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Post by GameTime on Feb 9, 2021 10:43:07 GMT -5
not one of our skill players would even sniff the field if they were wearing bucs uniforms this year. you gotta at least try to give Jones a fighting chance. what would the macro strategy be if you only added a 3rd round wr? field position and gano fgs? weapons and OL Mahomes and the Chiefs showed what weapons and no OL can result as too.
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Post by snyder55 on Feb 9, 2021 10:49:50 GMT -5
If they get Robinson or Golladay in FA and the best prospects at WR are gone by the time we pick and Parsons is there. I won't lose sleep over it. That said - I'd expect them to go after another WR rd 2 or 3 then. Look they're going to have to do work in both FA and the draft. Weapons for jones is a glaring need, however, so is CB, so is LB, so is the edge - we have no clue what carter or xim can be since they weren't on the field last year, and we still could use help on the oline. Tons of work to be done, I don't care how they get it done, so long as it gets done. If they do this right this offseason - they're a playoff team. If anyone thought Baker raised red flags, Parsons beats you over the head with red flags. its hard to find any of these young guys coming out of college who don't have some kind of issue, it seems to be a way of life now..
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Post by McCherry on Feb 9, 2021 11:16:19 GMT -5
We need to focus heavily on addressing all of our needs. WR, RB, maybe TE. Definitely edge rusher and CB.
Depending on who we retain, we're only a handful of players away. It's not like the last few years.
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Post by Kruunch on Feb 9, 2021 11:35:38 GMT -5
We need to focus heavily on addressing all of our needs. WR, RB, maybe TE. Definitely edge rusher and CB. Depending on who we retain, we're only a handful of players away. It's not like the last few years. A few players away from what? We’re a bad team, are we working our way up to pathetic?
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Post by Kruunch on Feb 9, 2021 11:37:08 GMT -5
We had a legit edge rusher and traded him away for a bag of peanuts.
He wasn't seen as the right fit with Bettcher. Even though we've seen Bowles has him standing up and in coverage at times.
No player is the right fit for Bettcher. Like I always say. Great players play well in all systems. We gave up on JPP far too quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 11:56:31 GMT -5
He wasn't seen as the right fit with Bettcher. Even though we've seen Bowles has standing up and in coverage at times.
No player is the right fit for Bettcher. Marcus Golden will argue this..
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Post by Kruunch on Feb 9, 2021 12:06:29 GMT -5
No player is the right fit for Bettcher. Marcus Golden will argue this.. True. But, who would listen?
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Post by JoeyCush on Feb 9, 2021 12:18:53 GMT -5
Coming into this season I thought the offense would be improved and the defense would be this teams downfall and boy was I wrong.
As much as I understand the sentiment BPA at 11 and all things included, I would definitely be pretty let down if they didnt go offense in the first. Buccs have a great D but their offense puts up points. The Giants cant. This past year we saw almost everything possible happen. Bad QB play, QB get injured, bad offensive line play, WRs not getting open, WRs/Engram dropping passes, ill timed turnovers, you name it.
The defense, even with obvious holes, was a big strength of this team. They really need to go O this year because if Jones doesnt have a good 2021 then Jones/Garrett/Gettleman are all gone.
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Post by GameTime on Feb 9, 2021 13:17:05 GMT -5
Coming into this season I thought the offense would be improved and the defense would be this teams downfall and boy was I wrong. As much as I understand the sentiment BPA at 11 and all things included, I would definitely be pretty let down if they didnt go offense in the first. Buccs have a great D but their offense puts up points. The Giants cant. This past year we saw almost everything possible happen. Bad QB play, QB get injured, bad offensive line play, WRs not getting open, WRs/Engram dropping passes, ill timed turnovers, you name it. The defense, even with obvious holes, was a big strength of this team. They really need to go O this year because if Jones doesnt have a good 2021 then Jones/Garrett/Gettleman are all gone. no doubt they have to go offense big time. if they dont then they are dumbasses
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 9, 2021 13:21:24 GMT -5
not one of our skill players would even sniff the field if they were wearing bucs uniforms this year. you gotta at least try to give Jones a fighting chance. what would the macro strategy be if you only added a 3rd round wr? field position and gano fgs? Thankfully grampa Gettleman seems to think the same way Let's hope he understands that size isn't the only attribute like he did in Carolina with the 2 early slugs he took there
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 9, 2021 13:26:54 GMT -5
Would I be upset? Heck no.
