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Post by Roosevelt on May 15, 2020 21:30:04 GMT -5
DeAndre Baker’s red flags sparked Giants draft ‘battle’
DeAndre Baker wasn’t the only one gambling.
The Giants ignored red flags uncovered in scouting Baker and placed a bet on talent by selecting the cornerback in the first round of the 2019 NFL Draft despite an organizational split on whether he was worth the risk.
“There was a battle in our building on whether we were going to take DeAndre or not,”
a source privy to the Giants’ draft thinking told The Post, “because the story was he had to have his a– kicked every day to work hard at Georgia — to even go to practice. We knew that and we still drafted him, and from Day 1 it was like taking a guy in the
first round that you had to teach nearly everything to.”
General manager Dave Gettleman’s unexplained break from prioritizing clean character could cost the Giants dearly on the depth chart — where they have no suitable replacement — and in the bank (Baker signed a four-year, $10.2 million contract).
Police in Florida issued an arrest warrant Thursday for Baker, 22, on four counts of armed robbery with a firearm and four counts of aggravated assault.
Baker and Seahawks cornerback Quinton Dunbar — charged with four counts of armed robbery with a firearm — allegedly lost $70,000 gambling earlier in the week before they and a masked accomplice stole $12,000 in cash and an estimated $61,000 in watches at gunpoint during another party with more gambling, witnesses said in a police affidavit.
The allegations are a long and difficult-to-foresee leap from the whispers about motivation, work ethic, commitment and responsibility that followed Baker before the draft — especially after his disappointing NFL Scouting Combine performance, both in drills and disengaged interviews — and caused multiple teams to slide him down their boards.
The Giants traded second-, fourth- and fifth-round picks to move up seven spots from No. 37 to No. 30 to make Baker the first cornerback off the board. Others in the building preferred Temple’s Rock Ya-Sin (Colts), Central Michigan’s Sean Murphy-Bunting (Buccaneers) and LSU’s Greedy Williams (Browns).
Those three are among seven second-round cornerbacks who were drafted after Baker, though Gettleman had ruled out Williams, the source said. Given the depth at the position, it was the kind of bold trade where a team must be sure one option is clear-cut above the rest.
“This is a bad look for the Giants,” one NFL scout said when asked what the Giants missed.
Baker, who allowed one touchdown pass in his final three years at Georgia, struggled handling the adversity of a poor start to his rookie season. He didn’t start Week 1, was torched in Week 2 and benched multiple times.
Baker routinely had difficulty staying awake in meetings and the previous Giants coaching staff took a “bad cop, bad cop” firm hand behind the scenes, the source said. The response was more tuning out instruction — Baker admitted he needed to spend more time in his playbook after a Week 10 loss to the Cowboys — than disrespect.
Baker did not participate in the Giants’ voluntary minicamp this week, according to The Athletic.
“You’d take him off his film,” a league source said. “But there were too many red flags. It felt like New York was a bad spot for him, anyway.”
Darryl Elmore, who coached Baker in track at Northwestern High School in Miami told The Post he was very surprised to hear of the allegations. Despite growing up in a neighborhood where violence is prevalent, Baker “wasn’t involved in any of that” and was the type of teenager a coach doesn’t worry about, Elmore said.
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Post by Morehead State on May 15, 2020 21:35:57 GMT -5
This is obviously interesting....if true.
Doesn't paint Dave in the most positive light.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on May 15, 2020 21:38:45 GMT -5
My real problem here is why would you take him when your staff is a bunch of Nancies.
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Post by GameTime on May 15, 2020 21:43:57 GMT -5
Why wasn’t this a big deal after he was drafted.?
Who’s the source?
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Post by TCHOF on May 15, 2020 21:49:25 GMT -5
Why wasn’t this a big deal after he was drafted.? Who’s the source? Fake news!
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Post by TCHOF on May 15, 2020 21:51:15 GMT -5
How kud Dave no? He dint have a kristil bowl!
