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Post by Kruunch on Sept 21, 2020 5:09:49 GMT -5
Is fed up a grade? And can we stop with the “we’ll win next week.” Nonsense? I heard that prior to the Steelers game, then the Bears game. Might as well go with the trifecta. We couldn’t beat the lowly Bears, that offense of theirs is pathetic. But now, we’ll beat a 49ers team that has half their roster injured.
4 straight seasons of starting off 0-2. 7 out of the last 8 years to be exact. Let that sink in.. We have become a franchise that holds moral victories above wins. And openly is thankful we aren’t the Jets.
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Post by Roswell on Sept 21, 2020 6:12:44 GMT -5
There’s a lot of fight in this team. That reflects well on the coaches I’m assuming the changes made at halftime gave them a chance. That reflects well on the coaches. They will be a good team by the end of this season. And they will win this Sunday. Ros...That was a mediocre team that played poorly who we lost to. You’re right. But you’ve watched as much football as me. In the mid 60s and the entire 70’s the Giants did just enough to lose. The Mendenhall and Gregory Giants, the Ron Johnson Giants, just teams that knew how to lose. Same deal in the 90s. Losing teams do just enough to lose. I mean, yesterday. Bears ball. Fourth and short. They throw a pass. It hits off a Giant defender and an Olineman catches it for a first down and the Bears run more time off the clock. These kinds of things happen to teams that find ways to lose. There will be games, especially now without Barkley, where they will be overmatched. But right now they are a well coached team that needs time to gel. I’m assuming they made good halftime adjustments, something I haven’t assumed in many years. The players know their assignments. They play hard. Yeah, they’ll lose a bunch at the end of games because they’re young and the little mistakes add up but I see real reason to be encouraged. The Bears put up 21 in the 4th quarter the week before so their confidence was sky high coming in and it showed on their first 2 or 3 drives. After that? Not much. Watch the Giants this week vs a really banged up 9er team. And then watch the young team as they start to see some legit progress, not only on the field, but on the scoreboard as well.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 21, 2020 6:42:24 GMT -5
Is fed up a grade? And can we stop with the “we’ll win next week.” Nonsense? I heard that prior to the Steelers game, then the Bears game. Might as well go with the trifecta. We couldn’t beat the lowly Bears, that offense of theirs is pathetic. But now, we’ll beat a 49ers team that has half their roster injured. 4 straight seasons of starting off 0-2. 7 out of the last 8 years to be exact. Let that sink in.. We have become a franchise that holds moral victories above wins. And openly is thankful we aren’t the Jets. read my grading.....I feel your pain
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Post by GameTime on Sept 21, 2020 6:48:32 GMT -5
I'm not sure how much longer I can continue to watch this shit organization and justify to my wife fall Sundays are for football. Come to think of it, I won't. I dont think int organization is shit but I have left Sundays open in the past few years on and off. If this keeps up I will bail on watching the games live but will always watch the game even if recorded.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 21, 2020 6:56:33 GMT -5
Don’t really understand the poor Defense grades. Only gave up 17 points (3 of which were off a Jones turnover) and pitched a shutout in the second half. Too many long runs and first downs eating up huge amounts of clock. Bears had the ball for 9+ minutes more. The D was a huge part of the problem regardless of the score. With that said the offense is just as much to blame. Plenty to go around
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Post by GameTime on Sept 21, 2020 6:59:05 GMT -5
Defense showed up and played quite well, while the offense is pitiful. BS.....poor tackling and gave up too many first downs. The Bears had the ball for 9+ minutes more then the Giants. The D was not good despite the low score. I agree the O was uninspired and Mr. Jones, while aggressive, is still coughing it up. the offense was bad as well.
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Post by nick030567 on Sept 21, 2020 7:00:19 GMT -5
I am not sure what coaching did to deserve C-! Look what they have to work with plus that they never had a regular preseason to prepare and learn who is capable of what. Yet, we are not talking how bad the play calling was and that it was not creating anything other than a dink and dunk for 3 yards as in the past. Having a real OC perhaps will be a big difference as the season progresses. I actually saw Garret coaching the QB and his Offense in the sidelines and giving them directions. How many times did we see that with Mcdoodoo or Shurmur? Mcddodoo was busy reading the Denny's menu and Shurmur was busy making the wrong calls and looking perplexed. Personally, so far I do not think coaching is the biggest problem we have. The fact that they have not had a chance to have a real offseason workouts is. You cannot evaluate talent and what they are capable of doing by holding Skype or Zoom sessions. I think coaching Is the biggest reason they've held their own against two really good veteran teams. People have sub short memories. Last year was the worst coaching performance I had ever seen in terms of play calling on both sides of the ball. It was up there with McAdoo levels of stupidity. It looked like they literally did the opposite of what would hell the players exceed. Thus far I see a good mix of man and zone usage on d. What did we see ALL last season??? Bettcher playing his press corners 10 yards off receivers like 90% of the time. We were screaming for balance. Guess what? I've seen some good balanced play calling with Graham. I see the complaints about the 3 man rush...well I also saw Fewell, Spags, john fox, Belichick and many other decent to great defensive minds make that same annoying call on 3rd down. It either works terribly or great when you do that on 3rd and long.
