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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 1:52:41 GMT -5
Your points are useless...due to your style and MO, they usually are Firstly, stop using analytics to dissolve a player, while using the same analytics to prop up your "guy"? Secondly, who gives a crap what Carl Banks, David Diehl, Judge, Shaun O'Hara and any other guy who offers you "expert" advice, when I can bring as many "experts" suggesting the exact opposite. Certainly dropping names is not making your stick bigger....especially with an offensive line ranked dead last on the analytic sites you would be using as hard evidence if they had the Giants top 10 OL. Third...watch film and learn some technical aspects of the game...x and o...play design, and then offer some of your own opinion, vs being the distributor of name drops and reading beat writers. You don't have to be the fan that never padded up if you can at least understand the basic concepts. 14-0 vs 14-0 Championship Tiger Bowl...Burrow vs Lawrence, now on replay. Forgot how tight Clemson played them for a while....before the Boom Boom...Burrow to Chase was special Enjoy Go ahead. Name some ex football players, coaches, or any experts who have said that the players on our offensive line are just no good. I'm talking about qualified experts, not sports writers referencing analytics. I don't believe you have quite understood the vast point of this post on your MO of an argument, hahaha.... but when I do arrive again at any football player or coach/scout who has been made a commentator or writes, and they suggest negative about the NYG OL, I surely will point it out. Are you ever going to be able to watch film and offer your very own opinions in the Cherry system of player evaluation?...or is it solely based upon opinions of others, names of ex players with awards?Okay...do you grade the ex players, your opinions... in varying degrees? All Pro Pro Bowl Padded it up for a lower division college Would you be dropping a positive opinion by Carl Banks on the OL, be trumped by an offensive linemen who played 2 years at Clemson and now scouting? Does positional value count in your name drops? How would you compare the coaches? Won a superbowl? Not won a superbowl? NFL vs College? Records? Who wins the debate for you in the Cherry system of argument? Realize most scouts have played in lesser programs, many times just some college, so when I give you some lower graded negative fuel that comes from certain scouts, they have actually padded it up and more importantly... studied the players. These, believe it or not, are the true experts. Of course many are employed by teams....others at least know what to look for when at games or studying tape. We too, yes you and I, can watch the OL of the Giants and see why Shane Lemieux is the last ranked guard on PFF...it's not just the low grade...it's what he fails to do. It's out there to see. Let the collectors gather the bad blocks, and good...grade away. We can simply observe and see what areas they lack in, and decide if that area can get better. Ready to be on your own?...Cherry, evaluating a player all by your lonesome with ..nobody giving you an opinion. Your very own voice vs the google wars
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Here is a start if you can't get the courage to get outside the front door and evaluate ...google each linemen in the safety of your bedroom. Look at their evaluations, writers who have padded them up, and now scout. Quite a few feel the NY Giants OL is simply not that good, or simply did not play well. We do have reason for concern, despite Judge knowing those players more than the fans who write opinions on a message board. This just in ESPN Analytics 32nd PFF...not 31st...but 32nd Just grades off film, not football players being optimistic
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 2:01:25 GMT -5
I think they know about as much we do this OL is young and really a big unknown it can go great it could be middle of pack or suck No one knows. The head coach who coached them last year must have believed because you can be sure he would be slamming the Table for OL this past draft. At this point all we know is it seems by all reports they are working hard on and off the field to build the chemistry and skill sets to win. We will see. They had opportunities all offseason, before, after and during the draft, to change the OL if they wanted. Hard to believe they valued a 4th CB and tweener DL/LB over players like Wyatt Davis who could've pushed the starters on the OL if they thought we had holes. Dave Gettleman defended the strength of the Giants’ offensive line on Saturday after failing to draft a single O-lineman with his six picks this weekend. “It’s really apparent that we have a little more confidence in our offensive line players than you guys do,” Gettleman said to the assembled media on Zoom. “I’m just gonna say we’re happy with the group that we have.” The GM’s retort contradicted his Friday comment that “we were looking at offensive linemen” in the second and third rounds and that the Giants “had our eye on two guys specifically … and they got taken before they got to us.”
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 2:14:50 GMT -5
So are you saying that we were drafting for need and not BPA? Not at all, I like Robinson. It's hard to dissect what their thinking was, but I would bet the Giants must've valued him more than an OL. Davis just like he could’ve been more valuable. But that decision must also indicate a level of comfort with the current OL. Personally, I don't like rotating the offensive line Neither does Joe Thomas ...all pro hall of fame LT Joe Thomas vs Joe Judge Who you got for your brain on this rotational line opinion Mr. Cherry? Judge who does it, or Thomas who hates it?
