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Post by Roosevelt on May 11, 2020 8:57:18 GMT -5
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Post by GameTime on May 11, 2020 9:45:50 GMT -5
doesnt matter what the "people" think. Making a decision about the big sporting events and rosters of 50+ has to be calculated carefully
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Post by GameTime on May 11, 2020 10:31:16 GMT -5
doesnt matter what the "people" think. Making a decision about the big sporting events and rosters of 50+ has to be calculated carefully I agree with you! Yet I do believe it's going to start to turn becuase of what the people think and want. That video is a good example of people just not giving a crap anymore and for what , a coffee. its not the coffee... its the whole thing. Peeps are getting fed up. Other parts of the country can open up in steps IMO NY/NJ not yet
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Post by GameTime on May 11, 2020 10:51:17 GMT -5
its not the coffee... its the whole thing. Peeps are getting fed up. Other parts of the country can open up in steps IMO NY/NJ not yet Yeah ,not now but I do believe that by August the pressure will be to have things back up and running as much as normal as possible , sports also. I hope its before then......if feasible
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Post by TCHOF on May 11, 2020 11:05:29 GMT -5
Yeah ,not now but I do believe that by August the pressure will be to have things back up and running as much as normal as possible , sports also. I hope its before then......if feasible Once the weather gets warmer, people are not going to stand for shelter-in-place any more. Imagine empty NYC streets on a 70 degree day? Me neither ….
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Post by GameTime on May 11, 2020 11:16:17 GMT -5
I hope its before then......if feasible Once the weather gets warmer, people are not going to stand for shelter-in-place any more. Imagine empty NYC streets on a 70 degree day? Me neither …. and then many may be forced inside because they are sick...( or hopefully not) certainly a crazy time.
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Post by Delicreep on May 11, 2020 15:24:24 GMT -5
I agree with you! Yet I do believe it's going to start to turn becuase of what the people think and want. That video is a good example of people just not giving a crap anymore and for what , a coffee. its not the coffee... its the whole thing. Peeps are getting fed up. Other parts of the country can open up in steps IMO NY/NJ not yet I live in NY...upstate NY. Cuomo announced today that my region has hit all 7 requirements to proceed with the phased reopening starting this Friday. 2 Other regions did as well.
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Post by Morehead State on May 11, 2020 15:26:51 GMT -5
Once the weather gets warmer, people are not going to stand for shelter-in-place any more. Imagine empty NYC streets on a 70 degree day? Me neither …. and then many may be forced inside because they are sick...( or hopefully not) certainly a crazy time. Wanna make people sick? Require that they stay inside for months.
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Post by GameTime on May 12, 2020 5:08:16 GMT -5
and then many may be forced inside because they are sick...( or hopefully not) certainly a crazy time. Wanna make people sick? Require that they stay inside for months.
there is a line between staying in and staying safe and having your life back. I really dont think isolating in your home is going to drop your immune response much at all if any. I do think there should have been different methods for depending on the the severity of the outbreak .
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Post by Morehead State on May 12, 2020 8:41:27 GMT -5
Wanna make people sick? Require that they stay inside for months.
there is a line between staying in and staying safe and having your life back. I really dont think isolating in your home is going to drop your immune response much at all if any. I do think there should have been different methods for depending on the the severity of the outbreak . Do you know that cancer diagnoses are down 66% since the shut down? That is about 150M additional people with cancer who don't know it and aren't getting treatment. Did you know that there is more than a 50% drop in women getting pap smears?
The list of preventative medicine NOT being done is too long to list. And what about vitamin D deficit?
You think staying home is "safe". ......... I disagree.
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Post by GameTime on May 12, 2020 9:18:26 GMT -5
there is a line between staying in and staying safe and having your life back. I really dont think isolating in your home is going to drop your immune response much at all if any. I do think there should have been different methods for depending on the the severity of the outbreak . Do you know that cancer diagnoses are down 66% since the shut down? That is about 150M additional people with cancer who don't know it and aren't getting treatment. Did you know that there is more than a 50% drop in women getting pap smears?