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Post by nick030567 on Sept 21, 2020 7:02:22 GMT -5
Ros...That was a mediocre team that played poorly who we lost to. You’re right. But you’ve watched as much football as me. In the mid 60s and the entire 70’s the Giants did just enough to lose. The Mendenhall and Gregory Giants, the Ron Johnson Giants, just teams that knew how to lose. Same deal in the 90s. Losing teams do just enough to lose. I mean, yesterday. Bears ball. Fourth and short. They throw a pass. It hits off a Giant defender and an Olineman catches it for a first down and the Bears run more time off the clock. These kinds of things happen to teams that find ways to lose. There will be games, especially now without Barkley, where they will be overmatched. But right now they are a well coached team that needs time to gel. I’m assuming they made good halftime adjustments, something I haven’t assumed in many years. The players know their assignments. They play hard. Yeah, they’ll lose a bunch at the end of games because they’re young and the little mistakes add up but I see real reason to be encouraged. The Bears put up 21 in the 4th quarter the week before so their confidence was sky high coming in and it showed on their first 2 or 3 drives. After that? Not much. Watch the Giants this week vs a really banged up 9er team. And then watch the young team as they start to see some legit progress, not only on the field, but on the scoreboard as well. There's really nothing wrong with how they tipped the ball, it's just a matter of chance. Not nearly as bad as losing to a walk off 63 yard field goal lol. That was the official sign that the 2017 season was ****ed lol
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Sept 21, 2020 7:11:33 GMT -5
Is fed up a grade? And can we stop with the “we’ll win next week.” Nonsense? I heard that prior to the Steelers game, then the Bears game. Might as well go with the trifecta. We couldn’t beat the lowly Bears, that offense of theirs is pathetic. But now, we’ll beat a 49ers team that has half their roster injured. 4 straight seasons of starting off 0-2. 7 out of the last 8 years to be exact. Let that sink in.. We have become a franchise that holds moral victories above wins. And openly is thankful we aren’t the Jets. Except the Jets, like last year, will probably finished with a better record than us. We are the Jets that we think we are happy we are not.
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Post by bizcliz on Sept 21, 2020 7:33:30 GMT -5
I'm torn on grades here.
Yes, the game was disappointing as all losses are - but this is the 2nd game of a brand new regime with one of the youngest teams in the NFL....with no preseason.
There were the obvious disappointments: bad run calls, no offense in the first half, bad run defense in the second half
But there were somethings to like: pass rush, defense making plays in the 2nd half (0 points allowed), the drive down the field at the end of the game and the general effort they played with.
This team is going to be out-gunned by damn near every team that they play this season - so as long as Judge has them playing effort ball, then I can't get too upset.
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Post by lasion2 on Sept 21, 2020 7:38:36 GMT -5
Wake me up when this year starts going in a different direction than a lot of people saw the year going.
With the exception of losing Barkley this is going as expected.
I’m surprised only in that the secondary is better than I envisioned while the dline is worse against the run than I thought. Which I consider a wash.
No alarm bells and no celebrations for me until after the bye week, earliest.
