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Post by snyder55 on Feb 13, 2021 10:53:45 GMT -5
there was a hazing article posted on another thread, says he was involved in some hazing incident that was quite graphic in nature, many would consider it sexual assault. I have never experienced hazing or bullying but I have read articles and of course seen shows where they pull stories from real life situations. I am amazed at how many of the male hazing involves some type of acts performed nude or in underwear etc. Its ****ing ridiculous what some of these frats and groups make you do. There is no way I would have ever done the BS they require or participate in it if I continued college. I get they are kids and thats fine but some of the stuff you read is absolutely unacceptable behavior. there seems to be no limit how far people will go just to get a laugh at someone else's expense..
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Post by snyder55 on Feb 13, 2021 11:00:26 GMT -5
focusing heavily on D would be ridiculous and a very poor choice of direction I agree, last season I felt the defense was marginal but we could have won more games if our offense was even close to marginal and offense is where I want to see the team focus this off season..
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Post by GameTime on Feb 13, 2021 11:12:24 GMT -5
I have never experienced hazing or bullying but I have read articles and of course seen shows where they pull stories from real life situations. I am amazed at how many of the male hazing involves some type of acts performed nude or in underwear etc. Its ****ing ridiculous what some of these frats and groups make you do. There is no way I would have ever done the BS they require or participate in it if I continued college. I get they are kids and thats fine but some of the stuff you read is absolutely unacceptable behavior. there seems to be no limit how far people will go just to get a laugh at someone else's expense.. I agree.....but hazing is more than for just laughs. Its about a hierarchy and mind ****s
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Post by McCherry on Feb 13, 2021 12:06:52 GMT -5
They weren't perfect but they both showed they can handle the positions. I think we're pretty set on Lemeuix and Peart moving forward. No they didnt. They will certainly be in the mix but far from "pretty set". Peart had only 150 snaps. That about 2 1/2 games worth of snaps. Lemuiex, while I like him, was confused and overwhelmed much of the time with anything other than straight up blocking assignments. Gates had less than that when they extended him last season and made him the Center. The coaches clearly aren't afraid to play the kids in real situations. Lemiuex was terrible in pass pro but clearly Judge had faith to keep him in there. We could use some depth, but I doubt we'd be looking to upgrade any OL positions. I fully expect Peart to be the RT moving into this season.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 13, 2021 12:34:23 GMT -5
No they didnt. They will certainly be in the mix but far from "pretty set". Peart had only 150 snaps. That about 2 1/2 games worth of snaps. Lemuiex, while I like him, was confused and overwhelmed much of the time with anything other than straight up blocking assignments. Gates had less than that when they extended him last season and made him the Center. The coaches clearly aren't afraid to play the kids in real situations. Lemiuex was terrible in pass pro but clearly Judge had faith to keep him in there. We could use some depth, but I doubt we'd be looking to upgrade any OL positions. I fully expect Peart to be the RT moving into this season. You always have to keep the flow of talent coming in on the O line every year Did we not see a team in the super bowl not be able to do anything because of O line injuries (to be fair you lose your 2 starting tackles before the super bowl you will be SOL no matter what ). He'll if tbe big 3 and Pitts is gone I have an O lineman pegged as my "break glass in case of emergency " safe pick (Slater,OT at Northwestern but smaller arm length probably makes him a great guard ...aka Scherff) I'm not going out of my way like last year to add there but if the opportunity is there and one is in the BPA sphere I'm going to take one every year between rounds 3 and 5 if possible
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Post by Kruunch on Feb 13, 2021 12:34:52 GMT -5
No they didnt. They will certainly be in the mix but far from "pretty set". Peart had only 150 snaps. That about 2 1/2 games worth of snaps. Lemuiex, while I like him, was confused and overwhelmed much of the time with anything other than straight up blocking assignments. Gates had less than that when they extended him last season and made him the Center. The coaches clearly aren't afraid to play the kids in real situations. Lemiuex was terrible in pass pro but clearly Judge had faith to keep him in there. We could use some depth, but I doubt we'd be looking to upgrade any OL positions. I fully expect Peart to be the RT moving into this season. Gates has been part of the team since ‘18. And whoops, had 250 snaps prior to the Giants extending him. So, it’s safe to say the Giants knew what they had with him. Peart on the other hand is still an unknown. Which is fine, labeling a player after only playing 150 snaps is stupid. Peart will get his opportunity to start next year, here’s to hoping the Giants just don’t give it to him. Make him earn his spot with stiff competition..