The list of preventative medicine NOT being done is too long to list. And what about vitamin D deficit?
You think staying home is "safe". ......... I disagree.
a couple of months....not an issue at all as a way of life of course not.
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Post by Morehead State on May 12, 2020 9:50:43 GMT -5
Do you know that cancer diagnoses are down 66% since the shut down? That is about 150M additional people with cancer who don't know it and aren't getting treatment. Did you know that there is more than a 50% drop in women getting pap smears?
The list of preventative medicine NOT being done is too long to list. And what about vitamin D deficit?
You think staying home is "safe". ......... I disagree.
a couple of months....not an issue at all as a way of life of course not. Do you think they are advocating a "couple of months" in the NY/NY area? They will criticize any opening for many, many months.
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Post by TCHOF on May 12, 2020 9:52:49 GMT -5
a couple of months....not an issue at all as a way of life of course not. Do you think they are advocating a "couple of months" in the NY/NY area? They will criticize any opening for many, many months. The problem with the critics of re-opening now is that they don't seem to be offering an alternate re-opening schedule. They seem to not want to re-open until all cases of COVID-19 disappear, which is obviously not realistic.
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Post by GameTime on May 12, 2020 9:53:13 GMT -5
a couple of months....not an issue at all as a way of life of course not. Do you think they are advocating a "couple of months" in the NY/NY area? They will criticize any opening for many, many months. they will start opening things up in the next two weeks or less is my guess. Of course with limits. The numbers of deaths are dropping dramatically from what it being reported.
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Post by Morehead State on May 12, 2020 9:57:26 GMT -5
Do you think they are advocating a "couple of months" in the NY/NY area? They will criticize any opening for many, many months. they will start opening things up in the next two weeks or less is my guess. Of course with limits. The numbers of deaths are dropping dramatically from what it being reported. I guess you would know better than me since I assume you live in the area. I understand that many areas like NYC and LI are not close to any real opening up.
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Post by GameTime on May 12, 2020 10:01:42 GMT -5
they will start opening things up in the next two weeks or less is my guess. Of course with limits. The numbers of deaths are dropping dramatically from what it being reported. I guess you would know better than me since I assume you live in the area. I understand that many areas like NYC and LI are not close to any real opening up.
actually I only know whats being reported. I am not out and about in NYC. I do know peeps are getting antsy to say the least. I am for sure but still doing what is being asked and in NO WAY do I feel like my civil rights/liberties are being abused. Sometimes you need to do things to help your neighbor. When they start to open things up there will be spikes in cases which seems normal. Wither every decision like this there are risk assessments. How those assessments are viewed and used will be debated.
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Post by Morehead State on May 12, 2020 10:05:38 GMT -5
I guess you would know better than me since I assume you live in the area. I understand that many areas like NYC and LI are not close to any real opening up.
actually I only know whats being reported. I am not out and about in NYC. I do know peeps are getting antsy to say the least. I am for sure but still doing what is being asked and in NO WAY do I feel like my civil rights/liberties are being abused. Sometimes you need to do things to help your neighbor. When they start to open things up there will be spikes in cases which seems normal. Wither every decision like this there are risk assessments. How those assessments are viewed and used will be debated. I'm saying that the "risk" involved in staying home may very well be greater. Not just economically either. Public health is dramatically compromised with a population locked in their homes. I cited a few examples. There are many, many more.
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Post by GameTime on May 12, 2020 10:10:13 GMT -5
actually I only know whats being reported. I am not out and about in NYC. I do know peeps are getting antsy to say the least. I am for sure but still doing what is being asked and in NO WAY do I feel like my civil rights/liberties are being abused. Sometimes you need to do things to help your neighbor. When they start to open things up there will be spikes in cases which seems normal. Wither every decision like this there are risk assessments. How those assessments are viewed and used will be debated. I'm saying that the "risk" involved in staying home may very well be greater. Not just economically either. Public health is dramatically compromised with a population locked in their homes. I cited a few examples. There are many, many more.
