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Post by TCHOF on Apr 3, 2021 17:55:04 GMT -5
With all due respect...."showing progress" is a bullshit standard.
We have to win. And we have to win THIS year. We couldn't do it with normal team building, like building through the draft. So now we had to go all out in free agency. There is no excuse not to win 11 games. It's time to break out, not just "show progress".
It is hysterical that you'd try to drop that one on DG. After 2007, it became JR's legacy. We actually had our best draft in a long time last year. (probably since 2007) MS HATED anyone bringing up the fact that JR had to drop $200M in 2016 to make up for his bad drafts...and that the difference between TC and McAdoo’s records may have had something to do with dropping all that money in FA ....
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Post by Jomo on Apr 3, 2021 19:30:05 GMT -5
It is hysterical that you'd try to drop that one on DG. After 2007, it became JR's legacy. We actually had our best draft in a long time last year. (probably since 2007) MS HATED anyone bringing up the fact that JR had to drop $200M in 2016 to make up for his bad drafts...and that the difference between TC and McAdoo’s records may have had something to do with dropping all that money in FA .... Yes, I know that but keeping the facts straight is the easiest and best way to work through our miserable last decade. There are enough complicit people involved in the debacle. I can wrap my head around DGs mistakes since returning, especially early on with Solder and that loser of a RG. But at least for me, I can't ignore the positive elements around his roster upgrades. What I can't wrap my head around is counting wins and losses in DGs first year and hanging that on his "losing record." "Facts" have to stand up to scrutiny to get my attention.
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Post by jb456 on Apr 3, 2021 19:33:18 GMT -5
It is hysterical that you'd try to drop that one on DG. After 2007, it became JR's legacy. We actually had our best draft in a long time last year. (probably since 2007) MS HATED anyone bringing up the fact that JR had to drop $200M in 2016 to make up for his bad drafts...and that the difference between TC and McAdoo’s records may have had something to do with dropping all that money in FA .... 100 percent agree. Coughlin didn't have the benefit of those free agents and probably would have done as good or better. Eli was a much better QB when Coughlin was running the show and Mcadoo was a coordinator. It hard to believe that even then, the Oline was trash and it's still not good.
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Post by jb456 on Apr 3, 2021 19:38:16 GMT -5
MS HATED anyone bringing up the fact that JR had to drop $200M in 2016 to make up for his bad drafts...and that the difference between TC and McAdoo’s records may have had something to do with dropping all that money in FA .... Yes, I know that but keeping the facts straight is the easiest and best way to work through our miserable last decade. There are enough complicit people involved in the debacle. I can wrap my head around DGs mistakes since returning, especially early on with Solder and that loser of a RG. But at least for me, I can't ignore the positive elements around his roster upgrades. What I can't wrap my head around is counting wins and losses in DGs first year and hanging that on his "losing record." "Facts" have to stand up to scrutiny to get my attention. This. None of us know if there was an assumption from the top that the Giants would continue to try to win with Eli. If ownership expected Eli to be part of the solution, that would at least partially absolve DG for the first year. With that said, no more excuses at this point. This is DGs last shot. The Giants may have to make the playoffs this year or he is out. This is probably Jones last chance as well. Its going to suck if the Giants have to start over next year....
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Post by GameTime on Apr 3, 2021 19:43:41 GMT -5
Yes, I know that but keeping the facts straight is the easiest and best way to work through our miserable last decade. There are enough complicit people involved in the debacle. I can wrap my head around DGs mistakes since returning, especially early on with Solder and that loser of a RG. But at least for me, I can't ignore the positive elements around his roster upgrades. What I can't wrap my head around is counting wins and losses in DGs first year and hanging that on his "losing record." "Facts" have to stand up to scrutiny to get my attention. This. None of us know if there was an assumption from the top that the Giants would continue to try to win with Eli. If ownership expected Eli to be part of the solution, that would at least partially absolve DG for the first year. With that said, no more excuses at this point. This is DGs last shot. The Giants may have to make the playoffs this year or he is out. This is probably Jones last chance as well. Its going to suck if the Giants have to start over next year.... I am a 100% believer that ownership wanted a GM that would be willing to try and rebuild while giving the NYGs with Eli one more shot at a ring. DG was in agreement. I am not a DG apologist but I also wont just shit on him for no reason. He did inherit a project. With that said I thought for sure he was retiring after last season.