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Post by McCherry on Feb 13, 2021 12:49:45 GMT -5
Gates had less than that when they extended him last season and made him the Center. The coaches clearly aren't afraid to play the kids in real situations. Lemiuex was terrible in pass pro but clearly Judge had faith to keep him in there. We could use some depth, but I doubt we'd be looking to upgrade any OL positions. I fully expect Peart to be the RT moving into this season. You always have to keep the flow of talent coming in on the O line every year Did we not see a team in the super bowl not be able to do anything because of O line injuries (to be fair you lose your 2 starting tackles before the super bowl you will be SOL no matter what ). He'll if tbe big 3 and Pitts is gone I have an O lineman pegged as my "break glass in case of emergency " safe pick (Slater,OT at Northwestern but smaller arm length probably makes him a great guard ...aka Scherff) I'm not going out of my way like last year to add there but if the opportunity is there and one is in the BPA sphere I'm going to take one every year between rounds 3 and 5 if possible If we stumble upon a great value pick I wouldn’t t hesitant either. It’s hard to acquire quality backup depth. In free agency you get players like Fleming or Remmers.
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Post by TEM on Feb 13, 2021 15:36:29 GMT -5
You always have to keep the flow of talent coming in on the O line every year Did we not see a team in the super bowl not be able to do anything because of O line injuries (to be fair you lose your 2 starting tackles before the super bowl you will be SOL no matter what ). He'll if tbe big 3 and Pitts is gone I have an O lineman pegged as my "break glass in case of emergency " safe pick (Slater,OT at Northwestern but smaller arm length probably makes him a great guard ...aka Scherff) I'm not going out of my way like last year to add there but if the opportunity is there and one is in the BPA sphere I'm going to take one every year between rounds 3 and 5 if possible If we stumble upon a great value pick I wouldn’t t hesitant either. It’s hard to acquire quality backup depth. In free agency you get players like Fleming or Remmers. For O-line . If they are not top of the heap O-line . You end up with expensive cast offs . You end up with guys like Omameh. I do not need to get into what he was. The problem is, that is what is usually available with O-line FAs.
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Post by snyder55 on Feb 13, 2021 17:10:20 GMT -5
I have never experienced hazing or bullying but I have read articles and of course seen shows where they pull stories from real life situations. I am amazed at how many of the male hazing involves some type of acts performed nude or in underwear etc. Its ****ing ridiculous what some of these frats and groups make you do. There is no way I would have ever done the BS they require or participate in it if I continued college. I get they are kids and thats fine but some of the stuff you read is absolutely unacceptable behavior. Yep, I experienced this in Boy Scouts. The leaders were not involved, but knew about it. At least my turn didn't involve sticker bushes or a remote outhouse, like my peers got. lots of kids got a swirly in my high school, it never hurt anybody but it sure humiliated them, bullies can be bastards..
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Post by jimmieray on Feb 15, 2021 16:42:25 GMT -5
Yep, I experienced this in Boy Scouts. The leaders were not involved, but knew about it. At least my turn didn't involve sticker bushes or a remote outhouse, like my peers got. lots of kids got a swirly in my high school, it never hurt anybody but it sure humiliated them, bullies can be bastards.. Can't get a swirly in an outhouse. I suppose that would actually be refreshing, if one could after being lowered head first into one.
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Post by giants8493 on Feb 16, 2021 22:46:15 GMT -5
Yes I would be upset if we went heavily defensive. The team needs healthy playmakers
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Post by giants8493 on Feb 16, 2021 22:48:45 GMT -5
not one of our skill players would even sniff the field if they were wearing bucs uniforms this year. you gotta at least try to give Jones a fighting chance. what would the macro strategy be if you only added a 3rd round wr? field position and gano fgs? healthy Barkley would have.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 8:09:54 GMT -5
not one of our skill players would even sniff the field if they were wearing bucs uniforms this year. you gotta at least try to give Jones a fighting chance. what would the macro strategy be if you only added a 3rd round wr? field position and gano fgs? healthy Barkley would have. What's that??
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 17, 2021 13:03:15 GMT -5
I would be disappointed if one of the top 4 offensive playmakers were there and we passed for any other position. That said if they drafted say Parsons at 11 and went WR IN RD2 it would lessen the sting it would be understandable for me they need to get 2 in this draft, So what I want is 1 in the first and another in the third. That is how I would like to see it go being I want that most likely it won't happen lol.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 17, 2021 13:12:34 GMT -5
If we stumble upon a great value pick I wouldn’t t hesitant either. It’s hard to acquire quality backup depth. In free agency you get players like Fleming or Remmers. For O-line . If they are not top of the heap O-line . You end up with expensive cast offs . You end up with guys like Omameh. I do not need to get into what he was. The problem is, that is what is usually available with O-line FAs. When your talking free agent OLs if your not spending 10 mill or more forget it Richberg and Pugh got 11 and 10 Flowers got 10 those guys are average at best. Flowers best quality is he doesn't miss games. As far as draft goes Gettlemen found a lot of gold for Carolina that said this year is the year where if he does want some depth 4th or later unless sewell falls out of the sky at 11 then were talking starter for the next 10 15 years.