I agree.....if this starts to turn into another two months or so.
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Post by Morehead State on May 12, 2020 10:11:57 GMT -5
I'm saying that the "risk" involved in staying home may very well be greater. Not just economically either. Public health is dramatically compromised with a population locked in their homes. I cited a few examples. There are many, many more.
I agree.....if this starts to turn into another two months or so. The risk started the first week. It's been essentially two months so far. The public health consequences are already tremendous.
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Post by DandyDon on May 12, 2020 10:16:12 GMT -5
Do you think they are advocating a "couple of months" in the NY/NY area? They will criticize any opening for many, many months. The problem with the critics of re-opening now is that they don't seem to be offering an alternate re-opening schedule. They seem to not want to re-open until all cases of COVID-19 disappear, which is obviously not realistic. I dont think that is true. What they are trying to avoid is an overwhelmed medical system. During the past couple months in NYC they were having to store corpses in refrigerated trucks and digging mass graves in parks. And some things are slowly re-opening. NJ parks and golf courses opened last week and I believe some beaches also. The place I get my hair cut sent an email detailing the steps they would take when they re-open, which seems to indicate they expect it soon. It going to be different in different places. I live in Howell NJ (near Freehold) which is very different than Bergen county. Here there is a lot of traffic on the roads (not sure where everyone is going though).
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Post by Delicreep on May 12, 2020 10:47:03 GMT -5
there is a line between staying in and staying safe and having your life back. I really dont think isolating in your home is going to drop your immune response much at all if any. I do think there should have been different methods for depending on the the severity of the outbreak . Do you know that cancer diagnoses are down 66% since the shut down? That is about 150M additional people with cancer who don't know it and aren't getting treatment. Did you know that there is more than a 50% drop in women getting pap smears?
The list of preventative medicine NOT being done is too long to list. And what about vitamin D deficit?
You think staying home is "safe". ......... I disagree.
So I think there is some confusion in all of this. I live in NY. My Dr's office is open. I cancelled my annual physical because I choose not to go in to an office where I might be exposed to COVID. I am in excellent health, and am not worried about a few month delay. Could I have made a fatal mistake? Sure, but I stand by my choice. It is my understanding that any and every test could have been run. My wife's grandfather got stitches, but passed on the CAT scan at the hospital. I did go to my podiatrist for a routine procedure - I kept that one for a variety of reasons, including I have never seen more than one person in the waiting room! My dentist is closed, but I understand they are open for emergencies (current patients only) Soooo...I may well turn out to be one of those people who had a cancer diagnosed missed because I elected to not keep an appointment, but the option was there. Do I think that there will be many people who didn't get a diagnosis because they also elected not to go to a Dr? Absolutely, and it will prove devastating to many. Funny seeing Don's Avatar - who once described skipping going to the DR a tactical error after being diagnosed with terminal cancer.
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Post by GameTime on May 12, 2020 11:00:41 GMT -5
I agree.....if this starts to turn into another two months or so. The risk started the first week. It's been essentially two months so far. The public health consequences are already tremendous.
80K deaths so far with mitigation. You think there would be less if we just went about our business and never tried to mitigate?
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Post by TCHOF on May 12, 2020 11:26:24 GMT -5
The problem with the critics of re-opening now is that they don't seem to be offering an alternate re-opening schedule. They seem to not want to re-open until all cases of COVID-19 disappear, which is obviously not realistic. I dont think that is true. What they are trying to avoid is an overwhelmed medical system. During the past couple months in NYC they were having to store corpses in refrigerated trucks and digging mass graves in parks. And some things are slowly re-opening. NJ parks and golf courses opened last week and I believe some beaches also. The place I get my hair cut sent an email detailing the steps they would take when they re-open, which seems to indicate they expect it soon. It going to be different in different places. I live in Howell NJ (near Freehold) which is very different than Bergen county. Here there is a lot of traffic on the roads (not sure where everyone is going though). I get the idea of avoiding an overwhelmed medical system. My point is that I haven't seen anyone who is shitting on the idea of beginning the re-opening process now (slowly) offer an alternative timeline or a different plan for reopening that makes sense.