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Post by jb456 on Apr 3, 2021 19:55:31 GMT -5
This. None of us know if there was an assumption from the top that the Giants would continue to try to win with Eli. If ownership expected Eli to be part of the solution, that would at least partially absolve DG for the first year. With that said, no more excuses at this point. This is DGs last shot. The Giants may have to make the playoffs this year or he is out. This is probably Jones last chance as well. Its going to suck if the Giants have to start over next year.... I am a 100% believer that ownership wanted a GM that would be willing to try and rebuild while giving the NYGs with Eli one more shot at a ring. DG was in agreement. I am not a DG apologist but I also wont just shit on him for no reason. He did inherit a project. With that said I thought for sure he was retiring after last season. It really didn't make sense for DG to continue after the Shurmer debacle. It would have made to.much sense for a new GM to come in with a new coach. Now, if this year doesn't work out, the Giants will be forcing a new GM to keep judge. Regardless of our opinions about judge, this will limit the new pool of GMs since they won't be involved in the decision to pick a coach. Let's just hope the Giants succeed this year and don't go down that rabbit hole....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 19:57:29 GMT -5
Oh my, the list of excuses is getting longer and longer.
It has to now be a "second year QB" Then add the coordinator. Then add the new HC. I must say I'm impressed with the length of the list, but the specificity is what's striking. Baker Mayfield was on his 4th coordinator in 3 seasons. He had a new HC....his 4th. Oh wait, it was year 3 instead of year 2 for him. Forget it, that makes all the difference.
The Dolphins had a rookie QB. Oh wait.....2nd year HC. That's another disqualifier as an excuse.
The Redskins had no QB, a new HC, new coordinators. I'm sure you'll find some other excuse for us in relation to them.
The reality that the pandemic made it difficult for every team, and it did in many different ways. using that as an excuse, as if every other team didn't have to deal with the exact same thing....is weak......VERY weak.
Answer all of these questions: 1) Do you feel the Giants are moving in the right direction? Y or N 2) Do you feel that Judge is the Giants coach of the future? Y or N 3) Do you feel that Daniel Jones has a chance to develop into the Giants franchise QB? Y or N 4) How many games do you predict the Giants win in 2020? If you answer yes to 1 and 2, get ready for some more DG.... I think this is DG's swan song regardless. His health is a big issue. He's hoping to go out leaving them better than when he got them.
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Post by jb456 on Apr 3, 2021 20:02:47 GMT -5
Answer all of these questions: 1) Do you feel the Giants are moving in the right direction? Y or N 2) Do you feel that Judge is the Giants coach of the future? Y or N 3) Do you feel that Daniel Jones has a chance to develop into the Giants franchise QB? Y or N 4) How many games do you predict the Giants win in 2020? If you answer yes to 1 and 2, get ready for some more DG.... I think this is DG's swan song regardless. His health is a big issue. He's hoping to go out leaving them better than when he got them. That's an interesting theory. You think he would bow out even if the Giants make the playoffs and perhaps win a playoff game? Yeah, I know know, far fetched at this point but I usually like to test theories by taking them to an extreme.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 20:21:42 GMT -5
I think this is DG's swan song regardless. His health is a big issue. He's hoping to go out leaving them better than when he got them. That's an interesting theory. You think he would bow out even if the Giants make the playoffs and perhaps win a playoff game? Yeah, I know know, far fetched at this point but I usually like to test theories by taking them to an extreme. I think he would like to come back. I just think his health is a factor.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 3, 2021 20:24:06 GMT -5
I think this is DG's swan song regardless. His health is a big issue. He's hoping to go out leaving them better than when he got them. That's an interesting theory. You think he would bow out even if the Giants make the playoffs and perhaps win a playoff game? Yeah, I know know, far fetched at this point but I usually like to test theories by taking them to an extreme. I would think It's Judge's ass on the line if the team doesn't win. I don't see how it's anyone else's fault if the Giants can't win with all this talent on the roster.
