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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 11:52:08 GMT -5
Are you saying the Giants would've selected the same player? The Giants whiffed on getting a center and WR so that would be the player I would've like see them draft at that spot instead of nothing.. Whiffed? I think Shane Lemiuex will turn out be one of the steals of the draft. Who knows who the Giants Would’ve taken, It wouldn’t have been the best player on defense like we have with L. Williams. Lemiuex has NEVER played center.. Now he's a steal?? That's some special cool-aid right there.. I hope you're right but adding a player who's actually played the position for some time would be the best choice at this time..
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Post by JoeyCush on Jun 22, 2020 11:54:27 GMT -5
That 68th pick could have been used on Cushenberry or Hennessy and still could have landed Lemieux .
Just sayin.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jun 22, 2020 12:27:48 GMT -5
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Post by McCherry on Jun 22, 2020 12:33:07 GMT -5
Because they won’t pay him? Ask any Jets fan if they’d be happy about losing they’re best player. Typical Jets move, it would make Gettleman look like a genius in comparison. Adams is on the 4th year of his rookie deal. Jets fans should be pissed he doesn't want to play out at least 4 years of his 5 year rookie contract.. They’re not, because Adams isn’t wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 14:27:49 GMT -5
Adams is on the 4th year of his rookie deal. Jets fans should be pissed he doesn't want to play out at least 4 years of his 5 year rookie contract.. They’re not, because Adams isn’t wrong. That's not how to have a good team. These players should be looking at getting a deal done on their final year which is why it could be worth it for a team to move back into the 1st for a player to get the extra year.. All the Jet fans I've discussed this with are pissed he's asking for a payout this early.. It must be a west coast east coast thing.
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Post by McCherry on Jun 22, 2020 14:58:40 GMT -5
They’re not, because Adams isn’t wrong. That's not how to have a good team. These players should be looking at getting a deal done on their final year which is why it could be worth it for a team to move back into the 1st for a player to get the extra year.. All the Jet fans I've discussed this with are pissed he's asking for a payout this early.. It must be a west coast east coast thing. I don’t know any Jet fan that wants to lose Adams. I’m listening to FAN right now to endless string of Jets fans complaining about always having to watch their best players leave.
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Post by Jomo on Jun 22, 2020 15:06:37 GMT -5
I have to make it my business over the next two weeks to watch a few games from last year and go to school on Williams. My casual take from watching a bad team last year out of one eye was that Williams was not a force that warranted what we paid for him. That is probably not fair because especially on the DL, good work doesn't always hit the stat sheet. I will return on this topic after more work in the film room.
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Post by Kruunch on Jun 22, 2020 18:13:23 GMT -5
I have to make it my business over the next two weeks to watch a few games from last year and go to school on Williams. My casual take from watching a bad team last year out of one eye was that Williams was not a force that warranted what we paid for him. That is probably not fair because especially on the DL, good work doesn't always hit the stat sheet. I will return on this topic after more work in the film room. I’ll save you the trouble. Williams is a good player, his stat sheet is misleading. He generates a lot of pressure from his position, but like Vernon before him. He’s always there a second too late. Always the bridesmaid and never the bride. He’s good against the run and never gets hurt. Overall, he’s a good player. Not 6th overall in the draft good. But a respected player. The trade was dumb for many reasons. You do not trade for a player on his walk year to a bad team. Especially, giving up draft capital. It doesn’t matter the reasoning or Gettlemans idiotic cliches. Draft picks are gold for a rebuilding franchise. Once the Giants traded for him they had to resign or in our situation tag him. They would have looked like morons for not doing so. And that is a mistake when you’re trying to get better. The player had all the leverage, and the Giants were held with their ***** in their hand. You like Williams? You feel he can be an integral part of our future? Then sign him in free agency. You lose no draft picks, and you have your player. Yeah, you can lose him to another team. But so be it, that’s part of the game. In a high stakes game Gettleman had a pair of twos and tried to outsmart the house. Lots of fans try to justify the move, but when you break it all down and look at it objectively. It was a poor decision..
