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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 7:48:48 GMT -5
Just another reason for fans to bitch. If the kid is a baller all of this will be forgotten. If he busts, it will become an "I told you so" moment. Sadly, some fans would rather have that moment.
Either way, at this time of year, it means absolutely nothing. Zero.
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Post by scoostraw on Jun 13, 2021 8:00:20 GMT -5
These guys get the chance of a lifetime to be a part of an NFL team and then treat it like it's nothing. This kid better turn out to be a superstar. You mean like Beckham right.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jun 13, 2021 9:05:56 GMT -5
The Giants were not happy with him. So after reading the report, this part was completely made up by you lol. Neither the article or the quote from Duggan mentions the Giants not being happy. Perplexed was used.
You know how some people around here can take something like "Giants not happy" with him and spin it out of control.
Use of the word perplexed sounds measured. I don’t feel the responsibility to be that PC. I simply offered my interpretation of what I read instead of posting the actual article. I noticed that I wrote Toney missed 2 weeks of time with Jones rather than the 3 weeks that was reported. Believe me when I tell you there was I no intent in trying to create a story.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jun 13, 2021 9:07:16 GMT -5
In that same report I read, they noted that his skills were noticeable when he got his chance to make some plays. Aha. So he is a football player. More specifically, a wide receiver.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jun 13, 2021 9:50:49 GMT -5
Tony as a rookie should be more acceptable to everything. He has a brand new situation he has a lot to learn. IMO he should be there as much as possible. He will have all of July to rest up for the season. At 22 years old a month is eternity to recover.
He certainly isn't just walking in here and get a load of playing time. He might never have had to do that in his life but as of today he is #5 WR on our depth chart. And there are guys like Pettis that will be fighting for time as well.
As long as he is healthy for camp and knows what his assignments are. I'm hoping we would be able to do everything with him that we could've if we drafted Waddle.
This is the beginning of their 6 weeks off. Just be ready in August, and he better show up then ready to go.
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Post by SG88 on Jun 13, 2021 9:55:42 GMT -5
You want to know a receiver who was 4th on the depth chart just prior to their season starting? Justin Jefferson. Some of you need to chill and stop falling for the clickbait. Any promotion will have to be earned and his will be earned in due time. It isn't even the middle of June yet.
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Post by TCHOF on Jun 13, 2021 10:00:33 GMT -5
You want to know a receiver who was 4th on the depth chart just prior to their season starting? Justin Jefferson. Some of you need to chill and stop falling for the clickbait. Any promotion will have to be earned and his will be earned in due time. It isn't even the middle of June yet. It’s not “falling for clickbait” to be concerned that our first round pick was the only first round pick in the NFL to blow off OTA’s.
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Post by scoostraw on Jun 13, 2021 10:10:35 GMT -5
You want to know a receiver who was 4th on the depth chart just prior to their season starting? Justin Jefferson. Some of you need to chill and stop falling for the clickbait. Any promotion will have to be earned and his will be earned in due time. It isn't even the middle of June yet. It’s not “falling for clickbait” to be concerned that our first round pick was the only first round pick in the NFL to blow off OTA’s. To be honest, this is one of the things that turns me off to professional sports any more.
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Post by McCherry on Jun 13, 2021 10:21:07 GMT -5
Well he did skip OTAs so I'm not sure he will even make the roster.
Truthfully it depends how they want to use him. Our #1 is set and our slot is set. So what is Toney's role going to be? I look forward to seeing it play out on the field.
The ONLY thing set is Golladay....assuming he's can stay on the field.
If you think our other WR's are "set" then you may have forgotten how bad they were last year.
If Shepard is healthy, he will be the starting slot receiver week 1. That could change as the season progresses.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jun 13, 2021 10:31:23 GMT -5
You want to know a receiver who was 4th on the depth chart just prior to their season starting? Justin Jefferson. Some of you need to chill and stop falling for the clickbait. Any promotion will have to be earned and his will be earned in due time. It isn't even the middle of June yet. Every player has the opportunity to steer the perception of him in particular direction. When a player invites scrutiny, that’s on that player, and the idea of a fan arguing on behalf of our top rookie blowing off the OTA’s seems odd. I can understand family and close friends being pro player over team, and I can understand fans being pro the long-time vet who’s helped win Championships now with a team in transition. But in this case, we are trying to build a winning culture and this kid is a rookie. The best that can be said about him right now is he must be immature.