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Post by jb456 on Apr 3, 2021 20:30:51 GMT -5
That's an interesting theory. You think he would bow out even if the Giants make the playoffs and perhaps win a playoff game? Yeah, I know know, far fetched at this point but I usually like to test theories by taking them to an extreme. I would think It's Judge's ass on the line if the team doesn't win. I don't see how it's anyone else's fault if he can't win with all this talent on the roster. Oh, the coaches should bare the brunt of the criticism if the team doesn't produce wins but DG won't get another chance if the Giants flop this year. I believe there were stories of management's dissatisfaction with the current state of the team (wins and loses). Zero change DG is the Giants GM in 2022 if the team flops in 2021.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 3, 2021 20:34:42 GMT -5
I would think It's Judge's ass on the line if the team doesn't win. I don't see how it's anyone else's fault if he can't win with all this talent on the roster. Oh, the coaches should bare the brunt of the criticism if the team doesn't produce wins but DG won't get another chance if the Giants flop this year. I believe there were stories of management's dissatisfaction with the current state of the team (wins and loses). Zero change DG is the Giants GM in 2022 if the team flops in 2021. I don't think Judge would be fired if we didn't win. But the honeymoon would definitely be over. And Gettleman is definitely in trouble if Jones bombs. Fortunately I don't see any of those things happening.
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 3, 2021 21:48:24 GMT -5
It is hysterical that you'd try to drop that one on DG. After 2007, it became JR's legacy. We actually had our best draft in a long time last year. (probably since 2007) MS HATED anyone bringing up the fact that JR had to drop $200M in 2016 to make up for his bad drafts...and that the difference between TC and McAdoo’s records may have had something to do with dropping all that money in FA .... Well allow me to retort. JR had spent a few years putting us in a good cap situation to sign those guys. BUT....after doing that, we had to win. JJ, Vernon and Snacks came aboard. So we went 11-5 in 2016. That was a good result. But then it fell apart, as it often does when you rely on high priced free agents. So he was fired. I was fine with that. He had too many bad misses in the last several years on his tenure.
What I have NOT been fine with is the villainization of JR since. We DID win 2 SB's with him as our GM. He had some bad...but he had a lot of good as well.
That aside...here we are in the same position. Lot's of misses in our team building in the past several years, so we sign a bunch of high priced free agents. OK...well we better win now. I fear that after 2021, we might be in the same position as we were in 2017. It can fall apart fast when you don't succeed in the traditions methods of team building.
The lessons of our recent past should be paid attention to. And unlike JR, there hasn't been any good to go with the bad with Dave.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 3, 2021 22:01:54 GMT -5
MS HATED anyone bringing up the fact that JR had to drop $200M in 2016 to make up for his bad drafts...and that the difference between TC and McAdoo’s records may have had something to do with dropping all that money in FA .... Well allow me to retort. JR had spent a few years putting us in a good cap situation to sign those guys. BUT....after doing that, we had to win. JJ, Vernon and Snacks came aboard. So we went 11-5 in 2016. That was a good result. But then it fell apart, as it often does when you rely on high priced free agents. So he was fired. I was fine with that. He had too many bad misses in the last several years on his tenure.
What I have NOT been fine with is the villainization of JR since. We DID win 2 SB's with him as our GM. He had some bad...but he had a lot of good as well.
That aside...here we are in the same position. Lot's of misses in our team building in the past several years, so we sign a bunch of high priced free agents. OK...well we better win now. I fear that after 2021, we might be in the same position as we were in 2017. It can fall apart fast when you don't succeed in the traditions methods of team building.
The lessons of our recent past should be paid attention to. And unlike JR, there hasn't been any good to go with the bad with Dave.