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Post by Nite on May 12, 2020 11:27:16 GMT -5
and then many may be forced inside because they are sick...( or hopefully not) certainly a crazy time. Wanna make people sick? Require that they stay inside for months.
Yep.. Keeping people inside whilst allowing them to go to the market (and Target, Walmart cuz they iz special) catching the bug there, coming back home and infecting the rest of the household..
Brilliant.. .. couldn't think of a better way to spread the virus myself..
hey If you really wanna do it the 'right' way do what commie China did. Seal up the peeps indoors, don't let out until the bug passes and then let em out..So what if a few hund (thousand) people die.. They don;t have the virus there and that what counts.. People are fungible
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Post by Delicreep on May 12, 2020 11:33:39 GMT -5
I dont think that is true. What they are trying to avoid is an overwhelmed medical system. During the past couple months in NYC they were having to store corpses in refrigerated trucks and digging mass graves in parks. And some things are slowly re-opening. NJ parks and golf courses opened last week and I believe some beaches also. The place I get my hair cut sent an email detailing the steps they would take when they re-open, which seems to indicate they expect it soon. It going to be different in different places. I live in Howell NJ (near Freehold) which is very different than Bergen county. Here there is a lot of traffic on the roads (not sure where everyone is going though). I get the idea of avoiding an overwhelmed medical system. My point is that I haven't seen anyone who is shitting on the idea of beginning the re-opening process now (slowly) offer an alternative timeline or a different plan for reopening that makes sense. My sense is that a percentage of the population is simply not going to reopen when we reopen - call it what you will; fear, justifiable concern...whatever. Be interesting to see how that get's handled.
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Post by Morehead State on May 12, 2020 11:57:27 GMT -5
The risk started the first week. It's been essentially two months so far. The public health consequences are already tremendous.
80K deaths so far with mitigation. You think there would be less if we just went about our business and never tried to mitigate? I have no way of knowing one way or the other. What I'm saying is that there are plenty of health risks created by making people stay in their homes.
I've said it before. I fear the cure will be worse than the disease. We may conquer Covid-19 and destroy ourselves in the process.
The operation was a success but the country died.
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Post by Waybackfan on May 12, 2020 12:08:08 GMT -5
What's Fauci's prediction of the NYG won/loss next season?
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Post by TCHOF on May 12, 2020 12:32:17 GMT -5
I get the idea of avoiding an overwhelmed medical system. My point is that I haven't seen anyone who is shitting on the idea of beginning the re-opening process now (slowly) offer an alternative timeline or a different plan for reopening that makes sense. My sense is that a percentage of the population is simply not going to reopen when we reopen - call it what you will; fear, justifiable concern...whatever. Be interesting to see how that get's handled. Agreed. For instance, it will be a while before I go to a restaurant, no matter when they re-open
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Post by Delicreep on May 12, 2020 12:37:05 GMT -5
My sense is that a percentage of the population is simply not going to reopen when we reopen - call it what you will; fear, justifiable concern...whatever. Be interesting to see how that get's handled. Agreed. For instance, it will be a while before I go to a restaurant, no matter when they re-open Same for me...and a movie theater.
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Post by Sarcasman on May 12, 2020 13:09:54 GMT -5
they will start opening things up in the next two weeks or less is my guess. Of course with limits. The numbers of deaths are dropping dramatically from what it being reported. I guess you would know better than me since I assume you live in the area. I understand that many areas like NYC and LI are not close to any real opening up.
I think in the next two weeks most of NY with the exception of NYC will re-open. forward.ny.gov/regional-monitoring-dashboard
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