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Post by SG88 on Jun 13, 2021 11:00:54 GMT -5
You want to know a receiver who was 4th on the depth chart just prior to their season starting? Justin Jefferson. Some of you need to chill and stop falling for the clickbait. Any promotion will have to be earned and his will be earned in due time. It isn't even the middle of June yet. It’s not “falling for clickbait” to be concerned that our first round pick was the only first round pick in the NFL to blow off OTA’s. Does anyone know exactly why he missed voluntary OTA's? I read on Twitter by a few people that he missed them because of contract stuff and then had to leave some session early because of a family emergency. Speaking for myself, I will start being concerned if he misses any of the mandatory meetings. I just don't have it in me to trip off of voluntary meetings when they're not mandatory, regardless of him being the only first round rookie not to show up. The Giants don't seem to be pissed about it, so I'm not going to be. Check out this link right here. I am more in line with his thinking about the subject matter: empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-giants/new-york-giants-reacting-to-the-ridiculous-kadarius-toney-bust-narrative/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Jun 13, 2021 11:11:56 GMT -5
Unless he had a medical issue that was preventing him from being there, why wouldn't he WANT to be there, even if it was voluntary?
This is presumably his dream job: to be an NFL player, unless of course he just wants to do this for a season or two and then get on with his real dream of being a door to door vacuum salesman.
If MY agent was telling me "oh don't go; your contract isn't settled and blah blah" I'd be like "I'm going and I won't be needing your services anymore" because to me, I know I'd be getting my money, but more importantly I'd want to savor every moment of being around my team, even if it just means stretching and farting.
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Post by bluebuddha on Jun 13, 2021 11:49:46 GMT -5
The ONLY thing set is Golladay....assuming he's can stay on the field.
If you think our other WR's are "set" then you may have forgotten how bad they were last year.
If Shepard is healthy, he will be the starting slot receiver week 1. That could change as the season progresses. Agreed. Judge even stated he likes how much Shepard and Martinez naturally show they love football when they are are the field. It was in MMQB series this past Monday. Alot of good quotes by Judge on OTAs and the team in general. www.si.com/nfl/2021/06/07/mmqb-what-you-need-to-know-about-julio-jones-trade-daily-cover
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Post by Roosevelt on Jun 13, 2021 11:59:34 GMT -5
It’s not “falling for clickbait” to be concerned that our first round pick was the only first round pick in the NFL to blow off OTA’s. Does anyone know exactly why he missed voluntary OTA's? I read on Twitter by a few people that he missed them because of contract stuff and then had to leave some session early because of a family emergency. Speaking for myself, I will start being concerned if he misses any of the mandatory meetings. I just don't have it in me to trip off of voluntary meetings when they're not mandatory, regardless of him being the only first round rookie not to show up. The Giants don't seem to be pissed about it, so I'm not going to be. Check out this link right here. I am more in line with his thinking about the subject matter: empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-giants/new-york-giants-reacting-to-the-ridiculous-kadarius-toney-bust-narrative/amp/?__twitter_impression=trueFlorio is nothing but a drama queen. We shouldn’t conflate serious discussions about our #1 pick with Florio’s nonsense.
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Post by SG88 on Jun 13, 2021 12:46:00 GMT -5
Does anyone know exactly why he missed voluntary OTA's? I read on Twitter by a few people that he missed them because of contract stuff and then had to leave some session early because of a family emergency. Speaking for myself, I will start being concerned if he misses any of the mandatory meetings. I just don't have it in me to trip off of voluntary meetings when they're not mandatory, regardless of him being the only first round rookie not to show up. The Giants don't seem to be pissed about it, so I'm not going to be. Check out this link right here. I am more in line with his thinking about the subject matter: empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-giants/new-york-giants-reacting-to-the-ridiculous-kadarius-toney-bust-narrative/amp/?__twitter_impression=trueFlorio is nothing but a drama queen. We shouldn’t conflate serious discussions about our #1 pick with Florio’s nonsense. Yeah I agree with that. He is a hot take ho, similar to people like Chris Simms, Nick Wright, Skip Bayless, and Adam Schein for example. It is impossible to take him and a lot of people in the media seriously.
