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Post by sundown on May 19, 2020 8:41:03 GMT -5
Well, let's see what the facts say. Still: why does one need to carry around a semi automatic weapon when going to a party? Was the gambling at a legal and licensed establishment? Was the gambling just undeclared illegal activity? Even is DeAndre Baker is cleared of the armed robbery charges he is clearly an idiot and clearly associates with low lives. Send the message to the entire team and cut him if he’s cleared. SMH
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Post by fifthavephil on May 19, 2020 8:41:45 GMT -5
So, if Baker ‘s case is dismiss or he is found innocent. What , will the NFL and Goodell do to discipline Baker. Four game , six games , eight games or a whole season ??? why would he need to be suspended? So, you, think the NFL will not do anything ?
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Post by jb456 on May 19, 2020 8:44:37 GMT -5
why would he need to be suspended? So, you don’t think the NFL will not do anything ? Actually, I have no idea. If the charges are completely dropped and this turns out to be completely bogus, can they? I guess it depends on the new CBA?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 19, 2020 8:50:56 GMT -5
Gotta say, why is this guy at a house party with these types of people. He should be social distancing like the rest of us and he wouldn't be in this situation in the first place. He gets what he deserves. If not social distancing be in a gym somewhere or training and working on his craft lol. He will be a Giant it doesn't mean he will be a starter.
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Post by sundown on May 19, 2020 8:56:14 GMT -5
Cut him and send the message that this idiocy won’t be tolerated. He’s not going to get cut. My issue w your post is you saying he hangs out w lowlifes which is a baseless comment
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Post by DandyDon on May 19, 2020 9:00:33 GMT -5
Impossible - he’s already been convicted from the guilty until proven innocent fan base. Some of whom post right here. I hope he gets cleared and learns about how important the company you keep is.We’ll see how it plays out when all the facts are in. There are cheap shots that continue to be fired by the bush leaguers sitting on their high horses still without all the facts. No one knows all the facts - some took the initial reports which are falling apart and started slinging their insults and continue to do so. He’s not to bright - to dumb to learn the playbook. He’ll get what he deserves.We finally have a “ lockdown” corner. ........and on and on and on............. There are a few of you that are a real piece of work, judging and spewing insults about this kid. It’s pathetic - every fan base has there share of numbskulls. It’s pretty easy to identify which are posting on this subject. Is he perfect no - no one is. I haven't been the biggest fan of this kid at all but always hoped he succeeded. I believe the Giants invested 3 draft picks to get this kid. Any fan of the Giants that doesn't want this kid to succeed is a complete moron! You seem to be all in on a kid who falls asleep in team meetings, didn't have a good 2019 and decides not to show up to virtual meetings in 2020 (Before this mess). Blah, Blah Blah, don't tell me that other players miss these meetings. They have a BRAND NEW COACHING STAFF AND SCHEME! He obviously needs these meetings as much or more that anyone else. Also, you want to throw in the fact that he blows off social distancing and goes to a party armed with a handgun. Perhaps his didn't rob anyone, maybe he was just flashing it to be a tough guy (Then they concocted a BS story to get money out of him). So either way, we are dealing with lazy player who puts himself in colossally stupid situations that could have potentially put him away for life. In the end, the Giants will be a better team if he succeeds so hopefully he does. The majority of us won't be big fans of this kid until grows up and shows some type of effort, he really needs to in order to succeed... His lawyer claims he was wearing a mask, for what its worth..
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Post by jb456 on May 19, 2020 9:01:36 GMT -5
Cut him and send the message that this idiocy won’t be tolerated. He’s not going to get cut. My issue w your post is you saying he hangs out w lowlifes which is a baseless comment Honestly bro, if the charges get dropped, he does. This is a situation where either he is a lowlife (An armed robber) or the people he hangs out with, including a friend from his childhood are lowlifes (Accusing someone for armed robbery to get money for themselves).
