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Post by Delicreep on Jul 6, 2020 14:02:54 GMT -5
I would handle him...differently. I would let him know there will be no further negotiation, and that we will need to look for another player to fill his role. To that end, he can expect to see his snaps reduced, and maybe not even be dressed for games as we try and find a player to move on with. if they're going to do that, they may as well recind the franchise tag that he has not signed yet (at least I don't think I've seen that he's signed it, without looking specifically) I think he has, which is why I went that way. If not, they should pull it right now
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 6, 2020 14:09:23 GMT -5
if they're going to do that, they may as well recind the franchise tag that he has not signed yet (at least I don't think I've seen that he's signed it, without looking specifically) I think he has, which is why I went that way. If not, they should pull it right now He signed it on April 22. It was a ploy by the team which was more than stupid and seems to have backfired. The tag was for more money than they thought he was worth.
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Post by Delicreep on Jul 6, 2020 14:12:37 GMT -5
I think he has, which is why I went that way. If not, they should pull it right now He signed it on April 22. It was a ploy by the team which was more than stupid and seems to have backfired. The tag was for more money than they thought he was worth. Yeah...I had said that the day after FA starts, that deal should have been signed or it was automatically a bad deal. It's not getting any better with age. My move now would be to attempt to get him to want out of the tag. Limiting his reps in a a contract year is a bit underhanded, but it is what it is.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jul 6, 2020 16:22:06 GMT -5
He signed it on April 22. It was a ploy by the team which was more than stupid and seems to have backfired. The tag was for more money than they thought he was worth. Yeah...I had said that the day after FA starts, that deal should have been signed or it was automatically a bad deal. It's not getting any better with age. My move now would be to attempt to get him to want out of the tag. Limiting his reps in a a contract year is a bit underhanded, but it is what it is. once we are paying him the money, we should get everything we can out of him.
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Post by Kase1 on Jul 6, 2020 16:43:57 GMT -5
biggest regret....
- Not addressing Center - Passing on a pass rusher - Not addressing WR - Not moving forward with the Leonard Williams situation
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Post by McCherry on Jul 6, 2020 16:46:42 GMT -5
biggest regret.... - Not addressing Center- Passing on a pass rusher - Not addressing WR - Not moving forward with the Leonard Williams situation We did though.
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Post by Kase1 on Jul 6, 2020 16:52:48 GMT -5
biggest regret.... - Not addressing Center- Passing on a pass rusher - Not addressing WR - Not moving forward with the Leonard Williams situation We did though. I guess i would have preferred getting someone who is a natural center?? Im psyched to see Lemieux in the middle, but hes never taken a snap at C as far as i know
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 6, 2020 17:20:09 GMT -5
I guess i would have preferred getting someone who is a natural center?? Im psyched to see Lemieux in the middle, but hes never taken a snap at C as far as i know Yup.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 6, 2020 17:23:42 GMT -5
Not getting a WR in such a loaded WR draft class Big Play Slay led the Giants with 740 receiving yards and eight touchdowns. What does that tell you about Sheppard and Tate. KJ Hill lasted to the 7th round. IMO, major steal for the Chargers. No idea why he fell so far. He would easily replace Tate or Shep IMO. Love the kids elusiveness. Quez Watkins goes to the Eagles after we pick in the 6th
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Post by McCherry on Jul 6, 2020 17:29:33 GMT -5
I guess i would have preferred getting someone who is a natural center?? Im psyched to see Lemieux in the middle, but hes never taken a snap at C as far as I know Snapping the ball through your legs does not make you a Center. That part is teachable. It's what happens after the ball is snapped that matters. Halapio is a natural Center, who would you prefer?
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Post by southerner on Jul 6, 2020 17:30:32 GMT -5
Williams does a great job on the D-Line by clogging lanes and forcing double teams. He also helps stop the run. Like many D tackles he doesn’t get a lot of tackles, but his play forces runners to go somewhere they don’t want to. This article is obviously written by someone who knows little of football.
