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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 16, 2021 21:50:39 GMT -5
It could be better or worse Like say Josh Rosen or Sam Darnold worse, lol for me probably the right thing was trade down that said it was 3 years ago ancient history in the NFL, time to let it go as I said before they have a good shot at being a good team if so they are on schedule and fine if not someone else will be using the draft Capital DG procured. Kind of Kwami Brown / John Dorsey type situation. Hopefully they are good we are happy DG and Judge stay and they crush next years draft. Hindsight... Running backs at 2 overall are what dumb franchises do...18-46 teams No one said it was the right move all I'm saying it could have been a lot worse. People holding onto this like a school girl who has been cheated on for the first time. Or Haskins wife when he hangs with his friends to much another popular pick for the Giants by half the GMs here lol.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 16, 2021 21:59:19 GMT -5
Even assuming that everything you say is true, how is it even arguably a good decision to not pick up the phone? What is the downside to picking up the phone? Did the phone ring?
The quotes I see, from Dave not from the media, are that he talked to people and didn't like the offers and that he didn't reach out to other teams once on the clock. Were people actually calling us I guess is what I wonder.
You are right there would be no down side to picking up the phone, but I still don't think I personally would make the trade without getting at extra #1. If others disagree that's fine, just my opinion.
#2 pick in the draft you have to get there 1 next year and there 1 in the current draft along with there 2 next year and a 3rd. Giants just got a 1 next year and a 3, plus chicago's 1 this year and their 5th for the 8th pick in the draft. three 2's is a no can do.
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 16, 2021 22:15:41 GMT -5
#2 pick in the draft you have to get there 1 next year and there 1 in the current draft along with there 2 next year and a 3rd. Giants just got a 1 next year and a 3, plus chicago's 1 this year and their 5th for the 8th pick in the draft. three 2's is a no can do. We gave the 11th pick not the 8th this year and got all that. I agree. I get that people wanted a trade back, I personally just don't think that Jets offer was good enough. If others do that's all good. I am still looking but have not found any other team that gave up the 1st or 2nd pick and didn't get an extra 1st in return.
If you look at 2012 the Skins traded up from 6th to 2nd. Just like the Jets would have tried to do with us. They gave up 3 first round picks and a 2nd round pick. In 1999 the Skins traded from 5 to 7 with the Saints in exchange for the Saints 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th of that draft and the 1st and 3rd of the next draft...for two spots LMAO.
Edit: I did find one instance. The Chargers could not reach an agreement before the draft with Michael Vick so they traded the pick to Atlanta for their 1st, 3rd and 2nd the next year plus Tim Dwight. Chargers went from 1 to 5 and took....the best RB in the draft, Hall of Famer Ladainlian Tomlinson. If Barkley ends up like Tomlinson no one will care haha.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 16, 2021 22:22:27 GMT -5
#2 pick in the draft you have to get there 1 next year and there 1 in the current draft along with there 2 next year and a 3rd. Giants just got a 1 next year and a 3, plus chicago's 1 this year and their 5th for the 8th pick in the draft. three 2's is a no can do. We gave the 11th pick not the 8th this year and got all that. I agree. I get that people wanted a trade back, I personally just don't think that Jets offer was good enough. If others do that's all good. I am still looking but have not found any other team that gave up the 1st or 2nd pick and didn't get an extra 1st in return.
If you look at 2012 the Skins traded up from 6th to 2nd. Just like the Jets would have tried to do with us. They gave up 3 first round picks and a 2nd round pick. In 1999 the Skins traded from 5 to 7 with the Saints in exchange for the Saints 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th of that draft and the 1st and 3rd of the next draft...for two spots LMAO.
Edit: I did find one instance. The Chargers could not reach an agreement before the draft with Michael Vick so they traded the pick to Atlanta for their 1st, 3rd and 2nd the next year plus Tim Dwight. Chargers went from 1 to 5 and took....the best RB in the draft, Hall of Famer Ladainlian Tomlinson. If Barkley ends up like Tomlinson no one will care haha.