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Post by GameTime on Jul 18, 2021 5:37:43 GMT -5
Not at all, I like Robinson. It's hard to dissect what their thinking was, but I would bet the Giants must've valued him more than an OL. Davis just like he could’ve been more valuable. But that decision must also indicate a level of comfort with the current OL. Personally, I don't like rotating the offensive line Neither does Joe Thomas ...all pro hall of fame LT Joe Thomas vs Joe Judge Who you got for your brain on this rotational line opinion Mr. Cherry? Judge who does it, or Thomas who hates it? that was Judge's first season with an OL that was in flux whether it was the same five or rotating. He was trying to find a solid group while giving valuable reps to keep their heads in the game etc. When he finds a solid 5 the rotation wont occur IMO. After Hernandez was out for good the rotation wasnt a factor except for Peart who only had a 150 snaps. Thats like two games worth of snaps. Wasnt as big of a deal as some like to think. They stunk but it wasnt because of only that. If it was even a reason for the group to be playing well. I'd rather see a regular group of course.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 5:55:43 GMT -5
Personally, I don't like rotating the offensive line Neither does Joe Thomas ...all pro hall of fame LT Joe Thomas vs Joe Judge Who you got for your brain on this rotational line opinion Mr. Cherry? Judge who does it, or Thomas who hates it? that was Judge's first season with an OL that was in flux whether it was the same five or rotating. He was trying to find a solid group while giving valuable reps to keep their heads in the game etc. When he finds a solid 5 the rotation wont occur IMO. After Hernandez was out for good the rotation wasnt a factor except for Peart who only had a 150 snaps. Thats like two games worth of snaps. Wasnt as big of a deal as some like to think. They stunk but it wasnt because of only that. If it was even a reason for the group to be playing well. I'd rather see a regular group of course. Oh they stunk because they lacked NFL talent/technique/strength/experience...we can agree on that. It was kind of weird watching that take place. My point was more along the lines of Judge doing it, me not knowing our OL as well as Judge, offering an opinion, any opinion, that could be brushed off by the Cherry as I simply do not know as much as the Giants coaches thus argument lost...and then suggesting Joe Thomas thought it was also a brutal idea as many fans with their own opinion did.... and are we to just stop offering up any of our own critique of play calling, drafts, personal?...unless backed by an order of coaches and ex players? Hahaha...guy's a nutcase if he believes we're gonna stop offering our own opinions because Gettleman and Judge know more then we do.. Last I checked...we be a fan board that shares our own opinions and beliefs. I believe I shall make some coffee...want a cup bro?
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Post by GameTime on Jul 18, 2021 6:01:33 GMT -5
that was Judge's first season with an OL that was in flux whether it was the same five or rotating. He was trying to find a solid group while giving valuable reps to keep their heads in the game etc. When he finds a solid 5 the rotation wont occur IMO. After Hernandez was out for good the rotation wasnt a factor except for Peart who only had a 150 snaps. Thats like two games worth of snaps. Wasnt as big of a deal as some like to think. They stunk but it wasnt because of only that. If it was even a reason for the group to be playing well. I'd rather see a regular group of course. Oh they stunk because they lacked NFL talent/technique/strength/experience...we can agree on that. It was kind of weird watching that take place. My point was more along the lines of Judge doing it, me not knowing our OL as well as Judge, offering an opinion, any opinion, that could be brushed off by the Cherry as I simply do not know as much as the Giants coaches thus argument lost...and then suggesting Joe Thomas thought it was also a brutal idea as many fans with their own opinion did.... and are we to just stop offering up any of our own critique of play calling, drafts, personal?...unless backed by an order of coaches and ex players? Hahaha...guy's a nutcase if he believes we're gonna stop offering our own opinions because Gettleman and Judge know more then we do.. Last I checked...we be a fan board that shares our own opinions and beliefs. I believe I shall make some coffee...want a cup bro? I'm cool...I have my cup as we post here.... Rotating the OL is something that is never done overall. Its definitely new worthy so to speak. Not trying to get between you and another posters dialogue. However this topic is worth discussing for sure. As far as the talking heads. Some were ok with the rotation but most didnt like it or were skeptical.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 6:22:03 GMT -5
Oh they stunk because they lacked NFL talent/technique/strength/experience...we can agree on that. It was kind of weird watching that take place. My point was more along the lines of Judge doing it, me not knowing our OL as well as Judge, offering an opinion, any opinion, that could be brushed off by the Cherry as I simply do not know as much as the Giants coaches thus argument lost...and then suggesting Joe Thomas thought it was also a brutal idea as many fans with their own opinion did.... and are we to just stop offering up any of our own critique of play calling, drafts, personal?...unless backed by an order of coaches and ex players? Hahaha...guy's a nutcase if he believes we're gonna stop offering our own opinions because Gettleman and Judge know more then we do.. Last I checked...we be a fan board that shares our own opinions and beliefs. I believe I shall make some coffee...want a cup bro? I'm cool...I have my cup as we post here.... Rotating the OL is something that is never done overall. Its definitely new worthy so to speak. Not trying to get between you and another posters dialogue. However this topic is worth discussing for sure. As far as the talking heads. Some were ok with the rotation but most didnt like it or were skeptical. I hope to never see that again...not sure what the big boys thought of that, but you're certainly not going to improve any psyche of any player ...let alone guys who need to get into a rhythm and pattern. We seem to be going through quite a few OL coaches... "We want you to do things my way...yeah, rotate the guards...nice...excellent...then do it with the tackles...who cares if it would be tipping off our play selection...just do it" "you're fired..."