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Post by jb456 on May 19, 2020 9:07:43 GMT -5
I haven't been the biggest fan of this kid at all but always hoped he succeeded. I believe the Giants invested 3 draft picks to get this kid. Any fan of the Giants that doesn't want this kid to succeed is a complete moron! You seem to be all in on a kid who falls asleep in team meetings, didn't have a good 2019 and decides not to show up to virtual meetings in 2020 (Before this mess). Blah, Blah Blah, don't tell me that other players miss these meetings. They have a BRAND NEW COACHING STAFF AND SCHEME! He obviously needs these meetings as much or more that anyone else. Also, you want to throw in the fact that he blows off social distancing and goes to a party armed with a handgun. Perhaps his didn't rob anyone, maybe he was just flashing it to be a tough guy (Then they concocted a BS story to get money out of him). So either way, we are dealing with lazy player who puts himself in colossally stupid situations that could have potentially put him away for life. In the end, the Giants will be a better team if he succeeds so hopefully he does. The majority of us won't be big fans of this kid until grows up and shows some type of effort, he really needs to in order to succeed... His lawyer claims he was wearing a mask, for what its worth.. What would be the point of a mask if you are sitting around a poker table, having drinks, exchanging poker chips and having less than 2 feet between you and the next player. You might as well not even wear a mask at that point and he probably didn't.
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Post by TEM on May 19, 2020 9:07:50 GMT -5
He’s not going to get cut. My issue w your post is you saying he hangs out w lowlifes which is a baseless comment Honestly bro, if the charges get dropped, he does. This is a situation where either he is a lowlife (An armed robber) or the people he hangs out with, including a friend from his childhood are lowlifes (Accusing someone for armed robbery to get money for themselves). I completely disagree. When you are young . Your wisdom related judgement is not fully developed. We all were in situations where there were dirt-bags in close proximity to us. Do you hold that judgment to yourself as you do Baker or did you take those as learning experiences.
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Post by sundown on May 19, 2020 9:17:02 GMT -5
Honestly bro, if the charges get dropped, he does. This is a situation where either he is a lowlife (An armed robber) or the people he hangs out with, including a friend from his childhood are lowlifes (Accusing someone for armed robbery to get money for themselves). I completely disagree. When you are young . Your wisdom related judgement is not fully developed. We all were in situations where there were dirt-bags in close proximity to us. Do you hold that judgment to yourself as you do Baker or did you take those as learning experiences. Exactly!! I still have the same friends from elementary and we use to hit up parties all the time and there were some bad people there. Does that mean I hangout w lowlifes? Hell I have some friends that are cool w some “lowlifes” so does that mean my immediate friends are lowlifes? Was he dumb for going out during a pandemic, YES but until the full facts come out nobody should be judging
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 19, 2020 9:20:10 GMT -5
Well, this is the same guy who has issues learning a playbook. Trying to stay awake during meetings, and on occasion let up on some plays on the field. What I’m trying to say is he’s an idiot.. He's definitely young, not sure whether it's lack of brains or lazy. I have a hard time judging how I would have ended up with being feted most of my life and then given millions of dollars in my early 20s. I'm going to let this play out before I make a judgement. I have had more then a few kids 21 to 25 year old kids work for me 95% of them if you gave them 2 mill dollars for a years work don't think you are gonna get much in return. As a friend of mine told me a long time ago a 22 or 23 year old today more times then not are about as mature as we were at 18. Think if he is proven innocent it will be what he learned from this experience he was on the edge of losing a large portion of his life not just football. If he is still sleeping in meetings and not studying his play book and not getting the help he needs to get his job done he needs to go and hasn't learned anything and probably won't till he hits the floor rock bottom.
