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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 8:51:43 GMT -5
Josh Rosen played for the Cardinals. They’re the Detroit Lions of the dessert. He also was coached by Steve Wilks. Never heard of him? No one has. He lasted one year before being shipped out. The Cardinals biggest weapon was a player who was collecting social security, Larry Fitzgerald. You act as Jones is playing for the Saudi Arabia Juggernauts. You want to talk about rough starts, Josh Rosen is being tossed around like a cheap hooker. What team is he on now? 49ers.. Wait a minute. Jones had Pat Shurmur, not Vince Lombardi. Pretty safe to say both guys had a shit draw.
Josh Rosen did have Byron Leftwich as his QB/OC coach though and last time I checked that guy coached the GOAT and won a Super Bowl as the OC. I guess it's easier to coach Brady than Rosen.
Fact is most players pick by a team in the top 10 are probably going to a bad team. Not everyone is Ben Roethlisberger or Lamar Jackson.
....if we only had Vince, so Daniel Jones could run the sweep You sure get stuck on the wrong end of arguments for too long a time...Barkley was and will always be the wrong pick at 2......now, after his rookie year, and when the pick was made. It will never be the correct choice |
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Post by GameTime on Jul 16, 2021 9:03:17 GMT -5
Barkley is on the roster. The time to say he was or wasnt the right pick is over and it doesnt matter any more. He is here so he needs to play great. Lets get back on point. profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/07/14/joe-judge-im-very-pleased-with-the-leadership-daniel-jones-has-taken-on-this-year/“I’m always excited about working with Daniel — I really am,” Judge said. “This guy’s had a really good offseason for us. I thought that Daniel grew a lot last year. And there’s no excuses for anything, everyone had the same obstacles. I thought Daniel going into a new offense last year, without a spring, without really a training camp, without preseason games — there were some things that he had to adjust to within the season and as a team improved, he was a huge part of it. “One thing about this guy that I can’t say enough is how everyone responds to him. This is a guy that I didn’t know before I took the job. I didn’t, which is why I was so reserved in making comments about him — it wasn’t going to be fair to him. The more I’ve gotten to know him, and really you get to know him and watch him work. But this guy is a leader. This is a guy, he steps in the huddle, the guys respond to [him]. Offensively and defensively, these guys all respond to him. He is tough. There’s no hiding that. The team knows that he’s going to play through certain kinds of injuries. And he’s a tough dude. He works relentlessly.” |
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Post by McCherry on Jul 16, 2021 10:18:33 GMT -5
Obviously Getty didn't think any of the QBs available were franchise QBs. But, if that was the case, the obvious play was to leverage their draft position and the QB class to get a good ROI for that 2nd OVR pick with a GM that maybe did see Darnold as a franchise and wanted to jump the Jets to get him. Or a GM that saw Buffalo wanting Allen and jumping them to get Allen. Is Barkley the worst pick in the world? No. Obviously better to get a guy like Barkley than to draft another Flowers. But, basically staying at that pick when you didn't like the QBs on the board (which, BTW not realizing Allen's potential is a notch against Getty. It's his job to be able to see player potential) and didn't like drafting a Guard at 2 OVR (Understandable), was a bad move in terms of efficiency. Let's not also forget he passed on Bradley Chubb at that spot as well and we're still looking for an edge rusher. There is a very high chance if the Giants trade out of that pick to a team that takes a QB, that CLE likely takes Barkley at 4 and if they don't there is a fair chance Barkley drops the same way McFadden did and depending on where they traded down to they could have still gotten him AND gotten whatever extra picks. Listen we will never know what was offered to DG. Yes maybe if we traded back we would have made a killing but maybe we wouldn't have. People always list these guys we could have taken but not everyone taken is a hit. We could have traded back and taken a bust and then we would be sitting here complaining that DG past on an amazing RB and instead took Billy Price.
It's just impossible to play the billion different scenarios. Yes there are things that could have been better (true in any draft), but there are things that could have been worse (also true in any draft). Right now all I can say is that if given the choice I take Barkley over Darnold and Rosen.