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Post by GameTime on Jul 18, 2021 6:35:29 GMT -5
I'm cool...I have my cup as we post here.... Rotating the OL is something that is never done overall. Its definitely new worthy so to speak. Not trying to get between you and another posters dialogue. However this topic is worth discussing for sure. As far as the talking heads. Some were ok with the rotation but most didnt like it or were skeptical. I hope to never see that again...not sure what the big boys thought of that, but you're certainly not going to improve any psyche of any player ...let alone guys who need to get into a rhythm and pattern. We seem to be going through quite a few OL coaches... "We want you to do things my way...yeah, rotate the guards...nice...excellent...then do it with the tackles...who cares if it would be tipping off our play selection...just do it" "you're fired..." as far as the coaches its only really Colombo. Guegs was only supposed to be a consultant and never a coach. Its not like Judge has gone through 5 coaches in one season. Its been one and a temp coach in Guegs is gone.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 6:50:31 GMT -5
They had opportunities all offseason, before, after and during the draft, to change the OL if they wanted. Hard to believe they valued a 4th CB and tweener DL/LB over players like Wyatt Davis who could've pushed the starters on the OL if they thought we had holes. Dave Gettleman defended the strength of the Giants’ offensive line on Saturday after failing to draft a single O-lineman with his six picks this weekend. “It’s really apparent that we have a little more confidence in our offensive line players than you guys do,” Gettleman said to the assembled media on Zoom. “I’m just gonna say we’re happy with the group that we have.” The GM’s retort contradicted his Friday comment that “we were looking at offensive linemen” in the second and third rounds and that the Giants “had our eye on two guys specifically … and they got taken before they got to us.”
The 2nd and 3rd round linemen they were looking to draft?...before they were taken ahead of them? 2nd round - Landon Dickerson C/G Alabama 3rd round - Jalen Mayfield OT/G Michigan More certainly on Dickerson due to the draft day rumors Mayfield had pre draft rumors, and that was a drop to get to the 3rd round for that kid Aaron Robinson is a skilled corner from my sons school and corners are an always needed position, but damn...Alim McNeill was available and he's gonna be a player in this league.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 6:52:56 GMT -5
I hope to never see that again...not sure what the big boys thought of that, but you're certainly not going to improve any psyche of any player ...let alone guys who need to get into a rhythm and pattern. We seem to be going through quite a few OL coaches... "We want you to do things my way...yeah, rotate the guards...nice...excellent...then do it with the tackles...who cares if it would be tipping off our play selection...just do it" "you're fired..." as far as the coaches its only really Colombo. Guegs was only supposed to be a consultant and never a coach. Its not like Judge has gone through 5 coaches in one season. Its been one and a temp coach in Guegs is gone. My lame joke was being Columbo and hearing that rotation...hahaha...promise they will get better as the day goes on
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Post by GameTime on Jul 18, 2021 6:56:31 GMT -5
as far as the coaches its only really Colombo. Guegs was only supposed to be a consultant and never a coach. Its not like Judge has gone through 5 coaches in one season. Its been one and a temp coach in Guegs is gone. My lame joke was being Columbo and hearing that rotation...hahaha...promise they will get better as the day goes on all good. Some else mentioned "all the coaching" changes too. Hey man...this team has sucked for so long and until further notice, no matter what type positive potential they have they still suck. I am a pretty optimistic fan and feel things will come together finally. Almost just as many reasons it should work than not.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 7:04:47 GMT -5
My lame joke was being Columbo and hearing that rotation...hahaha...promise they will get better as the day goes on all good. Some else mentioned "all the coaching" changes too. Hey man...this team has sucked for so long and until further notice, no matter what type positive potential they have they still suck. I am a pretty optimistic fan and feel things will come together finally. Almost just as many reasons it should work than not. I'm optimistic every new year...we all should be. This year offers the same changes, but however...the urgency this year is distasteful for just a fan with eternal optimism. If we have the usual as of late NY Giants season, we are so far behind again ugh...not sure how many fans can deal with not just the "more" crappy years, but that entire reset... I'm not even sure we have that emerging offensive line to set up a new QB in a safety net... We lose this year, we are becoming the Browns BTW, Browns now have the highest ranked OL according to the ESPN analytic stat boys. Got the QB right, and all else followed...year 3 for Jones...imperative.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 18, 2021 7:12:56 GMT -5