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 21, 2020 7:53:10 GMT -5
Wake me up when this year starts going in a different direction than a lot of people saw the year going. With the exception of losing Barkley this is going as expected. I’m surprised only in that the secondary is better than I envisioned while the dline is worse against the run than I thought. Which I consider a wash. No alarm bells and no celebrations for me until after the bye week, earliest. It is basically what I expected. Not what I hoped, and it still sucks watching it. I did think we had a chance against the bears. And it turns out we actually did.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 7:58:02 GMT -5
I saw some of the game but not closely enough to grade it, but what I saw aligns closest to Game Time's review. The positive aspects which I saw in game 1 were not there today. Jones was not sharp. The constant runs into the box with the run game early on took me back to years past. And Graham's defensive calls left me scratching my head as well. I take nothing positive from this game except maybe the improved performance by Evan Engram. I thought the lack of penalties 3 for 20 yards was something the team has not done in a long time. It is a sign of a disciplined team. Boomer just said something interesting. It seems throughout the league the refs aren’t calling as many penalties and sort of letting the game flow. It’s interesting because I watched a lot of games and it does feel that way
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 8:01:26 GMT -5
There’s a lot of fight in this team. That reflects well on the coaches I’m assuming the changes made at halftime gave them a chance. That reflects well on the coaches. They will be a good team by the end of this season. And they will win this Sunday. If there is no Johnny G or Kittle our chances improve
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Post by TEM on Sept 21, 2020 8:01:40 GMT -5
I thought the lack of penalties 3 for 20 yards was something the team has not done in a long time. It is a sign of a disciplined team. Boomer just said something interesting. It seems throughout the league the refs aren’t calling as many penalties and sort of letting the game flow. It’s interesting because I watched a lot of games and it does feel that way I have seen a fair share of penalties. A lot of holding calls .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 8:11:50 GMT -5
The one knock I have on Judge is not suiting up Gallman. When SQB went down we had one running back left. Lewis is not an every down back. He went 10 carries for 20 yards averaging 2 yards a carry
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 8:20:34 GMT -5
I thought the lack of penalties 3 for 20 yards was something the team has not done in a long time. It is a sign of a disciplined team. Boomer just said something interesting. It seems throughout the league the refs aren’t calling as many penalties and sort of letting the game flow. It’s interesting because I watched a lot of games and it does feel that way That is so true and it does make the games better to watch..
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Post by jaymas on Sept 21, 2020 8:24:32 GMT -5
Garrett is still a problem IMO. Dallas offense got so much better when he lost play call duties. This is simply not true haha. Garrett's time as offensive playcaller from 2007 through 2012, had the Dallas offense ranked 3rd, 13th, 2nd, 7th, 11th, and 6th. One of those years Kitna was his QB and he dealt with Romo injuries a lot. After that the cowboys were: 16th, 7th, 22nd, 5th, 14th, 22nd, 1st, 2nd. So not shockingly, pretty similar. It's almost as if an offensive head coach who installed the philosophy had a direct effect on his offense considering how samey those runs are. But whatever helps you feel better after a loss.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 8:27:46 GMT -5
Garrett is still a problem IMO. Dallas offense got so much better when he lost play call duties. This is simply not true haha. Garrett's time as offensive playcaller from 2007 through 2012, had the Dallas offense ranked 3rd, 13th, 2nd, 7th, 11th, and 6th. One of those years Kitna was his QB and he dealt with Romo injuries a lot. After that the cowboys were: 16th, 7th, 22nd, 5th, 14th, 22nd, 1st, 2nd. So not shockingly, pretty similar. It's almost as if an offensive head coach who installed the philosophy had a direct effect on his offense considering how samey those runs are. But whatever helps you feel better after a loss. I don’t blame Garrett. The offense wasn’t Vanilla at all. It’s the execution and the lack of time DJ had to sit in the pocket.
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Post by mikethenygfan on Sept 21, 2020 8:32:57 GMT -5
Is fed up a grade? And can we stop with the “we’ll win next week.” Nonsense? I heard that prior to the Steelers game, then the Bears game. Might as well go with the trifecta. We couldn’t beat the lowly Bears, that offense of theirs is pathetic. But now, we’ll beat a 49ers team that has half their roster injured. 4 straight seasons of starting off 0-2. 7 out of the last 8 years to be exact. Let that sink in.. We have become a franchise that holds moral victories above wins. And openly is thankful we aren’t the Jets. this team needs to be blown up trade anyone we can get value for and draft nothing but offensive lineman until this oline is fixed. The oline had been dragging us down for years i am so sick of it. This should prove to everyone it was not elis fault, eli could still play and the giants let him down with shitty ol play year after year.
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Post by piddy283 on Sept 21, 2020 8:47:50 GMT -5
Improvements: - OL: They weren't good, but were improved from week 1. Besides his first run, Barkley was able to get to the LOS before having to dodge defenders, and Jones had time more often than not. This unit should only get better the more they play. By the end of the season, I won't be surprised if Center is our only real need going into the off-season.
- Pass Rush/Front 7: Getting better, and definitely better than most expected coming into the season. We have a foundation in place. If we can add a bonafide pass rusher next off-season that will go a long way in solidifying the front 7 for years to come.