Agree none of us know what was offered if anything tha said right or wrong this is history. Fans need to get over it they could have done worse or maybe better if there e was a good trad down offer. Look a DC in the NFC I believe said Barkely isn't like the normal back and is probably the best when healthy. having three to 4 guys keeping tabs on him on every play. Right or wrong we could have done worse.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 1:36:52 GMT -5
We gave the 11th pick not the 8th this year and got all that. I agree. I get that people wanted a trade back, I personally just don't think that Jets offer was good enough. If others do that's all good. I am still looking but have not found any other team that gave up the 1st or 2nd pick and didn't get an extra 1st in return.
If you look at 2012 the Skins traded up from 6th to 2nd. Just like the Jets would have tried to do with us. They gave up 3 first round picks and a 2nd round pick. In 1999 the Skins traded from 5 to 7 with the Saints in exchange for the Saints 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th of that draft and the 1st and 3rd of the next draft...for two spots LMAO.
Edit: I did find one instance. The Chargers could not reach an agreement before the draft with Michael Vick so they traded the pick to Atlanta for their 1st, 3rd and 2nd the next year plus Tim Dwight. Chargers went from 1 to 5 and took....the best RB in the draft, Hall of Famer Ladainlian Tomlinson. If Barkley ends up like Tomlinson no one will care haha.
Agree none of us know what was offered if anything tha said right or wrong this is history. Fans need to get over it they could have done worse or maybe better if there e was a good trad down offer. Look a DC in the NFC I believe said Barkely isn't like the normal back and is probably the best when healthy. having three to 4 guys keeping tabs on him on every play. Right or wrong we could have done worse. You might have the fans who need to get over it in your crosshairs of whom you are responding to this post....fans like myself know in absolute truth, a running back at pick 2 was a brutal team pick that year, but have indeed moved on. It's quite possible the guy who keeps defending this trade on a yearly basis could be that needed fan. Just an observation.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 6:02:02 GMT -5
Hindsight... Running backs at 2 overall are what dumb franchises do...18-46 teams No one said it was the right move all I'm saying it could have been a lot worse. People holding onto this like a school girl who has been cheated on for the first time. Or Haskins wife when he hangs with his friends to much another popular pick for the Giants by half the GMs here lol. Catholic school is rough out in Ireland....guess the argumentative and those with personalties needing to be right over things they have no influence on don't let things go and can't move on It was a dumb move then, a dumb move now....but we have to work with what we have and hope thunder thighs can protect his ACL knee and pray for no more injuries....he is an imperative weapon for Daniel Jones this make or break year. If Barkley is going to do running back again, and get hurt...at least get DJ proven he is the franchise...
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 17, 2021 7:44:42 GMT -5
No one said it was the right move all I'm saying it could have been a lot worse. People holding onto this like a school girl who has been cheated on for the first time. Or Haskins wife when he hangs with his friends to much another popular pick for the Giants by half the GMs here lol. Catholic school is rough out in Ireland....guess the argumentative and those with personalties needing to be right over things they have no influence on don't let things go and can't move on It was a dumb move then, a dumb move now....but we have to work with what we have and hope thunder thighs can protect his ACL knee and pray for no more injuries....he is an imperative weapon for Daniel Jones this make or break year. If Barkley is going to do running back again, and get hurt...at least get DJ proven he is the franchise... Barkely at his best can help Jones a ton one DC said that he has 3 to 4 players assigned to him on weekly bases when healthy, Jones first game against the steelers and how it all got shut down once SQB went down. As the old saying goes can't help the club from the tub, Barkely isn't the run of mill RB but if he can't stay healthy he is less. Not a smart move I hope for him to stay healthy he's a good kid by all accounts and with average OL play he can make 1800 to 2000 yards a regular thing. Health for me is the main reason RBs are not wise investments. Then again look at Nick Chubb he destroyed his knee early in his college career he seems to be chugging along just fine heres to health.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 17, 2021 8:03:05 GMT -5
