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Post by Providence on Jul 24, 2020 9:13:08 GMT -5
Do people not understand that if you do some basic math the survival rate currently sits at 99.96%? 0.036% have died in the US. That's with admittedly falsified death certificates (hospital get money when covid is on the death certificate). Do people not get how fantastic and exceptional of a survival rate?? People, and I'm referring to Solder in this instance, need to stop getting scared over death numbers and do some basic critical thinking. Don't just listen to the number, do the math. It gives context. This is really just another year on planet earth when it comes to this virus. It's tough for some but It's not the black plague. But I always think a cold or flu is tough. Especially when you have a weak immune system. In the past i'd get my ass kicked by a cold for weeks upon weeks. I ate very unhealthy, didn't exercise. I'm young, learned how to truly build my immune system organically(stopped using antibiotics and other harmful chemicals, they should only be used for true emergencies) and now I'm a completely different person. My body tends to shake things off in a couple days. I was expecting this post to end with a link to a site where I could buy an organic immune-booster made of marmot thyroid that also combats erectile dysfunction.
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Post by jb456 on Jul 24, 2020 9:24:15 GMT -5
I would opt out without even considering it. Solder is already set up for life and would never forgive himself if he ended up hurting or killing his kid. Anyone who would give this guy crap about protecting his kid is pretty sick. In the end, football is a game or business and you shouldn't put it ahead of your family.. Also, what if he does opt out? What are the contract implications? I know the Giants wouldn't be on the hook for his salary but they were 100% planning on cutting this guy after this season. Could they still do that with the same dead cap hit that they would have had if he did play the season?
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Post by desertash on Jul 24, 2020 9:25:07 GMT -5
Do people not understand that if you do some basic math the survival rate currently sits at 99.96%? 0.036% have died in the US. That's with admittedly falsified death certificates (hospital get money when covid is on the death certificate). Do people not get how fantastic and exceptional of a survival rate?? People, and I'm referring to Solder in this instance, need to stop getting scared over death numbers and do some basic critical thinking. Don't just listen to the number, do the math. It gives context. This is really just another year on planet earth when it comes to this virus. It's tough for some but It's not the black plague. But I always think a cold or flu is tough. Especially when you have a weak immune system. In the past i'd get my ass kicked by a cold for weeks upon weeks. I ate very unhealthy, didn't exercise. I'm young, learned how to truly build my immune system organically(stopped using antibiotics and other harmful chemicals, they should only be used for true emergencies) and now I'm a completely different person. My body tends to shake things off in a couple days. bad math can't divide the unaffected by the total pop have to use actual numbers by infected
the division by total population is disingenuous and political in nature
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Post by jb456 on Jul 24, 2020 9:27:35 GMT -5
Do people not understand that if you do some basic math the survival rate currently sits at 99.96%? 0.036% have died in the US. That's with admittedly falsified death certificates (hospital get money when covid is on the death certificate). Do people not get how fantastic and exceptional of a survival rate?? People, and I'm referring to Solder in this instance, need to stop getting scared over death numbers and do some basic critical thinking. Don't just listen to the number, do the math. It gives context. This is really just another year on planet earth when it comes to this virus. It's tough for some but It's not the black plague. But I always think a cold or flu is tough. Especially when you have a weak immune system. In the past i'd get my ass kicked by a cold for weeks upon weeks. I ate very unhealthy, didn't exercise. I'm young, learned how to truly build my immune system organically(stopped using antibiotics and other harmful chemicals, they should only be used for true emergencies) and now I'm a completely different person. My body tends to shake things off in a couple days. Dude, if you have an underlying condition the mortality rate skyrockets. If the virus hit you like it hit me (Over 45 days to recover, severe weight-loss and difficulty breathing, you would be a lot more empathetic to Solder's situation...