I don’t disagree with any of this
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Post by Zimonami on Apr 3, 2021 22:17:58 GMT -5
This is the year where it need to leap (not just move) forward....and not just how we feel about the roster but what our record says about the team. DGs first year was a throw away, some just won't admit it. Whatever the record, it was mostly the sorry sad sacks that JR had assembled on that roster. That was followed by a few healthy mistakes in FA but the last 2 years (let's see how this draft goes) have seemed to be quite good including the possibility that we have replaced our franchise QB with one who could be that guy. DG owns this roster now, enough time has passed and so.... Last chance motel for DG this year. I am excited to see how it goes. Agree with all you say.... many forget that everyone realized DG had to make a damned near entire roster turn around. And, his FA picks the first two years was putrid. But it's been pretty solid in FA and drafts since then. I think he and Judge have a decent amount of respect for each other and work well together... They'll have their priorities in order this draft and I am excited about what's being put together. One thing I'm looking forward to is to see if Peart can develop into as first class OT... puts Solder on the bench for depth, and Thomas continues progressing past the nice second half of the season he had last year. With a very solid OLine and some weapons, we might just become exciting and relevant. It's been too long since we've seen some magic out there.
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Post by Zimonami on Apr 3, 2021 22:50:36 GMT -5
That's an interesting theory. You think he would bow out even if the Giants make the playoffs and perhaps win a playoff game? Yeah, I know know, far fetched at this point but I usually like to test theories by taking them to an extreme. I would think It's Judge's ass on the line if the team doesn't win. I don't see how it's anyone else's fault if the Giants can't win with all this talent on the roster. I don't think I agree, unless we're 6-10 again. Is JJ 40 yet? Straight from a position coach to HC and starting with a rebuilding and losing team. I think he will be a great coach and needs time to get some more experience. Not too many started their tenure as a HC at such an early age, and were successful quickly. He's going to make mistakes as he learns, but his ceiling is high. The characteristics of this guy were such that BB personally took him under his wing because he saw the signs of a budding good coach. Mara will be disappointed if we have anything worse than 8-8, but he'll have patience, and I'd agree with that.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 4, 2021 4:53:26 GMT -5
That's an interesting theory. You think he would bow out even if the Giants make the playoffs and perhaps win a playoff game? Yeah, I know know, far fetched at this point but I usually like to test theories by taking them to an extreme. I would think It's Judge's ass on the line if the team doesn't win. I don't see how it's anyone else's fault if the Giants can't win with all this talent on the roster. Well, if It turns out that Jones isn’t “the guy” at QB we aren’t going to win a lot of games. You would put that on Judge?
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Post by Roswell on Apr 4, 2021 5:53:26 GMT -5
MS HATED anyone bringing up the fact that JR had to drop $200M in 2016 to make up for his bad drafts...and that the difference between TC and McAdoo’s records may have had something to do with dropping all that money in FA .... Yes, I know that but keeping the facts straight is the easiest and best way to work through our miserable last decade. There are enough complicit people involved in the debacle. I can wrap my head around DGs mistakes since returning, especially early on with Solder and that loser of a RG. But at least for me, I can't ignore the positive elements around his roster upgrades. What I can't wrap my head around is counting wins and losses in DGs first year and hanging that on his "losing record." "Facts" have to stand up to scrutiny to get my attention. Agreed. I’ll make it easier for you Jomo. So there’s no confusion. If a move gets made and it turns out beneficial then it was Judge. If a move gets made that’s a detriment, then it’s DG. See how easy that is? The best player on their D? Bradberry? A Judge move. Never mind the fact the DG drafted him. L. Williams? He’s here because of Judge. Gano? Judge. Every draft pick that pans out? Judge. Delusional.
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Post by Roswell on Apr 4, 2021 6:29:42 GMT -5
Well allow me to retort. JR had spent a few years putting us in a good cap situation to sign those guys. BUT....after doing that, we had to win. JJ, Vernon and Snacks came aboard. So we went 11-5 in 2016. That was a good result. But then it fell apart, as it often does when you rely on high priced free agents. So he was fired. I was fine with that. He had too many bad misses in the last several years on his tenure.
What I have NOT been fine with is the villainization of JR since. We DID win 2 SB's with him as our GM. He had some bad...but he had a lot of good as well.
That aside...here we are in the same position. Lot's of misses in our team building in the past several years, so we sign a bunch of high priced free agents. OK...well we better win now. I fear that after 2021, we might be in the same position as we were in 2017. It can fall apart fast when you don't succeed in the traditions methods of team building.
The lessons of our recent past should be paid attention to. And unlike JR, there hasn't been any good to go with the bad with Dave.