Agree none of us know what was offered if anything tha said right or wrong this is history. Fans need to get over it they could have done worse or maybe better if there e was a good trad down offer. Look a DC in the NFC I believe said Barkely isn't like the normal back and is probably the best when healthy. having three to 4 guys keeping tabs on him on every play. Right or wrong we could have done worse. You might have the fans who need to get over it in your crosshairs of whom you are responding to this post....fans like myself know in absolute truth, a running back at pick 2 was a brutal team pick that year, but have indeed moved on. It's quite possible the guy who keeps defending this trade on a yearly basis could be that needed fan. Just an observation. I wish it would go away really. they are going into year 4 of this rebuild on the field, the draft and free agency are in the books If and this is a big if they win getting the mess of the Giants fixed in 4 drafts is good by me, with future draft capital and word is the cap will be healthy after 2022, I don't think there is a need to defend the pick, the player is here when healthy he is top 3 if he could stay on the field he would probably be #1 this is coming from people who coach and have to play against him maybe a mistake but as I said not a JaMarcus Russel type mistake. I am like Joe Judge tell me the good the past is done this is a dead horse.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 8:10:46 GMT -5
Catholic school is rough out in Ireland....guess the argumentative and those with personalties needing to be right over things they have no influence on don't let things go and can't move on It was a dumb move then, a dumb move now....but we have to work with what we have and hope thunder thighs can protect his ACL knee and pray for no more injuries....he is an imperative weapon for Daniel Jones this make or break year. If Barkley is going to do running back again, and get hurt...at least get DJ proven he is the franchise... Barkely at his best can help Jones a ton one DC said that he has 3 to 4 players assigned to him on weekly bases when healthy, Jones first game against the steelers and how it all got shut down once SQB went down. As the old saying goes can't help the club from the tub, Barkely isn't the run of mill RB but if he can't stay healthy he is less. Not a smart move I hope for him to stay healthy he's a good kid by all accounts and with average OL play he can make 1800 to 2000 yards a regular thing. Health for me is the main reason RBs are not wise investments. Then again look at Nick Chubb he destroyed his knee early in his college career he seems to be chugging along just fine heres to health. Oh, I have no doubt SB will play again, and play well...and what he does to opposing teams defenses and their DC having to safety up is exactly what a Jones needs for his passing game. How long before he gets dinged or knocked out of another season or part of?...that's the unknown. In all honesty, I have more faith in Barkley becoming the player we seen before his injury vs the offensive line becoming dominant ....sometimes, despite all the coaching, a talent has a limit in how well they can actually become. For instance, I see Hernandez and I wonder if losing the pounds to be more agile (zone) will create less of an anchor and his ability to move/drive large men. Some of the OL you can project a bit more, as the talent is there...or length and quick feet...might need to simply get stronger such as Shane Lemieux and Peart, or improve some technique....the bend of Peart, the hands and feet of Thomas and Shane Lemieux with the anchor. Much easier for one running back to get back to being dominant off an injury, even a horrific ACL vs 4 or 5 individual blockers ...and then having that unit gel.
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Post by Roswell on Jul 17, 2021 8:15:10 GMT -5
The parameters of some potential deals may certainly be discussed before the draft, but if you think that: (1) additional deal terms aren’t agreed to while teams are on the clock; or (2) deals don’t originate while teams are on the clock, you’re just downright wrong. If deals were always agreed to before the draft started, why would there be a need to take the phone off of the hook? Gettleman’s decision not to answer the phone is the worst case of GM malpractice that I have ever heard of. There is literally no downside to answering the phone. Ridiculous It’s pure arrogance. Dave came in with his chest puffed out, and daring the doubters to check his resume. There is no rhyme or reason ever to not take phone calls for the 2nd pick. I don’t care if the line was permanently broken. You listen to the offers, and make an assessment. To blatantly ignore them, is on a moronic level. Not here to argue that point or the point that TC made. Of course you take the call. You never know what the offer might be. But is it possible that DG just wanted to publicly say, "We got our guy. There was no reason to consider offers that we viewed as not fair market offers. We had heard what teams were offering and decided to go in this direction."? Just his way of saying we love SB and couldn't be more thrilled to add him to our team? That's a possible scenario, no?