We do know, because Gettleman told us the offers were a joke. And rightly so, look at the talent. The Colts couldn't even get a first for the #3 pick. It was a bad draft. You can't squeeze value out of nothing. This past draft showed that Gettleman won't hesitate to make a trade if the value is there. |
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 16, 2021 11:45:31 GMT -5
DG doesn’t know what could have been offered either since he instructed his people not to answer the phone. Again. On draft night he didn't answer the phone. As we all know these deals are made ahead of time. He knew what people were offering because they had discussed it leading up to the draft. |
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 16, 2021 11:49:27 GMT -5
....if we only had Vince, so Daniel Jones could run the sweep You sure get stuck on the wrong end of arguments for too long a time...Barkley was and will always be the wrong pick at 2......now, after his rookie year, and when the pick was made. It will never be the correct choice Like I said you can look at pretty much any pick and say it was wrong because XYZ was better. There's always a better pick.
My point is the the alternative of drafting Darnold or Rosen would have been WORSE than Barkley. Was he the perfect pick? No. Was he the worst option? Nope. If we win the Super Bowl with Barkley on this team then he was not the wrong pick. In the end that is the only thing that matters and the only way to prove people you were the right pick.
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 16, 2021 11:52:13 GMT -5
We do know, because Gettleman told us the offers were a joke. And rightly so, look at the talent. The Colts couldn't even get a first for the #3 pick. It was a bad draft. You can't squeeze value out of nothing. This past draft showed that Gettleman won't hesitate to make a trade if the value is there. People only want to listen to what DG says if it makes them feel better. Clearly if someone made a good offer he would have taken it. |
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Post by McCherry on Jul 16, 2021 12:05:11 GMT -5
....if we only had Vince, so Daniel Jones could run the sweep You sure get stuck on the wrong end of arguments for too long a time...Barkley was and will always be the wrong pick at 2......now, after his rookie year, and when the pick was made. It will never be the correct choice Like I said you can look at pretty much any pick and say it was wrong because XYZ was better. There's always a better pick.
My point is the the alternative of drafting Darnold or Rosen would have been WORSE than Barkley. Was he the perfect pick? No. Was he the worst option? Nope. If we win the Super Bowl with Barkley on this team then he was not the wrong pick. In the end that is the only thing that matters and the only way to prove people you were the right pick.
And Giant fans talk about Nelson like he’s some saviour. He's a Guard who wouldn't have made a bit of difference on that line with Flowers, Solder, Omemah. We won more games by drafting Barkley. Had there been a blue chip LT available? Different story. |
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 16, 2021 12:13:51 GMT -5
DG doesn’t know what could have been offered either since he instructed his people not to answer the phone. Again. On draft night he didn't answer the phone. As we all know these deals are made ahead of time. He knew what people were offering because they had discussed it leading up to the draft. No deals are made when people are on the clock? Hmm |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 12:43:42 GMT -5
....if we only had Vince, so Daniel Jones could run the sweep You sure get stuck on the wrong end of arguments for too long a time...Barkley was and will always be the wrong pick at 2......now, after his rookie year, and when the pick was made. It will never be the correct choice Like I said you can look at pretty much any pick and say it was wrong because XYZ was better. There's always a better pick.
My point is the the alternative of drafting Darnold or Rosen would have been WORSE than Barkley. Was he the perfect pick? No. Was he the worst option? Nope. If we win the Super Bowl with Barkley on this team then he was not the wrong pick. In the end that is the only thing that matters and the only way to prove people you were the right pick.
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 16, 2021 13:53:00 GMT -5
Again. On draft night he didn't answer the phone. As we all know these deals are made ahead of time. He knew what people were offering because they had discussed it leading up to the draft. No deals are made when people are on the clock? Hmm Stop dude. You know damn well all of these deals are discussed ahead of time. They don't start discussing a deal when they go on the clock. Can we please stop pretending that we don't know this? |
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 16, 2021 13:55:29 GMT -5
Like I said you can look at pretty much any pick and say it was wrong because XYZ was better. There's always a better pick.
My point is the the alternative of drafting Darnold or Rosen would have been WORSE than Barkley. Was he the perfect pick? No. Was he the worst option? Nope. If we win the Super Bowl with Barkley on this team then he was not the wrong pick. In the end that is the only thing that matters and the only way to prove people you were the right pick.
Totally disagree...as I have every one of your running back at 2 arguments past present and future. You disagree with what?
You think Rosen or Darnold would have been better picks? Or do you think Barkley was actually the worst possible pick at #2?