I don’t disagree with any of this The more I think about it, considering the year Barkley put up as a rookie, the Giants might not have won a single game in 2018 without him. That’s how bad the franchise was left from all of the Reese misses in his last few drafts. That 2017 team was so bad on defense it was legendary. The talent was so bad, that a 2 time SB champion DC couldn’t make it work. Reese was exceptional his first 5 years and horrendous his last 5 years. Horrendous. Worse than first year DG bad. This defense that is poised to be a top D in the league? DG deserves a lot of credit for it. In 2017 the Giants were 31st points scored and 31st in yards allowed. That’s what DG inherited. That was how Reese left the team. You guys want to hang the 2018 record on DG? Be my guest. More facts in a vacuum. We can go on and on about their record and how all of the blame should be on the GM if you want. The bottom line is that everything is riding on the QB. If he performs well in his jump year, it’s all good. If he doesn’t, then DG is out. But this team is better than the team Reese left him by a long shot.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 4, 2021 7:14:04 GMT -5
I don’t disagree with any of this The more I think about it, considering the year Barkley put up as a rookie, the Giants might not have won a single game in 2018 without him. That’s how bad the franchise was left from all of the Reese misses in his last few drafts. That 2017 team was so bad on defense it was legendary. The talent was so bad, that a 2 time SB champion DC couldn’t make it work. Reese was exceptional his first 5 years and horrendous his last 5 years. Horrendous. Worse than first year DG bad. This defense that is poised to be a top D in the league? DG deserves a lot of credit for it. In 2017 the Giants were 31st points scored and 31st in yards allowed. That’s what DG inherited. That was how Reese left the team. You guys want to hang the 2018 record on DG? Be my guest. More facts in a vacuum. We can go on and on about their record and how all of the blame should be on the GM if you want. The bottom line is that everything is riding on the QB. If he performs well in his jump year, it’s all good. If he doesn’t, then DG is out. But this team is better than the team Reese left him by a long shot. To be fair, he and the team admittedly made poor decisions in 2018 that have delayed the improvement of this team
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 4, 2021 7:20:05 GMT -5
Yes, I know that but keeping the facts straight is the easiest and best way to work through our miserable last decade. There are enough complicit people involved in the debacle. I can wrap my head around DGs mistakes since returning, especially early on with Solder and that loser of a RG. But at least for me, I can't ignore the positive elements around his roster upgrades. What I can't wrap my head around is counting wins and losses in DGs first year and hanging that on his "losing record." "Facts" have to stand up to scrutiny to get my attention. Agreed. I’ll make it easier for you Jomo. So there’s no confusion. If a move gets made and it turns out beneficial then it was Judge. If a move gets made that’s a detriment, then it’s DG. See how easy that is? The best player on their D? Bradberry? A Judge move. Never mind the fact the DG drafted him. L. Williams? He’s here because of Judge. Gano? Judge. Every draft pick that pans out? Judge. Delusional. I actually don’t see people doing this at all ... most agree that Gettleman had a good 2020
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Post by Roswell on Apr 4, 2021 7:56:02 GMT -5