all good. Some else mentioned "all the coaching" changes too. Hey man...this team has sucked for so long and until further notice, no matter what type positive potential they have they still suck. I am a pretty optimistic fan and feel things will come together finally. Almost just as many reasons it should work than not. I'm optimistic every new year...we all should be. This year offers the same changes, but however...the urgency this year is distasteful for just a fan with eternal optimism. If we have the usual as of late NY Giants season, we are so far behind again ugh...not sure how many fans can deal with not just the "more" crappy years, but that entire reset... I'm not even sure we have that emerging offensive line to set up a new QB in a safety net... We lose this year, we are becoming the Browns BTW, Browns now have the highest ranked OL according to the ESPN analytic stat boys. Got the QB right, and all else followed...year 3 for Jones...imperative. year 3 for any top 10 drafted QB is huge. Not many get established before then. There are exceptions but they are few and far between. Even if the NYGs were successful the last years prior to Jones they would still be rebuilding with at the very least a new QB. Similar to the articles that are saying they are giving "Jones" all the tools. Well they are but they would have to do this with ANY new QB. They didnt have to do it because of Jones per se'........ they had to do it because thats they way a team should be built regardless.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 7:43:32 GMT -5
So are you saying that we were drafting for need and not BPA? Not at all, I like Robinson. It's hard to dissect what their thinking was, but I would bet the Giants must've valued him more than an OL. Davis just like he could’ve been more valuable. But that decision must also indicate a level of comfort with the current OL. Are you suggesting our scouting department is stupid? Or possibly, they had Robinson higher on their board...imagine that?...Davis who was dropping down the boards well before the draft because of huge technique flaws, and maybe the Giants simply were not stupid, but had him as a 4th rounder?... It's okay Cherry...you can offer an opinion that we should have taken Davis over Robinson...that's what these boards are for...exchange of opinions. I would have went Quinn Meinerz on OL in the 3rd...but DT Alim McNeill before anybody else.
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 18, 2021 8:43:31 GMT -5
I'm cool...I have my cup as we post here.... Rotating the OL is something that is never done overall. Its definitely new worthy so to speak. Not trying to get between you and another posters dialogue. However this topic is worth discussing for sure. As far as the talking heads. Some were ok with the rotation but most didnt like it or were skeptical. This pandemic is something we never had to deal with either.
I honestly think that the rotation was 100% due to us having lots of young OL, no preseason to get them experience and the risk of losing people to Covid. The fact we actually lost an OL to covid and we were able to replace him with someone that got some reps before he was forced to should be enough to make people see the rotation was a good idea.
I doubt we continue with the rotation going forward. I don't think Judge is trying to turn the OL into the NHL. If I'm wrong coo, but until then the rotation was a smart move IMO.
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 18, 2021 8:49:16 GMT -5
I believe that and Gettlemen did say that was the case guys they had targeted were off when their turn came and others had more value. I'm not saying they are set but they drafted these kids for a reason there has to be some belief in them even if it is only from the inside. I agree there is no evidence they can be great good or bad. All we have is the final 8 games where they ran the ball decent, for once it was because they opened holes not some crazy SQB runs, running through half the defense after juking stiff arming and running through tackles for big yards Gallmen had legit room, they had moments of solid pass pro. It is one of the big unknowns for this coming year for sure. This is a big one you can see the attention is there with Sale Kitchens Flats and Wilkerson all working on this project along with the players seeming to do their part on and off the field. praying it pays off lol it has to continuity is there and the coaching is there glass half full lol. DG has always said he fills in the needs during the free agent period so he doesn't have to "target" a position in the draft. It was clear to me they believed in our players on the OL when they released the best OL and signed Fulton as a backup. I say back up because of the contract they offered him. $1.2m is back up pay.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 18, 2021 8:54:04 GMT -5
I'm cool...I have my cup as we post here.... Rotating the OL is something that is never done overall. Its definitely new worthy so to speak. Not trying to get between you and another posters dialogue. However this topic is worth discussing for sure. As far as the talking heads. Some were ok with the rotation but most didnt like it or were skeptical. This pandemic is something we never had to deal with either.