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Post by jb456 on May 19, 2020 9:24:51 GMT -5
Honestly bro, if the charges get dropped, he does. This is a situation where either he is a lowlife (An armed robber) or the people he hangs out with, including a friend from his childhood are lowlifes (Accusing someone for armed robbery to get money for themselves). I completely disagree. When you are young . Your wisdom related judgement is not fully developed. We all were in situations where there were dirt-bags in close proximity to us. Do you hold that judgment to yourself as you do Baker or did you take those as learning experiences. Your statement is correct but isn't relevant to my statement. My statement is completely true. He is a lowlife if he committed armed robbery or the people he was hanging out with are lowlifes for falsely accusing him of armed robbery to extort money from him. I didn't say he was a lowlife for hanging out with lowlifes. I'm sure many of us have hung out with 1 or 2 before we fully matured.
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Post by GameTime on May 19, 2020 9:29:52 GMT -5
why would he need to be suspended? So, you, think the NFL will not do anything ? if he didnt "do anything" they why should they. I know they have their investigation process so it will be interesting to what they find out.
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Post by TEM on May 19, 2020 9:33:00 GMT -5
I completely disagree. When you are young . Your wisdom related judgement is not fully developed. We all were in situations where there were dirt-bags in close proximity to us. Do you hold that judgment to yourself as you do Baker or did you take those as learning experiences. Your statement is correct but isn't relevant to my statement. My statement is completely true. He is a lowlife if he committed armed robbery or the people he was hanging out with are lowlifes for falsely accusing him of armed robbery to extort money from him. I didn't say he was a lowlife for hanging out with lowlifes. I'm sure many of us have hung out with 1 or 2 before we fully matured. I read your post as if he hangs out with lowlifes He must be also. I think the kid was set up and nothing more.
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Post by jb456 on May 19, 2020 9:36:32 GMT -5
Gotta say, why is this guy at a house party with these types of people. He should be social distancing like the rest of us and he wouldn't be in this situation in the first place. He gets what he deserves. If not social distancing be in a gym somewhere or training and working on his craft lol. He will be a Giant it doesn't mean he will be a starter. Why not? You can go to a gym that isn't packed and workout. Hell, gyms aren't usually packed unless it's peak hours (right after work 4 - 8 PM), Saturday's 11:30 AM - 3PM, Sundays, about the same time. Go to a gym at 10AM or 2PM on a weekday and there are probably less than 20 people there. Also, he is a freaking millionaire. He can't afford to get a bench, free weights and treadmill? I know people with almost no means get these items. He can easily afford to put a TV and a camera next in his home gym and have a trainer oversee his entire workout.
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Post by TEM on May 19, 2020 9:37:38 GMT -5
why would he need to be suspended? It’s blowing my mind that even if this turns out to be a complete sham there is a contingent that would still like to see this kid get fu***d over. Newsflash, if this is all a sham that already happened. It is the mindset of some fans . There should be no developmental stage in a player's career. Gettleman said it can take upwards of 3 years for a player to hit is potential. It took Strahan 3 years. It was not until year 4 he hit his stride. It took Tuck until year 3. For anyone to say Baker is what he is as a player. IMO is looking at the truth in regards how long it takes to become a good player.
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Post by TEM on May 19, 2020 9:39:17 GMT -5
why would he need to be suspended? So, you, think the NFL will not do anything ? For what guilt by association?
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Post by jb456 on May 19, 2020 9:40:25 GMT -5
Your statement is correct but isn't relevant to my statement. My statement is completely true. He is a lowlife if he committed armed robbery or the people he was hanging out with are lowlifes for falsely accusing him of armed robbery to extort money from him. I didn't say he was a lowlife for hanging out with lowlifes. I'm sure many of us have hung out with 1 or 2 before we fully matured. I read your post as if he hangs out with lowlifes He must be also. I think the kid was set up and nothing more. Understood, you think he was hanging out with lowlifes (Including a childhood friend) and he probably was based on what has come out as of late. I really hope that this is a wake up call for him and he needs some new friends. If this isn't a wake up call for him, he is setting himself up to go down hard and not being able to play football will be the least of his problems.
