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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 2, 2024 4:48:51 GMT -5
For me it's a no
#1 to much money cap wrecked for years
#2 think he will be going into year 9 or 10
For me just not a good fit for more than just those reasons guessing talking heads are board and he is a really successful regular season QB.
If the Giants want to take anything from the Cowboys it should have been Will McClay 2 years ago he is the one who procures the talent that makes Daks Job easier.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jul 2, 2024 5:42:11 GMT -5
For me it's a no #1 to much money cap wrecked for years #2 think he will be going into year 9 or 10 For me just not a good fit for more than just those reasons guessing talking heads are board and he is a really successful regular season QB. If the Giants want to take anything from the Cowboys it should have been Will McClay 2 years ago he is the one who procures the talent that makes Daks Job easier. I hope like hell that we totally ignore the media on that one. Would be an unmitigated disaster. I'd stay as far away as possible. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 2, 2024 6:01:26 GMT -5
For me it's a no #1 to much money cap wrecked for years #2 think he will be going into year 9 or 10 For me just not a good fit for more than just those reasons guessing talking heads are board and he is a really successful regular season QB. If the Giants want to take anything from the Cowboys it should have been Will McClay 2 years ago he is the one who procures the talent that makes Daks Job easier. I hope like hell that we totally ignore the media on that one. Would be an unmitigated disaster. I'd stay as far away as possible. I'm 100% with you on that. |
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Post by TEM on Jul 2, 2024 6:05:46 GMT -5
Dak could not win with Lamb Cooks and Gallop. A productive TE in Ferguson. A top 10 Offense and Defense.
If he can't win it all with that. He isn't winning anywhere.
He is an INT waiting to happen in the Playoffs. That loss to GB was all him
This is Dak in a nutshell
In the regular season 1 INT for every 52 attempts.
In the post season 1 INT for every 40 attempts.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 2, 2024 6:19:41 GMT -5
"yeahhhh.....here we goooooo"..
**** THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by inthezone on Jul 2, 2024 6:29:33 GMT -5
It could be Cousins in a year or two depending how the team shapes up.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jul 2, 2024 6:34:44 GMT -5
the cost of signing him will be probibitively high. If he's willing to accept a lower $$ value contract, I think the Pokes resign him. I don't consider him a top 5 guy, so would not want to pay that price. The impact on the cap would be devistating. We think the DJ contract is bad...
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Post by bavarobeast on Jul 2, 2024 6:58:01 GMT -5
The Giants have made some dumb moves but I don’t see them being dumb enough to pay an over priced mediocre QB in the sunset of his career.
It ain’t happening.
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Post by vinnie on Jul 2, 2024 7:18:36 GMT -5
The Giants have made some dumb moves but I don’t see them being dumb enough to pay an over priced mediocre QB in the sunset of his career. It ain’t happening. I would hope not but I said this could happen months ago, or Cousins, and although I’m kinda sure Dak won’t reach FA it could happen. Hypothetically, if he does and Jones clearly isn’t the answer and we don’t have a high enough draft pick, I would never underestimate a desperate GM doing something stupid to save his job. If it works out, they keep their job and if not, it’s not their problem anymore. Reese went on a spending spree to try and save his, as did DG. If Schoen knows he has one last year or two and needs a QB, I wouldn’t put it past him. That’s why I think he potentially backed himself into a corner this year by not taking a QB in this last draft. For those who say “you never force a QB pick”, I say bullshit. Pretty sure Sean Payton did it with Nix and it happens all the time, GM’s just hope they get lucky or got it right. Watch what happens if DJ sucks but we still end up drafting outside of the top 10. Schoen will mortgage the future to move up for someone who he may not even like that much, he may be “forced” to pick whichever QB’s are available when he drafts, or he may be “forced” to overpay for a FA. If this last draft happened after this year, we still picked 6th overall, and DJ wasn’t good then I almost guarantee Schoen would have taken one of the remaining QB’s by “force”. |
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Post by jb456 on Jul 2, 2024 7:33:25 GMT -5
For me it's a no #1 to much money cap wrecked for years #2 think he will be going into year 9 or 10 For me just not a good fit for more than just those reasons guessing talking heads are board and he is a really successful regular season QB. If the Giants want to take anything from the Cowboys it should have been Will McClay 2 years ago he is the one who procures the talent that makes Daks Job easier. Dak couldn't get it done with teams that had great defenses and top 5 Olines. That's a hard pass on that one.... |
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Post by TEM on Jul 2, 2024 8:11:04 GMT -5
It could be Cousins in a year or two depending how the team shapes up. Yeah, lets sign a 37-year-old QB who never won anything. That will surely put us over the edge. Dak is not a winner. Cousins is a downgrade to him. |
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Post by shocknaweny on Jul 2, 2024 8:35:15 GMT -5
No thanks to Dak that's a terrible idea
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Post by cdngfan on Jul 2, 2024 8:35:34 GMT -5
The path to finding a franchise changing QB is becoming extremely narrow.
