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Post by Roswell on Jul 17, 2021 12:05:59 GMT -5
Right after God touched Aris, he touched Barkley. It is written…. …And he reached out with sovereign hand, and Aris was created. Then he feasted on pulled pork and became the deliverer of Barkley. The sun shone and then there was 22 days of rain. Barkley then went on to be 1 of only 3 NFL players in history to gain over 2000 yards from scrimmage in his first season, scoring 15 TDS and winning the offensive Rookie Of The Year Award. Get over it guys. It’s not like they drafted Trent Richardson. You play fantasy football? Never. I don’t even know how it works. God’s honest truth. I just watch the games.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 12:06:57 GMT -5
ESPN Analytics has our offensive line 32nd going into the season..just putting that out there I wish I was as optimistic about the OL as others.....wishful thinking is suggesting they all gel, and control the LOS most games Our line as a group has 14 years of NFL experience. Our tackles our playing in only their second season. Gates and Hernandez our the elder statesmen, and Lemieux is in his second year. A lot of inexperience and question marks on that group. The Giants bet the house on the line putting it all together. Too risky of a gamble when the season can make or break by the hands of them. Agreed 100%....the ramifications of that line continuing to block shadows is immense...this team goes through major overhaul, from gone GM to a rookie QB for the now on the hot seat HC....it gets ugly again for years as we kick start the search for the franchise QB. I'm usually excited to start the season...must confess I am a little nervous due to knowing we have no other option but to win.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 12:13:00 GMT -5
You play fantasy football? Never. I don’t even know how it works. I just watch the games. Think QB...and those stats. They equal NY Giant wins. Once we get the QB right, we win again. So says Aris, son of God
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 17, 2021 12:17:16 GMT -5
Our line as a group has 14 years of NFL experience. Our tackles our playing in only their second season. Gates and Hernandez our the elder statesmen, and Lemieux is in his second year. A lot of inexperience and question marks on that group. The Giants bet the house on the line putting it all together. Too risky of a gamble when the season can make or break by the hands of them. Agreed 100%....the ramifications of that line continuing to block shadows is immense...this team goes through major overhaul, from gone GM to a rookie QB for the now on the hot seat HC....it gets ugly again for years as we kick start the search for the franchise QB. I'm usually excited to start the season...must confess I am a little nervous due to knowing we have no other option but to win. Never heard of optimism. Sounds like an aftershave.
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Post by Roswell on Jul 17, 2021 12:17:22 GMT -5
Never. I don’t even know how it works. I just watch the games. Think QB...and those stats. They equal NY Giant wins. Once we get the QB right, we win again. So says Aris, son of God I agree, Aris, S.O.G. My sons do the fantasy football thing. I find it takes time away from my prostitute and crack addictions.
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 17, 2021 13:02:27 GMT -5
Mara felt Barkley was touched by God? Right after God touched Aris, he touched Barkley. It is written…. …And he reached out with sovereign hand, and Aris was created. Then he feasted on pulled pork and became the deliverer of Barkley. The sun shone and then there was 22 days of rain. Barkley then went on to be 1 of only 3 NFL players in history to gain over 2000 yards from scrimmage in his first season, scoring 15 TDS and winning the offensive Rookie Of The Year Award. Get over it guys. It’s not like they drafted Trent Richardson. As is true with many NFL RB's.....their first year is often their best. They usually maintain peak effectiveness for 5 years or less.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 13:59:16 GMT -5
Think QB...and those stats. They equal NY Giant wins. Once we get the QB right, we win again. So says Aris, son of God I agree, Aris, S.O.G. My sons do the fantasy football thing. I find it takes time away from my prostitute and crack addictions. Hahaha...tell them to take the Barkley posters off the wall, unless it's leg day.
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Post by McCherry on Jul 17, 2021 14:18:14 GMT -5
100 % I think thats where I'm at there is more to talk about and many more interesting talking points then SQB at this point those are all excellent points and things that don't even cross the casual fans minds. The reason is what matter s most. ESPN Analytics has our offensive line 32nd going into the season..just putting that out there I wish I was as optimistic about the OL as others.....wishful thinking is suggesting they all gel, and control the LOS most games Question, do you think Joe Judge is stupid? And do you think you're in a better position to evaluate offensive linemen than he is?
