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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 21, 2020 12:57:24 GMT -5
Are you saying he didnt call the offense 2012-2018? Im pretty sure its just the last 2 years he was stripped of his play calling duties? Hadn't called plays since 2012. Bill Callahan and Scott Linehan did, and then Kellen Moore. Bigger takeaway is, it's always been his offense, his influence as the head coach and an offensive guy, no matter the playcaller, the results were usually similar and positive. Gotcha.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 21, 2020 14:15:37 GMT -5
Too many long runs and first downs eating up huge amounts of clock. Bears had the ball for 9+ minutes more. The D was a huge part of the problem regardless of the score. With that said the offense is just as much to blame. Plenty to go around Fair enough, but no way they deserve less than a C Fair enough, I have come to realize I'm a harsh grader. You start the game at a C and it goes from there. Given the opponent, Trubisky's struggles to throw a decent pass and the Chicago run game pretty much having its way, it didn't seem to me that the defense did anything that noteworthy yesterday other than the periods of time I mentioned.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 21, 2020 15:37:04 GMT -5
Fair enough, but no way they deserve less than a C Fair enough, I have come to realize I'm a harsh grader. You start the game at a C and it goes from there. Given the opponent, Trubisky's struggles to throw a decent pass and the Chicago run game pretty much having its way, it didn't seem to me that the defense did anything that noteworthy yesterday other than the periods of time I mentioned. The game was essentially won by Chicago on those 3 plays where Montgomery gouged us for huge gains.
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Post by DJones19 on Sept 21, 2020 17:24:13 GMT -5
B- grade from me. The team competed, they fought hard, it was competitive...for me it was a moral victory. The team did not fold after the captain was carted off. I'm feeling for Barkley but AP's recovery from a similar injury gives me hope.
Barkley left it all on the field, big effort...maybe too much. After I saw him hurdling defenders all over the field against Pittsburgh and getting blasted by unblocked 300+ pound men...I began to get worried about his health. Maybe he can use this time to work with Tiki...it took Tiki a few years to develop into a great.
I didn't have high expectations coming into this season. 2 close games.
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 21, 2020 17:38:58 GMT -5
Fair enough, but no way they deserve less than a C Fair enough, I have come to realize I'm a harsh grader. You start the game at a C and it goes from there. Given the opponent, Trubisky's struggles to throw a decent pass and the Chicago run game pretty much having its way, it didn't seem to me that the defense did anything that noteworthy yesterday other than the periods of time I mentioned. Glad that I am not your student!
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Sept 21, 2020 18:05:32 GMT -5
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 21, 2020 18:10:05 GMT -5
What the hell is a “Kwillies”? The author who made that up should be thrown into traffic. Not killed of course, just hurt..
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Sept 21, 2020 18:15:23 GMT -5
What the hell is a “Kwillies”? The author who made that up should be thrown into traffic. Not killed of course, just hurt.. Kwillies could be renamed the DJ special. A perfect combo of really good and really awful. Jones is turning it to an art.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 21, 2020 19:24:55 GMT -5
What the hell is a “Kwillies”? The author who made that up should be thrown into traffic. Not killed of course, just hurt.. Ed came up with that term. But it's Ed and he's awesome so I'll give him a break. There are many other reporters I'd rather see hurt before good old Ed.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 21, 2020 19:26:58 GMT -5
What the hell is a “Kwillies”? The author who made that up should be thrown into traffic. Not killed of course, just hurt.. Ed came up with that term. But it's Ed and he's awesome so I'll give him a break. There are many other reporters I'd rather see hurt before good old Ed. You mean like Michael Eisen? He could fall into a black hole and I wouldn’t shed a tear.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 21, 2020 19:33:56 GMT -5
Amoeba defense — I don’t know what Joe Judge and defensive coordinator Patrick Graham were thinking with their “Amoeba” defense that brought Nate Ebner and Sean Chandler onto the field in several third-down situations. I hope they don’t think it again.
Ebner is a special teams player who had played one (yes, ONE) defensive snap in three years prior to Sunday. Chandler is a backup safety activated off the practice squad to help the Giants’ special teams.
The Bears were 9 of 16 (56 percent) on third-down conversions and made their only fourth-down try.
Judge and Graham know far more football than I do. My $.02, though, is that when the strength of your defense is its defensive line, you can’t take ALL of the defensive linemen off the field and put in players who shouldn’t be part of your defense.