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Post by Rangers13 on Feb 17, 2021 17:38:54 GMT -5
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Post by GameTime on Feb 17, 2021 17:54:23 GMT -5
"We're far from a finished product," Giants owner John Mara said after the season. "There are a lot more pieces that we need here. But I think we're in much better shape now than we were a year ago." Mara seems to agree as far as the "state of the team". I guess Raanan overstated a bit. They are ready to admit it publicly.
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Post by Rangers13 on Feb 17, 2021 18:31:46 GMT -5
"We're far from a finished product," Giants owner John Mara said after the season. "There are a lot more pieces that we need here. But I think we're in much better shape now than we were a year ago." Mara seems to agree as far as the "state of the team". I guess Raanan overstated a bit. They are ready to admit it publicly. seems a bit farther away then some fans believe they are.
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 17, 2021 18:54:44 GMT -5
I would be disappointed if one of the top 4 offensive playmakers were there and we passed for any other position. That said if they drafted say Parsons at 11 and went WR IN RD2 it would lessen the sting it would be understandable for me they need to get 2 in this draft, So what I want is 1 in the first and another in the third. That is how I would like to see it go being I want that most likely it won't happen lol. Agreed. Would love to land one of the Big4 then circle back in Rd3 or Rd4 to pick up a 2nd WR or TE. If the Big4 are all gone and we don't shock the world by trading back with a QB needy team, I believe we end up selecting the best OT available. I don't see us going defense at this point. Parsons seems to be a fantastic fit as a player, but I think we'd ultimately pass on him due to the allegations. I also can't see us selecting a CB at #11. I may change my tune, but I don't see the value in either player projected to go that high. I think it ends up coming down the Big4 or OL......or an out of left field trade back.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 17, 2021 18:56:22 GMT -5
I would be disappointed if one of the top 4 offensive playmakers were there and we passed for any other position. That said if they drafted say Parsons at 11 and went WR IN RD2 it would lessen the sting it would be understandable for me they need to get 2 in this draft, So what I want is 1 in the first and another in the third. That is how I would like to see it go being I want that most likely it won't happen lol. Agreed. Would love to land one of the Big4 then circle back in Rd3 or Rd4 to pick up a 2nd WR or TE. If the Big4 are all gone and we don't shock the world by trading back with a QB needy team, I believe we end up selecting the best OT available. I don't see us going defense at this point. Parsons seems to be a fantastic fit as a player, but I think we'd ultimately pass on him due to the allegations. I also can't see us selecting a CB at #11. I may change my tune, but I don't see the value in either player projected to go that high. I think it ends up coming down the Big4 or OL......or an out of left field trade back. Playmaker or Slater
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Post by GameTime on Feb 17, 2021 19:06:14 GMT -5
"We're far from a finished product," Giants owner John Mara said after the season. "There are a lot more pieces that we need here. But I think we're in much better shape now than we were a year ago." Mara seems to agree as far as the "state of the team". I guess Raanan overstated a bit. They are ready to admit it publicly. seems a bit farther away then some fans believe they are. the fan base will always vary on the perception of the team. Raanan specifically was pointing to the FO/ownership and that's what I was getting at.
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Post by McCherry on Feb 17, 2021 19:36:53 GMT -5
seems a bit farther away then some fans believe they are. the fan base will always vary on the perception of the team. Raanan specifically was pointing to the FO/ownership and that's what I was getting at. ESPN says we're miles away but we missed the playoffs by what, a head coach who got fired for intentionally losing a game? Your projection is only as good as your division. The Giants had the best divisional record considering we swept the WFT. WR, CB, edge rusher. That's not exactly miles away from being a complete team. Really, everything comes down to one position. QB.
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Post by GameTime on Feb 17, 2021 20:07:49 GMT -5
the fan base will always vary on the perception of the team. Raanan specifically was pointing to the FO/ownership and that's what I was getting at. ESPN says we're miles away but we missed the playoffs by what, a head coach who got fired for intentionally losing a game? Your projection is only as good as your division. The Giants had the best divisional record considering we swept the WFT. WR, CB, edge rusher. That's not exactly miles away from being a complete team. Really, everything comes down to one position. QB. A 6-10 team is a team that simply couldn't get it done whether they are a division winner or not. What does Pedersen coaching "to lose" have anything to do with how the Giants performed last season? They are quite a bit away from being able to compete. We know what they need and maybe "its not too much" but as of yet they dont have any of those pieces. As of now they are a 6-10 team that is in flux with several big questioned left to answer.