I know you don't like the pick which is cool, but let me know what I said you don't agree with. I'd love to discuss the 2018 draft a little more lol.
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 16, 2021 14:01:24 GMT -5
Like I said you can look at pretty much any pick and say it was wrong because XYZ was better. There's always a better pick.
My point is the the alternative of drafting Darnold or Rosen would have been WORSE than Barkley. Was he the perfect pick? No. Was he the worst option? Nope. If we win the Super Bowl with Barkley on this team then he was not the wrong pick. In the end that is the only thing that matters and the only way to prove people you were the right pick.
And Giant fans talk about Nelson like he’s some saviour. He's a Guard who wouldn't have made a bit of difference on that line with Flowers, Solder, Omemah. We won more games by drafting Barkley. Had there been a blue chip LT available? Different story. Well I do think Nelson would have made "a bit" of difference. He essentially would have been playing instead of Hernandez. If Hernandez was one of the best OGs in football our line and offense would be better. I don't think Nelson would make enough of a difference to change much for this franchise over the last couple years though.
Hard to say we won more games by drafting Barkley since he barely played the last two years. I think Nelson + Chubb (thus far) would have been better than Barkley + Hernandez. There is no way to tell if we would have taken Chubb though, maybe we would have taken Guice. It's all revisionist history and meaningless.
Like I said Barkley isn't the perfect (no better option) draft pick and he isn't the worst (no worse option) draft pick.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jul 16, 2021 14:04:06 GMT -5
Like I said you can look at pretty much any pick and say it was wrong because XYZ was better. There's always a better pick.
My point is the the alternative of drafting Darnold or Rosen would have been WORSE than Barkley. Was he the perfect pick? No. Was he the worst option? Nope. If we win the Super Bowl with Barkley on this team then he was not the wrong pick. In the end that is the only thing that matters and the only way to prove people you were the right pick.
And Giant fans talk about Nelson like he’s some saviour. He's a Guard who wouldn't have made a bit of difference on that line with Flowers, Solder, Omemah. We won more games by drafting Barkley. Had there been a blue chip LT available? Different story. must be why the Colts make the playoffs while the Giants keep trying to reach .500 |
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Post by McCherry on Jul 16, 2021 14:30:26 GMT -5
And Giant fans talk about Nelson like he’s some saviour. He's a Guard who wouldn't have made a bit of difference on that line with Flowers, Solder, Omemah. We won more games by drafting Barkley. Had there been a blue chip LT available? Different story. Well I do think Nelson would have made "a bit" of difference. He essentially would have been playing instead of Hernandez. If Hernandez was one of the best OGs in football our line and offense would be better. I don't think Nelson would make enough of a difference to change much for this franchise over the last couple years though.
Hard to say we won more games by drafting Barkley since he barely played the last two years. I think Nelson + Chubb (thus far) would have been better than Barkley + Hernandez. There is no way to tell if we would have taken Chubb though, maybe we would have taken Guice. It's all revisionist history and meaningless.
Like I said Barkley isn't the perfect (no better option) draft pick and he isn't the worst (no worse option) draft pick.
Well, Barkley has only missed one year. There is no question he has been integral in some of those wins in his two full seasons. Hernandez hasn’t been so awful he’s killing us. Our problem for years have been the tackles. That’s where the pressure has come from since forever. Center had also been a problem. Barkley has arguably been the best player on the field when he’s there. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 14:43:01 GMT -5
Totally disagree...as I have every one of your running back at 2 arguments past present and future. You disagree with what?
You think Rosen or Darnold would have been better picks? Or do you think Barkley was actually the worst possible pick at #2?
I know you don't like the pick which is cool, but let me know what I said you don't agree with. I'd love to discuss the 2018 draft a little more lol.