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 17, 2021 15:03:50 GMT -5
ESPN Analytics has our offensive line 32nd going into the season..just putting that out there I wish I was as optimistic about the OL as others.....wishful thinking is suggesting they all gel, and control the LOS most games Question, do you think Joe Judge is stupid? And do you think you're in a better position to evaluate offensive linemen than he is? I think that after last season, it’s fair to have doubts about the OL. I’m sort of in the “I’ll believe it when I see it” mode (I’m in the same mode with Judge). Very cautious optimism …. makes it sting a little less if things go wrong.
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 17, 2021 15:16:18 GMT -5
Maybe this is the year everyone stops bringing up the Barkley pick. Roswell are you new around here?
People on the old boards complained about the Eli Manning trade even AFTER his first Super Bowl MVP. It literally took Eli Manning winning two Super Bowls and being the MVP both times for people to finally stop complaining about that trade. I guarantee you that no matter what Barkley accomplishes this season people will still say it was the wrong move/bad pick ect.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 15:16:48 GMT -5
ESPN Analytics has our offensive line 32nd going into the season..just putting that out there I wish I was as optimistic about the OL as others.....wishful thinking is suggesting they all gel, and control the LOS most games Question, do you think Joe Judge is stupid? And do you think you're in a better position to evaluate offensive linemen than he is? Question, do you believe Joe Judge works with what he is provided? And do you think you're in a better position to evaluate offensive linemen than other posters? ESPN analytics 32nd PFF 31st
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 15:20:37 GMT -5
Maybe this is the year everyone stops bringing up the Barkley pick. Roswell are you new around here?
People on the old boards complained about the Eli Manning trade even AFTER his first Super Bowl MVP. It literally took Eli Manning winning two Super Bowls and being the MVP both times for people to finally stop complaining about that trade. I guarantee you that no matter what Barkley accomplishes this season people will still say it was the wrong move/bad pick ect.
Roswell probably does not know you are the poster that....constantly brings up the Barkley pick. However, it's a positive running back at 2 pick...thus somehow that lessons those facts
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 17, 2021 15:22:36 GMT -5
Question, do you think Joe Judge is stupid? And do you think you're in a better position to evaluate offensive linemen than he is? I think that after last season, it’s fair to have doubts about the OL. I’m sort of in the “I’ll believe it when I see it” mode (I’m in the same mode with Judge). Very cautious optimism …. makes it sting a little less if things go wrong. I think it is fair to have doubts too. I think it is fair to feel optimistic as well. Sure our OL was poor last year. There was a lot that went into that. No offseason, no preseason, new offense being installed, #1 RB goes down, WRs injured and garbage, OL coach getting fired, 3 rookies playing significant time, covid taking out one guy, a Center that never player center before.. We can ignore all that though and I still think it's fair to say there was certainly improvement as the year went on. Andrew Thomas week 1 vs week 10 was a world of difference.
With all that said there was a 6 week stretch, after our first four "preseason" games, were the offense looked good and scored 24ppg. Then Jones got hurt and we went down to 13ppg to finish the season. Plenty of reasons to have doubts, but plenty of reasons to be positive. Just depends how people look at things.
