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Post by jimmieray on Jul 13, 2020 13:30:01 GMT -5
still not some magical elixir. On the field real game experience is better than a year off. Agreed ... and it presumes you have a good draft and don’t pull “a Baker” in the first.... Oh, no! Let's hope that doesn't become a coined phrase...
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Post by hof56lt on Jul 13, 2020 22:53:14 GMT -5
Thank you for this valuable information . If not for your medical background you would’ve been attacked by people on this board for recommending Hydroxychoriquine . I have done a little research and found Doctors had high success rates using combination of the following : Drug: Hydroxychloroquine 400mg twice a day (BID) on day 1, followed by 200mg BID for days 2-5 , Drug: Azithromycin 500mg on day 1, followed by 250mg once daily for days 2-5 and drug Zinc Sulfate. 220mg once daily for 5 days. So God bless you for offering a solution that flies in the face of mainstream media that has been promoting lies about the dangers of using these drugs for treatment. While I can’t imagine why anyone would listen to any media outlet for any constructive reason, particularly about medical treatments....I suppose there are a handful of dummies that do. More importantly, thank you to Guano for sharing his first hand experience with tested treatments as opposed to attempting to self diagnose and then guessing about what might work. Dr Gupta and Dr Fauci were interviewed on CNN and both were critical and downplayed hydroxychloroquine + zinc, a combination that has so far achieved an astonishing cure rate among coronavirus patients, because they’re trying to position their buddies in the vaccine industry to reap windfall profits from whatever vaccine they come up with, which will of course be heralded as the savior of humankind. And as far as dummies are concerned, it’s very unfortunate as you mention why someone would listen for any constructive reason particularly about medical treatments from these deep state doctors.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 13, 2020 23:32:43 GMT -5
While I can’t imagine why anyone would listen to any media outlet for any constructive reason, particularly about medical treatments....I suppose there are a handful of dummies that do. More importantly, thank you to Guano for sharing his first hand experience with tested treatments as opposed to attempting to self diagnose and then guessing about what might work. Dr Gupta and Dr Fauci were interviewed on CNN and both were critical and downplayed hydroxychloroquine + zinc, a combination that has so far achieved an astonishing cure rate among coronavirus patients, because they’re trying to position their buddies in the vaccine industry to reap windfall profits from whatever vaccine they come up with, which will of course be heralded as the savior of humankind. And as far as dummies are concerned it’s very unfortunate as you mention why anyone would listen for any constructive reason particularly about medical treatments from these deep state doctors. Good luck with the masks and vaccines.. Like I said, watch the news at your own risk. Clearly they're incorrect as I believe that the medical community has made great progress with the hydroxychloroquine cocktail and combinations of other drugs and things like zinc are proving to be effective. Whether a vaccine is created and whether one chooses to inoculate if it is, is a separate discussion. As is the rest of that; I'm well aware of the position but I'm not a buyer.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 14, 2020 12:20:23 GMT -5
Dr Gupta and Dr Fauci were interviewed on CNN and both were critical and downplayed hydroxychloroquine + zinc, a combination that has so far achieved an astonishing cure rate among coronavirus patients, because they’re trying to position their buddies in the vaccine industry to reap windfall profits from whatever vaccine they come up with, which will of course be heralded as the savior of humankind. And as far as dummies are concerned it’s very unfortunate as you mention why anyone would listen for any constructive reason particularly about medical treatments from these deep state doctors. Good luck with the masks and vaccines.. Like I said, watch the news at your own risk. Clearly they're incorrect as I believe that the medical community has made great progress with the hydroxychloroquine cocktail and combinations of other drugs and things like zinc are proving to be effective. Whether a vaccine is created and whether one chooses to inoculate if it is, is a separate discussion. As is the rest of that; I'm well aware of the position but I'm not a buyer. I personally don't see how a vaccine will be effective at all with this virus With how it is mutating We are better off concentrating on fighting the symptoms and reducing the severity for those at high risk or get a bad dose of this
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Post by McCherry on Jul 14, 2020 12:34:20 GMT -5
Dr Gupta and Dr Fauci were interviewed on CNN and both were critical and downplayed hydroxychloroquine + zinc, a combination that has so far achieved an astonishing cure rate among coronavirus patients, because they’re trying to position their buddies in the vaccine industry to reap windfall profits from whatever vaccine they come up with, which will of course be heralded as the savior of humankind. And as far as dummies are concerned it’s very unfortunate as you mention why anyone would listen for any constructive reason particularly about medical treatments from these deep state doctors. Good luck with the masks and vaccines.. Like I said, watch the news at your own risk. Clearly they're incorrect as I believe that the medical community has made great progress with the hydroxychloroquine cocktail and combinations of other drugs and things like zinc are proving to be effective. Whether a vaccine is created and whether one chooses to inoculate if it is, is a separate discussion. As is the rest of that; I'm well aware of the position but I'm not a buyer. True, but originally it was being touted by some as a preventative.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 14, 2020 13:59:47 GMT -5