Been there and done that....horrible pick, brutal pick with stated reasons why by others and myself many times when it was actually happening ...repeating them yet again would suggest my life needs improvement. A running back at pick 2 is laughably idiotic.  |
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Jul 16, 2021 14:43:58 GMT -5
Obviously Getty didn't think any of the QBs available were franchise QBs. But, if that was the case, the obvious play was to leverage their draft position and the QB class to get a good ROI for that 2nd OVR pick with a GM that maybe did see Darnold as a franchise and wanted to jump the Jets to get him. Or a GM that saw Buffalo wanting Allen and jumping them to get Allen. Is Barkley the worst pick in the world? No. Obviously better to get a guy like Barkley than to draft another Flowers. But, basically staying at that pick when you didn't like the QBs on the board (which, BTW not realizing Allen's potential is a notch against Getty. It's his job to be able to see player potential) and didn't like drafting a Guard at 2 OVR (Understandable), was a bad move in terms of efficiency. Let's not also forget he passed on Bradley Chubb at that spot as well and we're still looking for an edge rusher. There is a very high chance if the Giants trade out of that pick to a team that takes a QB, that CLE likely takes Barkley at 4 and if they don't there is a fair chance Barkley drops the same way McFadden did and depending on where they traded down to they could have still gotten him AND gotten whatever extra picks. Listen we will never know what was offered to DG. Yes maybe if we traded back we would have made a killing but maybe we wouldn't have. People always list these guys we could have taken but not everyone taken is a hit. We could have traded back and taken a bust and then we would be sitting here complaining that DG past on an amazing RB and instead took Billy Price.
It's just impossible to play the billion different scenarios. Yes there are things that could have been better (true in any draft), but there are things that could have been worse (also true in any draft). Right now all I can say is that if given the choice I take Barkley over Darnold and Rosen.
Yes, any deal they make means that they need to hit on whatever players they end up with after the deal. But, that's not the point. The point is leveraging the most value out of a resource. This particular resource being the #2OVR pick in a QB heavy draft class. And using that to maximize their ability to add talent to a team that was so desperately devoid of it. The idea is being able to look at the fact that the best RBs' in the last 10 years have had trouble making a 2nd contract pay off for the teams that drafted them. I defend Getty for a lot of his moves and don't expect the guy to be perfect. And it's not to say he can't still succeed. If Jones becomes a franchise QB this year, we'll not care about the inefficient use of 2018 draft capital. But people often say you need to give 3 years to grade a draft. Well, it's 3 years later and that 2018 draft isn't stacking up too great right now. |
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 16, 2021 14:49:36 GMT -5
Well, Barkley has only missed one year. There is no question he has been integral in some of those wins in his two full seasons. Hernandez hasn’t been so awful he’s killing us. Our problem for years have been the tackles. That’s where the pressure has come from since forever. Center had also been a problem. Barkley has arguably been the best player on the field when he’s there. It's not even a debate whether Barkley was the best player or not. He only missed 3 games in 2019 but was banged up and not himself most of the year. Barkley of course contributed to those wins. We won 3 games before him, then 5 then 4 and last year without him we won 6. It's hard to quantify exactly what our wins would have been if we went in another direction.
I'm good with the pick, but it's not the only good pick we could have made. I don't think taking Nelson would have been a bad pick and certainly would have helped us. The pressure is absolutely coming up the middle though, not just off the edges. Thomas gave up a sack on 1% of his snaps (10 sacks, almost 1000 snaps), Shane Lemiuex gave up a sack on 1% of his snaps (5 sacks, about 500 snaps). Nelson just to compare gave up 1 sack on over 1,000 snaps.
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 16, 2021 14:50:36 GMT -5
Been there and done that....horrible pick, brutal pick with stated reasons why by others and myself many times when it was actually happening ...repeating them yet again would suggest my life needs improvement. A running back at pick 2 is laughably idiotic. Right, like I said. What did I say in the post you quoted that you disagree with?
If you don't want to talk about it, that's cool don't bother posting about it then lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 14:55:42 GMT -5
Been there and done that....horrible pick, brutal pick with stated reasons why by others and myself many times when it was actually happening ...repeating them yet again would suggest my life needs improvement. A running back at pick 2 is laughably idiotic. Right, like I said. What did I say in the post you quoted that you disagree with?
If you don't want to talk about it, that's cool don't bother posting about it then lol.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 16, 2021 15:51:02 GMT -5
Wait a minute. Jones had Pat Shurmur, not Vince Lombardi. Pretty safe to say both guys had a shit draw.
Josh Rosen did have Byron Leftwich as his QB/OC coach though and last time I checked that guy coached the GOAT and won a Super Bowl as the OC. I guess it's easier to coach Brady than Rosen.
