJ then what ? There's no college phenom coming out at the end of this year we might not even be able to cut DJ at the end of the year. Unless we just put any Johnny come lately at QB for a year and hope for the best. Everybody gets fired at the end of that scenario. What is the answer to improve the QB position on this team. The first steps are taken shore up the OL and get a top WR. Done and Done, hopefully. That’s a question for Schoen as to why he didn’t draft a QB this year. He made his bed and now he has to lay in it. Saw this coming from a mile away….unless DJ makes a 180. |
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Post by vinnie on Jul 3, 2024 13:40:40 GMT -5
Everything you said is correct. If fact, I would have given Prescott a bigger impact than you did, maybe between 1 or 2 games. Danke Schoen appears to believe that Prescott is the Giants key to the promised land. If the promised land is a one and done playoff appeared, he would be correct.... It’s an estimate, he could absolutely be worth a game a year over average replacement. IMO not two or more. Lol, I gave him more credit than both of you, I think I said 2-3 games max. Either way, the end results are the same. I don’t care about relevancy or playoff participation trophies unless the team has a legitimate shot to make a deep run and neither Dak nor DJ are the answers. |
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Post by McCherry on Jul 4, 2024 8:30:52 GMT -5
Then who is the 2025 free agent QB with a Super Bowl ring on their resume? All I’m saying is, if we’re talking about the quality of available QB’s in next years class, it’s Dak by a country mile. I don’t subscribe to the talk about QB’s that can only win certain games. Championships are a team contribution. If Matthew Stamford can win one, every QB can. Let’s just win some games before taking about Championships. With Dak we win games. . Spot on. To me it helps thinking like a GM sitting in front of your boss vs a fan who thinks cap space is as valuable as wins. Dak’s warts are well known. But you couldn’t be more right, he’s an enormous upgrade from any other cheap QB mentioned, and statistical hit/miss probability on 1st rd drafted QBs, is an enormous upgrade over Nix/McCarthy, but we don’t know that for sure yet. One of those two could turn out to be money. The real issue is there’s going to be a huge bidding war for him (I think) so at what # do you tap out if that’s the route you go. Bigger than the Dak question is, what performance level has you move on from DJ. That’s a more pressing question. Fans on the whole undervalue QB performance compared to GMs. The outcomes are pretty consistent. Fans think GMs are fools in their QB decisions (Cousins/Dak/Lawrence/DJ/Watson). I find it funny that’s fans who are banging the drum that QB’s like Prescott are only as good as the talent around them certainly aren’t using that logic with our own QB. |
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Post by McCherry on Jul 4, 2024 8:40:15 GMT -5
After what we’ve been through the past 6 years, who wouldn’t gladly accept playoff contention? What other QB wouldn’t be a stopgap and could you confidently say would take us further? Mike they will have 0 money to sign their own guys and at least fill holes through free agency. I'm not good with it build the roster and find your imperfect QB that can win Brock Purdy comes to mind he doesn't have prototypical size or arm strength but processes well and has the weapons and OL to do damage. This is all just speculation talk right now. I don’t know the exact financials but the Giants will have money if they cut ties with Jones. To your point, they don’t have a shot at getting Purdy, they do at Prescott. And finding that level of talent the way the Niners did is a million to one. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jul 4, 2024 10:27:21 GMT -5
That's fine, but where is that next QB coming from. As of now Dak is the best QB coming along. There are supposedly no QB's coming out of the draft to save us even if were lucky enough to be in position to get a QB. Dak's contract is up at the end of the year. I think Dallas tags Dak at worse scenario so he probably isn't even freed up in 2025. He's probably signed by Dallas who else are they getting ? Who knows what were going to do, we cut DJ then what ? There's no college phenom coming out at the end of this year we might not even be able to cut DJ at the end of the year. Unless we just put any Johnny come lately at QB for a year and hope for the best. Everybody gets fired at the end of that scenario. What is the answer to improve the QB position on this team. The first steps are taken shore up the OL and get a top WR. Done and Done, hopefully. That is the dilemma a quarter of the league is in every year. As far as the rest of your Questions. That's why the Giants are paying Joe Schoen, Brandon Brown, Kevin Abrams, Brian Daboll and Mike Kafka big bucks. Because they all think how to answers those questions to a qualitative solution. HaHa, Yes Tem, Your right, I'm just trying to help them.  |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jul 4, 2024 10:30:38 GMT -5
That's fine, but where is that next QB coming from. As of now Dak is the best QB coming along. There are supposedly no QB's coming out of the draft to save us even if were lucky enough to be in position to get a QB. Dak's contract is up at the end of the year. I think Dallas tags Dak at worse scenario so he probably isn't even freed up in 2025. He's probably signed by Dallas who else are they getting ? Who knows what were going to do, we cut DJ then what ? There's no college phenom coming out at the end of this year we might not even be able to cut DJ at the end of the year. Unless we just put any Johnny come lately at QB for a year and hope for the best. Everybody gets fired at the end of that scenario. What is the answer to improve the QB position on this team. The first steps are taken shore up the OL and get a top WR. Done and Done, hopefully. Dak’s contract has a no tag no trade clauses. They either resign him or he’s a UFA. Oh OK, Thanks. Well then I guess they sign him, what else are they going to do ? There's nobody better to play QB. |
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Post by vinnie on Jul 4, 2024 10:45:50 GMT -5