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Post by snyder55 on Jul 17, 2021 15:26:20 GMT -5
100 % I think thats where I'm at there is more to talk about and many more interesting talking points then SQB at this point those are all excellent points and things that don't even cross the casual fans minds. The reason is what matter s most. ESPN Analytics has our offensive line 32nd going into the season..just putting that out there I wish I was as optimistic about the OL as others.....wishful thinking is suggesting they all gel, and control the LOS most games at this point nobody really knows how good or bad our OLine is but every body knows how much credibility ESPN has lost in the last few years...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 15:29:48 GMT -5
ESPN Analytics has our offensive line 32nd going into the season..just putting that out there I wish I was as optimistic about the OL as others.....wishful thinking is suggesting they all gel, and control the LOS most games at this point nobody really knows how good or bad our OLine is but every body knows how much credibility ESPN has lost in the last few years... Hate ESPN....and yeah, they badmouthed our kid...but it's a possibility our kid might not be as well thought out among equals of the Judge. ESPN uses a system to evaluate the OL... www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/31817568/projecting-nfl-best-worst-pass-protecting-offensive-lines-ranking-pass-block-win-rates-2021
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 17, 2021 15:31:44 GMT -5
Roswell probably does not know you are the poster that.... constantly brings up the Barkley pick. However, it's a positive running back at 2 pick...thus somehow that lessons those facts Like usual when you post you're wrong....yet again. I didn't bring Barkley up in this thread first. I responded to other people when they brought him up. I come here to discuss football with people that have different opinions, so when they post something I don't agree with I respond.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 15:49:35 GMT -5
Roswell probably does not know you are the poster that.... constantly brings up the Barkley pick. However, it's a positive running back at 2 pick...thus somehow that lessons those facts Like usual when you post you're wrong....yet again. I didn't bring Barkley up in this thread first. I responded to other people when they brought him up. I come here to discuss football with people that have different opinions, so when they post something I don't agree with I respond. Hey it's okay Mikey...you want to be right in something and need to be right in something...if you want to defend a running back at 2 pick 10 times a year more power to you. It was the wrong pick, always will be, and you can believe as you want...we just hope he provides enough jump cut this coming off injured year to protect your you knew Jones was the guy QB. I hope you are correct....makes it easier for you to get through life, and helps the Giants.
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 17, 2021 16:24:31 GMT -5
Hey it's okay Mikey...you want to be right in something and need to be right in something...if you want to defend a running back at 2 pick 10 times a year more power to you. It was the wrong pick, always will be, and you can believe as you want...we just hope he provides enough jump cut this coming off injured year to protect your you knew Jones was the guy QB. I hope you are correct....makes it easier for you to get through life, and helps the Giants. I give you credit, that's a nice pivot. Too bad you were wrong and had to pivot away from you statement. I didn't bring Barkley up, I responded to a post. You were wrong. Like usual when you're wrong you then change subjects and start talking about something else. Your technique for being wrong is impressive.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 16:41:46 GMT -5
Hey it's okay Mikey...you want to be right in something and need to be right in something...if you want to defend a running back at 2 pick 10 times a year more power to you. It was the wrong pick, always will be, and you can believe as you want...we just hope he provides enough jump cut this coming off injured year to protect your you knew Jones was the guy QB. I hope you are correct....makes it easier for you to get through life, and helps the Giants. I give you credit, that's a nice pivot. Too bad you were wrong and had to pivot away from you statement. I didn't bring Barkley up, I responded to a post. You were wrong. Like usual when you're wrong you then change subjects and start talking about something else. Your technique for being wrong is impressive.
Thanks, Solder had that pivot as well...the pivot that allowed QB pressures...more than even the horrible Flowers How bad was Solder?...Flowers bad?...worse than even that? But hey...Nate's the only OT out there, so let's give him more money than any other tackle in history...wait, Gettleman knows more about evaluating free agent tackles than I do, thus probably not a good idea I offer an opinion on Solder's technique and how they worked around it in NE.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 17, 2021 17:17:31 GMT -5
100 % I think thats where I'm at there is more to talk about and many more interesting talking points then SQB at this point those are all excellent points and things that don't even cross the casual fans minds. The reason is what matter s most. ESPN Analytics has our offensive line 32nd going into the season..just putting that out there I wish I was as optimistic about the OL as others.....wishful thinking is suggesting they all gel, and control the LOS most games I think they know about as much we do this OL is young and really a big unknown it can go great it could be middle of pack or suck No one knows. The head coach who coached them last year must have believed because you can be sure he would be slamming the Table for OL this past draft. At this point all we know is it seems by all reports they are working hard on and off the field to build the chemistry and skill sets to win. We will see.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 17:33:16 GMT -5
ESPN Analytics has our offensive line 32nd going into the season..just putting that out there I wish I was as optimistic about the OL as others.....wishful thinking is suggesting they all gel, and control the LOS most games I think they know about as much we do this OL is young and really a big unknown it can go great it could be middle of pack or suck No one knows. The head coach who coached them last year must have believed because you can be sure he would be slamming the Table for OL this past draft. At this point all we know is it seems by all reports they are working hard on and off the field to build the chemistry and skill sets to win. We will see. Eh, sort of disagree here. We were in no way avoiding OL because we were "set" in the area...just the way the board played out.