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Post by moecoastie on Jun 13, 2021 12:53:02 GMT -5
obviously the source article written by Duggan is blocked behind a pay-wall so I can only go off the quoted section which isnt really a report of anything. Maybe you can enlighten me because quoting someone who is taking guesses at why KT missed practices is not very compelling to me. Unless you consider his "understanding of the situation" compelling, I find his "understanding" of many situations lacking as I have already expressed by my previous posts. Why do you think Toney blew off OTA’s? Seems like you don’t like objectivity when it comes to your team. Remember when you almost cried when I suggested that Gettleman’s tenure should be evaluated based on wins and losses? Good times lol...cried..thats funny. Why do I care what KT does in June of his rookie season? Like seriously, its not even training camp yet . Youre talking about stuff 2 months after he got drafted...like seriously? You think youre gonna see stuff that will materialize years or months down the road? LOL...I guess that's the goal of some who like to snap to judgements over nothing (its funny, those who do this never seem to keep score). I have, its about 90% chance the offseason stories turn out to be nothing (see, analytics!) Lets review this...YOU are freaking out over something KT did or didnt do 2 months after he got drafted. That's sad. Like who the hell remembers what anyone did 2 months after they got drafted (that's your queue to feverishly search google). Definitely doesnt effect much in the whole grand scheme of things. You'll prolly rationalize it but the reality is, NOTHING ever really materializes from a rookie missing OTAs. That's a fact. But you go ahead and keep making a mountain out of a mole hill. I cant change it, I can just watch the show.
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Post by moecoastie on Jun 13, 2021 13:10:37 GMT -5
It’s not “falling for clickbait” to be concerned that our first round pick was the only first round pick in the NFL to blow off OTA’s. To be honest, this is one of the things that turns me off to professional sports any more. yes, they turn a common occurrence into a national tragedy. I feel sorry for those who are easily sucked into this but not really. Its fun watching them make an arse out of themselves and scramble to rationalize their opinions. Reality is, this is pretty common and rarely effects anything past year 1..if at all. This sorta stuff happens all the time.. Some posters are so hyperfocused on the NYG that they lack perspective on what happens in the rest of the league. There are countless examples of this
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Post by scoostraw on Jun 13, 2021 13:15:20 GMT -5
To be honest, this is one of the things that turns me off to professional sports any more. Some posters are so hyperfocused on the NYG that they lack perspective on what happens in the rest of the league. There are countless examples of this You mean like the fact that our first round pick was the only first round pick in the NFL to blow off OTA’s?
Oh it happens all the time. Except for every other team in the NFL apparently.
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Post by moecoastie on Jun 13, 2021 13:22:38 GMT -5
Some posters are so hyperfocused on the NYG that they lack perspective on what happens in the rest of the league. There are countless examples of this You mean like the fact that our first round pick was the only first round pick in the NFL to blow off OTA’s?
Oh it happens all the time. Except for every other team in the NFL apparently.
ever?
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Post by moecoastie on Jun 13, 2021 13:24:07 GMT -5
You want to know a receiver who was 4th on the depth chart just prior to their season starting? Justin Jefferson. Some of you need to chill and stop falling for the clickbait. Any promotion will have to be earned and his will be earned in due time. It isn't even the middle of June yet. It’s not “falling for clickbait” to be concerned that our first round pick was the only first round pick in the NFL to blow off OTA’s. What happened to previous rookies who missed OTAs? Did a good portion of them turn out to be busts? Did they lose valuable playing time during the regular season? Did it effect them in year 2? Of course you'll rationalize it and say this and that could happen (like most theorycrafting internet sleuths)..but the reality speaks for itself.
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Post by scoostraw on Jun 13, 2021 13:25:32 GMT -5
I'm a fan and I don't like it.
But that's just me I guess.