. Spot on. To me it helps thinking like a GM sitting in front of your boss vs a fan who thinks cap space is as valuable as wins. Dak’s warts are well known. But you couldn’t be more right, he’s an enormous upgrade from any other cheap QB mentioned, and statistical hit/miss probability on 1st rd drafted QBs, is an enormous upgrade over Nix/McCarthy, but we don’t know that for sure yet. One of those two could turn out to be money. The real issue is there’s going to be a huge bidding war for him (I think) so at what # do you tap out if that’s the route you go. Bigger than the Dak question is, what performance level has you move on from DJ. That’s a more pressing question. Fans on the whole undervalue QB performance compared to GMs. The outcomes are pretty consistent. Fans think GMs are fools in their QB decisions (Cousins/Dak/Lawrence/DJ/Watson). I find it funny that’s fans who are banging the drum that QB’s like Prescott are only as good as the talent around them certainly aren’t using that logic with our own QB. That’s because some Jones supporters act like he’s NEVER had opportunities. He’s been under pressure 100% of the time and none of it is on him, he’s never had open WR’s, he’s never had a chance to succeed, he has only ever had one WR to stare down. Has he had those chances as much as Prescott, no, not even close but when he has had chances he’s been consistently inconsistent. 5 f’in years and he’s never had opportunities to capitalize on? Ok. And before someone says “there’s not a single QB that capitalizes on every opportunity”…I’m well aware but 5+ years of seeing the same mistakes and same issues over and over again is enough to realize he most likely isn’t the answer. Just like 7-8 years of Dak having a fully loaded team and still choking is enough to know he most likely isn’t the answer. I don’t know what’s so hard to understand. |
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Post by vinnie on Jul 4, 2024 10:50:08 GMT -5
Dak’s contract has a no tag no trade clauses. They either resign him or he’s a UFA. Oh OK, Thanks. Well then I guess they sign him, what else are they going to do ? There's nobody better to play QB. As I said earlier in this thread, I seriously doubt Dak will hit FA, even if Jerry makes him the highest paid QB. I think Jerry knows he doesn’t have a lot of time left before he’s taking a dirt nap and I doubt he wants to risk starting over with a rookie. Dak is still Jerry’s best chance at winning a SB at his current age. |
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Post by Danke Schoen on Jul 4, 2024 10:51:53 GMT -5
I find it funny that’s fans who are banging the drum that QB’s like Prescott are only as good as the talent around them certainly aren’t using that logic with our own QB. That’s because some Jones supporters act like he’s NEVER had opportunities. He’s been under pressure 100% of the time and none of it is on him, he’s never had open WR’s, he’s never had a chance to succeed, he has only ever had one WR to stare down. Has he had those chances as much as Prescott, no, not even close but when he has had chances he’s been consistently inconsistent. 5 f’in years and he’s never had opportunities to capitalize on? Ok. And before someone says “there’s not a single QB that capitalizes on every opportunity”…I’m well aware but 5+ years of seeing the same mistakes and same issues over and over again is enough to realize he most likely isn’t the answer. Just like 7-8 years of Dak having a fully loaded team and still choking is enough to know he most likely isn’t the answer. I don’t know what’s so hard to understand. And if he does have protection, open receivers and still can’t read the defense and make the throw… “He’s been Carr’d.” |
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 4, 2024 11:27:46 GMT -5
That’s because some Jones supporters act like he’s NEVER had opportunities. He’s been under pressure 100% of the time and none of it is on him, he’s never had open WR’s, he’s never had a chance to succeed, he has only ever had one WR to stare down. Has he had those chances as much as Prescott, no, not even close but when he has had chances he’s been consistently inconsistent. 5 f’in years and he’s never had opportunities to capitalize on? Ok. And before someone says “there’s not a single QB that capitalizes on every opportunity”…I’m well aware but 5+ years of seeing the same mistakes and same issues over and over again is enough to realize he most likely isn’t the answer. Just like 7-8 years of Dak having a fully loaded team and still choking is enough to know he most likely isn’t the answer. I don’t know what’s so hard to understand. And if he does have protection, open receivers and still can’t read the defense and make the throw… “He’s been Carr’d.” Which based on all the Carr’s careers is becoming more and more obvious that it’s just an euphemism for “he’s not that good”. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 5, 2024 6:39:07 GMT -5
Mike they will have 0 money to sign their own guys and at least fill holes through free agency. I'm not good with it build the roster and find your imperfect QB that can win Brock Purdy comes to mind he doesn't have prototypical size or arm strength but processes well and has the weapons and OL to do damage. This is all just speculation talk right now. I don’t know the exact financials but the Giants will have money if they cut ties with Jones. To your point, they don’t have a shot at getting Purdy, they do at Prescott. And finding that level of talent the way the Niners did is a million to one. The point is he is average in every way except he is a good processor if he had the traits arm and size the Niners might be winning these super bowls he gives them a chance yes but he has a team that helps him OL weapons and defensively. |
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Post by Jomo on Jul 5, 2024 9:21:25 GMT -5
Feels like Craig Morton, the sequel to me.
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Post by SG88 on Jul 5, 2024 11:43:34 GMT -5
Considering the curb stomping that Dak has been giving to the Giants (we have not beaten that QB since his rookie year). I find it wild that there are so many people throwing so much shade at him lol
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Post by Speedman on Jul 5, 2024 12:17:53 GMT -5
Dallas beating the Giants doesn’t make Dak a good QB. Still no to Dak and Cousins.
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Post by vinnie on Jul 5, 2024 12:53:13 GMT -5
Considering the curb stomping that Dak has been giving to the Giants (we have not beaten that QB since his rookie year). I find it wild that there are so many people throwing so much shade at him lol Nothing spectacular about beating the worst team in the league over the past 8-9 years or whatever it is. That’s like praising Jones for beating Washington every year. Overall Giants defensive ranking by total yards given up 2016- 10th 2017- 31st 2018- 23rd 2019- 24th 2020- 12th 2021- 20th 2022- 24th 2023- 26th And as well all know, I’m sure the overall offensive stats are even worse. Hopefully Dak doesn’t even hit FA so we won’t have to worry about that chump. |
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