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Post by Kruunch on Jul 6, 2021 18:36:46 GMT -5
I guess for me the reason DJ has some optimism and Rosen didn't is because Rosen never showed a single thing to be optimistic about. He had a horrible rookie year. Jones was on a horrible team his rookie season and still showed flashes of greatness.
Is it fair that some people get more chances than other people? No. But that is life in the NFL. Rosen simply never showed any sign of being good enough to make someone say "hey wait we have something here", in two separate chances. Had he played like Baker Mayfield I doubt he would be out of the NFL.
Jones even might've been in a worse position than Rosen as a rookie and set records. The 2019 Giants are one of the all-time worst Giants teams ever. Jones has played in 2 systems in 2 years, with a talentless offense and one of the worst offensive lines in football. What QB has ever been given less chance to succeed? Josh Rosen played for the Cardinals. They’re the Detroit Lions of the desert. He also was coached by Steve Wilks. Never heard of him? No one has. He lasted one year before being shipped out. The Cardinals biggest weapon was a player who was collecting social security, Larry Fitzgerald. You act as Jones is playing for the Saudi Arabia Juggernauts. You want to talk about rough starts, Josh Rosen is being tossed around like a cheap hooker. What team is he on now? 49ers..
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Post by GameTime on Jul 6, 2021 18:46:32 GMT -5
Jones even might've been in a worse position than Rosen as a rookie and set records. The 2019 Giants are one of the all-time worst Giants teams ever. Jones has played in 2 systems in 2 years, with a talentless offense and one of the worst offensive lines in football. What QB has ever been given less chance to succeed? Josh Rosen played for the Cardinals. They’re the Detroit Lions of the dessert. He also was coached by Steve Wilks. Never heard of him? No one has. He lasted one year before being shipped out. The Cardinals biggest weapon was a player who was collecting social security, Larry Fitzgerald. You act as Jones is playing for the Saudi Arabia Juggernauts. You want to talk about rough starts, Josh Rosen is being tossed around like a cheap hooker. What team is he on now? 49ers.. he also was said to have a bad attitude towards coaches and a rep of being hard to coach. Rosen had a raw deal but he didnt help himself at all. On either team he was on.
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 6, 2021 18:50:38 GMT -5
Josh Rosen played for the Cardinals. They’re the Detroit Lions of the dessert. He also was coached by Steve Wilks. Never heard of him? No one has. He lasted one year before being shipped out. The Cardinals biggest weapon was a player who was collecting social security, Larry Fitzgerald. You act as Jones is playing for the Saudi Arabia Juggernauts. You want to talk about rough starts, Josh Rosen is being tossed around like a cheap hooker. What team is he on now? 49ers.. he also was said to have a bad attitude towards coaches and a rep of being hard to coach. Rosen had a raw deal but he didnt help himself at all. On either team he was on. That goes without saying. If his face doesn’t scream douche, his actions will. Like you said, he got a raw deal in this league. He was set up to fail..
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 6, 2021 18:51:59 GMT -5
Josh Rosen played for the Cardinals. They’re the Detroit Lions of the dessert. He also was coached by Steve Wilks. Never heard of him? No one has. He lasted one year before being shipped out. The Cardinals biggest weapon was a player who was collecting social security, Larry Fitzgerald. You act as Jones is playing for the Saudi Arabia Juggernauts. You want to talk about rough starts, Josh Rosen is being tossed around like a cheap hooker. What team is he on now? 49ers.. Wait a minute. Jones had Pat Shurmur, not Vince Lombardi. Pretty safe to say both guys had a shit draw.
Josh Rosen did have Byron Leftwich as his QB/OC coach though and last time I checked that guy coached the GOAT and won a Super Bowl as the OC. I guess it's easier to coach Brady than Rosen.
Fact is most players pick by a team in the top 10 are probably going to a bad team. Not everyone is Ben Roethlisberger or Lamar Jackson.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 6, 2021 18:57:49 GMT -5
he also was said to have a bad attitude towards coaches and a rep of being hard to coach. Rosen had a raw deal but he didnt help himself at all. On either team he was on. That goes without saying. If his face doesn’t scream douche, his actions will. Like you said, he got a raw deal in this league. He was set up to fail.. he may have failed no matter where he was drafted.