However we need to find a way to score. The Bucs have an All Star team on offense. If our D was great, which it can be, we would have lost that game 9-6.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 9, 2021 13:27:06 GMT -5
Coming into this season I thought the offense would be improved and the defense would be this teams downfall and boy was I wrong. As much as I understand the sentiment BPA at 11 and all things included, I would definitely be pretty let down if they didnt go offense in the first. Buccs have a great D but their offense puts up points. The Giants cant. This past year we saw almost everything possible happen. Bad QB play, QB get injured, bad offensive line play, WRs not getting open, WRs/Engram dropping passes, ill timed turnovers, you name it. The defense, even with obvious holes, was a big strength of this team. They really need to go O this year because if Jones doesnt have a good 2021 then Jones/Garrett/Gettleman are all gone. no doubt they have to go offense big time. if they dont then they are dumbasses Meanwhile I'm arguing with multiple idiots on BBV that want to basically go all in on defense and make Jones a game manager. Because of what happened in the Super Bowl Yes like I said this segment of our fan base exists...luckily very few here Ed enables them Because he is one od them
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Post by nyg2 on Feb 9, 2021 13:30:59 GMT -5
If all the WRs you're interested in are off the board, I would be inclined to trade back and accumulate some day 2 picks. There are some decent pass catchers you can get in rounds 2 and 3.
On the defensive side the only 2 guys I'd be targeting in the first round are the CBs, Surtain and Farley. I don't think Parsons falls out of the top-10 even with all of the off the field issues.
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 9, 2021 13:34:24 GMT -5
We need to focus heavily on addressing all of our needs. WR, RB, maybe TE. Definitely edge rusher and CB. Depending on who we retain, we're only a handful of players away. It's not like the last few years. A few players away from what? We’re a bad team, are we working our way up to pathetic? Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't bad better than pathetic?
Let's not kid ourselves though, in the NFL teams go from horrible to awesome overnight. The Giants in particular are a franchise that won a SB then didn't win a playoff game in 3 years before the year they win another SB, then won 1 playoff game in 9 seasons before making another SB, then not winning another playoff game in 6 years before winning the SB, then no playoff wins for 3 years before winning the SB again. Most of those years they didn't even sniff the playoffs.
It's been 9 years since the SB. Seems about right we will catch lightning in a bottle and win the whole thing this year.
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Post by GameTime on Feb 9, 2021 13:34:46 GMT -5
no doubt they have to go offense big time. if they dont then they are dumbasses Meanwhile I'm arguing with multiple idiots on BBV that want to basically go all in on defense and make Jones a game manager. Because of what happened in the Super Bowl Yes like I said this segment of our fan base exists...luckily very few here Ed enables them Because he is one od them bottom line tho is the fan base means nothing when it comes to how the team drafts so dont get all caught up in that stuff. Not worth it. To the point of the recent SB neither QB was a operating as a game manager. So that argument is ridiculous.
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Post by Morehead State on Feb 9, 2021 13:34:50 GMT -5
The bottom line is that we can't come close to winning with this offense. The OP doesn't even sound sold on it. Glad to see you agree with me. I love it when everybody wins.
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 9, 2021 13:35:15 GMT -5
If all the WRs you're interested in are off the board, I would be inclined to trade back and accumulate some day 2 picks. There are some decent pass catchers you can get in rounds 2 and 3. On the defensive side the only 2 guys I'd be targeting in the first round are the CBs, Surtain and Farley. I don't think Parsons falls out of the top-10 even with all of the off the field issues. I'd be fine with that but it really depends who is there. If the WRs are gone but Micah Parsons or Patrick Surtain are there it'd be really hard to pass them up.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 9, 2021 13:42:55 GMT -5
If all the WRs you're interested in are off the board, I would be inclined to trade back and accumulate some day 2 picks. There are some decent pass catchers you can get in rounds 2 and 3. On the defensive side the only 2 guys I'd be targeting in the first round are the CBs, Surtain and Farley. I don't think Parsons falls out of the top-10 even with all of the off the field issues. I'd be fine with that but it really depends who is there. If the WRs are gone but Micah Parsons or Patrick Surtain are there it'd be really hard to pass them up. Neither will be there unless Parsons indeed has some damning issues Ir I can't trade back I'd rather take the O lineman from Northwestern (forget his name)at 11 Seems his comparison is Scherff. ...