Like I said, watch the news at your own risk. Clearly they're incorrect as I believe that the medical community has made great progress with the hydroxychloroquine cocktail and combinations of other drugs and things like zinc are proving to be effective. Whether a vaccine is created and whether one chooses to inoculate if it is, is a separate discussion. As is the rest of that; I'm well aware of the position but I'm not a buyer. True, but originally it was being touted by some as a preventative. I know. The POTUS didn't help by telling people he was taking it as a preventative. Personally I don't believe that at all but as long as he didn't have any negative side effects, it's meaningless now. It was never a preventative and it isn't one now. As a treatment it was untested, that may be why so many in the medical community pushed back on it earlier. Regardless, it's being used in real time now and is showing good results in some patients, that's great news. I agree with GL that a vaccine is unlikely and probably isn't really needed, given how this thing mutates, I agree that fighting the symptoms and reducing the severity for those at high risk or get a bad dose of this is a more practical approach.
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Post by McCherry on Jul 14, 2020 14:52:18 GMT -5
True, but originally it was being touted by some as a preventative. I know. The POTUS didn't help by telling people he was taking it as a preventative. Personally I don't believe that at all but as long as he didn't have any negative side effects, it's meaningless now. It was never a preventative and it isn't one now. As a treatment it was untested, that may be why so many in the medical community pushed back on it earlier. Regardless, it's being used in real time now and is showing good results in some patients, that's great news. I agree with GL that a vaccine is unlikely and probably isn't really needed, given how this thing mutates, I agree that fighting the symptoms and reducing the severity for those at high risk or get a bad dose of this is a more practical approach. This is why Science is the only institution left that I respect. it's entirely factually based, has no ego unlike politics, It's results are painstakingly analyzed by it's own community until it's mistakes are corrected. Any scientist will tell you great discoveries are the results of failing 1000 times before getting it right on the 1001st attempt.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 14, 2020 16:54:52 GMT -5
While I can’t imagine why anyone would listen to any media outlet for any constructive reason, particularly about medical treatments....I suppose there are a handful of dummies that do. More importantly, thank you to Guano for sharing his first hand experience with tested treatments as opposed to attempting to self diagnose and then guessing about what might work. Dr Gupta and Dr Fauci were interviewed on CNN and both were critical and downplayed hydroxychloroquine + zinc, a combination that has so far achieved an astonishing cure rate among coronavirus patients, because they’re trying to position their buddies in the vaccine industry to reap windfall profits from whatever vaccine they come up with, which will of course be heralded as the savior of humankind. And as far as dummies are concerned, it’s very unfortunate as you mention why someone would listen for any constructive reason particularly about medical treatments from these deep state doctors. a vaccine is not the same as a prescribed medicine to help with the symptoms of a virus etc. A vaccine will be made no matter what other drugs they have to combat the symptoms of the virus. I hate big Phara but I am also not going to dismiss Fauci or other medical professionals I feel are legit and above board. I certainly wont take my advice form someone who agrees and retweets Chuck Woolery I keep my tinfoil hat in the bottom drawer and dont take it out too often.
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Post by Jomo on Jul 14, 2020 18:09:38 GMT -5
I know. The POTUS didn't help by telling people he was taking it as a preventative. Personally I don't believe that at all but as long as he didn't have any negative side effects, it's meaningless now. It was never a preventative and it isn't one now. As a treatment it was untested, that may be why so many in the medical community pushed back on it earlier. Regardless, it's being used in real time now and is showing good results in some patients, that's great news. I agree with GL that a vaccine is unlikely and probably isn't really needed, given how this thing mutates, I agree that fighting the symptoms and reducing the severity for those at high risk or get a bad dose of this is a more practical approach. This is why Science is the only institution left that I respect. it's entirely factually based, has no ego unlike politics, It's results are painstakingly analyzed by it's own community until it's mistakes are corrected. Any scientist will tell you great discoveries are the results of failing 1000 times before getting it right on the 1001st attempt. Until Fauci told us all that masks are not necessary. He didn't tell us why. I wish I could stand with you on science but...........they are mostly in the tank with politicians.
