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Post by McCherry on Jul 17, 2021 11:09:48 GMT -5
What numbers are you looking at? There's no comparison at all. And Randle had Eli throwing to him. Randle's first 2 years: 60 recepts, 909 yds, 9 TD's. Slayton first 2 years: 98 recepts, 1491 yds. 11 TD's. It is a simple calculation. What was the QB completion percentage compared to the reception % of the reciever. Their first 2seasons are almost a mirror . Stop, you could use that metric to say Austin Mack was the best WR on the team last year. Forget all the stats and just use your eyes, Slayton was a better receiver than Randle.
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Post by McCherry on Jul 17, 2021 11:20:05 GMT -5
What numbers are you looking at? There's no comparison at all. And Randle had Eli throwing to him. Randle's first 2 years: 60 recepts, 909 yds, 9 TD's. Slayton first 2 years: 98 recepts, 1491 yds. 11 TD's. Randle started 4 games his first two years. Slayton, 24. That’s embarrassing how Slayton didn’t blow away Randles numbers. Eli at that time of his career was throwing grenades at his receivers. Jones, is the more accurate quarterback of the two. Eli threw 54 TD's and 7766 yards over Randle's first 2 years. And you think Randle was at a disadvantage with Eli?
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Post by TEM on Jul 17, 2021 11:25:13 GMT -5
It is a simple calculation. What was the QB completion percentage compared to the reception % of the reciever. Their first 2seasons are almost a mirror . Stop, you could use that metric to say Austin Mack was the best WR on the team last year. Forget all the stats and just use your eyes, Slayton was a better receiver than Randle. It shows Mack was running the proper route. Apparently he was in the catch window Jones was throwing to more often than not. Slaton was not consistently. These numbers do not lie in that aspect. Slaton does not have a high drop count as EE. The only other conclusion that can be made. Jones is throwing to a spot (catch window) and Slayton is outside the window. A sign his route running is sloppy. It seems this is forgotten .Passing and catching are nothing more than timing . When one reciever is out of sync with the rest of the receiver group(Slayton's numbers say he was). That is on the reciever. Nothing else.
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 17, 2021 11:28:52 GMT -5
Randle started 4 games his first two years. Slayton, 24. That’s embarrassing how Slayton didn’t blow away Randles numbers. Eli at that time of his career was throwing grenades at his receivers. Jones, is the more accurate quarterback of the two. Eli threw 54 TD's and 7766 yards over Randle's first 2 years. And you think Randle was at a disadvantage with Eli? Eli threw for 44 touchdowns during that period. Are you giving him an extra 10 for his radiant smile? Not the point, Randle was not the primary receiver during that time span. Slayton, for a better word was getting a hell of a lot more targets than Randle ever did his first two years.
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Post by McCherry on Jul 17, 2021 12:03:24 GMT -5
Eli threw 54 TD's and 7766 yards over Randle's first 2 years. And you think Randle was at a disadvantage with Eli? Eli threw for 44 touchdowns during that period. Are you giving him an extra 10 for his radiant smile? Not the point, Randle was not the primary receiver during that time span. Slayton, for a better word was getting a hell of a lot more targets than Randle ever did his first two years. And has produced a hell of a lot more. Why do you think Randle didn't get many starts time and was out of football in 4 years?
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Post by TEM on Jul 17, 2021 12:11:29 GMT -5
Eli threw for 44 touchdowns during that period. Are you giving him an extra 10 for his radiant smile? Not the point, Randle was not the primary receiver during that time span. Slayton, for a better word was getting a hell of a lot more targets than Randle ever did his first two years. And has produced a hell of a lot more. Why do you think Randle didn't get many starts time and was out of football in 4 years? Because he was a poor route runner. As the data suggests Slayton is. IMO. Toney is going to wake Giant fans up to how average Slayton is.
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 17, 2021 12:15:51 GMT -5
Eli threw for 44 touchdowns during that period. Are you giving him an extra 10 for his radiant smile? Not the point, Randle was not the primary receiver during that time span. Slayton, for a better word was getting a hell of a lot more targets than Randle ever did his first two years. And has produced a hell of a lot more. Why do you think Randle didn't get many starts time and was out of football in 4 years? Could it be that Hakeem Nicks and Victor Cruz had anything to do with it? Slayton had over the hill Tate and Cody Latimer to compete with. Two players who are out of the league. Again, Slayton is the consolation prize behind the curtain. Right next to the toaster..