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 9, 2021 13:46:37 GMT -5
I'd be fine with that but it really depends who is there. If the WRs are gone but Micah Parsons or Patrick Surtain are there it'd be really hard to pass them up. Neither will be there unless Parsons indeed has some damning issues Ir I can't trade back I'd rather take the O lineman from Northwestern (forget his name)at 11 Seems his comparison is Scherff. ... I think we're all going to be surprised at who's there at #11.....I believe a run at QB's is inevitable allowing players, particularly at positions of need, to fall to us.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 9, 2021 13:49:13 GMT -5
Neither will be there unless Parsons indeed has some damning issues Ir I can't trade back I'd rather take the O lineman from Northwestern (forget his name)at 11 Seems his comparison is Scherff. ... I think we're all going to be surprised at who's there at #11.....I believe a run at QB's is inevitable allowing players, particularly at positions of need, to fall to us. Surtain is the only legit top corner in this draft Farley has injury and character issues Surtain could go to Philly I actually think we will have our pick of 2 of the 3 WRs....
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 9, 2021 13:55:59 GMT -5
Meanwhile I'm arguing with multiple idiots on BBV that want to basically go all in on defense and make Jones a game manager. Because of what happened in the Super Bowl Yes like I said this segment of our fan base exists...luckily very few here Ed enables them Because he is one od them bottom line tho is the fan base means nothing when it comes to how the team drafts so dont get all caught up in that stuff. Not worth it. To the point of the recent SB neither QB was a operating as a game manager. So that argument is ridiculous.Like I've been preaching since I've been here Weapons open up everything... Both teams had insane amounts of space to run it al day if they wanted to because of this Only one team was smart enough.(I still think if the Chiefs committed to Edwards-Hellaire all game he has 150 plus on the ground and they actually have a legit shot even with tbe horrible mismatches at tackle) So when the ignorant see 150 on the ground by the super bowl winner and say only sissies want weapons ... Ignorant.. Get guys to force the defense to have to defend the entire field this offseason and maybe another young piece on tbe Oine and I actually think this team wins the division as long as we keep the defense at the very least intact
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 9, 2021 14:06:53 GMT -5
The bottom line is that we can't come close to winning with this offense. The OP doesn't even sound sold on it. Glad to see you agree with me. I'm not sold on anything. I've barely begun my off-season research. What I'm doing is trying to think of potential options to consider and believe a Defensive heavy approach in FA and early in the draft is not out of the question. At this point, I believe my preference is for either Chase or Smith to fall to us, which I think will become more likely as the QB hype grows. We're in desperate need of help on the outside. The combination of a legit threat at WR, along with Barkley in the backfield, should keep defenses on their heels. Saying that, I also won't be upset if our Front 7 ends up consisting of players like Dex - Tomlinson - Williams - Parsons - Martinez - L. David - Coughlin/Carter/XMan/etc. That'd be an amazing collection of talent, and we could add a CB like Horn on Day 2 to round it all out. Suddenly, we'd have one of the best defenses in the league.....at least on paper. It's all up in the air right now. We need help in multiple areas, but if we play our cards right we should absolutely compete next year. As an off-season nerd, this should be one of the more entertaining off-seasons in recent memory.
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 9, 2021 14:08:03 GMT -5
Neither will be there unless Parsons indeed has some damning issues Ir I can't trade back I'd rather take the O lineman from Northwestern (forget his name)at 11 Seems his comparison is Scherff. ... I think we're all going to be surprised at who's there at #11.....I believe a run at QB's is inevitable allowing players, particularly at positions of need, to fall to us. I'm hoping for that but it seems lots of QBs are changing hands this season. Not sure what that means for the draft. I hope 5 QBs go before our pick lol. I doubt it though. 2-3 is likely.