You have to be the worst or 2nd worst team in the league in a year with great QBs in the draft.
You have to beat the odds of 1st rd QBs not getting a resign from their drafting team (about 60% don’t).
Trading into the top 3 was rare already, I think it’s going to be even more rare in the future.
There’s an obvious case to be made for drafting a QB in 23’ for the Giants. But I gotta remind you guys that drafting a player we need gets you ZERO high fives if he doesn’t work out. No one is giving Joe any credit for drafting Neal when we needed an RT.
I don’t hate Dak as much as most of you because I think he turns a decent roaster into a playoff lock overnight. He just can’t win in the playoffs.
Unless we win 3 games this year, our next QB is going to have some big flaw. Almost all of them do. It probably makes more sense to mention which huge flaw you’re willing to tolerate, because you’re not going to find acquire a great QB other than being lucky or horrible. DJ’s replacement is going to have something about him you hate.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 2, 2024 8:54:15 GMT -5
The Giants have made some dumb moves but I don’t see them being dumb enough to pay an over priced mediocre QB in the sunset of his career. It ain’t happening. Apparently the Jones contract has made the Giants the default destination for every writer speculating about overpaying middlin’ QBs. |
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Post by McCherry on Jul 2, 2024 9:02:04 GMT -5
The path to finding a franchise changing QB is becoming extremely narrow. You have to be the worst or 2nd worst team in the league in a year with great QBs in the draft. You have to beat the odds of 1st rd QBs not getting a resign from their drafting team (about 60% don’t). Trading into the top 3 was rare already, I think it’s going to be even more rare in the future. There’s an obvious case to be made for drafting a QB in 23’ for the Giants. But I gotta remind you guys that drafting a player we need gets you ZERO high fives if he doesn’t work out. No one is giving Joe any credit for drafting Neal when we needed an RT. I don’t hate Dak as much as most of you because I think he turns a decent roaster into a playoff lock overnight. He just can’t win in the playoffs. Unless we win 3 games this year, our next QB is going to have some big flaw. Almost all of them do. It probably makes more sense to mention which huge flaw you’re willing to tolerate, because you’re not going to find acquire a great QB other than being lucky or horrible. DJ’s replacement is going to have something about him you hate. I don't know what some people think about getting QB's, they don't grow on trees... I would take Dak Prescott in a nanosecond. Cant win with him? All he's ever done is win. He has one negative and that's the team he plays for. |
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Post by DJones19 on Jul 2, 2024 9:05:39 GMT -5
I heard only wants to get paid 60 million per year.
What a bargain. Even better than the Jones contract!
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Post by cdngfan on Jul 2, 2024 9:15:24 GMT -5
The path to finding a franchise changing QB is becoming extremely narrow. You have to be the worst or 2nd worst team in the league in a year with great QBs in the draft. You have to beat the odds of 1st rd QBs not getting a resign from their drafting team (about 60% don’t). Trading into the top 3 was rare already, I think it’s going to be even more rare in the future. There’s an obvious case to be made for drafting a QB in 23’ for the Giants. But I gotta remind you guys that drafting a player we need gets you ZERO high fives if he doesn’t work out. No one is giving Joe any credit for drafting Neal when we needed an RT. I don’t hate Dak as much as most of you because I think he turns a decent roaster into a playoff lock overnight. He just can’t win in the playoffs. Unless we win 3 games this year, our next QB is going to have some big flaw. Almost all of them do. It probably makes more sense to mention which huge flaw you’re willing to tolerate, because you’re not going to find acquire a great QB other than being lucky or horrible. DJ’s replacement is going to have something about him you hate. I don't know what some people think about getting QB's, they don't grow on trees... I would take Dak Prescott in a nanosecond. Cant win with him? All he's ever done is win. He has one negative and that's the team he plays for. it’s easy to have opinions on this stuff when you’re not the one facing a firing squad if you’re wrong. Consistently, QBs with flaws are getting way more money than what fans think they deserve. That consistency shows a gap in how teams view QB play and how fans do. If Dak hits the open market he’ll get $60 a year. Easy. Probably more if someone can stomach a 5 year deal. Realistically we could develop into one of those teams where analysts say “they have all the parts, they’re just missing a QB”. |
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Post by McCherry on Jul 2, 2024 9:37:34 GMT -5
I don't know what some people think about getting QB's, they don't grow on trees... I would take Dak Prescott in a nanosecond. Cant win with him? All he's ever done is win. He has one negative and that's the team he plays for. it’s easy to have opinions on this stuff when you’re not the one facing a firing squad if you’re wrong. Consistently, QBs with flaws are getting way more money than what fans think they deserve. That consistency shows a gap in how teams view QB play and how fans do. If Dak hits the open market he’ll get $60 a year. Easy. Probably more if someone can stomach a 5 year deal. Realistically we could develop into one of those teams where analysts say “they have all the parts, they’re just missing a QB”. I don't know what the other options are, but you can do much worse than Prescott. If we bomb this year with Jones, money is my last concern. We're going to spend it one way or another if we want a QB. I never worry about how Billionaires spend their money, if the Giants decide he's the guy, they will figure it out. Based on what Jones is making, Dak would be a bargain at that rate. I completely agree with your last statement. And I think fans would get over the Zak - Cowboy thing real fast. |