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 17, 2021 8:28:56 GMT -5
It’s pure arrogance. Dave came in with his chest puffed out, and daring the doubters to check his resume. There is no rhyme or reason ever to not take phone calls for the 2nd pick. I don’t care if the line was permanently broken. You listen to the offers, and make an assessment. To blatantly ignore them, is on a moronic level. Not here to argue that point or the point that TC made. Of course you take the call. You never know what the offer might be. But is it possible that DG just wanted to publicly say, "We got our guy. There was no reason to consider offers that we viewed as not fair market offers. We had heard what teams were offering and decided to go in this direction."? Just his way of saying we love SB and couldn't be more thrilled to add him to our team? That's a possible scenario, no? Maybe … but there was certainly a less dumb way to express this
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Post by Roswell on Jul 17, 2021 8:34:04 GMT -5
Since the Colts trade for #2 picks after picking up the phone * OL Quenton Nelson * OL Braden Smith * DE Kemoko Turay * RB Jordan Wilkins * CB Rock Ya-Sin Records 28-20 Colts. 15-33 Giants 2021 Cap Room Colts $14.2 Giants $2.4 million 2022 Current Cap Room Colts $83 million 37 players including high priced QB Giants $2.7 million 47 players including QB rookie contract Yes. These are the facts. In a vacuum.
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Post by Roswell on Jul 17, 2021 8:39:25 GMT -5
Not here to argue that point or the point that TC made. Of course you take the call. You never know what the offer might be. But is it possible that DG just wanted to publicly say, "We got our guy. There was no reason to consider offers that we viewed as not fair market offers. We had heard what teams were offering and decided to go in this direction."? Just his way of saying we love SB and couldn't be more thrilled to add him to our team? That's a possible scenario, no? Maybe … but there was certainly a less dumb way to express this Agreed. But I think that scenario was more Gettleman being Gettleman and just throwing that line out there. I'm sure if there was a knock your socks off offer he would've taken it. I just think he was stating, "This is how much we love the guy."
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 17, 2021 8:42:33 GMT -5
It’s pure arrogance. Dave came in with his chest puffed out, and daring the doubters to check his resume. There is no rhyme or reason ever to not take phone calls for the 2nd pick. I don’t care if the line was permanently broken. You listen to the offers, and make an assessment. To blatantly ignore them, is on a moronic level. Not here to argue that point or the point that TC made. Of course you take the call. You never know what the offer might be. But is it possible that DG just wanted to publicly say, "We got our guy. There was no reason to consider offers that we viewed as not fair market offers. We had heard what teams were offering and decided to go in this direction."? Just his way of saying we love SB and couldn't be more thrilled to add him to our team? That's a possible scenario, no? You and I both know you take those calls. They aren’t telemarketers on the other line selling My Pillow. They’re, NFL executives willing to make a deal. We will never know what offers we’re on the table, and I’m sure it wasn’t a bag of donuts and pretzels as Dave alluded too. That draft was quarterback heavy, and teams who were desperate for them would have moved mountains to obtain them. We were in a prime position, 2nd overall pick with the likelihood of drafting a quarterback. We could have made teams sweat a bit before they panic and give us anything we want. Instead, blustering Dave took the lines off the hook and transformed into a teenage girl with her first crush for Barkley. He made it abundantly clear how enamored he was with him. Before he even met with his newly drafted player, he labeled him “touched by the hand of God.” No matter how you analyze it, dissect it, and look back at it. He made a piss poor decision, that can only be explained by with his cocky attitude. Let’s be real, most owners not named John Mara would deem that a fireable offense.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 8:51:33 GMT -5