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Post by McCherry on Jul 14, 2020 18:52:06 GMT -5
This is why Science is the only institution left that I respect. it's entirely factually based, has no ego unlike politics, It's results are painstakingly analyzed by it's own community until it's mistakes are corrected. Any scientist will tell you great discoveries are the results of failing 1000 times before getting it right on the 1001st attempt. Until Fauci told us all that masks are not necessary. He didn't tell us why. I wish I could stand with you on science but...........they are mostly in the tank with politicians. That was early March when Fauci was simply echoing what many others argued at that time, including the U.S. Surgeon General, WHO and the CDC. Since then, Fauci’s views and that of most organizations have changed, as more information became available about the disease and since have been adamant about wearing them for the past several months.
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 14, 2020 18:55:18 GMT -5
Until Fauci told us all that masks are not necessary. He didn't tell us why. I wish I could stand with you on science but...........they are mostly in the tank with politicians. That was early March when Fauci was simply echoing what many others argued at that time, including the U.S. Surgeon General, WHO and the CDC. Since then, Fauci’s views and that of most organizations have changed, as more information became available about the disease and since have been adamant about wearing them for the past several months. It was also done because at the time, masks were desperately needed for health care workers.
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Post by Jomo on Jul 14, 2020 18:58:46 GMT -5
Until Fauci told us all that masks are not necessary. He didn't tell us why. I wish I could stand with you on science but...........they are mostly in the tank with politicians. That was early March when Fauci was simply echoing what many others argued at that time, including the U.S. Surgeon General, WHO and the CDC. Since then, Fauci’s views and that of most organizations have changed, as more information became available about the disease and since have been adamant about wearing them for the past several months. He has since explained that he didn't trust us with the truth, imagine that?! The truth was that the masks were needed for first responders and medical personnel. I could deal with that and so could most of us, standing down for higher priority users of masks. I CAN'T DEAL with lies from people we are supposed to trust with the truth. Honestly, he is nothing to me at this point. Dirt! Let's get on with football...Go Giants!
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Post by McCherry on Jul 14, 2020 19:02:58 GMT -5
That was early March when Fauci was simply echoing what many others argued at that time, including the U.S. Surgeon General, WHO and the CDC. Since then, Fauci’s views and that of most organizations have changed, as more information became available about the disease and since have been adamant about wearing them for the past several months. He has since explained that he didn't trust us with the truth, imagine that?! The truth was that the masks were needed for first responders and medical personnel. I could deal with that and so could most of us, standing down for higher priority users of masks. I CAN'T DEAL with lies from people we are supposed to trust with the truth. Honestly, he is nothing to me at this point. Dirt! Let's get on with football...Go Giants! You'd have to show me that quote. Or what he was lying about.
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Post by Jomo on Jul 14, 2020 19:04:41 GMT -5
That was early March when Fauci was simply echoing what many others argued at that time, including the U.S. Surgeon General, WHO and the CDC. Since then, Fauci’s views and that of most organizations have changed, as more information became available about the disease and since have been adamant about wearing them for the past several months. It was also done because at the time, masks were desperately needed for health care workers. DD see my last post. How can any of us trust ANYTHING he says? He is a political animal like the rest of them. He waffles from one point and opinion to another. As a result, we need to look out first for ourselves and view with severe skepticism anything he says. I would call him a clown but that may be too severe. How about this, he is a senile old fool?
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Post by Jomo on Jul 14, 2020 19:06:25 GMT -5
He has since explained that he didn't trust us with the truth, imagine that?! The truth was that the masks were needed for first responders and medical personnel. I could deal with that and so could most of us, standing down for higher priority users of masks. I CAN'T DEAL with lies from people we are supposed to trust with the truth. Honestly, he is nothing to me at this point. Dirt! Let's get on with football...Go Giants! You'd have to show me that quote. Or what he was lying about. See Dandy Don's comment above. If it is really important to you, I can track it down for you or you can do it for yourself.
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Post by Jomo on Jul 14, 2020 19:08:56 GMT -5
Here it is from "The Hill"
He also acknowledged that masks were initially not recommended to the general public so that first responders wouldn’t feel the strain of a shortage of PPE.
He explained that public health experts "were concerned the public health community, and many people were saying this, were concerned that it was at a time when personal protective equipment, including the N95 masks and the surgical masks, were in very short supply.”