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Post by desertash on Jul 24, 2020 9:27:51 GMT -5
I personally don't see how a vaccine will be effective at all with this virus With how it is mutating We are better off concentrating on fighting the symptoms and reducing the severity for those at high risk or get a bad dose of this All viruses mutate, and always have. There will be a vaccine no later than December, but production of enough doses will take several months in the very least. By Next March we will be in full vaccination process. To suggest this virus is beyond any vaccination ignores centuries of scientific reality. the only vaccine remotely effective against a coronavirus...in history...is the flu shot at 30% efficacy so yes, full steam ahead with all resources and they are indeed positive about the outcome so far
but this would be the first such vaccine IF it were truly effective
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Post by jb456 on Jul 24, 2020 9:31:48 GMT -5
Do people not understand that if you do some basic math the survival rate currently sits at 99.96%? 0.036% have died in the US. That's with admittedly falsified death certificates (hospital get money when covid is on the death certificate). Do people not get how fantastic and exceptional of a survival rate?? People, and I'm referring to Solder in this instance, need to stop getting scared over death numbers and do some basic critical thinking. Don't just listen to the number, do the math. It gives context. This is really just another year on planet earth when it comes to this virus. It's tough for some but It's not the black plague. But I always think a cold or flu is tough. Especially when you have a weak immune system. In the past i'd get my ass kicked by a cold for weeks upon weeks. I ate very unhealthy, didn't exercise. I'm young, learned how to truly build my immune system organically(stopped using antibiotics and other harmful chemicals, they should only be used for true emergencies) and now I'm a completely different person. My body tends to shake things off in a couple days. bad math can't divide the unaffected by the total pop have to use actual numbers by infected
the division by total population is disingenuous and political in nature
Agreed, you would use the infected. Now, if you took the total infected and divide by the total population, you would have the infection rate for the entire country, which is a valid statistic.(1.2% of the entire US population has had or has this virus ($4M / $331M). This Statistic could be compared with other countries to neutralize population differences.
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 24, 2020 9:56:57 GMT -5
Do people not understand that if you do some basic math the survival rate currently sits at 99.96%? 0.036% have died in the US. That's with admittedly falsified death certificates (hospital get money when covid is on the death certificate). Do people not get how fantastic and exceptional of a survival rate?? People, and I'm referring to Solder in this instance, need to stop getting scared over death numbers and do some basic critical thinking. Don't just listen to the number, do the math. It gives context. This is really just another year on planet earth when it comes to this virus. It's tough for some but It's not the black plague. But I always think a cold or flu is tough. Especially when you have a weak immune system. In the past i'd get my ass kicked by a cold for weeks upon weeks. I ate very unhealthy, didn't exercise. I'm young, learned how to truly build my immune system organically(stopped using antibiotics and other harmful chemicals, they should only be used for true emergencies) and now I'm a completely different person. My body tends to shake things off in a couple days. Dude, if you have an underlying condition the mortality rate skyrockets. If the virus hit you like it hit me (Over 45 days to recover, severe weight-loss and difficulty breathing, you would be a lot more empathetic to Solder's situation... If you don't mind me asking, did you have any of the conditions that have been reported to make people more susceptible to severe results from the virus?
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 24, 2020 10:13:49 GMT -5
Do people not understand that if you do some basic math the survival rate currently sits at 99.96%? 0.036% have died in the US. That's with admittedly falsified death certificates (hospital get money when covid is on the death certificate). Do people not get how fantastic and exceptional of a survival rate?? People, and I'm referring to Solder in this instance, need to stop getting scared over death numbers and do some basic critical thinking. Don't just listen to the number, do the math. It gives context. This is really just another year on planet earth when it comes to this virus. It's tough for some but It's not the black plague. But I always think a cold or flu is tough. Especially when you have a weak immune system. In the past i'd get my ass kicked by a cold for weeks upon weeks. I ate very unhealthy, didn't exercise. I'm young, learned how to truly build my immune system organically(stopped using antibiotics and other harmful chemicals, they should only be used for true emergencies) and now I'm a completely different person. My body tends to shake things off in a couple days. Are we seriously referring to a death rate as fantastic and exceptional? Yay America!