Maybe … but there was certainly a less dumb way to express this Agreed. But I think that scenario was more Gettleman being Gettleman and just throwing that line out there. I'm sure if there was a knock your socks off offer he would've taken it. I just think he was stating, "This is how much we love the guy." He had a "more" than fair offer...a "very" reasonable return....and then shut down the phone, now not able to see if Denver (speculation but probable) could possibly even expand on the bid...horrible GM tactics. This was not the obvious Trevor Lawrence...it was a running back, albeit talented, but yet...a positional value not worth the 2 pick.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jul 17, 2021 9:15:20 GMT -5
Since the Colts trade for #2 picks after picking up the phone * OL Quenton Nelson * OL Braden Smith * DE Kemoko Turay * RB Jordan Wilkins * CB Rock Ya-Sin Records 28-20 Colts. 15-33 Giants 2021 Cap Room Colts $14.2 Giants $2.4 million 2022 Current Cap Room Colts $83 million 37 players including high priced QB Giants $2.7 million 47 players including QB rookie contract Yes. These are the facts. In a vacuum. The whole NFL is vacuum. Yes, that’s a fact. The Giants could have had the players above surrounding Eli.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jul 17, 2021 9:22:08 GMT -5
Maybe … but there was certainly a less dumb way to express this Agreed. But I think that scenario was more Gettleman being Gettleman and just throwing that line out there. I'm sure if there was a knock your socks off offer he would've taken it. I just think he was stating, "This is how much we love the guy." Subjective theories take a back seat to objective evidence.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 17, 2021 9:32:32 GMT -5
Barkely at his best can help Jones a ton one DC said that he has 3 to 4 players assigned to him on weekly bases when healthy, Jones first game against the steelers and how it all got shut down once SQB went down. As the old saying goes can't help the club from the tub, Barkely isn't the run of mill RB but if he can't stay healthy he is less. Not a smart move I hope for him to stay healthy he's a good kid by all accounts and with average OL play he can make 1800 to 2000 yards a regular thing. Health for me is the main reason RBs are not wise investments. Then again look at Nick Chubb he destroyed his knee early in his college career he seems to be chugging along just fine heres to health. Oh, I have no doubt SB will play again, and play well...and what he does to opposing teams defenses and their DC having to safety up is exactly what a Jones needs for his passing game. How long before he gets dinged or knocked out of another season or part of?...that's the unknown. In all honesty, I have more faith in Barkley becoming the player we seen before his injury vs the offensive line becoming dominant ....sometimes, despite all the coaching, a talent has a limit in how well they can actually become. For instance, I see Hernandez and I wonder if losing the pounds to be more agile (zone) will create less of an anchor and his ability to move/drive large men. Some of the OL you can project a bit more, as the talent is there...or length and quick feet...might need to simply get stronger such as Shane Lemieux and Peart, or improve some technique....the bend of Peart, the hands and feet of Thomas and Shane Lemieux with the anchor. Much easier for one running back to get back to being dominant off an injury, even a horrific ACL vs 4 or 5 individual blockers ...and then having that unit gel. 100 % I think thats where I'm at there is more to talk about and many more interesting talking points then SQB at this point those are all excellent points and things that don't even cross the casual fans minds. The reason is what matter s most.
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 17, 2021 9:43:36 GMT -5
Since the Colts trade for #2 picks after picking up the phone * OL Quenton Nelson * OL Braden Smith * DE Kemoko Turay * RB Jordan Wilkins * CB Rock Ya-Sin Records 28-20 Colts. 15-33 Giants 2021 Cap Room Colts $14.2 Giants $2.4 million 2022 Current Cap Room Colts $83 million 37 players including high priced QB Giants $2.7 million 47 players including QB rookie contract Read' em and weep.. The Colts had a plan, for the present and future. Nelson fell into their laps, a generational talent at guard. And they followed that up with Darius Leonard, an all pro linebacker. I would trade Dave Gettleman for Chris Ballard today if I could, and throw in those four computer folks..