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 6, 2021 19:19:09 GMT -5
Josh Rosen played for the Cardinals. They’re the Detroit Lions of the dessert. He also was coached by Steve Wilks. Never heard of him? No one has. He lasted one year before being shipped out. The Cardinals biggest weapon was a player who was collecting social security, Larry Fitzgerald. You act as Jones is playing for the Saudi Arabia Juggernauts. You want to talk about rough starts, Josh Rosen is being tossed around like a cheap hooker. What team is he on now? 49ers.. Wait a minute. Jones had Pat Shurmur, not Vince Lombardi. Pretty safe to say both guys had a shit draw.
Josh Rosen did have Byron Leftwich as his QB/OC coach though and last time I checked that guy coached the GOAT and won a Super Bowl as the OC. I guess it's easier to coach Brady than Rosen.
Fact is most players pick by a team in the top 10 are probably going to a bad team. Not everyone is Ben Roethlisberger or Lamar Jackson.
You mean the same Pat Shurmur who brought the best out of Jones? Shurmur is as bad as it gets from a head coaching position. However, his offensive mind and tutoring of young quarterbacks is well known throughout the league. Point is, no one should feel sorry for Daniel Jones situation the past two years.
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Post by McCherry on Jul 6, 2021 19:30:19 GMT -5
Josh Rosen played for the Cardinals. They’re the Detroit Lions of the dessert. He also was coached by Steve Wilks. Never heard of him? No one has. He lasted one year before being shipped out. The Cardinals biggest weapon was a player who was collecting social security, Larry Fitzgerald. You act as Jones is playing for the Saudi Arabia Juggernauts. You want to talk about rough starts, Josh Rosen is being tossed around like a cheap hooker. What team is he on now? 49ers.. Wait a minute. Jones had Pat Shurmur, not Vince Lombardi. Pretty safe to say both guys had a shit draw.
Josh Rosen did have Byron Leftwich as his QB/OC coach though and last time I checked that guy coached the GOAT and won a Super Bowl as the OC. I guess it's easier to coach Brady than Rosen.
Fact is most players pick by a team in the top 10 are probably going to a bad team. Not everyone is Ben Roethlisberger or Lamar Jackson.
One of the worst coaches in team history.
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Post by McCherry on Jul 6, 2021 19:44:20 GMT -5
he also was said to have a bad attitude towards coaches and a rep of being hard to coach. Rosen had a raw deal but he didnt help himself at all. On either team he was on. That goes without saying. If his face doesn’t scream douche, his actions will. Like you said, he got a raw deal in this league. He was set up to fail.. In his time with Miami he had 1 TD, 5 INT's and was benched after less than 2 starts for Ryan Fitzpatrick. Please tell us how that was a "raw deal"?
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 6, 2021 19:52:26 GMT -5
That goes without saying. If his face doesn’t scream douche, his actions will. Like you said, he got a raw deal in this league. He was set up to fail.. In his time with Miami he had 1 TD, 5 INT's and was benched after less than 2 starts for Ryan Fitzpatrick. Please us how that was a "raw deal"? No one is arguing that he doesn’t suck. However, let’s not act like he was put in a good situation. Drafted by the lowly Cardinals, then traded to a Dolphins team that was intentionally losing. Only thing left is, he didn’t get kissed after he got ******
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jul 9, 2021 14:35:19 GMT -5
Golladay makes Slayton look like a slot receiver.
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 9, 2021 15:59:00 GMT -5
No one is arguing that he doesn’t suck. However, let’s not act like he was put in a good situation. Drafted by the lowly Cardinals, then traded to a Dolphins team that was intentionally losing. Only thing left is, he didn’t get kissed after he got ****** So you're saying a team that wanted to lose traded for Rosen to be their starter?
I'd trade for him too if I wanted to lose.
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 9, 2021 20:14:05 GMT -5
No one is arguing that he doesn’t suck. However, let’s not act like he was put in a good situation. Drafted by the lowly Cardinals, then traded to a Dolphins team that was intentionally losing. Only thing left is, he didn’t get kissed after he got ****** So you're saying a team that wanted to lose traded for Rosen to be their starter?
I'd trade for him too if I wanted to lose.
No one said the Dolphins were a smart organization.