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Post by jb456 on Jul 2, 2024 10:26:44 GMT -5
Dak isn't a big game QB. Who cares if he can out up numbers when he crumbles when its all on the line?
Anyone who wants Dak can't even be a Giants fan. We have seen this guy fail and fail and fail some more in the playoffs. He loses games that can be won, it's not that the Cowboys were being outclassed, he doesn't have it and never will....
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Post by inthezone on Jul 2, 2024 10:57:13 GMT -5
It could be Cousins in a year or two depending how the team shapes up. Yeah, lets sign a 37-year-old QB who never won anything. That will surely put us over the edge. Dak is not a winner. Cousins is a downgrade to him. I'm not saying it's ideal but I feel that's how it's going to play out after Jones plays himself out of the Giants gig this season. I'll rather have Cousins over Dak any day and twice on Sundays. |
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Post by TEM on Jul 2, 2024 10:59:55 GMT -5
Yeah, lets sign a 37-year-old QB who never won anything. That will surely put us over the edge. Dak is not a winner. Cousins is a downgrade to him. I'm not saying it's ideal but I feel that's how it's going to play out after Jones plays himself out of the Giants gig this season. I'll rather have Cousins over Dak any day and twice on Sundays. He sucks. You wanted to get fired as a GM. Sign a loser 37-year-old as your starting QB. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 2, 2024 11:01:48 GMT -5
The path to finding a franchise changing QB is becoming extremely narrow. You have to be the worst or 2nd worst team in the league in a year with great QBs in the draft. You have to beat the odds of 1st rd QBs not getting a resign from their drafting team (about 60% don’t). Trading into the top 3 was rare already, I think it’s going to be even more rare in the future. There’s an obvious case to be made for drafting a QB in 23’ for the Giants. But I gotta remind you guys that drafting a player we need gets you ZERO high fives if he doesn’t work out. No one is giving Joe any credit for drafting Neal when we needed an RT. I don’t hate Dak as much as most of you because I think he turns a decent roaster into a playoff lock overnight. He just can’t win in the playoffs. Unless we win 3 games this year, our next QB is going to have some big flaw. Almost all of them do. It probably makes more sense to mention which huge flaw you’re willing to tolerate, because you’re not going to find acquire a great QB other than being lucky or horrible. DJ’s replacement is going to have something about him you hate. I don't know what some people think about getting QB's, they don't grow on trees... I would take Dak Prescott in a nanosecond. Cant win with him? All he's ever done is win. He has one negative and that's the team he plays for. The Giants can get a trailer QB for far less money. There’s a good reason why a secondary pay tier is finally starting to emerge in the QB market. |
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Post by inthezone on Jul 2, 2024 11:05:08 GMT -5
I'm not saying it's ideal but I feel that's how it's going to play out after Jones plays himself out of the Giants gig this season. I'll rather have Cousins over Dak any day and twice on Sundays. He sucks. You wanted to get fired as a GM. Sign a loser 37-year-old as your starting QB. Cool we disagree. Please continue to respond just to make sure your first two responses were missed!  |
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Post by McCherry on Jul 2, 2024 11:13:06 GMT -5
I don't know what some people think about getting QB's, they don't grow on trees... I would take Dak Prescott in a nanosecond. Cant win with him? All he's ever done is win. He has one negative and that's the team he plays for. The Giants can get a trailer QB for far less money. There’s a good reason why a secondary pay tier is finally starting to emerge in the QB market. Don't say Cousins, who has a worse playoff record. And again, money shouldn't be the primary factor in speculation about a potential QB in 2025. Certainly not after paying Jones. If the Jones bombs in 2024, I don't think that this staff can afford to bargain shop. |
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Post by jb456 on Jul 2, 2024 11:19:37 GMT -5
The Giants can get a trailer QB for far less money. There’s a good reason why a secondary pay tier is finally starting to emerge in the QB market. Don't say Cousins, who has a worse playoff record. And again, money shouldn't be the primary factor in speculation about a potential QB in 2025. Certainly not after paying Jones. If the Jones bombs in 2024, I don't think that this staff can afford to bargain shop. They are both losers and will never get a ring. What would you rather have? A $45M turd or a $60M turd? |
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Post by dream8 on Jul 2, 2024 11:34:57 GMT -5
I'm not gonna sit here and say I'd be 100% on board with paying Dak 60 a year but some of the takes on here calling him mediocre are wild.