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Post by McCherry on Jun 22, 2020 19:11:50 GMT -5
I have to make it my business over the next two weeks to watch a few games from last year and go to school on Williams. My casual take from watching a bad team last year out of one eye was that Williams was not a force that warranted what we paid for him. That is probably not fair because especially on the DL, good work doesn't always hit the stat sheet. I will return on this topic after more work in the film room. I’ll save you the trouble. Williams is a good player, his stat sheet is misleading. He generates a lot of pressure from his position, but like Vernon before him. He’s always there a second too late. Always the bridesmaid and never the bride. He’s good against the run and never gets hurt. Overall, he’s a good player. Not 6th overall in the draft good. But a respected player. The trade was dumb for many reasons. You do not trade for a player on his walk year to a bad team. Especially, giving up draft capital. It doesn’t matter the reasoning or Gettlemans idiotic cliches. Draft picks are gold for a rebuilding franchise. Once the Giants traded for him they had to resign or in our situation tag him. They would have looked like morons for not doing so. And that is a mistake when you’re trying to get better. The player had all the leverage, and the Giants were held with their ***** in their hand. You like Williams? You feel he can be an integral part of our future? Then sign him in free agency. You lose no draft picks, and you have your player. Yeah, you can lose him to another team. But so be it, that’s part of the game. In a high stakes game Gettleman had a pair of twos and tried to outsmart the house. Lots of fans try to justify the move, but when you break it all down and look at it objectively. It was a poor decision.. Even if he helps turn around the defense? If the Giants have any success in the near future it's going to be because of players like Williams and nobody will care about a 3rd round pick. The only way its a bad decision is if he stops playing at a high level, or the Giants keep losing. Then it won't matter.
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Post by devilsadvocate on Jun 25, 2020 14:52:54 GMT -5
The Jets took the pick and made one of the most unpopular moves in the draft. Jet fans hated that pick. We’re better with Williams, move on... I'm not sure where you are getting that from. Ashtyn was graded by many higher than where the Jets picked him and if they end up trading Adams, this was a very smart pick. Is it possible some fans didn't like it? Sure, but then that happens with every pick.
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Post by McCherry on Jun 25, 2020 15:24:34 GMT -5
The Jets took the pick and made one of the most unpopular moves in the draft. Jet fans hated that pick. We’re better with Williams, move on... I'm not sure where you are getting that from. Ashtyn was graded by many higher than where the Jets picked him and if they end up trading Adams, this was a very smart pick. Is it possible some fans didn't like it? Sure, but then that happens with every pick. It's not about Ashtyn, it's about the All-Pro Safety they already have. It wasn't a popular move among Jet fans and media because they want to lose Adams and there were other positions they could've addressed. I’m listening to Jets fans complain on wfan as we speak.
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Post by bavarobeast on Jun 25, 2020 17:35:38 GMT -5
Not dipping into the most talented group of recievers to come out in a very long time while the rest of the league,especially our division,loaded up with firepower. Wait till next year and hopefully get Chase,Waddle,ect I think Lemieux or Gates could be the answer at center eventually This
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 14:28:51 GMT -5
The Jets took the pick and made one of the most unpopular moves in the draft. Jet fans hated that pick. We’re better with Williams, move on... I'm not sure where you are getting that from. Ashtyn was graded by many higher than where the Jets picked him and if they end up trading Adams, this was a very smart pick. Is it possible some fans didn't like it? Sure, but then that happens with every pick. listening to ESPN radio this afternoon it seemed like everyone was bashing Adams for what he's doing at this point in his career. Some fans are mad because they finally got a great player but he's selfish which isn't a good optic for him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 14:58:33 GMT -5
Not addressing one of the more glaring needs on the team. Edge rusher.. I think Fackrell was a good pickup, but expecting him to duplicate his 10.5 sack season a few years ago is hopeful thinking at best. The Giants put all their eggs in the Ximinez and Carter basket for being the answer to our pass rushing woes. It’s very simple, we don’t get to the QB we will lose more than we win. In a passing league you have to be able to disrupt the QB. With the rules benefiting offenses and most importantly the WR position it’s the job of the guys up front, especially at the edge position to get consistent pressure at the quarterback. Edge rush talent was weak last year....after Chase Young, the scouting grades grinded. Sometimes, gotta open the cap checkbook and overspend on that pass rush.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 15:00:16 GMT -5
Not dipping into the most talented group of recievers to come out in a very long time while the rest of the league,especially our division,loaded up with firepower. Wait till next year and hopefully get Chase,Waddle,ect I think Lemieux or Gates could be the answer at center eventually Yeah, that surprised me....hopefully Barkley play action creates separation all over for our receivers.