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 9, 2021 20:16:11 GMT -5
So you're saying a team that wanted to lose traded for Rosen to be their starter?
I'd trade for him too if I wanted to lose.
No one said the Dolphins were a smart organization. Huh? That's actually a brilliant plan. If you want to lose games to go draft a QB why not bring in a couple other QBs that are trash and trade away any of your good players. I don't think Tua will work out but if he does the Dolphins will have made a brilliant move down there.
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 9, 2021 20:26:33 GMT -5
No one said the Dolphins were a smart organization. Huh? That's actually a brilliant plan. If you want to lose games to go draft a QB why not bring in a couple other QBs that are trash and trade away any of your good players. I don't think Tua will work out but if he does the Dolphins will have made a brilliant move down there. Tough pill to sell to your fan base. We’re intentionally losing, and by the way. Beer prices went up $5 dollars. Credit to the Dolphin players. They continued to play hard, even when the organization made it clear they wanted to lose. Tua is an odd player. He’s labeled as fragile, and his style of play is very unorthodox. But, he did go 6-3 last year with Miami. That gives him some slack on his leash.
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 10, 2021 11:52:47 GMT -5
Huh? That's actually a brilliant plan. If you want to lose games to go draft a QB why not bring in a couple other QBs that are trash and trade away any of your good players. I don't think Tua will work out but if he does the Dolphins will have made a brilliant move down there. Tough pill to sell to your fan base. We’re intentionally losing, and by the way. Beer prices went up $5 dollars. Credit to the Dolphin players. They continued to play hard, even when the organization made it clear they wanted to lose. Tua is an odd player. He’s labeled as fragile, and his style of play is very unorthodox. But, he did go 6-3 last year with Miami. That gives him some slack on his leash. They just use the old "he's from the best QB class ever" line and fans ate it up lol.
Seriously though Flores has done a great job down there keeping those guys playing despite everything. Shows what getting the right coach can do for an organization. I think we have that guy now.
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Post by McCherry on Jul 10, 2021 11:56:56 GMT -5
No one is arguing that he doesn’t suck. However, let’s not act like he was put in a good situation. Drafted by the lowly Cardinals, then traded to a Dolphins team that was intentionally losing. Only thing left is, he didn’t get kissed after he got ****** So you're saying a team that wanted to lose traded for Rosen to be their starter?
I'd trade for him too if I wanted to lose.
You wouldn't give up a second round pick in order to lose.
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 10, 2021 13:33:41 GMT -5
Tough pill to sell to your fan base. We’re intentionally losing, and by the way. Beer prices went up $5 dollars. Credit to the Dolphin players. They continued to play hard, even when the organization made it clear they wanted to lose. Tua is an odd player. He’s labeled as fragile, and his style of play is very unorthodox. But, he did go 6-3 last year with Miami. That gives him some slack on his leash. They just use the old "he's from the best QB class ever" line and fans ate it up lol.
Seriously though Flores has done a great job down there keeping those guys playing despite everything. Shows what getting the right coach can do for an organization. I think we have that guy now.
He’s a damn good coach. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut or two.
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 14, 2021 19:47:38 GMT -5
So you're saying a team that wanted to lose traded for Rosen to be their starter?
I'd trade for him too if I wanted to lose.
You wouldn't give up a second round pick in order to lose. I wouldn't. An owner trying to pretend they want to win in order to put butts in seats (ie: money in his pocket) would give up a 2nd in a heartbeat.
I don't actually think they got Rosen just so they could lose. They had no clue if they would be in position to take a QB or not, so taking a chance on Rosen for a low cost made sense.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jul 14, 2021 20:04:57 GMT -5
LOL for sure I see several folks who were hot and heavey for Darnold and MFing the Barkely pick have now changed to the trade down choice lol. I'll come out and say I hated the saquon barkley pick and still think it wasn't the right pick. I said then that they either draft a QB if they think one of them is a franchise QB, or trade down with a team that does think that they could get their franchise QB. If they drafted Darnold (or any of the QBs) I would have supported the pick then (even though I wasn't a fan of Rosen). It's obvious that Getty didn't believe that Darnold and Rosen were franchise QBs, and I'm guessing his wasn't into the mobile QB style of Allen and Jackson. But, I said it at the time that it the only way the Barkley pick would be seen as a good pick years down the road would be if Barkley was great AND the other top QB prospects all busted. I said then that no one would care that we got the next Adrian Peterson if it meant we passed on taking a franchise QB. And here we are, but a few years later and we don't go a week without some posters here reminding us that we could have had Josh Allen and how different our franchise could have been etc etc etc. The only way that possibly gets mitigated is if Jones becomes a consistent top 10 QB. Would think you would hear crickets from those knocking the QB’s when the card their playing is only a HB with a history of injuries.