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 24, 2020 10:15:29 GMT -5
Do people not understand that if you do some basic math the survival rate currently sits at 99.96%? 0.036% have died in the US. That's with admittedly falsified death certificates (hospital get money when covid is on the death certificate). Do people not get how fantastic and exceptional of a survival rate?? People, and I'm referring to Solder in this instance, need to stop getting scared over death numbers and do some basic critical thinking. Don't just listen to the number, do the math. It gives context. This is really just another year on planet earth when it comes to this virus. It's tough for some but It's not the black plague. But I always think a cold or flu is tough. Especially when you have a weak immune system. In the past i'd get my ass kicked by a cold for weeks upon weeks. I ate very unhealthy, didn't exercise. I'm young, learned how to truly build my immune system organically(stopped using antibiotics and other harmful chemicals, they should only be used for true emergencies) and now I'm a completely different person. My body tends to shake things off in a couple days. I was expecting this post to end with a link to a site where I could buy an organic immune-booster made of marmot thyroid that also combats erectile dysfunction. It should come with a free calculator if you order by midnight tonight!
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Post by nick030567 on Jul 24, 2020 10:54:08 GMT -5
Do people not understand that if you do some basic math the survival rate currently sits at 99.96%? 0.036% have died in the US. That's with admittedly falsified death certificates (hospital get money when covid is on the death certificate). Do people not get how fantastic and exceptional of a survival rate?? People, and I'm referring to Solder in this instance, need to stop getting scared over death numbers and do some basic critical thinking. Don't just listen to the number, do the math. It gives context. This is really just another year on planet earth when it comes to this virus. It's tough for some but It's not the black plague. But I always think a cold or flu is tough. Especially when you have a weak immune system. In the past i'd get my ass kicked by a cold for weeks upon weeks. I ate very unhealthy, didn't exercise. I'm young, learned how to truly build my immune system organically(stopped using antibiotics and other harmful chemicals, they should only be used for true emergencies) and now I'm a completely different person. My body tends to shake things off in a couple days. bad math can't divide the unaffected by the total pop have to use actual numbers by infected
the division by total population is disingenuous and political in nature
I did precisely what you said. Look up infected vs those who have died. Pretty simple
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Post by nick030567 on Jul 24, 2020 10:56:00 GMT -5
Do people not understand that if you do some basic math the survival rate currently sits at 99.96%? 0.036% have died in the US. That's with admittedly falsified death certificates (hospital get money when covid is on the death certificate). Do people not get how fantastic and exceptional of a survival rate?? People, and I'm referring to Solder in this instance, need to stop getting scared over death numbers and do some basic critical thinking. Don't just listen to the number, do the math. It gives context. This is really just another year on planet earth when it comes to this virus. It's tough for some but It's not the black plague. But I always think a cold or flu is tough. Especially when you have a weak immune system. In the past i'd get my ass kicked by a cold for weeks upon weeks. I ate very unhealthy, didn't exercise. I'm young, learned how to truly build my immune system organically(stopped using antibiotics and other harmful chemicals, they should only be used for true emergencies) and now I'm a completely different person. My body tends to shake things off in a couple days. Are we seriously referring to a death rate as fantastic and exceptional? Yay America! Don't be a dumbass, you know exactly what I'm saying. You live in a world where death is certain. The world is full of viruses and bacteria, deadly animals etc; it's a dangerous planet. You all fear death and would thus let anyone control your lives under the guise of safety without questioning whether or not it's actually justifiable... Maybe you're not like that, but plenty are.
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Post by jb456 on Jul 24, 2020 11:03:21 GMT -5
Dude, if you have an underlying condition the mortality rate skyrockets. If the virus hit you like it hit me (Over 45 days to recover, severe weight-loss and difficulty breathing, you would be a lot more empathetic to Solder's situation... If you don't mind me asking, did you have any of the conditions that have been reported to make people more susceptible to severe results from the virus? No, it's the luck of the draw, everything is a percentage. Some people no symptoms, some slight, some flu like, Some more severe than the flu (boderline hospitalization) then Hospitalization then death. I fell into the higher end of that scale but can't complain since I wasn't in the hospital for too long and a lot of good people died. PS, I had the flu many times do to travel for work and while it kicks your butt for a few days, you never feel like that COVID.