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Post by TEM on May 19, 2020 9:42:49 GMT -5
I read your post as if he hangs out with lowlifes He must be also. I think the kid was set up and nothing more. Understood, you think he was hanging out with lowlifes (Including a childhood friend) and he probably was based on what has come out as of late. I really hope that this is a wake up call for him and he needs some new friends. If this isn't a wake up call for him, he is setting himself up to go down hard and not being able to play football will be the least of his problems. From what is being conveyed by his league team. The wake up call has occurred.
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Post by Eazy E on May 19, 2020 9:43:46 GMT -5
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Post by jb456 on May 19, 2020 9:50:03 GMT -5
This sounds like a good start, lets hope it lasts. The Giants could only benefit if the charges are dropped and this kid succeeds...
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 10:44:07 GMT -5
I completely disagree. When you are young . Your wisdom related judgement is not fully developed. We all were in situations where there were dirt-bags in close proximity to us. Do you hold that judgment to yourself as you do Baker or did you take those as learning experiences. Exactly!! I still have the same friends from elementary and we use to hit up parties all the time and there were some bad people there. Does that mean I hangout w lowlifes? Hell I have some friends that are cool w some “lowlifes” so does that mean my immediate friends are lowlifes? Was he dumb for going out during a pandemic, YES but until the full facts come out nobody should be judgingALWAYS. this.
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Post by TheAnalyst on May 19, 2020 10:51:50 GMT -5
Im trying to read that article but getting bombarded with ad shrapnel and music. I didnt see where he did ask for forgiveness. Was his quote in it? Or just the lawyers words? And if he is asking for forgiveness, for what if he didnt do anything wrong?
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 11:01:02 GMT -5
He’s not going to get cut. My issue w your post is you saying he hangs out w lowlifes which is a baseless comment Well. Deandre Baker is gambling illegally at a party with a bunch of people that are at the party also gambling illegally. DeAndre Baker felt the need to bring a gun. Apparently other people had guns at a party where with alcohol being consumed and people gambling illegally. Yes. It’s a party full of low lives that DeAndre Baker choose your associate himself with. Send the message and cut him. Even if DeAndre Baker is cleared of armed robbery still cut him. Wow. You're really not a "second chances" guy, are you? So.....let's play "what if".....What if....Baker is cleared of all the charges and the Giants fire him anyway (which is ludicrous IMO) What if....This is a wake up call this kid needed and he not only becomes a pillar of the community, but a great football player as well.......but not with as a Giant.? I'd much rather have this guy play under a Judge type HC who will have him on a VERY short leash until he proves himself otherwise. There really is no risk in that. He either flies right or he's gone. He's getting paid anyway and the Giants can be a part of a great turn around story, rather than the organization that threw in the towel too early. He was going to be given a clean slate for this year, and we were all on board with that before this incident. If he turns out to be innocent, that should not change. Of course, based on your reputation here, I believe your underlying hatred of Gettleman influences your thinking.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 11:03:46 GMT -5
Im trying to read that article but getting bombarded with ad shrapnel and music. I didnt see where he did ask for forgiveness. Was his quote in it? Or just the lawyers words? And if he is asking for forgiveness, for what if he didnt do anything wrong? Putting himself in that situation was wrong. There's no denying that and he SHOULD apologize for it. But being there, and committing armed robbery are world's apart. I would imagine there will be some sort of punitive action for detrimental conduct,
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Post by drew on May 19, 2020 11:08:48 GMT -5
Goodell is gonna do his own investigation and come to his own conclusion. So even if the charges are dismissed, Baker isn't out of the woods. I'd be shocked if he escaped this without any sort of suspension.
