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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 28, 2021 11:39:23 GMT -5
So much for team leverage. Soon to be New England Patriot qb DeShawn Watson ..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 12:28:20 GMT -5
So much for team leverage. Soon to be New England Patriot qb DeShawn Watson .. It was reported on the radio (wfan or espn) that the Jets are his top choice..
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 28, 2021 12:30:35 GMT -5
Soon to be New England Patriot qb DeShawn Watson .. I was reported on the radio (wfan or espn) that the Jets are his top choice.. Which would work out perfectly for Houston as the Jets can offer the number 2 overall and their extra 1 this year and one of their 1st rounders next year
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 12:36:13 GMT -5
Zero leverage
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Post by Nick6475 on Jan 28, 2021 12:42:12 GMT -5
If I was Watson I would go to Miami or New Orleans, but I guess getting paid a ton to lose on the Jets is ok.
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Post by 80sdreincarnate on Jan 28, 2021 12:47:27 GMT -5
In terms of where he should "want" to go, the NFC makes much more sense. AFC has Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Herbert, Burrow, soon to be Lawrence.
NFC has Brady & Rodgers need their ends, then Wilson who is in his 30s. No real franchise QB in their 20s unless you consider Dak to be that. To win the SB you need to make the SB and he has a much clearer path for the foreseeable future if he forces his way to the NFC.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 12:50:36 GMT -5
In terms of where he should "want" to go, the NFC makes much more sense. AFC has Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Herbert, Burrow, soon to be Lawrence. NFC has Brady & Rodgers need their ends, then Wilson who is in his 30s. No real franchise QB in their 20s unless you consider Dak to be that. To win the SB you need to make the SB and he has a much clearer path for the foreseeable future if he forces his way to the NFC. Interesting perspective which I agree with..
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Post by nyg2 on Jan 28, 2021 12:55:13 GMT -5
The difference between Jones and Watson.
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Post by Dezzr on Jan 28, 2021 12:55:50 GMT -5
I was reported on the radio (wfan or espn) that the Jets are his top choice.. Which would work out perfectly for Houston as the Jets can offer the number 2 overall and their extra 1 this year and one of their 1st rounders next year Is it just me, or is that way too much?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 12:56:53 GMT -5
In terms of where he should "want" to go, the NFC makes much more sense. AFC has Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Herbert, Burrow, soon to be Lawrence. NFC has Brady & Rodgers need their ends, then Wilson who is in his 30s. No real franchise QB in their 20s unless you consider Dak to be that. To win the SB you need to make the SB and he has a much clearer path for the foreseeable future if he forces his way to the NFC. If he goes to Washington they are an instant playoff team. That defense is already nuts and the young talent on offense is equally as good. McLaurin as your #1, Gibson @ RB, and Logan Thomas at TE should be enticing enough.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 12:58:17 GMT -5
Which would work out perfectly for Houston as the Jets can offer the number 2 overall and their extra 1 this year and one of their 1st rounders next year Is it just me, or is that way too much? Nothing is too much for an elite QB in his prime. Literally nothing.
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 28, 2021 12:59:28 GMT -5
I would trade the farm to acquire Watson. Unfortunately, our GM thinks mediocrity is the best policy..
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Post by 80sdreincarnate on Jan 28, 2021 13:03:31 GMT -5
In terms of where he should "want" to go, the NFC makes much more sense. AFC has Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Herbert, Burrow, soon to be Lawrence. NFC has Brady & Rodgers need their ends, then Wilson who is in his 30s. No real franchise QB in their 20s unless you consider Dak to be that. To win the SB you need to make the SB and he has a much clearer path for the foreseeable future if he forces his way to the NFC. If he goes to Washington they are an instant playoff team. That defense is already nuts and the young talent on offense is equally as good. McLaurin as your #1, Gibson @ RB, and Logan Thomas at TE should be enticing enough. How does Washington even get Houston to pick up the phone is my question. From the Houston perspective they need to replace Watson in the deal. That means they either need to like a QB a team has to offer in the package, ie Daniel Jones, or a pick high enough for them to draft the QB, ie Jets at # 2 overall. Washington can not offer either of those things. They can include Chase Young who is probably one of the most attractive non-QBs in the NFL, but he's still not a QB. Maybe if Houston gets another vet like a Jimmy G WFT can get in the mix, otherwise just don't see it. Skins should be all in on Stafford.