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Post by Roswell on Jul 17, 2021 10:05:59 GMT -5
Not here to argue that point or the point that TC made. Of course you take the call. You never know what the offer might be. But is it possible that DG just wanted to publicly say, "We got our guy. There was no reason to consider offers that we viewed as not fair market offers. We had heard what teams were offering and decided to go in this direction."? Just his way of saying we love SB and couldn't be more thrilled to add him to our team? That's a possible scenario, no? You and I both know you take those calls. They aren’t telemarketers on the other line selling My Pillow. They’re, NFL executives willing to make a deal. We will never know what offers we’re on the table, and I’m sure it wasn’t a bag of donuts and pretzels as Dave alluded too. That draft was quarterback heavy, and teams who were desperate for them would have moved mountains to obtain them. We were in a prime position, 2nd overall pick with the likelihood of drafting a quarterback. We could have made teams sweat a bit before they panic and give us anything we want. Instead, blustering Dave took the lines off the hook and transformed into a teenage girl with her first crush for Barkley. He made it abundantly clear how enamored he was with him. Before he even met with his newly drafted player, he labeled him “touched by the hand of God.” No matter how you analyze it, dissect it, and look back at it. He made a piss poor decision, that can only be explained by with his cocky attitude. Let’s be real, most owners not named John Mara would deem that a fireable offense. If that’s what actually happened.
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Post by Roswell on Jul 17, 2021 10:07:02 GMT -5
Agreed. But I think that scenario was more Gettleman being Gettleman and just throwing that line out there. I'm sure if there was a knock your socks off offer he would've taken it. I just think he was stating, "This is how much we love the guy." He had a "more" than fair offer...a "very" reasonable return....and then shut down the phone, now not able to see if Denver (speculation but probable) could possibly even expand on the bid...horrible GM tactics. This was not the obvious Trevor Lawrence...it was a running back, albeit talented, but yet...a positional value not worth the 2 pick. What was the offer?
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Post by Roswell on Jul 17, 2021 10:09:01 GMT -5
Yes. These are the facts. In a vacuum. The whole NFL is vacuum. Yes, that’s a fact. The Giants could have had the players above surrounding Eli. A lot of teams could’ve drafted 4 of those 5 players and chose to take others players. Some of those teams have been better than 28-20. It is what it is. Truth is the owners and management felt Eli still had one more run in him. They were wrong and the rest is history. But if you think that the only person to blame for that is the GM I got a bridge to sell…
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Post by Rangers13 on Jul 17, 2021 10:27:43 GMT -5
The whole NFL is vacuum. Yes, that’s a fact. The Giants could have had the players above surrounding Eli. A lot of teams could’ve drafted 4 of those 5 players and chose to take others players. Some of those teams have been better than 28-20. It is what it is. Truth is the owners and management felt Eli still had one more run in him. They were wrong and the rest is history. But if you think that the only person to blame for that is the GM I got a bridge to sell… i get you want to continually justify that draft yet wish others who opposed it would move on. It certainly is a self serving position as you dismiss the residual effect since that draft as if others are thinking in a vacuum. Dismiss history and beyond in hopes somebody will buy your bridge? Not happening so long as this team keeps losing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 11:02:56 GMT -5
He had a "more" than fair offer...a "very" reasonable return....and then shut down the phone, now not able to see if Denver (speculation but probable) could possibly even expand on the bid...horrible GM tactics. This was not the obvious Trevor Lawrence...it was a running back, albeit talented, but yet...a positional value not worth the 2 pick. What was the offer? A very reasonable offer
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 11:06:34 GMT -5
The whole NFL is vacuum. Yes, that’s a fact. The Giants could have had the players above surrounding Eli. A lot of teams could’ve drafted 4 of those 5 players and chose to take others players. Some of those teams have been better than 28-20. It is what it is. Truth is the owners and management felt Eli still had one more run in him. They were wrong and the rest is history. But if you think that the only person to blame for that is the GM I got a bridge to sell… Mara felt Barkley was touched by God?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 11:15:26 GMT -5