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Post by southerner on Jul 6, 2020 17:34:34 GMT -5
Williams does a great job on the D-Line by clogging lanes and forcing double teams. He also helps stop the run. Like many D tackles he doesn’t get a lot of tackles, but his play forces runners to go somewhere they don’t want to. This article is obviously written by someone who knows little of football. That said, had the Giants kept the pick and taken another offensive lineman, it would be good. In the end though the move could turn out great as next year’s salary cap could actually plummet, as 2020 is going to be a financial collapse for the owners.....if it wasn’t for their TV contract, there would be team bankruptcies all over the place. These bankrupt teams would survive, but the operations would be of an XFL team for quite a while.
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Post by McCherry on Jul 6, 2020 17:35:52 GMT -5
I thought for sure we'd take multiple WR's but not one of the local press asked Gettleman about that in post draft interviews.
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Post by JoeyCush on Jul 6, 2020 18:15:20 GMT -5
I guess i would have preferred getting someone who is a natural center?? Im psyched to see Lemieux in the middle, but hes never taken a snap at C as far as I know Snapping the ball through your legs does not make you a Center. That part is teachable. It's what happens after the ball is snapped that matters. Halapio is a natural Center, who would you prefer? Halapio was a Guard before NYG.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 18:34:02 GMT -5
Not getting a WR in such a loaded WR draft class Big Play Slay led the Giants with 740 receiving yards and eight touchdowns. What does that tell you about Sheppard and Tate. That they both missed significant playing time. Right.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 6, 2020 18:58:58 GMT -5
He had better put up Warren Sapp numbers this year to even sniff this ... How's he supposed to do that? Chad Clifton retired years ago. Maybe Williams can light up an unsuspecting QB right after an INT.
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 6, 2020 19:08:49 GMT -5
I guess i would have preferred getting someone who is a natural center?? Im psyched to see Lemieux in the middle, but hes never taken a snap at C as far as I know Snapping the ball through your legs does not make you a Center. That part is teachable. It's what happens after the ball is snapped that matters. Halapio is a natural Center, who would you prefer? How is halipio a "natural center?" He never played the position in the NFL before playing it for 2 whole games in 2018. Then he got hurt again in 2019, playing with one of the worst ols in the NFL. He still hasn't played a single full NFL season at center. How is he a natural?
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Post by McCherry on Jul 6, 2020 19:34:44 GMT -5
Snapping the ball through your legs does not make you a Center. That part is teachable. It's what happens after the ball is snapped that matters. Halapio is a natural Center, who would you prefer? How is halipio a "natural center?" He never played the position in the NFL before playing it for 2 whole games in 2018. Then he got hurt again in 2019, playing with one of the worst ols in the NFL. He still hasn't played a single full NFL season at center. How is he a natural? I thought he played some Center in NE before coming here. But this should only support the idea that Lemieux can also make the transition. Halapio and Richburg weren’t good at anything but handling the ball.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 6, 2020 20:00:52 GMT -5
Snapping the ball through your legs does not make you a Center. That part is teachable. It's what happens after the ball is snapped that matters. Halapio is a natural Center, who would you prefer? Halapio was a Guard before NYG. And he isnt a good C
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Post by McCherry on Jul 6, 2020 20:09:52 GMT -5
Halapio was a Guard before NYG. And he isnt a good C He wasn’t a good blocker, but he didn’t have any issues with snapping and setting. That’s why I’d rather have someone who can actually block. The other elements of playing center can clearly be taught.
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Post by southerner on Jul 6, 2020 21:23:19 GMT -5
Every guard was/is a center...everyone of them. There are those that are drafted as centers but they all played guard as well. It really isn’t that much different or tough, EXCEPT the center has to be one smart son of a gun.
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 6, 2020 22:33:39 GMT -5
Every guard was/is a center...everyone of them. There are those that are drafted as centers but they all played guard as well. It really isn’t that much different or tough, EXCEPT the center has to be one smart son of a gun. Yes. Not only being the captain of the ol, but also having to snap the ball while everyone else has that fraction of a second to react. Every center might have previously been a guard. But not many guards can be good centers.