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Post by McCherry on Jul 24, 2020 11:04:48 GMT -5
Are we seriously referring to a death rate as fantastic and exceptional? Yay America! Don't be a dumbass, you know exactly what I'm saying. You live in a world where death is certain. The world is full of viruses and bacteria, deadly animals etc; it's a dangerous planet. You all fear death and would thus let anyone control your lives under the guise of safety without questioning whether or not it's actually justifiable... Maybe you're not like that, but plenty are. Watch it, Skippy... Some members here have had the virus and are still experiencing symptoms. We don't need to be told what to be afraid of by some ignorant millennial who doesn't even have their basic facts correct. We were all your age once, and every generation thought they were smarter than everybody... Until we learned we weren't. ncovstats.live
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Post by jb456 on Jul 24, 2020 11:05:36 GMT -5
bad math can't divide the unaffected by the total pop have to use actual numbers by infected
the division by total population is disingenuous and political in nature
I did precisely what you said. Look up infected vs those who have died. Pretty simple Nah, your math is incorrect (That's all I do for a living). Its 140,000 (Deaths) / 4,000,000 (Infected) = 3.5% mortality rate. Oh and you did your death rate vs. total us population incorrectly also (It's 140,0000 / 331,000,000 = 0.042296%)
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Post by nick030567 on Jul 24, 2020 11:09:31 GMT -5
Do people not understand that if you do some basic math the survival rate currently sits at 99.96%? 0.036% have died in the US. That's with admittedly falsified death certificates (hospital get money when covid is on the death certificate). Do people not get how fantastic and exceptional of a survival rate?? People, and I'm referring to Solder in this instance, need to stop getting scared over death numbers and do some basic critical thinking. Don't just listen to the number, do the math. It gives context. This is really just another year on planet earth when it comes to this virus. It's tough for some but It's not the black plague. But I always think a cold or flu is tough. Especially when you have a weak immune system. In the past i'd get my ass kicked by a cold for weeks upon weeks. I ate very unhealthy, didn't exercise. I'm young, learned how to truly build my immune system organically(stopped using antibiotics and other harmful chemicals, they should only be used for true emergencies) and now I'm a completely different person. My body tends to shake things off in a couple days. Dude, if you have an underlying condition the mortality rate skyrockets. If the virus hit you like it hit me (Over 45 days to recover, severe weight-loss and difficulty breathing, you would be a lot more empathetic to Solder's situation... I'm not specifically referring to his situation. I do understand that. But he can always choose to sit out. They should make exceptions. But the facts are like I said man. Everyone with a pre-existing condition is more susceptible to die every year from new cold and flue strains. It's just the way the world is man. There's nothing you can do to change that..with that said it's still highly unlikely to actually occur. We all have to die at some point, we can only do so much to control that. I just don't want to see anymore lockdowns for this thing. I'm not a materialistic person.. but the facts are the economy and human life are synonymous. If there are multiple lockdowns the economic fallout could very well claim significantly more lives than this virus which has a low death rate. I don't want anyone getting sick and I'm not saying it's a walk in the park; but I also don't want to live in a world of surveillance contact tracing and fearing basic human interaction. I just don't see the point in living in such a dystopian world. I just ask for some context and not run away emotionalism.
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Post by jb456 on Jul 24, 2020 11:15:38 GMT -5
Dude, if you have an underlying condition the mortality rate skyrockets. If the virus hit you like it hit me (Over 45 days to recover, severe weight-loss and difficulty breathing, you would be a lot more empathetic to Solder's situation... I'm not specifically referring to his situation. I do understand that. But he can always choose to sit out. They should make exceptions. But the facts are like I said man. Everyone with a pre-existing condition is more susceptible to die every year from new cold and flue strains. It's just the way the world is man. There's nothing you can do to change that..with that said it's still highly unlikely to actually occur. We all have to die at some point, we can only do so much to control that. I just don't want to see anymore lockdowns for this thing. I'm not a materialistic person.. but the facts are the economy and human life are synonymous. If there are multiple lockdowns the economic fallout could very well claim significantly more lives than this virus which has a 0.036% death rate. It's a difficult balancing act. You can't have people stay home for too long or you won't have an economy to go back to and you can't go full bore 100%. It's not an easy situation to balance. I wouldn't want to make the decision about how many deaths are acceptable in order to salvage the economy. People are going to have to suck it up, social distance and wear a mask while going about their business. Their is no business as usual until a vaccine is available and more treatments can help save people.