Fact is most players pick by a team in the top 10 are probably going to a bad team. Not everyone is Ben Roethlisberger or Lamar Jackson.
....if we only had Vince, so Daniel Jones could run the sweep You sure get stuck on the wrong end of arguments for too long a time...Barkley was and will always be the wrong pick at 2......now, after his rookie year, and when the pick was made. It will never be the correct choice It could be better or worse Like say Josh Rosen or Sam Darnold worse, lol for me probably the right thing was trade down that said it was 3 years ago ancient history in the NFL, time to let it go as I said before they have a good shot at being a good team if so they are on schedule and fine if not someone else will be using the draft Capital DG procured. Kind of Kwami Brown / John Dorsey type situation. Hopefully they are good we are happy DG and Judge stay and they crush next years draft. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 16:25:30 GMT -5
....if we only had Vince, so Daniel Jones could run the sweep You sure get stuck on the wrong end of arguments for too long a time...Barkley was and will always be the wrong pick at 2......now, after his rookie year, and when the pick was made. It will never be the correct choice , lol for me probably the right thing was trade down that said it was 3 years ago ancient history in the NFL, time to let it go as I said before they have a good shot at being a good team if so they are on schedule and fine if not someone else will be using the draft Capital DG procured. Kind of Kwami Brown / John Dorsey type situation. Hopefully they are good we are happy DG and Judge stay and they crush next years draft. Hindsight... Running backs at 2 overall are what dumb franchises do...18-46 teams  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 17:54:32 GMT -5
No deals are made when people are on the clock? Hmm Stop dude. You know damn well all of these deals are discussed ahead of time. They don't start discussing a deal when they go on the clock. Can we please stop pretending that we don't know this? Dallas and Filthy had that Smith deal worked out? ...  |
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 16, 2021 18:51:29 GMT -5
No deals are made when people are on the clock? Hmm Stop dude. You know damn well all of these deals are discussed ahead of time. They don't start discussing a deal when they go on the clock. Can we please stop pretending that we don't know this? The parameters of some potential deals may certainly be discussed before the draft, but if you think that: (1) additional deal terms aren’t agreed to while teams are on the clock; or (2) deals don’t originate while teams are on the clock, you’re just downright wrong. If deals were always agreed to before the draft started, why would there be a need to take the phone off of the hook? Gettleman’s decision not to answer the phone is the worst case of GM malpractice that I have ever heard of. There is literally no downside to answering the phone. Ridiculous |
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 16, 2021 19:00:35 GMT -5
Stop dude. You know damn well all of these deals are discussed ahead of time. They don't start discussing a deal when they go on the clock. Can we please stop pretending that we don't know this? The parameters of some potential deals may certainly be discussed before the draft, but if you think that: (1) additional deal terms aren’t agreed to while teams are on the clock; or (2) deals don’t originate while teams are on the clock, you’re just downright wrong. If deals were always agreed to before the draft started, why would there be a need to take the phone off of the hook? Gettleman’s decision not to answer the phone is the worst case of GM malpractice that I have ever heard of. There is literally no downside to answering the phone. Ridiculous It’s pure arrogance. Dave came in with his chest puffed out, and daring the doubters to check his resume. There is no rhyme or reason ever to not take phone calls for the 2nd pick. I don’t care if the line was permanently broken. You listen to the offers, and make an assessment. To blatantly ignore them, is on a moronic level. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Jul 16, 2021 19:41:28 GMT -5
The parameters of some potential deals may certainly be discussed before the draft, but if you think that: (1) additional deal terms aren’t agreed to while teams are on the clock; or (2) deals don’t originate while teams are on the clock, you’re just downright wrong. If deals were always agreed to before the draft started, why would there be a need to take the phone off of the hook? Gettleman’s decision not to answer the phone is the worst case of GM malpractice that I have ever heard of. There is literally no downside to answering the phone. Ridiculous It’s pure arrogance. Dave came in with his chest puffed out, and daring the doubters to check his resume. There is no rhyme or reason ever to not take phone calls for the 2nd pick. I don’t care if the line was permanently broken. You listen to the offers, and make an assessment. To blatantly ignore them, is on a moronic level. Prehistoric Dave getting defended by the Evolution crew is an oxymoron with an emphasis on the latter. Kidding, keep smiling folks lol and yes, you answer the phone. |
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 16, 2021 20:11:24 GMT -5
Right, like I said. What did I say in the post you quoted that you disagree with?