Yeah......dont do this anymore....
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 21, 2020 19:53:21 GMT -5
Ed came up with that term. But it's Ed and he's awesome so I'll give him a break. There are many other reporters I'd rather see hurt before good old Ed. You mean like Michael Eisen? He could fall into a black hole and I wouldn’t shed a tear. Paul Dotino
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 21, 2020 19:55:51 GMT -5
You mean like Michael Eisen? He could fall into a black hole and I wouldn’t shed a tear. Paul Dotino He’s such a homer. The Giants could lose 765-2 and Paul would find positives from the game.
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Post by Roosevelt on Sept 21, 2020 20:45:08 GMT -5
Defense showed up and played quite well, while the offense is pitiful.
The defense basically gave up 2 TD's on the first two drives, but the receiver failed to hold on to a perfectly placed pass in the end zone.
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Post by yoho on Sept 21, 2020 21:12:30 GMT -5
Game time and Sarcasm man. No objectivity in your assessments. Your emotions are showing through. To not see that this team is improving over last year is just plain ridiculous. Your are expecting way too much from this team given the new regime, New systems, New players, and the covid shortened or lack of a preseason. Jones is still learning how to be a pro QB. The O-line needs time to gel. The defense needs more time together. It will take time, but already we have a pass rush, which we didn't have last year at all. We are moving the ball and trading field position, which is keeping us close in games. Special teams are playing well. In game coaching decisions are solid. Your grades are not realistic at all!
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Post by giantsalmon on Sept 21, 2020 21:15:53 GMT -5
I haven't been a DG basher, and impartial observers have felt we fleeced the Browns with that Odell trade. Its still too early to tell if that will work out there. That being said, drafting Baker has turned out to be even worse than drafting Eli Apple. The scouts that handle Cornerbacks need to be shown the door. I was on this forum perplexed how NYG went into this season without adding a quality WR or a Center. I am rooting for Gates but I did not understand that. Lastly, watching Ballentine get spun around reminds me of the beginning of last season and that poor stable of DBs. I do agree with some that this team will be far better by seasons end, and that DJ is the least of our problems. The way the first two games went, in the recent past those would have been blowout losses. The D will keep improving and I'm looking forward to getting McKinney back.
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Post by Roswell on Sept 21, 2020 22:13:57 GMT -5
Fair enough, I have come to realize I'm a harsh grader. You start the game at a C and it goes from there. Given the opponent, Trubisky's struggles to throw a decent pass and the Chicago run game pretty much having its way, it didn't seem to me that the defense did anything that noteworthy yesterday other than the periods of time I mentioned. Glad that I am not your student! We are all students of Sarcasman. Hell, on closer inspection, you might even be considered a disciple. 😎
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 22, 2020 5:14:49 GMT -5
He’s such a homer. The Giants could lose 765-2 and Paul would find positives from the game. And he is literally wrong about everything...in an arrogant and condescending way. Reminds me of a certain poster....
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 22, 2020 5:16:27 GMT -5
Game time and Sarcasm man. No objectivity in your assessments. Your emotions are showing through. To not see that this team is improving over last year is just plain ridiculous. Your are expecting way too much from this team given the new regime, New systems, New players, and the covid shortened or lack of a preseason. Jones is still learning how to be a pro QB. The O-line needs time to gel. The defense needs more time together. It will take time, but already we have a pass rush, which we didn't have last year at all. We are moving the ball and trading field position, which is keeping us close in games. Special teams are playing well. In game coaching decisions are solid. Your grades are not realistic at all! You are basically asking them to grade on a curve. That’s not how it works in the NFL
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Post by GameTime on Sept 22, 2020 6:01:30 GMT -5