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Post by McCherry on Jul 17, 2021 17:44:27 GMT -5
Question, do you think Joe Judge is stupid? And do you think you're in a better position to evaluate offensive linemen than he is? Question, do you believe Joe Judge works with what he is provided? And do you think you're in a better position to evaluate offensive linemen than other posters? ESPN analytics 32nd PFF 31st ESPN analytics... Well, who could possibly question that? The Giants spent over $200M on 14 free agents and drafted 6 players. If Joe Judge wanted an upgrade over Lemiuex, Hernadez or Peart, he'd have it. And no, clearly I am not in a position to evaluate OL better than any other fan, but the coaches sure are. Which was my point.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 18:13:19 GMT -5
Question, do you believe Joe Judge works with what he is provided? And do you think you're in a better position to evaluate offensive linemen than other posters? ESPN analytics 32nd PFF 31st ESPN analytics... Well, who could possibly question that? The Giants spent over $200M on 14 free agents and drafted 6 players. If Joe Judge wanted an upgrade over Lemiuex, Hernadez or Peart, he'd have it. And no, clearly I am not in a position to evaluate OL better than any other fan, but the coaches sure are. Which was my point. Your points are useless...due to your style and MO, they usually are Firstly, stop using analytics to dissolve a player, while using the same analytics to prop up your "guy"? Secondly, who gives a crap what Carl Banks, David Diehl, Judge, Shaun O'Hara and any other guy who offers you "expert" advice, when I can bring as many "experts" suggesting the exact opposite. Certainly dropping names is not making your stick bigger....especially with an offensive line ranked dead last on the analytic sites you would be using as hard evidence if they had the Giants top 10 OL. Third...watch film and learn some technical aspects of the game...x and o...play design, and then offer some of your own opinion, vs being the distributor of name drops and reading beat writers. You don't have to be the fan that never padded up if you can at least understand the basic concepts. 14-0 vs 14-0 Championship Tiger Bowl...Burrow vs Lawrence, now on replay. Forgot how tight Clemson played them for a while....before the Boom Boom...Burrow to Chase was special Enjoy
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Post by McCherry on Jul 17, 2021 19:11:42 GMT -5
ESPN analytics... Well, who could possibly question that? The Giants spent over $200M on 14 free agents and drafted 6 players. If Joe Judge wanted an upgrade over Lemiuex, Hernadez or Peart, he'd have it. And no, clearly I am not in a position to evaluate OL better than any other fan, but the coaches sure are. Which was my point. Your points are useless...due to your style and MO, they usually are Firstly, stop using analytics to dissolve a player, while using the same analytics to prop up your "guy"? Secondly, who gives a crap what Carl Banks, David Diehl, Judge, Shaun O'Hara and any other guy who offers you "expert" advice, when I can bring as many "experts" suggesting the exact opposite. Certainly dropping names is not making your stick bigger....especially with an offensive line ranked dead last on the analytic sites you would be using as hard evidence if they had the Giants top 10 OL. Third...watch film and learn some technical aspects of the game...x and o...play design, and then offer some of your own opinion, vs being the distributor of name drops and reading beat writers. You don't have to be the fan that never padded up if you can at least understand the basic concepts. 14-0 vs 14-0 Championship Tiger Bowl...Burrow vs Lawrence, now on replay. Forgot how tight Clemson played them for a while....before the Boom Boom...Burrow to Chase was special Enjoy Go ahead. Name some ex football players, coaches, or any experts who have said that the players on our offensive line are just no good. I'm talking about qualified experts, not sports writers referencing analytics.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jul 17, 2021 19:15:34 GMT -5
Your points are useless...due to your style and MO, they usually are Firstly, stop using analytics to dissolve a player, while using the same analytics to prop up your "guy"? Secondly, who gives a crap what Carl Banks, David Diehl, Judge, Shaun O'Hara and any other guy who offers you "expert" advice, when I can bring as many "experts" suggesting the exact opposite. Certainly dropping names is not making your stick bigger....especially with an offensive line ranked dead last on the analytic sites you would be using as hard evidence if they had the Giants top 10 OL. Third...watch film and learn some technical aspects of the game...x and o...play design, and then offer some of your own opinion, vs being the distributor of name drops and reading beat writers. You don't have to be the fan that never padded up if you can at least understand the basic concepts. 14-0 vs 14-0 Championship Tiger Bowl...Burrow vs Lawrence, now on replay. Forgot how tight Clemson played them for a while....before the Boom Boom...Burrow to Chase was special Enjoy Go ahead. Name some ex football players, coaches, or any experts who have said that the players on our offensive line are just no good. I'm talking about qualified experts, not sports writers referencing analytics. Qualified experts lol, oh please, one moment you post that beat writer Jordan knows more about football than anybody and then pull a 180. Ray Lewis said ex-fball players are terrible evaluators and Carl Banks takes on fball are as awkward and inaccurate as his basketball takes.