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 9, 2021 14:09:05 GMT -5
I think we're all going to be surprised at who's there at #11.....I believe a run at QB's is inevitable allowing players, particularly at positions of need, to fall to us. Surtain is the only legit top corner in this draft Farley has injury and character issues Surtain could go to Philly I actually think we will have our pick of 2 of the 3 WRs.... I tend to agree. I have a feeling Smith goes to the Dolphins, and we'll have our pick between Waddle and Chase. Chase would be a great addition to this offense.
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 9, 2021 14:09:50 GMT -5
I'd be fine with that but it really depends who is there. If the WRs are gone but Micah Parsons or Patrick Surtain are there it'd be really hard to pass them up. Neither will be there unless Parsons indeed has some damning issues Ir I can't trade back I'd rather take the O lineman from Northwestern (forget his name)at 11 Seems his comparison is Scherff. ... You never know. I think Surtain is more likely to be there than Parsons. Micah is the top defender in the class by a decent margin and the top front 7 by a country mile. Surtain is #1 CB on my board but I have seen many list him as the #2 CB. If some team takes Farley instead of Surtain he could easily fall. Stranger things have happened.
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 9, 2021 14:11:29 GMT -5
I think we're all going to be surprised at who's there at #11.....I believe a run at QB's is inevitable allowing players, particularly at positions of need, to fall to us. I'm hoping for that but it seems lots of QBs are changing hands this season. Not sure what that means for the draft. I hope 5 QBs go before our pick lol. I doubt it though. 2-3 is likely. My prediction has been 4 QB's will go before us. If not, I could then see teams wanting to trade up to grab a QB making trading down a potential option for us.
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 9, 2021 14:11:45 GMT -5
Surtain is the only legit top corner in this draft Farley has injury and character issues Surtain could go to Philly I actually think we will have our pick of 2 of the 3 WRs.... Man choosing between 2 of these WRs would be fantastic but also very difficult. I have it Smith, Chase, Waddle but I would take any of them. I honestly think they are all as good as any WR prospect last year and that was the best WR class ever.
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Post by IrishMike on Feb 9, 2021 14:13:00 GMT -5
I'm hoping for that but it seems lots of QBs are changing hands this season. Not sure what that means for the draft. I hope 5 QBs go before our pick lol. I doubt it though. 2-3 is likely. My prediction has been 4 QB's will go before us. If not, I could then see teams wanting to trade up to grab a QB making trading down a potential option for us. It takes a good amount of hype to get 4 QBs taken in the top 10. I don't see that in this class. Hope I am wrong and this is damn sure an odd year already.
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Post by nyg2 on Feb 9, 2021 14:13:10 GMT -5
If all the WRs you're interested in are off the board, I would be inclined to trade back and accumulate some day 2 picks. There are some decent pass catchers you can get in rounds 2 and 3. On the defensive side the only 2 guys I'd be targeting in the first round are the CBs, Surtain and Farley. I don't think Parsons falls out of the top-10 even with all of the off the field issues. I'd be fine with that but it really depends who is there. If the WRs are gone but Micah Parsons or Patrick Surtain are there it'd be really hard to pass them up. Yup, if Surtain or Parson is there I'd definitely take them at 11, if not I'd be working the phone lines to see possible trade back scenarios. Imo I think as of right now Gettleman's board regarding the pass catchers in the first round would probably be this: 1. Devonta Smith 2. Ja'Marr Chase 3. Kyle Pitts 4. Jaylen Waddle It's the Giants way to try to get players who are squeaky clean, more so now after he got burned by the Baker pick. Which is why I think he would put Devonta Smith over Ja'Marr Chase, Alabama WRs don't have as big of personalities as do LSU WRs. I think he would put Kyle Pitts over Waddle just because Gettleman is from a different era and he want big bodied tall players over short speedy guys who can stretch the length of the field.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 9, 2021 14:13:53 GMT -5
Surtain is the only legit top corner in this draft Farley has injury and character issues Surtain could go to Philly I actually think we will have our pick of 2 of the 3 WRs.... Man choosing between 2 of these WRs would be fantastic but also very difficult. I have it Smith, Chase, Waddle but I would take any of them. I honestly think they are all as good as any WR prospect last year and that was the best WR class ever. I'll take any of the 3 and be happy Reminds me in a way of the OT class. Would have been happy witb any of the 4...
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