Game time and Sarcasm man. No objectivity in your assessments. Your emotions are showing through. To not see that this team is improving over last year is just plain ridiculous. Your are expecting way too much from this team given the new regime, New systems, New players, and the covid shortened or lack of a preseason. Jones is still learning how to be a pro QB. The O-line needs time to gel. The defense needs more time together. It will take time, but already we have a pass rush, which we didn't have last year at all. We are moving the ball and trading field position, which is keeping us close in games. Special teams are playing well. In game coaching decisions are solid. Your grades are not realistic at all! Yeah I get all that. I was grading with some emotion because even with all the reasons for them not to be winning they had the chance to win these last two games. I totally think Jones will be a very good NFL QB for years to come but he HAS to reign in the turnovers. Its that simple. He did protect the ball on a few hard hits and that great. His pocket awareness is better so far to a degree. I'm not grading like they are a upper leave team I am grading them on "yeah they could have and should have scored more than 17 points vs the Bears". I question the uninspired offensive play calls. The D formations with 7 DBs on the field. The D held the point s total down but missing tackles and letting Montgomery run free to keep the clock running is not a scheme issue its a tackling issue. The Bears had the ball for over 34 minutes. Thats on the offense too but the D could not get off the field. Trubisky is tossing up ducks and they are hitting their mark somehow. The TD he threw after the scramble was a lame ass pass that was in the air forever yet Ballentine was still late getting their. BTW I am not a Balletine hater like some. The kid is a 5th round pick who should not probably be starting but is because of the current CB situation we have. Add in the fact he got shot in the ass and his good friend was killed right next to him to start his NFL career. I really like the coaches and I do see improvement but that does not let the off the hook. If Judge and company don't get a handful of wins this will be hard for him to hold together.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 22, 2020 6:03:04 GMT -5
Game time and Sarcasm man. No objectivity in your assessments. Your emotions are showing through. To not see that this team is improving over last year is just plain ridiculous. Your are expecting way too much from this team given the new regime, New systems, New players, and the covid shortened or lack of a preseason. Jones is still learning how to be a pro QB. The O-line needs time to gel. The defense needs more time together. It will take time, but already we have a pass rush, which we didn't have last year at all. We are moving the ball and trading field position, which is keeping us close in games. Special teams are playing well. In game coaching decisions are solid. Your grades are not realistic at all! You are basically asking them to grade on a curve. That’s not how it works in the NFL well there is a bit of a curve but not too much. Cant grade them same as you would the Chiefs for example. I'd say for me its more emotion and wanting them to win more than do I think the will/can win.
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Post by Fletch842 on Sept 22, 2020 6:38:38 GMT -5
Game time and Sarcasm man. No objectivity in your assessments. Your emotions are showing through. To not see that this team is improving over last year is just plain ridiculous. Your are expecting way too much from this team given the new regime, New systems, New players, and the covid shortened or lack of a preseason. Jones is still learning how to be a pro QB. The O-line needs time to gel. The defense needs more time together. It will take time, but already we have a pass rush, which we didn't have last year at all. We are moving the ball and trading field position, which is keeping us close in games. Special teams are playing well. In game coaching decisions are solid. Your grades are not realistic at all! Yeah I get all that. I was grading with some emotion because even with all the reasons for them not to be winning they had the chance to win these last two games. I totally think Jones will be a very good NFL QB for years to come but he HAS to reign in the turnovers. Its that simple. He did protect the ball on a few hard hits and that great. His pocket awareness is better so far to a degree. I'm not grading like they are a upper leave team I am grading them on "yeah they could have and should have scored more than 17 points vs the Bears". I question the uninspired offensive play calls. The D formations with 7 DBs on the field. The D held the point s total down but missing tackles and letting Montgomery run free to keep the clock running is not a scheme issue its a tackling issue. The Bears had the ball for over 34 minutes. Thats on the offense too but the D could not get off the field. Trubisky is tossing up ducks and they are hitting their mark somehow. The TD he threw after the scramble was a lame ass pass that was in the air forever yet Ballentine was still late getting their. BTW I am not a Balletine hater like some. The kid is a 5th round pick who should not probably be starting but is because of the current CB situation we have. Add in the fact he got shot in the ass and his good friend was killed right next to him to start his NFL career. I really like the coaches and I do see improvement but that does not let the off the hook. If Judge and company don't get a handful of wins this will be hard for him to hold together. not to nit pick, but I think it's actually an 8 db formation, not 7. They refer to that as the amoeba, right? Should be called mystery, like its a mystery why they run it...