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 14, 2021 20:07:40 GMT -5
Would think you would hear crickets from those knocking the QB’s when the card their playing is only a HB with a history of injuries. Well the funny thing is that Barkley has had an injury riddled disaster of a career so far and is STILL the better pick over Darnold and Rosen who are not even on the teams that drafted them. At least he "might" produce for us this year. Darnold and Rosen will do nothing for the teams that drafted them.
I know, I'm sure you wanted Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson or which ever QB is doing good right now. Easy to make picks with 3 years of history to use hindsight on.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jul 14, 2021 20:09:57 GMT -5
Would think you would hear crickets from those knocking the QB’s when the card their playing is only a HB with a history of injuries. Well the funny thing is that Barkley has had an injury riddled disaster of a career so far and is STILL the better pick over Darnold and Rosen who are not even on the teams that drafted them. At least he "might" produce for us this year. Darnold and Rosen will do nothing for the teams that drafted them. we have no idea what Darnold will do in Carolina. All we know is the value of an HB is ridiculous at #2 overall. Ready to flex that option? Meanwhile, in Cleveland.
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 14, 2021 20:39:35 GMT -5
we have no idea what Darnold will do in Carolina. All we know is the value of an HB is ridiculous at #2 overall. Ready to flex that option? Meanwhile, in Cleveland. Sam Darnold might be the MVP in Carolina, but the point of the draft is to help your team. I'd rather a broken RB at 2 than a QB that plays for another team.
Meanwhile in Cleveland what? We didn't have the chance to draft Baker and they just had their first winning season with him in year 3. Let's not pretend like they are the gold standard because they had the first pick in the draft two years in a row lol.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jul 14, 2021 20:55:59 GMT -5
we have no idea what Darnold will do in Carolina. All we know is the value of an HB is ridiculous at #2 overall. Ready to flex that option? Meanwhile, in Cleveland. Sam Darnold might be the MVP in Carolina, but the point of the draft is to help your team. I'd rather a broken RB at 2 than a QB that plays for another team.
Meanwhile in Cleveland what? We didn't have the chance to draft Baker and they just had their first winning season with him in year 3. Let's not pretend like they are the gold standard because they had the first pick in the draft two years in a row lol.
His name is Nick Chubb. Good lord. And the Giants idiot GM didn’t pick up the phone. Since then, how is Cleveland and Indy doing? If you want to keep Eli, you move back in the draft. That’s not hindsight.
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 14, 2021 21:05:20 GMT -5
His name is Nick Chubb. Good lord. And the Giants idiot GM didn’t pick up the phone. Since then, how is Cleveland and Indy doing? If you want to keep Eli, you move back in the draft. That’s not hindsight. You have no idea what people offered. Yes he didn't pick up the phone on draft night. You do realize that the trades are worked out ahead of time right? Even our trade this year at pick 10 was worked out ahead of time. He knew exactly what people were offering because they were making offer leading up to the draft. Nick Chubb is great....they just had their first winning season since 2007.
What does Indy have to do with this? Are you going to say we should have taken Nelson because he was a guy I wanted as well, but you also said we should trade back. So it seems to me you're just grasping at straws using hindsight to name any team that has done will since that draft as a way to bash our GM.
If he drafted Darnold or Rosen he would be out of a job right now and you would have chased him out of town because Cleveland would be killing it with Mayfield and the best RB in football...Barkley right now. What a fool to pass on a such an amazing talent. He had the highest rating ever and our idiot GM passed on him for a shitty QB.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jul 14, 2021 21:24:14 GMT -5
His name is Nick Chubb. Good lord. And the Giants idiot GM didn’t pick up the phone. Since then, how is Cleveland and Indy doing? If you want to keep Eli, you move back in the draft. That’s not hindsight. You have no idea what people offered. Yes he didn't pick up the phone on draft night. You do realize that the trades are worked out ahead of time right? Even our trade this year at pick 10 was worked out ahead of time. He knew exactly what people were offering because they were making offer leading up to the draft. Nick Chubb is great....they just had their first winning season since 2007.