Oh, I have no doubt SB will play again, and play well...and what he does to opposing teams defenses and their DC having to safety up is exactly what a Jones needs for his passing game. How long before he gets dinged or knocked out of another season or part of?...that's the unknown. In all honesty, I have more faith in Barkley becoming the player we seen before his injury vs the offensive line becoming dominant ....sometimes, despite all the coaching, a talent has a limit in how well they can actually become. For instance, I see Hernandez and I wonder if losing the pounds to be more agile (zone) will create less of an anchor and his ability to move/drive large men. Some of the OL you can project a bit more, as the talent is there...or length and quick feet...might need to simply get stronger such as Shane Lemieux and Peart, or improve some technique....the bend of Peart, the hands and feet of Thomas and Shane Lemieux with the anchor. Much easier for one running back to get back to being dominant off an injury, even a horrific ACL vs 4 or 5 individual blockers ...and then having that unit gel. 100 % I think thats where I'm at there is more to talk about and many more interesting talking points then SQB at this point those are all excellent points and things that don't even cross the casual fans minds. The reason is what matter s most. ESPN Analytics has our offensive line 32nd going into the season..just putting that out there I wish I was as optimistic about the OL as others.....wishful thinking is suggesting they all gel, and control the LOS most games
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Post by Roswell on Jul 17, 2021 11:20:11 GMT -5
A lot of teams could’ve drafted 4 of those 5 players and chose to take others players. Some of those teams have been better than 28-20. It is what it is. Truth is the owners and management felt Eli still had one more run in him. They were wrong and the rest is history. But if you think that the only person to blame for that is the GM I got a bridge to sell… i get you want to continually justify that draft yet wish others who opposed it would move on. It certainly is a self serving position as you dismiss the residual effect since that draft as if others are thinking in a vacuum. Dismiss history and beyond in hopes somebody will buy your bridge? Not happening so long as this team keeps losing. I don’t think Gettleman did a good job his first year. I think he did a very good job every year since. He had a horrible team to start with, both he and the owners wanted to go with Eli which was a horrible decision and they wasted a year of the rebuild. Since then, I have no complaints. There’s a new QB and with that usually comes a couple of years of losing. The GM’s fate is tied to Jones. This year both guys’ jobs are on the line. But their D is deep, they now have weapons and they’re in a great position with draft picks. Maybe this is the year everyone stops bringing up the Barkley pick.
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 17, 2021 11:23:27 GMT -5
100 % I think thats where I'm at there is more to talk about and many more interesting talking points then SQB at this point those are all excellent points and things that don't even cross the casual fans minds. The reason is what matter s most. ESPN Analytics has our offensive line 32nd going into the season..just putting that out there I wish I was as optimistic about the OL as others.....wishful thinking is suggesting they all gel, and control the LOS most games Our line as a group has 14 years of NFL experience. Our tackles our playing in only their second season. Gates and Hernandez our the elder statesmen, and Lemieux is in his second year. A lot of inexperience and question marks on that group. The Giants bet the house on the line putting it all together. Too risky of a gamble when the season can make or break by the hands of them.
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Post by Roswell on Jul 17, 2021 11:28:53 GMT -5
A lot of teams could’ve drafted 4 of those 5 players and chose to take others players. Some of those teams have been better than 28-20. It is what it is. Truth is the owners and management felt Eli still had one more run in him. They were wrong and the rest is history. But if you think that the only person to blame for that is the GM I got a bridge to sell… Mara felt Barkley was touched by God? Right after God touched Aris, he touched Barkley. It is written…. …And he reached out with sovereign hand, and Aris was created. Then he feasted on pulled pork and became the deliverer of Barkley. The sun shone and then there was 22 days of rain. Barkley then went on to be 1 of only 3 NFL players in history to gain over 2000 yards from scrimmage in his first season, scoring 15 TDS and winning the offensive Rookie Of The Year Award. Get over it guys. It’s not like they drafted Trent Richardson.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 12:00:44 GMT -5
Mara felt Barkley was touched by God? Right after God touched Aris, he touched Barkley. It is written…. …And he reached out with sovereign hand, and Aris was created. Then he feasted on pulled pork and became the deliverer of Barkley. The sun shone and then there was 22 days of rain. Barkley then went on to be 1 of only 3 NFL players in history to gain over 2000 yards from scrimmage in his first season, scoring 15 TDS and winning the offensive Rookie Of The Year Award. Get over it guys. It’s not like they drafted Trent Richardson. You play fantasy football?
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