Agreed. I’ll make it easier for you Jomo. So there’s no confusion. If a move gets made and it turns out beneficial then it was Judge. If a move gets made that’s a detriment, then it’s DG. See how easy that is? The best player on their D? Bradberry? A Judge move. Never mind the fact the DG drafted him. L. Williams? He’s here because of Judge. Gano? Judge. Every draft pick that pans out? Judge. Delusional. I actually don’t see people doing this at all ... most agree that Gettleman had a good 2020 I don’t know about that. I keep reading from the 15-33 crowd that this is Joe Judge’s team. And he made all of the good decisions. Point being there was plenty of blame to go around for the last bunch of years but most of the posts direct it all at the GM. In 2018 the owner wanted to build around Eli. So he definitely shares in the blame. Couple that with a horrible inherited roster. Reese shares in the blame. There were plenty of mistakes in 2018. Plenty of blame to go around. Not just the GM. 2 years of Shurmur. A very good coordinator but a horrible HC. He shares in the blame. 2019. A rookie QB. Teams usually have rough years with a rookie QB. Excuses yeah, but valid excuses. I look at this team and see some holes, but, with new coaches and a new QB, a much better team than it was at the start of 2018. At the end of 2017 it was the worst Giant team I had ever seen and they had a great WR and a 2 time SB MVP QB in the lineup. That’s how bad the rest of the team was. Nobody complained when they signed Solder and got rid of Flowers. Didn’t work out but at the time, it was the right move. Tons of people complained when they traded Beckham. Addition by subtraction. To this day, still the right move. Lots of people wanted Darnold or Rosen. Where are they three years in? Haskins? Lots of people wanted him. I thought our GM had the best off season in the league last year. This year was another strong off season. I know that doesn’t mean anything until the wins come but the idea is that the choices they made will pay dividends on the scoreboard this year. The D is built. Oline still needs a piece or 2. Weapons are there. Especially in the red zone. At this point it’s all about Jones. The rest is just window dressing.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 4, 2021 8:08:13 GMT -5
I actually don’t see people doing this at all ... most agree that Gettleman had a good 2020 I don’t know about that. I keep reading that this is Joe Judge’s team. And he makes all of the decisions. Point being there was plenty of blame to go around for the last bunch of years but most of the posts direct it all at the GM. In 2018 the owner wanted to build around Eli. So he definitely shares in the blame. Couple that with a horrible inherited roster. Reese shares in the blame. There were plenty of mistakes in 2018. Plenty of blame to go around. Not just the GM. 2 years of Shurmur. A very good coordinator but a horrible HC. He shares in the blame. 2019. A rookie QB. Teams usually have rough years with a rookie QB. Excuses yeah, but valid excuses. I look at this team and see some holes, but, 2 coaches later and a new QB, a much better team than it was at the start of 2018. At the end of 2017 it was the worst Giant team I had ever seen and they had a great WR and a 2 time SB MVP QB in the lineup. That’s how bad the rest of the team was. Nobody complained when they signed Solder and got rid of Flowers. Didn’t work out but at the time, it was the right move. Tons of people complained when they traded Beckham. Addition by subtraction. To this day, still the right move. Lots of people wanted Darnold or Rosen. Where are they three years in? I thought our GM had the best off season in the league last year. This year was another strong off season. I know that doesn’t mean anything until the wins come but the idea is that the choices they made will pay dividends on the scoreboard this year. At this point it’s all about Jones. The rest is just window dressing. The GM is in charge of the team. If he is just following John Mara’s football plan for the team, why is he even here? Didn’t Gettleman hire Shurmur? Can’t hire a coach and then use him as an excuse. The Gettleman decision that pisses me off the most was drafting DeAndre Baker. The word was out there that this kid was a dog, and Gettleman either ignored it or didn’t do any due diligence whatsoever on the kid. He basically just tossed away a first round pick. GM malpractice of the highest order. I agree that Gettleman has done some good things too, and that the arrow appears to be trending up. His entire legacy will likely depend on Jones. If he turns into a franchise QB, most will forget Gettleman’s early missteps. If Jones flops, Gettleman will forever be a NYG punchline.