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Post by jb456 on Jun 26, 2020 15:01:21 GMT -5
Giants Head-Scratching Move Deemed NY’s Biggest Offseason Regret "Let’s be honest. The New York Giants may regret trading for defensive lineman Leonard Williams more than they regret hanging onto him. They gave the crosstown Jets a third-round pick and a conditional fourth-rounder to land Williams and got little in return. In eight games, Williams had just 13 solo tackles and half a sack. Yet general manager Dave Gettleman has defended the trade. “The juice was worth the squeeze,” Gettleman said, per SNY’s Garrett Stepien. Well, the Giants have squeezed twice now for Williams, giving him the franchise tag for another audition in 2020. That’s going to cost New York a whopping $16.1 million for a player who had just 46 total tackles and half a sack in all of 2019." "His 19 QB-hits in 2019 led all interior defensive lineman, while his pressure rate of 11.3% ranked 13th amongst players at his position."heavy.com/sports/2020/06/new-york-giants-leonard-williams-franchise-tag-biggest-regret-2020-nfl-offseason/He had 19 QB hits and was almost top 10 in pressure rate. He is a good player but the only gripe should be about not signing him to a deal. If they don't sign him before July 15th, no way will they sign him next off-season. Hopefully he has a great year and they get a 3rd round comp pick out of it to offset some of the loss....
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 6, 2020 5:39:05 GMT -5
Report: New York Giants DL Leonard Williams sets whopping asking price for new contract The New York Giants paid a high price to acquire defensive lineman Leonard Williams during the 2019 NFL season. If the organization wants to keep him beyond this year, they’ll have to pay an even higher cost to meet his asking price. New York Giants, Leonard Williams “not close” on contract extension New York Giants general manager Dave Gettleman placed the franchise tag on Leonard Williams early this offseason to ensure he wouldn’t hit free agency. While the move keeps Williams in New York for the 2020 season, discussions on a contract extension aren’t going well. According to SportsNet New York’s Ralph Vacchiano, Williams is seeking between $18-20 million per year on his contract extension. It’s a price the Giants aren’t willing to come near and both sides aren’t close on a deal. Williams, the No. 6 overall pick in the 2015 NFL Draft, made the Pro Bowl in 2016 with the New York Jets. However, the 6-foot-5 defensive lineman hasn’t lived up to that honor since. Over the past three seasons, Williams has recorded 7.5 total sacks in 47 games. Even more concerning for the Giants, he registered just 0.5 sack and two tackles for loss across 15 games during the 2019 season. Williams’ rumored asking price would make him the third-highest paid defensive tackle in the NFL, per Spotrac. Given he hasn’t ever played to that ability, or remotely close, it’s understandable why the Giants wouldn’t meet his demands. Given this team bid against itself to land Williams at the trade deadline, it still wouldn’t be a surprise if Gettleman overpaid Williams. sportsnaut.com/2020/07/report-new-york-giants-dl-leonard-williams-sets-whopping-asking-price-for-new-contract/WOW, such a shock he is going all in on a huge contract. No one saw that coming! lol I remember some here thinking he would ask for $10-$12m a year lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 5:51:05 GMT -5
Report: New York Giants DL Leonard Williams sets whopping asking price for new contract The New York Giants paid a high price to acquire defensive lineman Leonard Williams during the 2019 NFL season. If the organization wants to keep him beyond this year, they’ll have to pay an even higher cost to meet his asking price. New York Giants, Leonard Williams “not close” on contract extension New York Giants general manager Dave Gettleman placed the franchise tag on Leonard Williams early this offseason to ensure he wouldn’t hit free agency. While the move keeps Williams in New York for the 2020 season, discussions on a contract extension aren’t going well. According to SportsNet New York’s Ralph Vacchiano, Williams is seeking between $18-20 million per year on his contract extension. It’s a price the Giants aren’t willing to come near and both sides aren’t close on a deal. Williams, the No. 6 overall pick in the 2015 NFL Draft, made the Pro Bowl in 2016 with the New York Jets. However, the 6-foot-5 defensive lineman hasn’t lived up to that honor since. Over the past three seasons, Williams has recorded 7.5 total sacks in 47 games. Even more concerning for the Giants, he registered just 0.5 sack and two tackles for loss across 15 games during the 2019 season. Williams’ rumored asking price would make him the third-highest paid defensive tackle in the NFL, per Spotrac. Given he hasn’t ever played to that ability, or remotely close, it’s understandable why the Giants wouldn’t meet his demands. Given this team bid against itself to land Williams at the trade deadline, it still wouldn’t be a surprise if Gettleman overpaid Williams. sportsnaut.com/2020/07/report-new-york-giants-dl-leonard-williams-sets-whopping-asking-price-for-new-contract/WOW, such a shock he is going all in on a huge contract. No one saw that coming! lol I remember some here thinking he would ask for $10-$12m a year lol