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Post by TheAnalyst on May 19, 2020 11:17:56 GMT -5
Im trying to read that article but getting bombarded with ad shrapnel and music. I didnt see where he did ask for forgiveness. Was his quote in it? Or just the lawyers words? And if he is asking for forgiveness, for what if he didnt do anything wrong? Putting himself in that situation was wrong. There's no denying that and he SHOULD apologize for it. But being there, and committing armed robbery are world's apart. I would imagine there will be some sort of punitive action for detrimental conduct, What was the situation he put himself in though if this is 100% fictitious like the lawyer says? How do you control others motives to frame you on something like this? The only way to be safe from that is living in a bubble and not socializing with anyone, which no one does. If this was 100% a set up job, then he doesnt need to apologize to me about it. What he needs to apologize to me about is sleeping in meetings causing poor performance and understanding on the field, and skipping team meetings with his new HC. Thats what worries me more, if this is fake news.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 11:27:07 GMT -5
Putting himself in that situation was wrong. There's no denying that and he SHOULD apologize for it. But being there, and committing armed robbery are world's apart. I would imagine there will be some sort of punitive action for detrimental conduct, What was the situation he put himself in though if this is 100% fictitious like the lawyer says? How do you control others motives to frame you on something like this? The only way to be safe from that is living in a bubble and not socializing with anyone, which no one does. If this was 100% a set up job, then he doesnt need to apologize to me about it. What he needs to apologize to me about is sleeping in meetings causing poor performance and understanding on the field, and skipping team meetings with his new HC. Thats what worries me more, if this is fake news. Your hyperbole is on fire today!! None of us know the entire story at all. Just based on speculation, he was at an illegal gambling party, drinking alcohol and carrying a firearm. And that is the LEAST of what we think we know. He hasn't been charged with any other crimes EXCEPT the ones related to the armed robbery. So, I have no reason to believe that he was guilty of any other crimes. Just dumb **** decision making.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 19, 2020 11:30:30 GMT -5
If not social distancing be in a gym somewhere or training and working on his craft lol. He will be a Giant it doesn't mean he will be a starter. Why not? You can go to a gym that isn't packed and workout. Hell, gyms aren't usually packed unless it's peak hours (right after work 4 - 8 PM), Saturday's 11:30 AM - 3PM, Sundays, about the same time. Go to a gym at 10AM or 2PM on a weekday and there are probably less than 20 people there. Also, he is a freaking millionaire. He can't afford to get a bench, free weights and treadmill? I know people with almost no means get these items. He can easily afford to put a TV and a camera next in his home gym and have a trainer oversee his entire workout. Thats what I was saying I'm an amateur power lifter and found away and a place to get my Gym time in. He found away and time to be hanging out, with the way he played he should have invested his time to his craft I don't even get paid.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 19, 2020 11:33:00 GMT -5
Well. Deandre Baker is gambling illegally at a party with a bunch of people that are at the party also gambling illegally. DeAndre Baker felt the need to bring a gun. Apparently other people had guns at a party where with alcohol being consumed and people gambling illegally. Yes. It’s a party full of low lives that DeAndre Baker choose your associate himself with. Send the message and cut him. Even if DeAndre Baker is cleared of armed robbery still cut him. Wow. You're really not a "second chances" guy, are you? So.....let's play "what if".....What if....Baker is cleared of all the charges and the Giants fire him anyway (which is ludicrous IMO) What if....This is a wake up call this kid needed and he not only becomes a pillar of the community, but a great football player as well.......but not with as a Giant.? I'd much rather have this guy play under a Judge type HC who will have him on a VERY short leash until he proves himself otherwise. There really is no risk in that. He either flies right or he's gone. He's getting paid anyway and the Giants can be a part of a great turn around story, rather than the organization that threw in the towel too early. He was going to be given a clean slate for this year, and we were all on board with that before this incident. If he turns out to be innocent, that should not change. Of course, based on your reputation here, I believe your underlying hatred of Gettleman influences your thinking. He's a DG draft pick the guys that hate the GM are gonna whoop on the few misses he has had there isn't much to shoot at. Got to take your shots when you get them.
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