- Bardberry: Hell of a game. It seemed anytime there was a good play, he was involved. Solid pickup....sure would be nice to seem him and Baker playing alongside each other.
Regression: - Jones: I don't know if it can be called regression because he's consistently bad in this regard, but Jones simply needs to get better with ball security. I came around on liking the Jones pick because of the potential he's shown, but his turnovers have not improved whatsoever and they're completely crippling. That first fumble was mind-boggling to watch. He pump faked the ball to a wide open WR who would've gotten a 1st down, then proceeds to hold the ball with one hand next to his ear like he's carrying a pizza. He has to be better.
- WR's: They're very average. I'm a big Shep fan, and I like Slayton, but both are #2's or #3's. We need a legit #1WR to scare defenses. Right now, our WR's can stretch the field consistently, and seem to get little separation running their routes. DJ is having to throw into coverage too often, and our OL is having to hold blocks for too long.
- Play Calling: I don't have specifics, but I felt yesterday was very vanilla. I'm hoping to re-watch the game to get a better feel.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 21, 2020 8:50:54 GMT -5
Garrett is still a problem IMO. Dallas offense got so much better when he lost play call duties. This is simply not true haha. Garrett's time as offensive playcaller from 2007 through 2012, had the Dallas offense ranked 3rd, 13th, 2nd, 7th, 11th, and 6th. One of those years Kitna was his QB and he dealt with Romo injuries a lot. After that the cowboys were: 16th, 7th, 22nd, 5th, 14th, 22nd, 1st, 2nd. So not shockingly, pretty similar. It's almost as if an offensive head coach who installed the philosophy had a direct effect on his offense considering how samey those runs are. But whatever helps you feel better after a loss. Are you saying he didnt call the offense 2012-2018? Im pretty sure its just the last 2 years he was stripped of his play calling duties?
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Post by McCherry on Sept 21, 2020 10:27:18 GMT -5
Improvements: - OL: They weren't good, but were improved from week 1. Besides his first run, Barkley was able to get to the LOS before having to dodge defenders, and Jones had time more often than not. This unit should only get better the more they play. By the end of the season, I won't be surprised if Center is our only real need going into the off-season. - Pass Rush/Front 7: Getting better, and definitely better than most expected coming into the season. We have a foundation in place. If we can add a bonafide pass rusher next off-season that will go a long way in solidifying the front 7 for years to come. - Bardberry: Hell of a game. It seemed anytime there was a good play, he was involved. Solid pickup....sure would be nice to seem him and Baker playing alongside each other. Regression: - Jones: I don't know if it can be called regression because he's consistently bad in this regard, but Jones simply needs to get better with ball security. I came around on liking the Jones pick because of the potential he's shown, but his turnovers have not improved whatsoever and they're completely crippling. That first fumble was mind-boggling to watch. He pump faked the ball to a wide open WR who would've gotten a 1st down, then proceeds to hold the ball with one hand next to his ear like he's carrying a pizza. He has to be better. - WR's: They're very average. I'm a big Shep fan, and I like Slayton, but both are #2's or #3's. We need a legit #1WR to scare defenses. Right now, our WR's can stretch the field consistently, and seem to get little separation running their routes. DJ is having to throw into coverage too often, and our OL is having to hold blocks for too long. - Play Calling: I don't have specifics, but I felt yesterday was very vanilla. I'm hoping to re-watch the game to get a better feel. Jones is struggling to learn the offense. His decisions aren't as quick and crisp as last year. His pump fakes are evident of that, he and Garrett need to find their chemistry. Now that the line is run blocking and pass protecting better I think you'll see improvement. Play calling isn't spectacular, I think Garrett is also rusty and learning on the job. Slayton isnt a legit #1. He's a limited deep route runner, not a dominant WR who can beat a defense all over the field.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 21, 2020 10:27:41 GMT -5
This is simply not true haha. Garrett's time as offensive playcaller from 2007 through 2012, had the Dallas offense ranked 3rd, 13th, 2nd, 7th, 11th, and 6th. One of those years Kitna was his QB and he dealt with Romo injuries a lot. After that the cowboys were: 16th, 7th, 22nd, 5th, 14th, 22nd, 1st, 2nd. So not shockingly, pretty similar. It's almost as if an offensive head coach who installed the philosophy had a direct effect on his offense considering how samey those runs are. But whatever helps you feel better after a loss. Are you saying he didnt call the offense 2012-2018? Im pretty sure its just the last 2 years he was stripped of his play calling duties? That's wrong.