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Post by nyg2 on Jan 28, 2021 13:03:41 GMT -5
ESPN’s Bill Barnwell did a hypothetical trade of what a trade between the Giants and Texans would look like. IMO we'd be giving up way to much, I wouldn't do this deal. Texans Receive: Daniel Jones 2021 1st Round Pick 2022 1st Round Pick 2023 1st Round Pick Giants Receive: Deshaun Watson 2023 4th Round Pick This was his reasoning behind doing the deal. "Jones showed virtually no growth in his second season, as his numbers stagnated or declined across the board. He missed two-plus games with injuries and led the league in fumbles for the second consecutive season. The best arguments that he’s an NFL-caliber starting quarterback consist of his frame and the fact that at least one team thought he was worth the sixth overall pick in the 2019 draft. I’m not sure anybody is higher on Jones than the guy who would be trading him away, Giants general manager Dave Gettleman. Jones is still young enough to improve, but he hasn’t been good enough for the Texans to plan their future around him, which leaves the Giants in a bind. Would they be willing to send three first-rounders and Jones to get a deal done? And after seeing one former Pats coach sink his franchise, would Watson want to go play for another Bill Belichick disciple in Joe Judge?"giantswire.usatoday.com/2021/01/28/espn-breaks-down-hypothetical-new-york-giants-houston-texans-trade-deshaun-watson/
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 13:04:48 GMT -5
If he goes to Washington they are an instant playoff team. That defense is already nuts and the young talent on offense is equally as good. McLaurin as your #1, Gibson @ RB, and Logan Thomas at TE should be enticing enough. How does Washington even get Houston to pick up the phone is my question. From the Houston perspective they need to replace Watson in the deal. That means they either need to like a QB a team has to offer in the package, ie Daniel Jones, or a pick high enough for them to draft the QB, ie Jets at # 2 overall. Washington can not offer either of those things. They can include Chase Young who is probably one of the most attractive non-QBs in the NFL, but he's still not a QB. Maybe if Houston gets another vet like a Jimmy G WFT can get in the mix, otherwise just don't see it. Skins should be all in on Stafford. You're assuming they HAVE to replace Watson. They don't. A shit load of draft picks should do the trick. WFT is already infused with young talent. They can afford to take a 2-3 year draft hit.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 13:04:59 GMT -5
I would trade the farm to acquire Watson. Unfortunately, our GM thinks mediocrity is the best policy.. As long as the team shows fight and a little improvement then a good portion of this fan base will continue to be thrilled so that method is currently "the best policy"..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 13:06:40 GMT -5
If he goes to Washington they are an instant playoff team. That defense is already nuts and the young talent on offense is equally as good. McLaurin as your #1, Gibson @ RB, and Logan Thomas at TE should be enticing enough. How does Washington even get Houston to pick up the phone is my question. From the Houston perspective they need to replace Watson in the deal. That means they either need to like a QB a team has to offer in the package, ie Daniel Jones, or a pick high enough for them to draft the QB, ie Jets at # 2 overall. Washington can not offer either of those things. They can include Chase Young who is probably one of the most attractive non-QBs in the NFL, but he's still not a QB. Maybe if Houston gets another vet like a Jimmy G WFT can get in the mix, otherwise just don't see it. Skins should be all in on Stafford. Thanks for adding some reality to this situation..
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Post by DJones19 on Jan 28, 2021 13:07:17 GMT -5
Soon to be New England Patriot qb DeShawn Watson .. It was reported on the radio (wfan or espn) that the Jets are his top choice.. The Jets...Watson must really care about winning...lol.
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Post by nyg2 on Jan 28, 2021 13:08:11 GMT -5
In terms of where he should "want" to go, the NFC makes much more sense. AFC has Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Herbert, Burrow, soon to be Lawrence. NFC has Brady & Rodgers need their ends, then Wilson who is in his 30s. No real franchise QB in their 20s unless you consider Dak to be that. To win the SB you need to make the SB and he has a much clearer path for the foreseeable future if he forces his way to the NFC. If he goes to Washington they are an instant playoff team. That defense is already nuts and the young talent on offense is equally as good. McLaurin as your #1, Gibson @ RB, and Logan Thomas at TE should be enticing enough. In order for Washington to acquire him they're going to have to give up some players as well, so I doubt they'd be fielding the same team.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 28, 2021 13:08:17 GMT -5
The difference between Jones and Watson. According to whom? I’m not arguing the concept, but I have no idea what CPOE is. Specifically the E.