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Post by McCherry on Jul 17, 2021 19:30:01 GMT -5
ESPN Analytics has our offensive line 32nd going into the season..just putting that out there I wish I was as optimistic about the OL as others.....wishful thinking is suggesting they all gel, and control the LOS most games I think they know about as much we do this OL is young and really a big unknown it can go great it could be middle of pack or suck No one knows. The head coach who coached them last year must have believed because you can be sure he would be slamming the Table for OL this past draft. At this point all we know is it seems by all reports they are working hard on and off the field to build the chemistry and skill sets to win. We will see. They had opportunities all offseason, before, after and during the draft, to change the OL if they wanted. Hard to believe they valued a 4th CB and tweener DL/LB over players like Wyatt Davis who could've pushed the starters on the OL if they thought we had holes.
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 17, 2021 19:40:13 GMT -5
I think they know about as much we do this OL is young and really a big unknown it can go great it could be middle of pack or suck No one knows. The head coach who coached them last year must have believed because you can be sure he would be slamming the Table for OL this past draft. At this point all we know is it seems by all reports they are working hard on and off the field to build the chemistry and skill sets to win. We will see. They had opportunities all offseason, before, after and during the draft, to change the OL if they wanted. Hard to believe they valued a 4th CB and tweener DL/LB over players like Wyatt Davis who could've pushed the starters on the OL if they thought we had holes. So are you saying that we were drafting for need and not BPA?
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Post by McCherry on Jul 17, 2021 19:47:28 GMT -5
They had opportunities all offseason, before, after and during the draft, to change the OL if they wanted. Hard to believe they valued a 4th CB and tweener DL/LB over players like Wyatt Davis who could've pushed the starters on the OL if they thought we had holes. So are you saying that we were drafting for need and not BPA? Not at all, I like Robinson. It's hard to dissect what their thinking was, but I would bet the Giants must've valued him more than an OL. Davis just like he could’ve been more valuable. But that decision must also indicate a level of comfort with the current OL.
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 17, 2021 20:36:49 GMT -5
Question, do you believe Joe Judge works with what he is provided? And do you think you're in a better position to evaluate offensive linemen than other posters? ESPN analytics 32nd PFF 31st ESPN analytics... Well, who could possibly question that? The Giants spent over $200M on 14 free agents and drafted 6 players. If Joe Judge wanted an upgrade over Lemiuex, Hernadez or Peart, he'd have it. And no, clearly I am not in a position to evaluate OL better than any other fan, but the coaches sure are. Which was my point. I would put our O line somewhere in the middle of the pack.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 17, 2021 23:08:04 GMT -5
I think they know about as much we do this OL is young and really a big unknown it can go great it could be middle of pack or suck No one knows. The head coach who coached them last year must have believed because you can be sure he would be slamming the Table for OL this past draft. At this point all we know is it seems by all reports they are working hard on and off the field to build the chemistry and skill sets to win. We will see. Eh, sort of disagree here. We were in no way avoiding OL because we were "set" in the area...just the way the board played out. I believe that and Gettlemen did say that was the case guys they had targeted were off when their turn came and others had more value. I'm not saying they are set but they drafted these kids for a reason there has to be some belief in them even if it is only from the inside. I agree there is no evidence they can be great good or bad. All we have is the final 8 games where they ran the ball decent, for once it was because they opened holes not some crazy SQB runs, running through half the defense after juking stiff arming and running through tackles for big yards Gallmen had legit room, they had moments of solid pass pro. It is one of the big unknowns for this coming year for sure. This is a big one you can see the attention is there with Sale Kitchens Flats and Wilkerson all working on this project along with the players seeming to do their part on and off the field. praying it pays off lol it has to continuity is there and the coaching is there glass half full lol.
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