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Post by McCherry on Jul 24, 2020 11:16:16 GMT -5
Dude, if you have an underlying condition the mortality rate skyrockets. If the virus hit you like it hit me (Over 45 days to recover, severe weight-loss and difficulty breathing, you would be a lot more empathetic to Solder's situation... I'm not specifically referring to his situation. I do understand that. But he can always choose to sit out. They should make exceptions. But the facts are like I said man. Everyone with a pre-existing condition is more susceptible to die every year from new cold and flue strains. It's just the way the world is man. There's nothing you can do to change that..with that said it's still highly unlikely to actually occur. We all have to die at some point, we can only do so much to control that. I just don't want to see anymore lockdowns for this thing. I'm not a materialistic person.. but the facts are the economy and human life are synonymous. If there are multiple lockdowns the economic fallout could very well claim significantly more lives than this virus which has a low death rate. I don't want anyone getting sick and I'm not saying it's a walk in the park; but I also don't want to live in a world of surveillance contact tracing and fearing basic human interaction. I just don't see the point in living in such a dystopian world. I just ask for some context and not run away emotionalism. Your facts aren't even close to correct.
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Post by nick030567 on Jul 24, 2020 11:18:29 GMT -5
I did precisely what you said. Look up infected vs those who have died. Pretty simple Nah, your math is incorrect (That's all I do for a living). Its 140,000 (Deaths) / 4,000,000 (Infected) = 3.5% mortality rate. Oh and you did your death rate vs. total us population incorrectly also (It's 140,0000 / 331,000,000 = 0.042296%) Oh my God I must've put in a extra digit. Facepalming so hard. I feel like a total buffoon. Well my point still stands. That makes sense because last I checked a month ago the death rate was 4%. I was shocked by it being so low. So sorry about that. Thank you so much for sticking to your point and proving me wrong!!!
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Post by nick030567 on Jul 24, 2020 11:20:07 GMT -5
I'm not specifically referring to his situation. I do understand that. But he can always choose to sit out. They should make exceptions. But the facts are like I said man. Everyone with a pre-existing condition is more susceptible to die every year from new cold and flue strains. It's just the way the world is man. There's nothing you can do to change that..with that said it's still highly unlikely to actually occur. We all have to die at some point, we can only do so much to control that. I just don't want to see anymore lockdowns for this thing. I'm not a materialistic person.. but the facts are the economy and human life are synonymous. If there are multiple lockdowns the economic fallout could very well claim significantly more lives than this virus which has a low death rate. I don't want anyone getting sick and I'm not saying it's a walk in the park; but I also don't want to live in a world of surveillance contact tracing and fearing basic human interaction. I just don't see the point in living in such a dystopian world. I just ask for some context and not run away emotionalism. Your facts aren't even close to correct. How so? Do we not live in a world where death is a given? Full of viruses, deadly bacteria, etc. You do know 1.5 million died of TB a couple years ago right? Why no lockdown then? What about in 09 with H1N1? Just as serious as this virus, yet no lockdown.
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Post by jb456 on Jul 24, 2020 11:29:50 GMT -5
Your facts aren't even close to correct. How so? Do we not live in a world where death is a given? Full of viruses, deadly bacteria, etc. You do know 1.5 million died of TB a couple years ago right? Why no lockdown then? What about in 09 with H1N1? Just as serious as this virus, yet no lockdown. This is much worse than H1N1, which had a total of about 12,000 US deaths with no lockdown. If the US didn't lockdown at all, we would have Millions of dead. Right now, there are 140,000 with lockdowns and who the hell knows whats going to happen during flu season. We need that vaccine......
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Post by Jomo on Jul 24, 2020 11:37:38 GMT -5
I did precisely what you said. Look up infected vs those who have died. Pretty simple Nah, your math is incorrect (That's all I do for a living). Its 140,000 (Deaths) / 4,000,000 (Infected) = 3.5% mortality rate. Oh and you did your death rate vs. total us population incorrectly also (It's 140,0000 / 331,000,000 = 0.042296%) One of the problems (I do data analysis for a living) is that math is rigorous (of course) but the source numbers here are not. The death count is the best one but even that is squishy. Death with or death from COVID?? Death, assumed COVID? And that is the strongest #. The # infected is just a number.............number testing positive? We hear that many of the tests are up to 20% inaccurate. Unless we test the entire population in a very short period of time, with a test that is accurate to the high 90% range, the # infected is useful data for health professionals but worthless in a math equation. We have heard that there could be as many as 30m who've been infected. That would change the math wouldn't it? I am just rambling on how everyone should be suspicious when people try pinning you down based on irrefutable math. PS the numbers can lie if reported without context. None of this has anything to do with how we should all be dealing with this menace. We should treat as a highly contagious, deadly virus and stay as separated as possible until a vaccine emerges and be particularly protective of the elderly and sick.