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 22, 2020 6:44:04 GMT -5
You are basically asking them to grade on a curve. That’s not how it works in the NFL well there is a bit of a curve but not too much. Cant grade them same as you would the Chiefs for example. I'd say for me its more emotion and wanting them to win more than do I think the will/can win. Look, they’re 12-38 in their last 50 games, so most of us are tired of hearing about moral victories and improvement. It’s time to start winning games. I know that Judge is brand new to this, so it’s not his fault, but a lot are losing patience, and rightfully so.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 22, 2020 6:49:29 GMT -5
well there is a bit of a curve but not too much. Cant grade them same as you would the Chiefs for example. I'd say for me its more emotion and wanting them to win more than do I think the will/can win. Look, they’re 12-38 in their last 50 games, so most of us are tired of hearing about moral victories and improvement. It’s time to start winning games. I know that Judge is brand new to this, so it’s not his fault, but a lot are losing patience, and rightfully so. To be fair, didn't you and others argue with me that this season wasn't about winning and that 6-10 would considered be an improvement?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 7:09:19 GMT -5
Yeah I get all that. I was grading with some emotion because even with all the reasons for them not to be winning they had the chance to win these last two games. I totally think Jones will be a very good NFL QB for years to come but he HAS to reign in the turnovers. Its that simple. He did protect the ball on a few hard hits and that great. His pocket awareness is better so far to a degree. I'm not grading like they are a upper leave team I am grading them on "yeah they could have and should have scored more than 17 points vs the Bears". I question the uninspired offensive play calls. The D formations with 7 DBs on the field. The D held the point s total down but missing tackles and letting Montgomery run free to keep the clock running is not a scheme issue its a tackling issue. The Bears had the ball for over 34 minutes. Thats on the offense too but the D could not get off the field. Trubisky is tossing up ducks and they are hitting their mark somehow. The TD he threw after the scramble was a lame ass pass that was in the air forever yet Ballentine was still late getting their. BTW I am not a Balletine hater like some. The kid is a 5th round pick who should not probably be starting but is because of the current CB situation we have. Add in the fact he got shot in the ass and his good friend was killed right next to him to start his NFL career. I really like the coaches and I do see improvement but that does not let the off the hook. If Judge and company don't get a handful of wins this will be hard for him to hold together. not to nit pick, but I think it's actually an 8 db formation, not 7. They refer to that as the amoeba, right? Should be called mystery, like its a mystery why they run it...So perfect!! Thanks for the morning laugh and perfectly summing this up!
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Post by GameTime on Sept 22, 2020 7:12:46 GMT -5
Yeah I get all that. I was grading with some emotion because even with all the reasons for them not to be winning they had the chance to win these last two games. I totally think Jones will be a very good NFL QB for years to come but he HAS to reign in the turnovers. Its that simple. He did protect the ball on a few hard hits and that great. His pocket awareness is better so far to a degree. I'm not grading like they are a upper leave team I am grading them on "yeah they could have and should have scored more than 17 points vs the Bears". I question the uninspired offensive play calls. The D formations with 7 DBs on the field. The D held the point s total down but missing tackles and letting Montgomery run free to keep the clock running is not a scheme issue its a tackling issue. The Bears had the ball for over 34 minutes. Thats on the offense too but the D could not get off the field. Trubisky is tossing up ducks and they are hitting their mark somehow. The TD he threw after the scramble was a lame ass pass that was in the air forever yet Ballentine was still late getting their. BTW I am not a Balletine hater like some. The kid is a 5th round pick who should not probably be starting but is because of the current CB situation we have. Add in the fact he got shot in the ass and his good friend was killed right next to him to start his NFL career. I really like the coaches and I do see improvement but that does not let the off the hook. If Judge and company don't get a handful of wins this will be hard for him to hold together. not to nit pick, but I think it's actually an 8 db formation, not 7. They refer to that as the amoeba, right? Should be called mystery, like its a mystery why they run it... ha ha..yes....I couldnt remember if it was 7 or 8. I knew it was more than 5...lol
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 7:15:54 GMT -5
He’s such a homer. The Giants could lose 765-2 and Paul would find positives from the game. I tune out when he comes on so I don't hurt my hand punching the radio..
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Post by GameTime on Sept 22, 2020 7:16:18 GMT -5
well there is a bit of a curve but not too much. Cant grade them same as you would the Chiefs for example. I'd say for me its more emotion and wanting them to win more than do I think the will/can win. Look, they’re 12-38 in their last 50 games, so most of us are tired of hearing about moral victories and improvement. It’s time to start winning games. I know that Judge is brand new to this, so it’s not his fault, but a lot are losing patience, and rightfully so. thats why I get so emotional because I am sick of losing. You take Mac, Shurmur and Judge and you cant lump them all together but as fans we do. At then end of this season if DJ is not a more than 90% sure thing as a franchise QB and this team is not competitive then its been a failure for DG. If those two things are met then he did his job no matter how frustrating or how crazy the journey was.