By early April, the Strategic National Stockpile had been depleted, and around the same time President Trump invoked the Defense Production Act to have manufacturing chains across the U.S. focus on making vital medical equipment such as ventilators and masks.
Fauci continued to say that they wanted to give as many masks as possible to front line workers and emergency personnel.
“We wanted to make sure that the people, namely the health care workers, who were brave enough to put themselves in a harm way, to take care of people who you know were infected with the coronavirus and the danger of them getting infected,” Fauci concluded.
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Post by Jomo on Jul 14, 2020 19:09:54 GMT -5
We (you, me and all that we hold dear) need to look out for ourselves and our families first.
We cannot count on any part of the government to do that.
This is nothing new for me but for those who have never stared reality in the face...............there it is!
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Post by McCherry on Jul 14, 2020 19:42:23 GMT -5
Here it is from "The Hill" He also acknowledged that masks were initially not recommended to the general public so that first responders wouldn’t feel the strain of a shortage of PPE. He explained that public health experts "were concerned the public health community, and many people were saying this, were concerned that it was at a time when personal protective equipment, including the N95 masks and the surgical masks, were in very short supply.” By early April, the Strategic National Stockpile had been depleted, and around the same time President Trump invoked the Defense Production Act to have manufacturing chains across the U.S. focus on making vital medical equipment such as ventilators and masks. Fauci continued to say that they wanted to give as many masks as possible to front line workers and emergency personnel. “We wanted to make sure that the people, namely the health care workers, who were brave enough to put themselves in a harm way, to take care of people who you know were infected with the coronavirus and the danger of them getting infected,” Fauci concluded. Fair enough. Although it's not you exact quote, he's only talking about what health experts were saying at the time. The public puts their crosshairs on him but Fauci is only a small part of the decision-making process. They've all been consistent with their message about using masks since then.
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Post by southerner on Jul 15, 2020 6:00:44 GMT -5
Like I said, watch the news at your own risk. Clearly they're incorrect as I believe that the medical community has made great progress with the hydroxychloroquine cocktail and combinations of other drugs and things like zinc are proving to be effective. Whether a vaccine is created and whether one chooses to inoculate if it is, is a separate discussion. As is the rest of that; I'm well aware of the position but I'm not a buyer. I personally don't see how a vaccine will be effective at all with this virus With how it is mutating We are better off concentrating on fighting the symptoms and reducing the severity for those at high risk or get a bad dose of this All viruses mutate, and always have. There will be a vaccine no later than December, but production of enough doses will take several months in the very least. By Next March we will be in full vaccination process. To suggest this virus is beyond any vaccination ignores centuries of scientific reality.
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Post by Delicreep on Jul 15, 2020 7:33:22 GMT -5
Here it is from "The Hill" He also acknowledged that masks were initially not recommended to the general public so that first responders wouldn’t feel the strain of a shortage of PPE. He explained that public health experts "were concerned the public health community, and many people were saying this, were concerned that it was at a time when personal protective equipment, including the N95 masks and the surgical masks, were in very short supply.” By early April, the Strategic National Stockpile had been depleted, and around the same time President Trump invoked the Defense Production Act to have manufacturing chains across the U.S. focus on making vital medical equipment such as ventilators and masks. Fauci continued to say that they wanted to give as many masks as possible to front line workers and emergency personnel. “We wanted to make sure that the people, namely the health care workers, who were brave enough to put themselves in a harm way, to take care of people who you know were infected with the coronavirus and the danger of them getting infected,” Fauci concluded. Fair enough. Although it's not you exact quote, he's only talking about what health experts were saying at the time. The public puts their crosshairs on him but Fauci is only a small part of the decision-making process. They've all been consistent with their message about using masks since then. How are you all doing?
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Post by Bigjeep on Jul 15, 2020 7:36:10 GMT -5
The joke is on him, as New York Giants fans we haven't had football in a couple of years Solder hasn't played football either in awhile!
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Post by Bigjeep on Jul 15, 2020 7:38:28 GMT -5
I personally don't see how a vaccine will be effective at all with this virus With how it is mutating We are better off concentrating on fighting the symptoms and reducing the severity for those at high risk or get a bad dose of this All viruses mutate, and always have. There will be a vaccine no later than December, but production of enough doses will take several months in the very least. By Next March we will be in full vaccination process. To suggest this virus is beyond any vaccination ignores centuries of scientific reality. News is a vaccination is in production now!