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Post by nick030567 on Jul 24, 2020 11:46:43 GMT -5
How so? Do we not live in a world where death is a given? Full of viruses, deadly bacteria, etc. You do know 1.5 million died of TB a couple years ago right? Why no lockdown then? What about in 09 with H1N1? Just as serious as this virus, yet no lockdown. This is much worse than H1N1, which had a total of about 12,000 US deaths with no lockdown. If the US didn't lockdown at all, we would have Millions of dead. Right now, there are 140,000 with lockdowns and who the hell knows whats going to happen during flu season. We need that vaccine...... Not true, Sweden did not lockdown and they're pretty much on par with us. You guys know that the RT-PCR and IgG tests just test for antibodies right? Which are produced through numerous immune responses?? There are a lot of false positives as a result, it's important to know Plus what about the TB deaths? And it is indeed true that even a common cold can seriously harm an elderly person, irreparably. They can have serious difficulty breathing after a bad cold and it caused further complications down the road. It's really not anything different. That's why getting old sucks. Or just getting a bad autoimmune disease from something in your environment or something you put in your body.
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Post by McCherry on Jul 24, 2020 11:55:28 GMT -5
I wish we could just talk football....
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Post by jb456 on Jul 24, 2020 11:56:38 GMT -5
Nah, your math is incorrect (That's all I do for a living). Its 140,000 (Deaths) / 4,000,000 (Infected) = 3.5% mortality rate. Oh and you did your death rate vs. total us population incorrectly also (It's 140,0000 / 331,000,000 = 0.042296%) One of the problems (I do data analysis for a living) is that math is rigorous (of course) but the source numbers here are not. The death count is the best one but even that is squishy. Death with or death from COVID?? Death, assumed COVID? And that is the strongest #. The # infected is just a number.............number testing positive? We hear that many of the tests are up to 20% inaccurate. Unless we test the entire population in a very short period of time, with a test that is accurate to the high 90% range, the # infected is useful data for health professionals but worthless in a math equation. We have heard that there could be as many as 30m who've been infected. That would change the math wouldn't it? I am just rambling on how everyone should be suspicious when people try pinning you down based on irrefutable math. PS the numbers can lie if reported without context. None of this has anything to do with how we should all be dealing with this menace. We should treat as a highly contagious, deadly virus and stay as separated as possible until a vaccine emerges and be particularly protective of the elderly and sick. The numbers I presented are government figures that a accepted from both sides of the political spectrum. These are the best numbers that we have to work with and it took me a grand total of 1 minuted to calculate both of my percentages (This isn't an exaggeration). Of course, these numbers might be a bit overstated due to several reasons but there isn't any reason to consider them bad. If you want to say + or - 10%, I wouldn't think that's unreasonable. Plus, I believe the death rate % that I calculated (3.5%) is in line or slightly better than other countries, which you can use as a high level sense check. Also, I agree that everyone should social distance at this point just out of respect for our elders.
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Post by nick030567 on Jul 24, 2020 12:00:16 GMT -5
I did precisely what you said. Look up infected vs those who have died. Pretty simple And still you managed to get it wrong. Who says there's a shortage of good old american determination? Yes I accidentally put in an extra digit. My point still stands. Doesn't make my point null. It's the same as someone accidentally typing your instead of you're
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Post by nick030567 on Jul 24, 2020 12:01:11 GMT -5
I wish we could just talk football.... I'd be fine with that personally. Hard to though without any football on. I've tried getting discussion going in the past on giants history but they pretty much fizzle out pretty fast.