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 6, 2020 7:35:24 GMT -5
Report: New York Giants DL Leonard Williams sets whopping asking price for new contract The New York Giants paid a high price to acquire defensive lineman Leonard Williams during the 2019 NFL season. If the organization wants to keep him beyond this year, they’ll have to pay an even higher cost to meet his asking price. New York Giants, Leonard Williams “not close” on contract extension New York Giants general manager Dave Gettleman placed the franchise tag on Leonard Williams early this offseason to ensure he wouldn’t hit free agency. While the move keeps Williams in New York for the 2020 season, discussions on a contract extension aren’t going well. According to SportsNet New York’s Ralph Vacchiano, Williams is seeking between $18-20 million per year on his contract extension. It’s a price the Giants aren’t willing to come near and both sides aren’t close on a deal. Williams, the No. 6 overall pick in the 2015 NFL Draft, made the Pro Bowl in 2016 with the New York Jets. However, the 6-foot-5 defensive lineman hasn’t lived up to that honor since. Over the past three seasons, Williams has recorded 7.5 total sacks in 47 games. Even more concerning for the Giants, he registered just 0.5 sack and two tackles for loss across 15 games during the 2019 season. Williams’ rumored asking price would make him the third-highest paid defensive tackle in the NFL, per Spotrac. Given he hasn’t ever played to that ability, or remotely close, it’s understandable why the Giants wouldn’t meet his demands. Given this team bid against itself to land Williams at the trade deadline, it still wouldn’t be a surprise if Gettleman overpaid Williams. sportsnaut.com/2020/07/report-new-york-giants-dl-leonard-williams-sets-whopping-asking-price-for-new-contract/WOW, such a shock he is going all in on a huge contract. No one saw that coming! lol I remember some here thinking he would ask for $10-$12m a year lol Damn Oh well ... sign Tomlinson to the extension and let Williams walk
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Post by Fletch842 on Jul 6, 2020 8:01:09 GMT -5
Report: New York Giants DL Leonard Williams sets whopping asking price for new contract The New York Giants paid a high price to acquire defensive lineman Leonard Williams during the 2019 NFL season. If the organization wants to keep him beyond this year, they’ll have to pay an even higher cost to meet his asking price. New York Giants, Leonard Williams “not close” on contract extension New York Giants general manager Dave Gettleman placed the franchise tag on Leonard Williams early this offseason to ensure he wouldn’t hit free agency. While the move keeps Williams in New York for the 2020 season, discussions on a contract extension aren’t going well. According to SportsNet New York’s Ralph Vacchiano, Williams is seeking between $18-20 million per year on his contract extension. It’s a price the Giants aren’t willing to come near and both sides aren’t close on a deal. Williams, the No. 6 overall pick in the 2015 NFL Draft, made the Pro Bowl in 2016 with the New York Jets. However, the 6-foot-5 defensive lineman hasn’t lived up to that honor since. Over the past three seasons, Williams has recorded 7.5 total sacks in 47 games. Even more concerning for the Giants, he registered just 0.5 sack and two tackles for loss across 15 games during the 2019 season. Williams’ rumored asking price would make him the third-highest paid defensive tackle in the NFL, per Spotrac. Given he hasn’t ever played to that ability, or remotely close, it’s understandable why the Giants wouldn’t meet his demands. Given this team bid against itself to land Williams at the trade deadline, it still wouldn’t be a surprise if Gettleman overpaid Williams. sportsnaut.com/2020/07/report-new-york-giants-dl-leonard-williams-sets-whopping-asking-price-for-new-contract/WOW, such a shock he is going all in on a huge contract. No one saw that coming! lol I remember some here thinking he would ask for $10-$12m a year lol Damn Oh well ... sign Tomlinson to the extension and let Williams walk with demands like that, he'll find the same market that Clowney is finding (none!!)