I honestly think that the rotation was 100% due to us having lots of young OL, no preseason to get them experience and the risk of losing people to Covid. The fact we actually lost an OL to covid and we were able to replace him with someone that got some reps before he was forced to should be enough to make people see the rotation was a good idea.
I doubt we continue with the rotation going forward. I don't think Judge is trying to turn the OL into the NHL. If I'm wrong coo, but until then the rotation was a smart move IMO.
I dont think so either. It was a situation that called for an out of the box thought process.
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 18, 2021 8:58:47 GMT -5
I'm cool...I have my cup as we post here.... Rotating the OL is something that is never done overall. Its definitely new worthy so to speak. Not trying to get between you and another posters dialogue. However this topic is worth discussing for sure. As far as the talking heads. Some were ok with the rotation but most didnt like it or were skeptical. This pandemic is something we never had to deal with either.
I honestly think that the rotation was 100% due to us having lots of young OL, no preseason to get them experience and the risk of losing people to Covid. The fact we actually lost an OL to covid and we were able to replace him with someone that got some reps before he was forced to should be enough to make people see the rotation was a good idea.
I doubt we continue with the rotation going forward. I don't think Judge is trying to turn the OL into the NHL. If I'm wrong coo, but until then the rotation was a smart move IMO.
I completely agree with this. I doubt that we see a similar strategy this season
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 9:00:10 GMT -5
I'm cool...I have my cup as we post here.... Rotating the OL is something that is never done overall. Its definitely new worthy so to speak. Not trying to get between you and another posters dialogue. However this topic is worth discussing for sure. As far as the talking heads. Some were ok with the rotation but most didnt like it or were skeptical. This pandemic is something we never had to deal with either.
I honestly think that the rotation was 100% due to us having lots of young OL, no preseason to get them experience and the risk of losing people to Covid. The fact we actually lost an OL to covid and we were able to replace him with someone that got some reps before he was forced to should be enough to make people see the rotation was a good idea.
I doubt we continue with the rotation going forward. I don't think Judge is trying to turn the OL into the NHL. If I'm wrong coo, but until then the rotation was a smart move IMO.
A fair point although some of them are still struggling in major areas going into this season...however if we go forward with this, I'm going to be the first to say...Judge knows more about this OL than I do, but I do not like the idea of rotating a group of players that need to feel as a unit. Quick story...we had a kid transfer to our school years back, Junior...6'7 and 330 pounds...silky footwork. Transfers had to wait a year before they could play, so we took him to games ...intimidating. Basketball coach was drooling...kid was built in a tackle lab. Problem was, he did not want to play basketball, and when we finally got him on the field as the left tackle his senior year, we realized this kid was too passive. He became Becton like for the division, and was so long and with good initial footwork, we started to pass downfield more as a team...could not get around him. Run blocking?...he hated to initiate contact and put defenders on their ass...or move them. Just latched on...awkwardly. He developed major flaws that we could not correct, and he simply got away with them due to his silly size for a high school...ended up one scholarship to a smaller college, on size alone. Nice kid...no football or competitive nature. Point? Sometimes, you get what you are dealt, and you need to design playcalls accordingly to what you have. I know we want to go more vertical...not sure our OL will allow that, but Barkley can...just the home run threat alone keeps the safety closer...and play action should allow the dimes to drop.
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 18, 2021 9:03:37 GMT -5
I dont think so either. It was a situation that called for an out of the box thought process. I am actually pretty excited to have a coach that would think ahead and try something like this even though the media was bashing him. That's one of the things I like about DG too. Him and Judge don't give a damn what the media thinks about them. This is the same media that has praised the Cowboys for two and a half decades.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 18, 2021 9:16:41 GMT -5
I dont think so either. It was a situation that called for an out of the box thought process. I am actually pretty excited to have a coach that would think ahead and try something like this even though the media was bashing him. That's one of the things I like about DG too. Him and Judge don't give a damn what the media thinks about them. This is the same media that has praised the Cowboys for two and a half decades. I hear that. Also its almost inevitable that a team will suffer an OL injury so if a guy and step in and feel at home right away. Thats a good thing. Why not have a 7 man unit thats is cohesive instead of a five man unit.