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Post by 80sdreincarnate on Jan 28, 2021 13:08:23 GMT -5
How does Washington even get Houston to pick up the phone is my question. From the Houston perspective they need to replace Watson in the deal. That means they either need to like a QB a team has to offer in the package, ie Daniel Jones, or a pick high enough for them to draft the QB, ie Jets at # 2 overall. Washington can not offer either of those things. They can include Chase Young who is probably one of the most attractive non-QBs in the NFL, but he's still not a QB. Maybe if Houston gets another vet like a Jimmy G WFT can get in the mix, otherwise just don't see it. Skins should be all in on Stafford. You're assuming they HAVE to replace Watson. They don't. A shit load of draft picks should do the trick. WFT is already infused with young talent. They can afford to take a 2-3 draft hit. Define "have"? If they have trade offers where they can take a top QB or acquire a QB they like v offers where they have no answer at QB and higher picks why would they take the Skins offer? And your point about the Skins being a playoff contender with Watson(they made it without him) is valid and makes any offer they can make even less attractive as their future picks would be expected to be low. I think the Skins have pretty close to a 0% chance of acquiring Watson.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 28, 2021 13:09:04 GMT -5
In terms of where he should "want" to go, the NFC makes much more sense. AFC has Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Herbert, Burrow, soon to be Lawrence. NFC has Brady & Rodgers need their ends, then Wilson who is in his 30s. No real franchise QB in their 20s unless you consider Dak to be that. To win the SB you need to make the SB and he has a much clearer path for the foreseeable future if he forces his way to the NFC. If he goes to Washington they are an instant playoff team. That defense is already nuts and the young talent on offense is equally as good. McLaurin as your #1, Gibson @ RB, and Logan Thomas at TE should be enticing enough. They’re a playoff team now.
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 28, 2021 13:09:47 GMT -5
I would trade the farm to acquire Watson. Unfortunately, our GM thinks mediocrity is the best policy.. As long as the team shows fight and a little improvement then a good portion of this fan base will continue to be thrilled so that method is currently "the best policy".. It’s not there fault. Eat enough crayons and you’ll start to believe everything is an improvement. Watch Watson goes to Washington and they become a very good team. While us, we give complimentary high fives to one another for Daniel Jones not throwing an interception in a game we lost..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 13:10:47 GMT -5
You're assuming they HAVE to replace Watson. They don't. A shit load of draft picks should do the trick. WFT is already infused with young talent. They can afford to take a 2-3 draft hit. Define "have"? If they have trade offers where they can take a top QB or acquire a QB they like v offers where they have no answer at QB and higher picks why would they take the Skins offer? And your point about the Skins being a playoff contender with Watson(they made it without him) is valid and makes any offer they can make even less attractive as their future picks would be expected to be low. I think the Skins have pretty close to a 0% chance of acquiring Watson. Alex Smith and 2021 2022 2023 1st round picks.... 2021 2nd 3rd round picks... 2022 2nd 3rd round picks... I'm picking up the phone for Alex Smith and 7 draft picks.
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Post by nyg2 on Jan 28, 2021 13:13:03 GMT -5
According to whom? I’m not arguing the concept, but I have no idea what CPOE is. Specifically the E. rbsdm.com/stats/stats/ - This the site that created it.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 28, 2021 13:14:47 GMT -5
It was reported on the radio (wfan or espn) that the Jets are his top choice.. The Jets...Watson must really care about winning...lol. A QB that's never won anything paired with a franchise that's never won anything... Perfect match.
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Post by 80sdreincarnate on Jan 28, 2021 13:15:45 GMT -5
Define "have"? If they have trade offers where they can take a top QB or acquire a QB they like v offers where they have no answer at QB and higher picks why would they take the Skins offer? And your point about the Skins being a playoff contender with Watson(they made it without him) is valid and makes any offer they can make even less attractive as their future picks would be expected to be low. I think the Skins have pretty close to a 0% chance of acquiring Watson. Alex Smith and 2021 2022 2023 1st round picks.... 2021 2nd 3rd round picks... 2022 2nd 3rd round picks... I'm picking up the phone for Alex Smith and 7 draft picks. Alex Smith?! Smith is a nice story and had a nice career, but he's a fringe starter/nice backup at this point in his career.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 13:17:56 GMT -5
Alex Smith and 2021 2022 2023 1st round picks.... 2021 2nd 3rd round picks... 2022 2nd 3rd round picks... I'm picking up the phone for Alex Smith and 7 draft picks. Alex Smith?! Smith is a nice story and had a nice career, but he's a fringe starter/nice backup at this point in his career. Houston doesnt need an immediate return at QB for Watson. They will probably suck again and have a top 5 pick of their own to land a franchise QB. This is a long game trade for Houston and an immediate return trade for whoever gets Watson. Because of this, in my head, the Jets are out, and WFT makes the most sense.
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Post by 80sdreincarnate on Jan 28, 2021 13:17:59 GMT -5
The Jets...Watson must really care about winning...lol. A QB that's never won anything paired with a franchise that's never won anything... Perfect match. That's not exactly a fair way to evaluate Watson. He's much more than a QB who has never won anything. Every SB winning QB "had not won anything" at some point. And the Jets not having a Watson is a top reason they have not won anything. If they can get him, its a great job by them. And the fact they got 2 1s for a Safety will make the pick hit much less for them than anyone else.
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Post by nyg2 on Jan 28, 2021 13:18:04 GMT -5
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