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Jul 24, 2020 12:01:42 GMT -5
Do people not understand that if you do some basic math the survival rate currently sits at 99.96%? 0.036% have died in the US. That's with admittedly falsified death certificates (hospital get money when covid is on the death certificate). Do people not get how fantastic and exceptional of a survival rate?? People, and I'm referring to Solder in this instance, need to stop getting scared over death numbers and do some basic critical thinking. Don't just listen to the number, do the math. It gives context. This is really just another year on planet earth when it comes to this virus. It's tough for some but It's not the black plague. But I always think a cold or flu is tough. Especially when you have a weak immune system. In the past i'd get my ass kicked by a cold for weeks upon weeks. I ate very unhealthy, didn't exercise. I'm young, learned how to truly build my immune system organically(stopped using antibiotics and other harmful chemicals, they should only be used for true emergencies) and now I'm a completely different person. My body tends to shake things off in a couple days. bad math can't divide the unaffected by the total pop have to use actual numbers by infected
the division by total population is disingenuous and political in nature Not getting into the politics of it, but the survival rate numbers he presents are for estimated infected. The case fatality rate (deaths of confirmed cases) was very high early on partially because only the very ill were getting tested. So a very high percentage of your mild or asymptomatic cases were never recorded in the case load. Antibody data suggests that the actual number of people infected with the virus may actually be up to 10X the number of confirmed cases. And that is assuming that all people exposed/infected react to the virus by producing antibodies. They are now learning that a large number of people with mild cases, or have had consistent low level exposures are fighting off the virus without producing antibodies, but simply through the body's initial immune response. Similar to how the body fights off other coronaviruses it is exposed to daily. None of this is to say that Solder is wrong to opt out, given the way this virus seems to effect the immunocompromised, it makes sense. Just pointing out that the numbers he is citing have been reported in recent studies. It should, however, be noted that even a 0.03% fatality rate for a virus that seems to be more contagious than the flu creates a big public health threat just because of the sheer volume of people that can contract it.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 24, 2020 12:07:43 GMT -5
Are we seriously referring to a death rate as fantastic and exceptional? Yay America! Don't be a dumbass, you know exactly what I'm saying. You live in a world where death is certain. The world is full of viruses and bacteria, deadly animals etc; it's a dangerous planet. You all fear death and would thus let anyone control your lives under the guise of safety without questioning whether or not it's actually justifiable... Maybe you're not like that, but plenty are. How many? I agree that many would trade their freedom for the appearance of safety but I doubt it's a majority although I understand we must pretend it is for that moronic trope to have legs. You all fear death and would thus let anyone control your lives under the guise of safety without questioning whether or not it's actually justifiable...is one of the most moronic things - and one of those completely unquantifiable opinions - that I've read recently, but that's probably only because I don't have a Facebook, Youtube or Twitter account. I would have liked a few odes to critical thinking and sheeple references thrown in as they're usually in the top three talking points from that handbook. If the point is that this country can't stay locked down forever, I agree completely. America needs to get back to work, and it can't happen soon enough. But I don't think attempting to insult people's intelligence is the way to get that dialogue going.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 24, 2020 12:10:41 GMT -5
And still you managed to get it wrong. Who says there's a shortage of good old american determination? Yes I accidentally put in an extra digit. My point still stands. Doesn't make my point null. It's the same as someone accidentally typing your instead of you're I just saw that, I hadn't read ahead. I deleted my post as it was clearly unnecessary. My apologies.
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Post by jb456 on Jul 24, 2020 12:13:20 GMT -5
This is much worse than H1N1, which had a total of about 12,000 US deaths with no lockdown. If the US didn't lockdown at all, we would have Millions of dead. Right now, there are 140,000 with lockdowns and who the hell knows whats going to happen during flu season. We need that vaccine...... Not true, Sweden did not lockdown and they're fine in terms of death rate. I mean they're pretty much on par with us. You guys know that the tests just test for antibodies right? Which are produced through multiple immune responses?? There are a lot of false positives as a result, it's important to know Sweden shouldn't ever be compared to the US in any meaningful way. Sweden has a population of 10 Million and the US has 331 Million. Sweden isn't as diverse and older by an average of 3 years, which can impact decision making / maturity. Sweden's largest city has a population under 1 Million with a population density of 13,000 per square mile while New York City has a population of 8.3 Million with a population density of 28,300 per square mile. I'm sure you wouldn't dispute the increased likelihood of contagion with such a massive disparity is population density.
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