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 6, 2020 8:06:01 GMT -5
Damn Oh well ... sign Tomlinson to the extension and let Williams walk with demands like that, he'll find the same market that Clowney is finding (none!!) Right, and we still get screwed over. Even on the tag $16.1m is stupid. I would take the potential of a Zach Baun on a rookie deal for 4 years over Williams on a 1 year $16.1m deal all day every day. I was pretty high on Baun I'll admit. I couldnt believe he lasted past our 3rd round pick.
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Post by JoeyCush on Jul 6, 2020 9:29:53 GMT -5
18-20 million for LW is insane. For that much money you need to be putting up stats, not pressures and almost got theres. Those on the DL averaging more or the same are Aaron Donald, Demarcus Lawrence, DeForest Buckner, Frank Clark, Trey Flowers and Cam Jordan. All guys who get to the QB.
Say what you want about what LW does good all you please. There is no DT/DE getting paid that much without putting up numbers.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 6, 2020 9:44:01 GMT -5
He had better put up Warren Sapp numbers this year to even sniff this ...
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 6, 2020 9:45:29 GMT -5
with demands like that, he'll find the same market that Clowney is finding (none!!) Right, and we still get screwed over. Even on the tag $16.1m is stupid. I would take the potential of a Zach Baun on a rookie deal for 4 years over Williams on a 1 year $16.1m deal all day every day. I was pretty high on Baun I'll admit. I couldnt believe he lasted past our 3rd round pick. I think that Matt Hennessy was available at that pick too ….
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 6, 2020 10:04:00 GMT -5
Right, and we still get screwed over. Even on the tag $16.1m is stupid. I would take the potential of a Zach Baun on a rookie deal for 4 years over Williams on a 1 year $16.1m deal all day every day. I was pretty high on Baun I'll admit. I couldnt believe he lasted past our 3rd round pick. I think that Matt Hennessy was available at that pick too …. Another solid choice. And Badias too IMO. I guess they felt really comfy with Lemiuex playing C if need be.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 11:16:46 GMT -5
Not getting a WR in such a loaded WR draft class Big Play Slay led the Giants with 740 receiving yards and eight touchdowns. What does that tell you about Sheppard and Tate.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 6, 2020 11:31:56 GMT -5
Not getting a WR in such a loaded WR draft class Big Play Slay led the Giants with 740 receiving yards and eight touchdowns. What does that tell you about Sheppard and Tate. KJ Hill lasted to the 7th round. IMO, major steal for the Chargers. No idea why he fell so far. He would easily replace Tate or Shep IMO. Love the kids elusiveness.
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Post by Delicreep on Jul 6, 2020 11:38:57 GMT -5
He had better put up Warren Sapp numbers this year to even sniff this ... I would handle him...differently. I would let him know there will be no further negotiation, and that we will need to look for another player to fill his role. To that end, he can expect to see his snaps reduced, and maybe not even be dressed for games as we try and find a player to move on with.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jul 6, 2020 13:35:16 GMT -5
He had better put up Warren Sapp numbers this year to even sniff this ... I would handle him...differently. I would let him know there will be no further negotiation, and that we will need to look for another player to fill his role. To that end, he can expect to see his snaps reduced, and maybe not even be dressed for games as we try and find a player to move on with. if they're going to do that, they may as well recind the franchise tag that he has not signed yet (at least I don't think I've seen that he's signed it, without looking specifically)
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Post by McCherry on Jul 6, 2020 13:38:24 GMT -5
Not getting a WR in such a loaded WR draft class Big Play Slay led the Giants with 740 receiving yards and eight touchdowns. What does that tell you about Sheppard and Tate. That they both missed significant playing time.
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