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Post by JoeyCush on Jul 7, 2020 7:53:41 GMT -5
Every guard was/is a center...everyone of them. There are those that are drafted as centers but they all played guard as well. It really isn’t that much different or tough, EXCEPT the center has to be one smart son of a gun. Yes. Not only being the captain of the ol, but also having to snap the ball while everyone else has that fraction of a second to react. Every center might have previously been a guard. But not many guards can be good centers. You cant just take any mid round guard, move him to center and now you have a center. Centers are so important to the offense, calling out protections and line shifts. Like you said, starting the play with your hand between your legs and having to react faster after the snap. Lets also not forget how the snaps out of shotgun need to be perfect every single time. Im sure if you look back at the top centers right now, most if not all of them played some Center in college. Halapio didnt start at Center until he was 27. Lemieux hasnt taken a snap at Center yet either. So I will not agree when someone says that we "addressed" the Center position. Its just not the case. As it stands, Pulley or Halapio, if hes resigned, will be starting at Center this year, if there is a year.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 8:32:56 GMT -5
biggest regret.... - Not addressing Center - Passing on a pass rusher - Not addressing WR- Not moving forward with the Leonard Williams situation That WR was a mistake...and that early 3rd rounder we gave up for the pulp of Leonard Williams could of been a solid weapon. I felt the center position was rather void in FA and the draft...and after Chase Young, the pass rush was also weak. I think we're going to be happy with Lemieux...not sure if he can become a center this year, but I can see him settling in there. That early 3 we gave up was a huge mistake in such a deep WR class......
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Post by ukgiantsfan on Jul 8, 2020 9:10:10 GMT -5
The fact that we have no pass rush whatsoever worries the hell out of me ! We might be able to stop the run , but opposing QB's are going to have all day to wait and shred our weak secondary
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 8, 2020 9:59:40 GMT -5
biggest regret.... - Not addressing Center - Passing on a pass rusher - Not addressing WR- Not moving forward with the Leonard Williams situation That WR was a mistake...and that early 3rd rounder we gave up for the pulp of Leonard Williams could of been a solid weapon. I felt the center position was rather void in FA and the draft...and after Chase Young, the pass rush was also weak. I think we're going to be happy with Lemieux...not sure if he can become a center this year, but I can see him settling in there. That early 3 we gave up was a huge mistake in such a deep WR class...... When was Mims taken? Didn't he last past our original 3rd round pick?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 12:10:50 GMT -5
That WR was a mistake...and that early 3rd rounder we gave up for the pulp of Leonard Williams could of been a solid weapon. I felt the center position was rather void in FA and the draft...and after Chase Young, the pass rush was also weak. I think we're going to be happy with Lemieux...not sure if he can become a center this year, but I can see him settling in there. That early 3 we gave up was a huge mistake in such a deep WR class...... When was Mims taken? Didn't he last past our original 3rd round pick? As my Jet fan nephew reminds me every time I see him...2nd round.
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Post by Kase1 on Jul 8, 2020 18:13:04 GMT -5
I guess i would have preferred getting someone who is a natural center?? Im psyched to see Lemieux in the middle, but hes never taken a snap at C as far as I know Snapping the ball through your legs does not make you a Center. That part is teachable. It's what happens after the ball is snapped that matters. Halapio is a natural Center, who would you prefer? I wanted us to go after Connor McGovern in free agency or even look at someone like Cesar Ruiz, Tyler Biadasz, Lloyd Cushenberry or even Nick Harris in the draft. The past is the past, and all we can do is look forward. So IMO Lemieux is our best bet, but i support whoever we got
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Post by SG88 on Jul 9, 2020 22:01:37 GMT -5
Franchising Leonard Williams IMO. It was not a good idea to trade for him in the first place. It is always better to concede that you ****ed up and cut ties instead of doubling down on your bad idea. Feel free to disagree.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 9, 2020 23:58:03 GMT -5
Franchising Leonard Williams IMO. It was not a good idea to trade for him in the first place. It is always better to concede that you ****ed up and cut ties instead of doubling down on your bad idea. Feel free to disagree. I don't think it's possible to rationally disagree.
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