I get we're all Giants fans who hate Dallas but the guy is one of the 7 or 8 best QBs in the game.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jul 2, 2024 11:36:45 GMT -5
Dak could not win with Lamb Cooks and Gallop. A productive TE in Ferguson. A top 10 Offense and Defense. If he can't win it all with that. He isn't winning anywhere. He is an INT waiting to happen in the Playoffs. That loss to GB was all him This is Dak in a nutshell In the regular season 1 INT for every 52 attempts. In the post season 1 INT for every 40 attempts. Very good points Tem, But I will say I'm not totally against it I believe Dak would make our offense better. I don't know what better options we have. I have no confidence in Jones. None ! But I'm not holding a parade for Dak either, I'm willing to give him up to 50 mil a year hopefully less absolutely no more than 50 mil a year or let him walk. It might be a good business decision. That is the going price of a top veteran starting QB in todays NFL. The top guys are going to make 60 mil a year coming up. Dak could be a top 10 NFL QB. Definitely a top 15. If you want a decent starter that's the price of doing business. It's basically 1 rung above the price were paying Jones. And in retrospect 40 mil a year today for Jones a starting vet QB (6 years) is not bad. It's just that Jones is bad is why people are crying about the money. But if Jones was competent the deal would be fine to darn good. 40 mil a year with 2 years to go after this year. Having a competent QB under that contract would be sweet. Now a top rookie QB of course would be half that salary and so much better for the team. Bottom line would Dak improve the team or not ? Would you rather have DJ as your QB ? Who else is coming along ? |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jul 2, 2024 11:46:07 GMT -5
Don't say Cousins, who has a worse playoff record. And again, money shouldn't be the primary factor in speculation about a potential QB in 2025. Certainly not after paying Jones. If the Jones bombs in 2024, I don't think that this staff can afford to bargain shop. They are both losers and will never get a ring. What would you rather have? A $45M turd or a $60M turd? jb at this point in time these are our only hypothetical choices, do you see anyone else possible ? Do you think Dak would make us better ? As far as a ring this team is as far from a ring as Pluto is from the Sun. (Thought Kruunch might like that one) |
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Post by inthezone on Jul 2, 2024 11:47:27 GMT -5
Don't say Cousins, who has a worse playoff record. And again, money shouldn't be the primary factor in speculation about a potential QB in 2025. Certainly not after paying Jones. If the Jones bombs in 2024, I don't think that this staff can afford to bargain shop. They are both losers and will never get a ring. What would you rather have? A $45M turd or a $60M turd? The same has been said about Stafford and then he won a SB. Cousins comes with a short contract so is more a place holder where Dak will get 4 years minimum. |
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Post by jb456 on Jul 2, 2024 11:51:46 GMT -5
They are both losers and will never get a ring. What would you rather have? A $45M turd or a $60M turd? jb at this point in time these are our only hypothetical choices, do you see anyone else possible ? Do you think Dak would make us better ? As far as a ring this team is as far from a ring as Pluto is from the Sun. (Thought Kruunch might like that one) There isn't a point in shelling out huge money for loser QB's that are past their prime. They couldn't even get it done when they were in their prime. We aren't even talking about an Aaron Rodgers scenario. This is worse than an AR since those losers don't even know what winning feels like. A move like this would make the Giants worse than the Jets. At least the Jets threw money at a winner. |
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