What does Indy have to do with this? Are you going to say we should have taken Nelson because he was a guy I wanted as well, but you also said we should trade back. So it seems to me you're just grasping at straws using hindsight to name any team that has done will since that draft as a way to bash our GM.
If he drafted Darnold or Rosen he would be out of a job right now and you would have chased him out of town because Cleveland would be killing it with Mayfield and the best RB in football...Barkley right now. What a fool to pass on a such an amazing talent. He had the highest rating ever and our idiot GM passed on him for a shitty QB.
you don’t the follow the NFL too closely let alone this team. - You didn’t know Nick Chubb so mentioned Mayfield who was already chosen. The point over your head is HB#2. lol - Indy made the big trade yet you don’t know why i mentioned it? Really? - Barkley has made no difference and the Giants kept Eli. Who cares about Darnold and Rosen? The Giants went HB #2 and they keep losing. (but he had a rating? strong take, maybe he’ll catch Chubb before that flex . . . ya know, that cap thing which originated over 25 years ago). Good lord
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Jul 15, 2021 8:07:53 GMT -5
His name is Nick Chubb. Good lord. And the Giants idiot GM didn’t pick up the phone. Since then, how is Cleveland and Indy doing? If you want to keep Eli, you move back in the draft. That’s not hindsight. You have no idea what people offered. Yes he didn't pick up the phone on draft night. You do realize that the trades are worked out ahead of time right? Even our trade this year at pick 10 was worked out ahead of time. He knew exactly what people were offering because they were making offer leading up to the draft. Nick Chubb is great....they just had their first winning season since 2007.
What does Indy have to do with this? Are you going to say we should have taken Nelson because he was a guy I wanted as well, but you also said we should trade back. So it seems to me you're just grasping at straws using hindsight to name any team that has done will since that draft as a way to bash our GM.
If he drafted Darnold or Rosen he would be out of a job right now and you would have chased him out of town because Cleveland would be killing it with Mayfield and the best RB in football...Barkley right now. What a fool to pass on a such an amazing talent. He had the highest rating ever and our idiot GM passed on him for a shitty QB.
Obviously Getty didn't think any of the QBs available were franchise QBs. But, if that was the case, the obvious play was to leverage their draft position and the QB class to get a good ROI for that 2nd OVR pick with a GM that maybe did see Darnold as a franchise and wanted to jump the Jets to get him. Or a GM that saw Buffalo wanting Allen and jumping them to get Allen. Is Barkley the worst pick in the world? No. Obviously better to get a guy like Barkley than to draft another Flowers. But, basically staying at that pick when you didn't like the QBs on the board (which, BTW not realizing Allen's potential is a notch against Getty. It's his job to be able to see player potential) and didn't like drafting a Guard at 2 OVR (Understandable), was a bad move in terms of efficiency. Let's not also forget he passed on Bradley Chubb at that spot as well and we're still looking for an edge rusher. There is a very high chance if the Giants trade out of that pick to a team that takes a QB, that CLE likely takes Barkley at 4 and if they don't there is a fair chance Barkley drops the same way McFadden did and depending on where they traded down to they could have still gotten him AND gotten whatever extra picks.
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 15, 2021 19:37:44 GMT -5
you don’t the follow the NFL too closely let alone this team. You are right. Your best bet is to click on the ignore button so you can't see my posts anymore since clearly I "don't the follow the NFL"
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 15, 2021 19:45:14 GMT -5
Obviously Getty didn't think any of the QBs available were franchise QBs. But, if that was the case, the obvious play was to leverage their draft position and the QB class to get a good ROI for that 2nd OVR pick with a GM that maybe did see Darnold as a franchise and wanted to jump the Jets to get him. Or a GM that saw Buffalo wanting Allen and jumping them to get Allen. Is Barkley the worst pick in the world? No. Obviously better to get a guy like Barkley than to draft another Flowers. But, basically staying at that pick when you didn't like the QBs on the board (which, BTW not realizing Allen's potential is a notch against Getty. It's his job to be able to see player potential) and didn't like drafting a Guard at 2 OVR (Understandable), was a bad move in terms of efficiency. Let's not also forget he passed on Bradley Chubb at that spot as well and we're still looking for an edge rusher. There is a very high chance if the Giants trade out of that pick to a team that takes a QB, that CLE likely takes Barkley at 4 and if they don't there is a fair chance Barkley drops the same way McFadden did and depending on where they traded down to they could have still gotten him AND gotten whatever extra picks. Listen we will never know what was offered to DG. Yes maybe if we traded back we would have made a killing but maybe we wouldn't have. People always list these guys we could have taken but not everyone taken is a hit. We could have traded back and taken a bust and then we would be sitting here complaining that DG past on an amazing RB and instead took Billy Price.