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Post by Roswell on Apr 4, 2021 8:11:40 GMT -5
I don’t know about that. I keep reading from the 15-33 crowd that this is Joe Judge’s team. And he makes all of the good decisions. Point being there was plenty of blame to go around for the last bunch of years but most of the posts direct it all at the GM. In 2018 the owner wanted to build around Eli. So he definitely shares in the blame. Couple that with a horrible inherited roster. Reese shares in the blame. There were plenty of mistakes in 2018. Plenty of blame to go around. Not just the GM. 2 years of Shurmur. A very good coordinator but a horrible HC. He shares in the blame. 2019. A rookie QB. Teams usually have rough years with a rookie QB. Excuses yeah, but valid excuses. I look at this team and see some holes, but, with new coaches and a new QB, a much better team than it was at the start of 2018. At the end of 2017 it was the worst Giant team I had ever seen and they had a great WR and a 2 time SB MVP QB in the lineup. That’s how bad the rest of the team was. Nobody complained when they signed Solder and got rid of Flowers. Didn’t work out but at the time, it was the right move. Tons of people complained when they traded Beckham. Addition by subtraction. To this day, still the right move. Lots of people wanted Darnold or Rosen. Where are they three years in? I thought our GM had the best off season in the league last year. This year was another strong off season. I know that doesn’t mean anything until the wins come but the idea is that the choices they made will pay dividends on the scoreboard this year. At this point it’s all about Jones. The rest is just window dressing. The GM is in charge of the team. If he is just following John Mara’s football plan for the team, why is he even here? Didn’t Gettleman hire Shurmur? Can’t hire a coach and then use him as an excuse. The Gettleman decision that pisses me off the most was drafting DeAndre Baker. The word was out there that this kid was a dog, and Gettleman either ignored it or didn’t do any due diligence whatsoever on the kid. He basically just tossed away a first round pick. GM malpractice of the highest order. I agree that Gettleman has done some good things too, and that the arrow appears to be trending up. His entire legacy will likely depend on Jones. If he turns into a franchise QB, most will forget his early missteps. If Jones flops, Gettleman will forever be a NYG punchline. I don’t think that in the Giant organization that the coach is hired by the GM. The rest of what you wrote I agree with. Especially Baker. They could’ve had Metcalf or AJ Brown and another pick.
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 4, 2021 8:30:06 GMT -5
I have no problem with it being Joe's team as long as we keep showing progress, other wise compliments are just meaningless .. With all due respect...."showing progress" is a bullshit standard.
We have to win. And we have to win THIS year. We couldn't do it with normal team building, like building through the draft. So now we had to go all out in free agency. There is no excuse not to win 11 games. It's time to break out, not just "show progress".
You're right, it is a bullshit standard and but its what we all want to see since we've seen so much crap football for so long. Showing progress is something crap teams settle for, at this point we should be ready to play with the big boys...
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 4, 2021 8:31:07 GMT -5
I have no problem with it being Joe's team as long as we keep showing progress, other wise compliments are just meaningless .. With all due respect...."showing progress" is a bullshit standard.
We have to win. And we have to win THIS year. We couldn't do it with normal team building, like building through the draft. So now we had to go all out in free agency. There is no excuse not to win 11 games. It's time to break out, not just "show progress".
You're right, it is a bullshit standard but it's what we all want to see since we've seen so much crap football for so long. Showing progress is something crap teams settle for, at this point we should be ready to play with the big boys...
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Post by Roswell on Apr 4, 2021 9:06:10 GMT -5
I have no problem with it being Joe's team as long as we keep showing progress, other wise compliments are just meaningless .. With all due respect...."showing progress" is a bullshit standard.
We have to win. And we have to win THIS year. We couldn't do it with normal team building, like building through the draft. So now we had to go all out in free agency. There is no excuse not to win 11 games. It's time to break out, not just "show progress".
Pretty sure that this off season makes the statement that the Giants are in a win now mode.
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Post by jb456 on Apr 4, 2021 9:14:55 GMT -5
With all due respect...."showing progress" is a bullshit standard.
We have to win. And we have to win THIS year. We couldn't do it with normal team building, like building through the draft. So now we had to go all out in free agency. There is no excuse not to win 11 games. It's time to break out, not just "show progress".
You're right, it is a bullshit standard but it's what we all want to see since we've seen so much crap football for so long. Showing progress is something crap teams settle for, at this point we should be ready to play with the big boys... I thought you actually meant winning games was the progress. At this point, that's the only progress there is.
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 4, 2021 9:27:28 GMT -5
With all due respect...."showing progress" is a bullshit standard.
We have to win. And we have to win THIS year. We couldn't do it with normal team building, like building through the draft. So now we had to go all out in free agency. There is no excuse not to win 11 games. It's time to break out, not just "show progress".
Pretty sure that this off season makes the statement that the Giants are in a win now mode. Absolutely. They have to win this year. Not just show progress.
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Post by Roswell on Apr 4, 2021 9:33:37 GMT -5
Pretty sure that this off season makes the statement that the Giants are in a win now mode. Absolutely. They have to win this year. Not just show progress. That division is there for the taking. There are no valid excuses left. Even from an apologist like me. Win or go home.
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