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Post by McCherry on Feb 17, 2021 21:13:14 GMT -5
ESPN says we're miles away but we missed the playoffs by what, a head coach who got fired for intentionally losing a game? Your projection is only as good as your division. The Giants had the best divisional record considering we swept the WFT. WR, CB, edge rusher. That's not exactly miles away from being a complete team. Really, everything comes down to one position. QB. A 6-10 team is a team that simply couldn't get it done whether they are a division winner or not. What does Pedersen coaching "to lose" have anything to do with how the Giants performed last season? They are quite a bit away from being able to compete. We know what they need and maybe "its not too much" but as of yet they dont have any of those pieces. As of now they are a 6-10 team that is in flux with several big questioned left to answer. If we almost went to the playoffs last year, we can go to the playoffs next year. We're as good as any team in the NFC east, it's all up for grabs.
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Post by Rangers13 on Feb 17, 2021 22:09:31 GMT -5
ESPN says we're miles away but we missed the playoffs by what, a head coach who got fired for intentionally losing a game? Your projection is only as good as your division. The Giants had the best divisional record considering we swept the WFT. WR, CB, edge rusher. That's not exactly miles away from being a complete team. Really, everything comes down to one position. QB. A 6-10 team is a team that simply couldn't get it done whether they are a division winner or not. What does Pedersen coaching "to lose" have anything to do with how the Giants performed last season? They are quite a bit away from being able to compete. We know what they need and maybe "its not too much" but as of yet they dont have any of those pieces. As of now they are a 6-10 team that is in flux with several big questioned left to answer. Quite amazing some fans ignore what the owner says b/c 6 wins almost won a division.
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Post by SG88 on Feb 17, 2021 22:26:02 GMT -5
A 6-10 team is a team that simply couldn't get it done whether they are a division winner or not. What does Pedersen coaching "to lose" have anything to do with how the Giants performed last season? They are quite a bit away from being able to compete. We know what they need and maybe "its not too much" but as of yet they dont have any of those pieces. As of now they are a 6-10 team that is in flux with several big questioned left to answer. Quite amazing some fans ignore what the owner says b/c 6 wins almost won a division. It is hilarious that people actually think that real progress is made in a team that finished 6-10. Are our standards really that low? The only progress that was made is that we FINALLY beat Dallas and Philadelphia.
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Post by thetruth on Feb 18, 2021 1:34:05 GMT -5
Agreed. Would love to land one of the Big4 then circle back in Rd3 or Rd4 to pick up a 2nd WR or TE. If the Big4 are all gone and we don't shock the world by trading back with a QB needy team, I believe we end up selecting the best OT available. I don't see us going defense at this point. Parsons seems to be a fantastic fit as a player, but I think we'd ultimately pass on him due to the allegations. I also can't see us selecting a CB at #11. I may change my tune, but I don't see the value in either player projected to go that high. I think it ends up coming down the Big4 or OL......or an out of left field trade back. Playmaker or Slater i agree with this. I dont know if i feel comfortable with the Top 3 CBs. I dont know if I agree with those currently at the top on most board. They all have holes
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Post by southerner on Feb 18, 2021 5:28:29 GMT -5
Should be best player available, and I think the Giants will do that.......after they trade down. Judge will bring more of the Patriot way in this year’s draft. They may hold and draft if they get the pass rusher they covet. In the end, they should just take the best player available. Buffalo did this for 3 years and improved greatly.
There a lot of good players available in the first through most of the round. Trading back and adding another 1 or 2 2nd day draft picks (depending how far down in the first they go) would be great. Getting 5 players in the first two days could be great for the team as a whole.
what the Giants really need is for one of the supposed “can’t miss” players drops to them. At that point they could do very well trading down in the first. This could be the first TE, first pass rusher, or one of the big 3 WRs. While the Giants could draft this player, they need more and grabbing more early round 2021 picks is the answer.
if the Giants did choose a player at No. 11, I would prefer a pass rusher, the OL, then TE (if Pitts is still available), then WR. WRs are a dime a dozen and the hit rate on the annual “can’t miss” first round WRs is less than 50%.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 18, 2021 7:22:24 GMT -5
i agree with this. I dont know if i feel comfortable with the Top 3 CBs. I dont know if I agree with those currently at the top on most board. They all have holes Surtain ia about the only one I'm comfortable with ...and then it's another year of dealing in all likelihood of a young corner being a major liability in his rookie year and another year coke November starting to question what we have out there again The edge rushers this year are not anywhere near top 15 proapects...
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 18, 2021 7:23:33 GMT -5
Quite amazing some fans ignore what the owner says b/c 6 wins almost won a division. It is hilarious that people actually think that real progress is made in a team that finished 6-10. Are our standards really that low? The only progress that was made is that we FINALLY beat Dallas and Philadelphia. that, and the D looked like it was coming together, rather than the totally lost in space unit that we had been rolling out for a few years prior. Also, I think our O line is in better shape going into next year than we've been in some time.
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