It's just impossible to play the billion different scenarios. Yes there are things that could have been better (true in any draft), but there are things that could have been worse (also true in any draft). Right now all I can say is that if given the choice I take Barkley over Darnold and Rosen.
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 16, 2021 4:52:40 GMT -5
Obviously Getty didn't think any of the QBs available were franchise QBs. But, if that was the case, the obvious play was to leverage their draft position and the QB class to get a good ROI for that 2nd OVR pick with a GM that maybe did see Darnold as a franchise and wanted to jump the Jets to get him. Or a GM that saw Buffalo wanting Allen and jumping them to get Allen. Is Barkley the worst pick in the world? No. Obviously better to get a guy like Barkley than to draft another Flowers. But, basically staying at that pick when you didn't like the QBs on the board (which, BTW not realizing Allen's potential is a notch against Getty. It's his job to be able to see player potential) and didn't like drafting a Guard at 2 OVR (Understandable), was a bad move in terms of efficiency. Let's not also forget he passed on Bradley Chubb at that spot as well and we're still looking for an edge rusher. There is a very high chance if the Giants trade out of that pick to a team that takes a QB, that CLE likely takes Barkley at 4 and if they don't there is a fair chance Barkley drops the same way McFadden did and depending on where they traded down to they could have still gotten him AND gotten whatever extra picks. Listen we will never know what was offered to DG. Yes maybe if we traded back we would have made a killing but maybe we wouldn't have. People always list these guys we could have taken but not everyone taken is a hit. We could have traded back and taken a bust and then we would be sitting here complaining that DG past on an amazing RB and instead took Billy Price.
It's just impossible to play the billion different scenarios. Yes there are things that could have been better (true in any draft), but there are things that could have been worse (also true in any draft). Right now all I can say is that if given the choice I take Barkley over Darnold and Rosen.
DG doesn’t know what could have been offered either since he instructed his people not to answer the phone.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 16, 2021 8:04:53 GMT -5
Listen we will never know what was offered to DG. Yes maybe if we traded back we would have made a killing but maybe we wouldn't have. People always list these guys we could have taken but not everyone taken is a hit. We could have traded back and taken a bust and then we would be sitting here complaining that DG past on an amazing RB and instead took Billy Price.
It's just impossible to play the billion different scenarios. Yes there are things that could have been better (true in any draft), but there are things that could have been worse (also true in any draft). Right now all I can say is that if given the choice I take Barkley over Darnold and Rosen.
DG doesn’t know what could have been offered either since he instructed his people not to answer the phone. I think Mike has a point that they talk ahead of the draft and see what teams are willing to part with and probably what he heard wasn't enough. All I can say is DG for what ever people perceive as right or wrong puts this franchise above all including himself, admitted they aren't always right but also proved they are quick to cut ties with mistakes, there is no ego only the ones in fans fantasy's, this years draft proved that in spades when he traded for assets to get more next year not knowing wether he will be the the one to use them, they seem to be in good spot for the future with cap even with the aggressive free agent approach and draft capital. Think that is all you can ask for is a guy who puts the franchise first even before his own career here, he could have drafted Parsons or one of the OLs instead of having Toney and 2 firsts and 2 thirds and 2 4ths in 2022. Saquon thing is old it is time to let go were entering year 4 of the regime and they seem to be on the right path. Yes they missed an opportunity to get some much needed draft capital back then. If they win this year DG will be right on schedule if they lose someone else will enjoy the extra draft capital.
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