If you don't want to talk about it, that's cool don't bother posting about it then lol.
Thanks Mikey...hopefully you can change minds with your new convincing arguments I'm not trying to change minds. You don't even disagree with me why would I try to change your mind?
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 16, 2021 20:23:52 GMT -5
The parameters of some potential deals may certainly be discussed before the draft, but if you think that: (1) additional deal terms aren’t agreed to while teams are on the clock; or (2) deals don’t originate while teams are on the clock, you’re just downright wrong. If deals were always agreed to before the draft started, why would there be a need to take the phone off of the hook? Gettleman’s decision not to answer the phone is the worst case of GM malpractice that I have ever heard of. There is literally no downside to answering the phone. Ridiculous It's just odd that somethings he says and you think he is full of garbage but then other things he says and you take it as gospel. You know what else he said? "We did have one very reasonable offer. We did,". He also said that once they were on the clock that he didn't check back with people. It's not that his phone was ringing off the hook and he ignored it, he simply didn't call people back. He also said “People call you and they want the second pick in the draft for a bag of donuts, a hot pretzel and a hot dog,''. So clearly he DID actually talk to people about trading.
Does it really matter? The #3 team traded for what we can assume was the best offer. Three #2 picks. The only time I know of that a team traded the #1 or #2 pick without getting an extra first round pick in return was the 49ers when they moved down 1 spot. If you would have liked that trade then it's all good. People just have to stop trying to sell Rosen and Darnold as the better alternative.
I think all deals are "in the ballpark" before the draft. There is simply not enough time to start negotiating while on the clock and trying to weigh multiple deals.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jul 16, 2021 20:40:55 GMT -5
Since the Colts trade for #2 picks after picking up the phone
* OL Quenton Nelson
* OL Braden Smith
* DE Kemoko Turay
* RB Jordan Wilkins
* CB Rock Ya-Sin
Records
28-20 Colts.
15-33 Giants
2021 Cap Room
Colts $14.2
Giants $2.4 million
2022 Current Cap Room
Colts $83 million 37 players including high priced QB
Giants $2.7 million 47 players including QB rookie contract
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 16, 2021 20:48:55 GMT -5
The parameters of some potential deals may certainly be discussed before the draft, but if you think that: (1) additional deal terms aren’t agreed to while teams are on the clock; or (2) deals don’t originate while teams are on the clock, you’re just downright wrong. If deals were always agreed to before the draft started, why would there be a need to take the phone off of the hook? Gettleman’s decision not to answer the phone is the worst case of GM malpractice that I have ever heard of. There is literally no downside to answering the phone. Ridiculous It's just odd that somethings he says and you think he is full of garbage but then other things he says and you take it as gospel. You know what else he said? "We did have one very reasonable offer. We did,". He also said that once they were on the clock that he didn't check back with people. It's not that his phone was ringing off the hook and he ignored it, he simply didn't call people back. He also said “People call you and they want the second pick in the draft for a bag of donuts, a hot pretzel and a hot dog,''. So clearly he DID actually talk to people about trading.
Does it really matter? The #3 team traded for what we can assume was the best offer. Three #2 picks. The only time I know of that a team traded the #1 or #2 pick without getting an extra first round pick in return was the 49ers when they moved down 1 spot. If you would have liked that trade then it's all good. People just have to stop trying to sell Rosen and Darnold as the better alternative.
I think all deals are "in the ballpark" before the draft. There is simply not enough time to start negotiating while on the clock and trying to weigh multiple deals.
Even assuming that everything you say is true, how is it even arguably a good decision to not pick up the phone? What is the downside to picking up the phone? |
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 16, 2021 20:55:53 GMT -5
Even assuming that everything you say is true, how is it even arguably a good decision to not pick up the phone? What is the downside to picking up the phone? Did the phone ring?
The quotes I see, from Dave not from the media, are that he talked to people and didn't like the offers and that he didn't reach out to other teams once on the clock. Were people actually calling us I guess is what I wonder.
You are right there would be no down side to picking up the phone, but I still don't think I personally would make the trade without getting at extra #1. If others disagree that's fine, just my opinion.
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