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Post by McCherry on Jul 18, 2021 10:36:45 GMT -5
Go ahead. Name some ex football players, coaches, or any experts who have said that the players on our offensive line are just no good. I'm talking about qualified experts, not sports writers referencing analytics. when I do arrive again at any football player or coach/scout who has been made a commentator or writes, and they suggest negative about the NYG OL, I surely will point it out. So there actually aren't any on record as you said? I just wanted to point that out. That was all I asked. Why so stressed? This is just football talk.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 11:25:47 GMT -5
when I do arrive again at any football player or coach/scout who has been made a commentator or writes, and they suggest negative about the NYG OL, I surely will point it out. So there actually aren't any on record as you said? I just wanted to point that out. That was all I asked. Why would I google up names of ex players that believe the Giants have a shaky OL going into the season... for Mike Cherry? They are out there, so?...can think of 3 famous ones right off the top of my head...but that would be an unhealthy method of debate. I thought my reply made that clear. This player said this, that player said that, who agrees with me?...beat writer said this, beat writer said that, who agrees with me?...analytics said bad, PFF/ESPN sucks, analytics said good, PFF/ESPN a fine reputable source. Tis ghost debating at its finest...an urge and need to win an argument, to win so bad, you will constantly flip flop players, writers and stats as a need to fit what you said...tis your posting MO. Now, do you really believe of all ex players and writers, and scouts ... none suggest the Giants have issues at OL, and certain players might not have what it takes to thrive at blocking in the NFL? All analytics suggest we might have a problem. Stop the silliness and watch some film....NY Giant fans can and should be concerned with the OL
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Post by McCherry on Jul 18, 2021 11:48:04 GMT -5
So there actually aren't any on record as you said? I just wanted to point that out. That was all I asked. Why would I google up names of ex players that believe the Giants have a shaky OL going into the season... for Mike Cherry? They are out there, so?...can think of 3 famous ones right off the top of my head...but that would be an unhealthy method of debate. I thought my reply made that clear. This player said this, that player said that, who agrees with me?...beat writer said this, beat writer said that, who agrees with me?...analytics said bad, PFF/ESPN sucks, analytics said good, PFF/ESPN a fine reputable source. Tis ghost debating at its finest... an urge and need to win an argument, to win so bad, you will constantly flip flop players, writers and stats as a need to fit what you said...tis your posting MO. Now, do you really believe of all ex players and writers, and scouts ... none suggest the Giants have issues at OL, and certain players might not have what it takes to thrive at blocking in the NFL? All analytics suggest we might have a problem. Stop the silliness and watch some film....NY Giant fans can and should be concerned with the OL I didn't realize this was an argument? I only asked you to back up something you posted as a fact. I get the analytics, etc. I asked for names of experts, which you specifically said there were many. If you were just speaking facetiously, no worries, let's drop it. Chill, man.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 11:58:18 GMT -5
Why would I google up names of ex players that believe the Giants have a shaky OL going into the season... for Mike Cherry? They are out there, so?...can think of 3 famous ones right off the top of my head...but that would be an unhealthy method of debate. I thought my reply made that clear. This player said this, that player said that, who agrees with me?...beat writer said this, beat writer said that, who agrees with me?...analytics said bad, PFF/ESPN sucks, analytics said good, PFF/ESPN a fine reputable source. Tis ghost debating at its finest... an urge and need to win an argument, to win so bad, you will constantly flip flop players, writers and stats as a need to fit what you said...tis your posting MO. Now, do you really believe of all ex players and writers, and scouts ... none suggest the Giants have issues at OL, and certain players might not have what it takes to thrive at blocking in the NFL? All analytics suggest we might have a problem. Stop the silliness and watch some film....NY Giant fans can and should be concerned with the OL I didn't realize this was an argument? I only asked you to back up something you posted as a fact. I get the analytics, etc. I asked for names of experts, which you specifically said there were many. If you were just speaking facetiously, no worries, let's drop it. Chill, man. Yes, there are at least 300 and google brought up 393 of them, however I can only use 312 due to the lack of padded experience... wow, imagine 312 padded minds questioning the NY Giants offensive line? Absurd I tell you.
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