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Post by McCherry on Jul 16, 2020 11:46:59 GMT -5
Fair enough. Although it's not you exact quote, he's only talking about what health experts were saying at the time. The public puts their crosshairs on him but Fauci is only a small part of the decision-making process. They've all been consistent with their message about using masks since then. How are you all doing? I am feeling better today, wife is still up and down. Thanks for asking.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Jul 17, 2020 21:35:03 GMT -5
Well baseball is starting soon. So there is hope for a football season.
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Post by ocgiant on Jul 17, 2020 22:58:05 GMT -5
Nate, Nate, Nate so glad you can express yourself candidly on this upcoming season, something we have missed from your play on the field so far
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Post by giants8493 on Jul 19, 2020 12:42:29 GMT -5
I personally don't see how a vaccine will be effective at all with this virus With how it is mutating We are better off concentrating on fighting the symptoms and reducing the severity for those at high risk or get a bad dose of this All viruses mutate, and always have. There will be a vaccine no later than December, but production of enough doses will take several months in the very least. By Next March we will be in full vaccination process. To suggest this virus is beyond any vaccination ignores centuries of scientific reality. there are some viruses that still do not have vaccinations. Overall it takes forever to make a drug or vaccine. I was looking through the development process time line wise for an fda approval. If the perfect drug was invented right now the eta brought me to March 2021 for a full approval and that's using every acceleration mechanism possible. The good news is that most of these drugs have been in development since March so we probably won't have to wait that long.
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Post by McCherry on Jul 24, 2020 6:52:01 GMT -5
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Post by nick030567 on Jul 24, 2020 7:28:15 GMT -5
Do people not understand that if you do some basic math the survival rate currently sits at 99.96%? 0.036% have died in the US. That's with admittedly falsified death certificates (hospital get money when covid is on the death certificate). Do people not get how fantastic and exceptional of a survival rate??
People, and I'm referring to Solder in this instance, need to stop getting scared over death numbers and do some basic critical thinking. Don't just listen to the number, do the math. It gives context. This is really just another year on planet earth when it comes to this virus. It's tough for some but It's not the black plague. But I always think a cold or flu is tough. Especially when you have a weak immune system. In the past i'd get my ass kicked by a cold for weeks upon weeks. I ate very unhealthy, didn't exercise. I'm young, learned how to truly build my immune system organically(stopped using antibiotics and other harmful chemicals, they should only be used for true emergencies) and now I'm a completely different person. My body tends to shake things off in a couple days.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 7:44:39 GMT -5
Do people not understand that if you do some basic math the survival rate currently sits at 99.96%? 0.036% have died in the US. That's with admittedly falsified death certificates (hospital get money when covid is on the death certificate). Do people not get how fantastic and exceptional of a survival rate?? People, and I'm referring to Solder in this instance, need to stop getting scared over death numbers and do some basic critical thinking. Don't just listen to the number, do the math. It gives context. This is really just another year on planet earth when it comes to this virus. It's tough for some but It's not the black plague. But I always think a cold or flu is tough. Especially when you have a weak immune system. In the past i'd get my ass kicked by a cold for weeks upon weeks. I ate very unhealthy, didn't exercise. I'm young, learned how to truly build my immune system organically(stopped using antibiotics and other harmful chemicals, they should only be used for true emergencies) and now I'm a completely different person. My body tends to shake things off in a couple days. Maybe Solder is worried because his kid has been fighting cancer for 3 years running.
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Post by McCherry on Jul 24, 2020 8:07:21 GMT -5
Do people not understand that if you do some basic math the survival rate currently sits at 99.96%? 0.036% have died in the US. That's with admittedly falsified death certificates (hospital get money when covid is on the death certificate). Do people not get how fantastic and exceptional of a survival rate?? People, and I'm referring to Solder in this instance, need to stop getting scared over death numbers and do some basic critical thinking. Don't just listen to the number, do the math. It gives context. This is really just another year on planet earth when it comes to this virus. It's tough for some but It's not the black plague. But I always think a cold or flu is tough. Especially when you have a weak immune system. In the past i'd get my ass kicked by a cold for weeks upon weeks. I ate very unhealthy, didn't exercise. I'm young, learned how to truly build my immune system organically(stopped using antibiotics and other harmful chemicals, they should only be used for true emergencies) and now I'm a completely different person. My body tends to shake things off in a couple days. Your numbers aren't correct, but you didn't even read the tweet about Solder's unique situation.
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