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Post by DandyDon on May 15, 2020 21:54:13 GMT -5
Why wasn’t this a big deal after he was drafted.? Who’s the source? It's a Monday morning QB source. No one predicted this, so they have to invent it.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 15, 2020 22:00:16 GMT -5
Why wasn’t this a big deal after he was drafted.? Who’s the source? A source maybe one of the guys they just got fired lol Look it's a bust they all have them lucky he had 2 other 1st rounders in that draft that seem to be fine. He isn't taking over the draft and trading up on risky pick with out being backed by coaches and ownership Giants don't do it like that.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 15, 2020 22:09:38 GMT -5
Well looks like this is gonna take a while their lawyers have sworn affidavits from several people that they didn't do anything and the allegations are not true. We will se where it all goes still wanna see Love take his job or Ballentine / Biel.
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Post by fifthavephil on May 15, 2020 22:10:49 GMT -5
Why wasn’t this a big deal after he was drafted.? Who’s the source? Probably , a scout who was fired. But, hard to argue after this past event . What , gets me DG traded up and gambled big time .
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Post by Morehead State on May 15, 2020 22:13:21 GMT -5
Well looks like this is gonna take a while their lawyers have sworn affidavits from several people that they didn't do anything and the allegations are not true. We will se where it all goes still wanna see Love take his job or Ballentine / Biel. I heard that about Dunbar but I haven't heard that about Baker.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 15, 2020 22:20:21 GMT -5
Well looks like this is gonna take a while their lawyers have sworn affidavits from several people that they didn't do anything and the allegations are not true. We will se where it all goes still wanna see Love take his job or Ballentine / Biel. I heard that about Dunbar but I haven't heard that about Baker. Bakers lawyer put out statement it is over on bleacher report about 100 times from every writer claiming the same thing.
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Post by DandyDon on May 15, 2020 22:23:12 GMT -5
Well looks like this is gonna take a while their lawyers have sworn affidavits from several people that they didn't do anything and the allegations are not true. We will se where it all goes still wanna see Love take his job or Ballentine / Biel. I heard that about Dunbar but I haven't heard that about Baker. BigBlueDog42 didnt mention either one of them. But tell us what you "heard" about them?
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Post by Morehead State on May 15, 2020 22:23:14 GMT -5
I heard that about Dunbar but I haven't heard that about Baker. Bakers lawyer put out statement it is over on bleacher report about 100 times from every writer claiming the same thing. Not saying it's not true. I'm saying I only heard about 5 affidavits regarding Dunbar.
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Post by Morehead State on May 15, 2020 22:27:01 GMT -5
I heard that about Dunbar but I haven't heard that about Baker. BigBlueDog42 didnt mention either one of them. But tell us what you "heard" about them? I read that Dunbar's lawyer says he has 5 signed affidavits that he had no involvement. I heard nothing about Baker in that regard. I assumed that's what BBD42 was talking about.
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Post by TheAnalyst on May 15, 2020 22:28:30 GMT -5
But but but.....
Lol
The next couple of weeks will be interesting hearing the stories
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 15, 2020 22:28:30 GMT -5
Bakers lawyer put out statement it is over on bleacher report about 100 times from every writer claiming the same thing. Not saying it's not true. I'm saying I only heard about 5 affidavits regarding Dunbar. All I read is witnesses claim Bakers innocence and his Lawyers statement claims they have several Witnesses. That they didn't want to do it the court of public opinion but were forced to because it got out. And would prefer to clear his client through the proper channels
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Post by Morehead State on May 15, 2020 22:31:45 GMT -5
Not saying it's not true. I'm saying I only heard about 5 affidavits regarding Dunbar. All I read is witnesses claim Bakers innocence and his Lawyers statement claims they have several Witnesses. That they didn't want to do it the court of public opinion but were forced to because it got out. And would prefer to clear his client through the proper channels That's fine. I'm not saying it's not true. I'm just saying that I only saw that about Dunbar.
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Post by TheAnalyst on May 15, 2020 22:31:46 GMT -5
Why wasn’t this a big deal after he was drafted.? Who’s the source? It's a Monday morning QB source. No one predicted this, so they have to invent it. LoL! Yup. Most other GMs just guessed he wouldnt pan out and didnt risk it and got lucky.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 15, 2020 22:34:09 GMT -5
I heard that about Dunbar but I haven't heard that about Baker. BigBlueDog42 didnt mention either one of them. But tell us what you "heard" about them? Bakers lawyer says they have several witnesses that claim he is innocent. The full statement is over on bleacher report on almost every Giants writers twitter. Thats about it tho that he didn't want to do it in public but it got out and was forced to. would rather clear him through the proper channels.