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Post by bizcliz on Sept 21, 2020 11:17:22 GMT -5
Improvements: - OL: They weren't good, but were improved from week 1. Besides his first run, Barkley was able to get to the LOS before having to dodge defenders, and Jones had time more often than not. This unit should only get better the more they play. By the end of the season, I won't be surprised if Center is our only real need going into the off-season. - Pass Rush/Front 7: Getting better, and definitely better than most expected coming into the season. We have a foundation in place. If we can add a bonafide pass rusher next off-season that will go a long way in solidifying the front 7 for years to come. - Bardberry: Hell of a game. It seemed anytime there was a good play, he was involved. Solid pickup....sure would be nice to seem him and Baker playing alongside each other. Regression: - Jones: I don't know if it can be called regression because he's consistently bad in this regard, but Jones simply needs to get better with ball security. I came around on liking the Jones pick because of the potential he's shown, but his turnovers have not improved whatsoever and they're completely crippling. That first fumble was mind-boggling to watch. He pump faked the ball to a wide open WR who would've gotten a 1st down, then proceeds to hold the ball with one hand next to his ear like he's carrying a pizza. He has to be better. - WR's: They're very average. I'm a big Shep fan, and I like Slayton, but both are #2's or #3's. We need a legit #1WR to scare defenses. Right now, our WR's can stretch the field consistently, and seem to get little separation running their routes. DJ is having to throw into coverage too often, and our OL is having to hold blocks for too long. - Play Calling: I don't have specifics, but I felt yesterday was very vanilla. I'm hoping to re-watch the game to get a better feel. Jones is struggling to learn the offense. His decisions aren't as quick and crisp as last year. His pump fakes are evident of that, he and Garrett need to find their chemistry. Now that the line is run blocking and pass protecting better I think you'll see improvement. Play calling isn't spectacular, I think Garrett is also rusty and learning on the job. Slayton isnt a legit #1. He's a limited deep route runner, not a dominant WR who can beat a defense all over the field. It makes sense given it's his 2nd game with a limited training camp and no preseason to work on it. There's only so much you can absorb by reading a playbook
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 21, 2020 11:28:48 GMT -5
Don’t really understand the poor Defense grades. Only gave up 17 points (3 of which were off a Jones turnover) and pitched a shutout in the second half. Too many long runs and first downs eating up huge amounts of clock. Bears had the ball for 9+ minutes more. The D was a huge part of the problem regardless of the score. With that said the offense is just as much to blame. Plenty to go around Fair enough, but no way they deserve less than a C
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Post by GameTime on Sept 21, 2020 11:30:34 GMT -5
Too many long runs and first downs eating up huge amounts of clock. Bears had the ball for 9+ minutes more. The D was a huge part of the problem regardless of the score. With that said the offense is just as much to blame. Plenty to go around Fair enough, but no way they deserve less than a C In your view ok. In my view the whole team was terrible overall yesterday. Not saying I'm right its just how I viewed the game.
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Post by jaymas on Sept 21, 2020 11:39:58 GMT -5
This is simply not true haha. Garrett's time as offensive playcaller from 2007 through 2012, had the Dallas offense ranked 3rd, 13th, 2nd, 7th, 11th, and 6th. One of those years Kitna was his QB and he dealt with Romo injuries a lot. After that the cowboys were: 16th, 7th, 22nd, 5th, 14th, 22nd, 1st, 2nd. So not shockingly, pretty similar. It's almost as if an offensive head coach who installed the philosophy had a direct effect on his offense considering how samey those runs are. But whatever helps you feel better after a loss. Are you saying he didnt call the offense 2012-2018? Im pretty sure its just the last 2 years he was stripped of his play calling duties? Hadn't called plays since 2012. Bill Callahan and Scott Linehan did, and then Kellen Moore. Bigger takeaway is, it's always been his offense, his influence as the head coach and an offensive guy, no matter the playcaller, the results were usually similar and positive.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 21, 2020 11:52:48 GMT -5
Like I said, I didn't watch this one close enough to even notice.
I was just very disappointed in the start of the game and never got the feeling the Giants could or would win despite the score being so close.
I really thought we were going to pull it out on that last drive. So did I. Even the flag on the last play, I thought that was going to give us another shot.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 21, 2020 12:56:06 GMT -5
Are you saying he didnt call the offense 2012-2018? Im pretty sure its just the last 2 years he was stripped of his play calling duties? That's wrong. So who was calling the plays after 2012? I always though it was Garrett until Moore came in.
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