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Post by TCHOF on Jun 13, 2021 13:39:27 GMT -5
Why do you think Toney blew off OTA’s? Seems like you don’t like objectivity when it comes to your team. Remember when you almost cried when I suggested that Gettleman’s tenure should be evaluated based on wins and losses? Good times lol...cried..thats funny. Why do I care what KT does in June of his rookie season? Like seriously, its not even training camp yet . Youre talking about stuff 2 months after he got drafted...like seriously? You think youre gonna see stuff that will materialize years or months down the road? LOL...I guess that's the goal of some who like to snap to judgements over nothing (its funny, those who do this never seem to keep score). I have, its about 90% chance the offseason stories turn out to be nothing (see, analytics!) Lets review this...YOU are freaking out over something KT did or didnt do 2 months after he got drafted. That's sad. Like who the hell remembers what anyone did 2 months after they got drafted (that's your queue to feverishly search google). Definitely doesnt effect much in the whole grand scheme of things. You'll prolly rationalize it but the reality is, NOTHING ever really materializes from a rookie missing OTAs. That's a fact. But you go ahead and keep making a mountain out of a mole hill. I cant change it, I can just watch the show. Freaking out ... lol. ok
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Post by TCHOF on Jun 13, 2021 13:40:48 GMT -5
It’s not “falling for clickbait” to be concerned that our first round pick was the only first round pick in the NFL to blow off OTA’s. What happened to previous rookies who missed OTAs? Did a good portion of them turn out to be busts? Did they lose valuable playing time during the regular season? Did it effect them in year 2? Of course you'll rationalize it and say this and that could happen (like most theorycrafting internet sleuths)..but the reality speaks for itself. I’m not aware of any other rookies blowing off OTA’s. Are you?
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Post by moecoastie on Jun 13, 2021 13:44:19 GMT -5
I'm a fan and I don't like it. But that's just me I guess. of course we dont like it. Its obviously nothing to brag about but the reality of the situation is it has little bearing on anything going forward. Now if the guy ends up being an issue later we can look back on this as say it was a sign of things to come but the situation alone is pretty common. Im not saying every rookie does it, but there's always one or 2 every year and they pretty much end up fine. click baiters work off emotion...not reality.
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Post by scoostraw on Jun 13, 2021 13:47:46 GMT -5
I'm a fan and I don't like it. But that's just me I guess. Now if the guy ends up being an issue later we can look back on this as say it was a sign of things to come Unfortunately it very likely is a sign of things to come.
Hopefully not. But there's nothing I can do about it. The good news is it's just football. I'll continue to watch from afar until the first preseason game.
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Post by moecoastie on Jun 13, 2021 13:48:07 GMT -5
What happened to previous rookies who missed OTAs? Did a good portion of them turn out to be busts? Did they lose valuable playing time during the regular season? Did it effect them in year 2? Of course you'll rationalize it and say this and that could happen (like most theorycrafting internet sleuths)..but the reality speaks for itself. I’m not aware of any other rookies blowing off OTA’s. Are you? come on now, this cant be the first time in history a rookie didnt attend OTAs. Or is this the year that it actually matters? Is that what youre trying to sell?
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Post by moecoastie on Jun 13, 2021 13:50:09 GMT -5
Now if the guy ends up being an issue later we can look back on this as say it was a sign of things to come Unfortunately it very likely is a sign of things to come.
Hopefully not. But there's nothing I can do about it. The good news is it's just football. I'll continue to watch from afar until the first preseason game.
so when you say "very likely" am I to assume if I look at previous rookie 1st rounders who missed OTAs I will find a pattern of busts?
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Post by IrishMike on Jun 13, 2021 13:51:39 GMT -5
Well he did skip OTAs so I'm not sure he will even make the roster.
Truthfully it depends how they want to use him. Our #1 is set and our slot is set. So what is Toney's role going to be? I look forward to seeing it play out on the field.
The ONLY thing set is Golladay....assuming he's can stay on the field.
If you think our other WR's are "set" then you may have forgotten how bad they were last year.
Let me re-phrase. We are set heading into training camp. There is nothing Toney was going to show in rookie camp to take the #1 WR role or the slot role.
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Post by IrishMike on Jun 13, 2021 13:56:41 GMT -5
Use of the word perplexed sounds measured. I don’t feel the responsibility to be that PC. I simply offered my interpretation of what I read instead of posting the actual article. I noticed that I wrote Toney missed 2 weeks of time with Jones rather than the 3 weeks that was reported. Believe me when I tell you there was no intent in trying to create a story. Oh I believe you 100%. I also know how this place works. You post "this report says Giants aren't happy". Then Kruunch posts "the Giants themselves now have said they aren’t happy". Now it becomes fact that the Giants hate Toney because two people here posted a misquote from an article that had zero Giants sources lol.
It's all good. You have to know most people don't read the links you would post and just believe what you post. With great power comes great responsibility.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Jun 13, 2021 14:17:20 GMT -5
With great power comes great responsibility With all due respect to our fearless leader, I'm sure Rosie himself got a nice chuckle outta that one....this place ain't exactly the Pentagon.
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