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Post by Roosevelt on May 15, 2020 22:36:20 GMT -5
Why wasn’t this a big deal after he was drafted.? Who’s the source?
You mean who's the rat. Take your pick of anyone who recently lost their job.
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Post by TCHOF on May 15, 2020 22:36:52 GMT -5
Not saying it's not true. I'm saying I only heard about 5 affidavits regarding Dunbar. All I read is witnesses claim Bakers innocence and his Lawyers statement claims they have several Witnesses. That they didn't want to do it the court of public opinion but were forced to because it got out. And would prefer to clear his client through the proper channels Pleas post a link to support for the claim that witnesses claimed that Baker is innocent
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Post by TCHOF on May 15, 2020 22:38:27 GMT -5
BigBlueDog42 didnt mention either one of them. But tell us what you "heard" about them? Bakers lawyer says they have several witnesses that claim he is innocent. The full statement is over on bleacher report on almost every Giants writers twitter. Thats about it tho that he didn't want to do it in public but it got out and was forced to. would rather clear him through the proper channels. Link please
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 15, 2020 22:41:19 GMT -5
All I read is witnesses claim Bakers innocence and his Lawyers statement claims they have several Witnesses. That they didn't want to do it the court of public opinion but were forced to because it got out. And would prefer to clear his client through the proper channels Pleas post a link to support for the claim that witnesses claimed that Baker is innocent Bleacher report I don't know how to do the link but if you go there it is on Swhartz and Ranaans feeds they have an investigator apparently who has info and several witnesses that claim Baker is innocent. I still would like to see the other guys get his spot even if he is innocent maybe give him the same kick in the pants Webster got if he is innocent that is.
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Post by TheAnalyst on May 15, 2020 22:41:40 GMT -5
Bakers lawyer says they have several witnesses that claim he is innocent. The full statement is over on bleacher report on almost every Giants writers twitter. Thats about it tho that he didn't want to do it in public but it got out and was forced to. would rather clear him through the proper channels. Link please nypost.com/2020/05/15/giants-deandre-baker-is-innocent-of-any-charges-lawyer/But it's his lawyer so, and Dunbars lawyer said the same. We shall see. Get your popcorn ready!
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Post by TheAnalyst on May 15, 2020 22:42:47 GMT -5
Wait I just realized what happened....
NFL needed a story. Staged the whole thing to get the NFL front page over the Blake Snell story of MLB.
It's a shady world people...
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 15, 2020 22:44:09 GMT -5
All I read is witnesses claim Bakers innocence and his Lawyers statement claims they have several Witnesses. That they didn't want to do it the court of public opinion but were forced to because it got out. And would prefer to clear his client through the proper channels That's fine. I'm not saying it's not true. I'm just saying that I only saw that about Dunbar. Know your not this was a statement on bleacher report from Bakers lawyers they stated they have several witnesses that say he is innocent info came from there PI.
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Post by TCHOF on May 15, 2020 22:44:56 GMT -5
Pleas post a link to support for the claim that witnesses claimed that Baker is innocent Bleacher report I don't know how to do the link but if you go there it is on Swhartz and Ranaans feeds they have an investigator apparently who has info and several witnesses that claim Baker is innocent. I still would like to see the other guys get his spot even if he is innocent maybe give him the same kick in the pants Webster got if he is innocent that is. Is he innocent of not showing up for a single zoom meeting with his new coaches?
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Post by Morehead State on May 15, 2020 22:46:40 GMT -5
Bleacher report I don't know how to do the link but if you go there it is on Swhartz and Ranaans feeds they have an investigator apparently who has info and several witnesses that claim Baker is innocent. I still would like to see the other guys get his spot even if he is innocent maybe give him the same kick in the pants Webster got if he is innocent that is. Is he innocent of not showing up for a single zoom meeting with his new coaches? Let's not change the subject my friend. The link was supplied.
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Post by Roosevelt on May 15, 2020 22:47:36 GMT -5
I guess it's feasible (and likely suggested) to re-pay the victims handsomely in exchange of dropping all charges.
That seems like the most likely outcome.
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