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Post by Roosevelt on Sept 22, 2020 7:39:44 GMT -5
Yeah I get all that. I was grading with some emotion because even with all the reasons for them not to be winning they had the chance to win these last two games. I totally think Jones will be a very good NFL QB for years to come but he HAS to reign in the turnovers. Its that simple. He did protect the ball on a few hard hits and that great. His pocket awareness is better so far to a degree. I'm not grading like they are a upper leave team I am grading them on "yeah they could have and should have scored more than 17 points vs the Bears". I question the uninspired offensive play calls. The D formations with 7 DBs on the field. The D held the point s total down but missing tackles and letting Montgomery run free to keep the clock running is not a scheme issue its a tackling issue. The Bears had the ball for over 34 minutes. Thats on the offense too but the D could not get off the field. Trubisky is tossing up ducks and they are hitting their mark somehow. The TD he threw after the scramble was a lame ass pass that was in the air forever yet Ballentine was still late getting their. BTW I am not a Balletine hater like some. The kid is a 5th round pick who should not probably be starting but is because of the current CB situation we have. Add in the fact he got shot in the ass and his good friend was killed right next to him to start his NFL career. I really like the coaches and I do see improvement but that does not let the off the hook. If Judge and company don't get a handful of wins this will be hard for him to hold together. not to nit pick, but I think it's actually an 8 db formation, not 7. They refer to that as the amoeba, right? Should be called mystery, like its a mystery why they run it... There was one play where Chicago seemed unfazed by the amoeba and just ran their play which left our guys chasing to match up and try and stop them. Needless to say I don’t want to see that formation again.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 22, 2020 7:53:22 GMT -5
Game time and Sarcasm man. No objectivity in your assessments. Your emotions are showing through. To not see that this team is improving over last year is just plain ridiculous. Your are expecting way too much from this team given the new regime, New systems, New players, and the covid shortened or lack of a preseason. Jones is still learning how to be a pro QB. The O-line needs time to gel. The defense needs more time together. It will take time, but already we have a pass rush, which we didn't have last year at all. We are moving the ball and trading field position, which is keeping us close in games. Special teams are playing well. In game coaching decisions are solid. Your grades are not realistic at all! Yeah I get all that. I was grading with some emotion because even with all the reasons for them not to be winning they had the chance to win these last two games. I totally think Jones will be a very good NFL QB for years to come but he HAS to reign in the turnovers. Its that simple. He did protect the ball on a few hard hits and that great. His pocket awareness is better so far to a degree. I'm not grading like they are a upper leave team I am grading them on "yeah they could have and should have scored more than 17 points vs the Bears". I question the uninspired offensive play calls. The D formations with 7 DBs on the field. The D held the point s total down but missing tackles and letting Montgomery run free to keep the clock running is not a scheme issue its a tackling issue. The Bears had the ball for over 34 minutes. Thats on the offense too but the D could not get off the field. Trubisky is tossing up ducks and they are hitting their mark somehow. The TD he threw after the scramble was a lame ass pass that was in the air forever yet Ballentine was still late getting their. BTW I am not a Balletine hater like some. The kid is a 5th round pick who should not probably be starting but is because of the current CB situation we have. Add in the fact he got shot in the ass and his good friend was killed right next to him to start his NFL career. I really like the coaches and I do see improvement but that does not let the off the hook. If Judge and company don't get a handful of wins this will be hard for him to hold together. Carl Banks talked about this being on the coaches for not making in game adjustments. When Montgomery comes in, you have to know where the play is going. On the 3 big runs in the first half the defense was playing off the line and never adjusted. He talked about the staff being young college guys who don't have the experience yet. Meanwhile alot of fans here were blaming the players and giving all the credit to the coaching. They made adjustments and shut the Bears down, but the damage was done and the deficit was ultimately too hard to overcome. The coaching during the game has to improve. Jones has problems with ball handling, not decisions and execution. You want him to stay aggressive, this third down flip to Lewis as he was getting tackled was his the best play in the game. That alone kept us alive.
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