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 17, 2021 12:56:19 GMT -5
Eli threw for 44 touchdowns during that period. Are you giving him an extra 10 for his radiant smile? Not the point, Randle was not the primary receiver during that time span. Slayton, for a better word was getting a hell of a lot more targets than Randle ever did his first two years. And has produced a hell of a lot more. Why do you think Randle didn't get many starts time and was out of football in 4 years? Randle also had a degenerative knee situation (remember how he sat out large segments of preseason and was always on the injury list for limited..sore knee his last 2 years ?) His route running was actually decent his first 2 years.. That is why he was out of the league in 4 years
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Post by McCherry on Jul 17, 2021 13:18:04 GMT -5
And has produced a hell of a lot more. Why do you think Randle didn't get many starts time and was out of football in 4 years? Randle also had a degenerative knee situation (remember how he sat out large segments of preseason and was always on the injury list for limited..sore knee his last 2 years ?) His route running was actually decent his first 2 years.. That is why he was out of the league in 4 years That's the impression Randle struggled to create with Giants coaches, with whom he often clashed during his time in New York. Randle was benched for parts of two games in 2014 for being late to meetings, and the coaches grew frustrated with his laid-back demeanor and his struggles to consistently remember and execute his assignments.www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/205256/rueben-randle-says-he-was-judged-wrong-and-read-wrong-with-giants
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 17, 2021 13:37:06 GMT -5
Randle also had a degenerative knee situation (remember how he sat out large segments of preseason and was always on the injury list for limited..sore knee his last 2 years ?) His route running was actually decent his first 2 years.. That is why he was out of the league in 4 years That's the impression Randle struggled to create with Giants coaches, with whom he often clashed during his time in New York. Randle was benched for parts of two games in 2014 for being late to meetings, and the coaches grew frustrated with his laid-back demeanor and his struggles to consistently remember and execute his assignments.www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/205256/rueben-randle-says-he-was-judged-wrong-and-read-wrong-with-giantsThat is around the time his knee was a major problem Indisputable facts that if you search many injury reports from back then you can find
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Post by McCherry on Jul 17, 2021 14:12:46 GMT -5
That is around the time his knee was a major problem Indisputable facts that if you search many injury reports from back then you can find I never read anything about a degenerative knee. He was healthy according to the Eagles. There is plenty about his laziness, adversarial relationship with coaches and poor effort. Why didn’t the NFL want Rueben Randle?At just 24, he seemed to have a long career ahead of him. But then, for reasons we can’t explain … he never played again. Randle also had zero medical red flags, having never missed even a single game in any of his four seasons;
www.sbnation.com/2019/10/10/20905265/dorktown-rueben-randle-new-york-giants-odell-beckham-wide-receivers-nfl-eli-manning
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 17, 2021 14:28:50 GMT -5
That is around the time his knee was a major problem Indisputable facts that if you search many injury reports from back then you can find I never read anything about a degenerative knee. He was healthy according to the Eagles. There is plenty about his laziness, adversarial relationship with coaches and poor effort. Why didn’t the NFL want Rueben Randle?At just 24, he seemed to have a long career ahead of him. But then, for reasons we can’t explain … he never played again. Randle also had zero medical red flags, having never missed even a single game in any of his four seasons;
www.sbnation.com/2019/10/10/20905265/dorktown-rueben-randle-new-york-giants-odell-beckham-wide-receivers-nfl-eli-manning
Then why was he not practicing for large stretches of time his last 2 years and not playing in preseason games due to a sore knee ?
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 17, 2021 15:06:27 GMT -5
I think he is more Rueben Randle than Mario Manningham or Victor Cruz, (2-3) With Hakeem Nicks being #1 I would not place him in your metaphor category. (Sinorice Moss ) I think he is a Number 4 . He is not a big play performer. He proved that last year. He a below average route runner. The definition of a Number 4 or less. ( Ruben Randel). He proved the opposite in his rookie season. He consistently made big plays. Don't let TEM get you down on Slayton. He averaged 15+ yards per catch in each of his first two seasons. He is a big play threat that has to be accounted for.
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Post by piddy283 on Jul 17, 2021 18:26:06 GMT -5
He proved the opposite in his rookie season. He consistently made big plays. He was not that good in his rookie year mediocre at best a 57% overall completion percentage. A 37% completion percentage on passes over 20 yards. and in year 2 52% catch percentage and over 20 yards of 35% Danial Jones had a completion percentage of 61.9 in 19 and a 62.5 in 20 Cruz in his first year 2011 was 62%. 60.1% his second year 2012. Eli had a completion percentage 61% in 2011 and 59.9 in 2012 When has mediocrity all of a sudden become "good" ? 700+ yards and 8TD's for a 5th round rookie WR is pretty good. If the expectations for a 5th round rookie are greater than that, I think the expectations need to be reset.
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Post by TEM on Jul 17, 2021 19:01:03 GMT -5
He was not that good in his rookie year mediocre at best a 57% overall completion percentage. A 37% completion percentage on passes over 20 yards. and in year 2 52% catch percentage and over 20 yards of 35% Danial Jones had a completion percentage of 61.9 in 19 and a 62.5 in 20 Cruz in his first year 2011 was 62%. 60.1% his second year 2012. Eli had a completion percentage 61% in 2011 and 59.9 in 2012 When has mediocrity all of a sudden become "good" ? 700+ yards and 8TD's for a 5th round rookie WR is pretty good. If the expectations for a 5th round rookie are greater than that, I think the expectations need to be reset. I agree the expectations of the entire team need to be reset. From "well we played good the second half." to , we expect a winning season and nothing less.
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Post by piddy283 on Jul 17, 2021 20:35:05 GMT -5
700+ yards and 8TD's for a 5th round rookie WR is pretty good. If the expectations for a 5th round rookie are greater than that, I think the expectations need to be reset. I agree the expectations of the entire team need to be reset. From "well we played good the second half." to , we expect a winning season and nothing less. We're talking about Slayton being a potential breakout weapon this year. What are you talking about?
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Post by TEM on Jul 18, 2021 5:00:56 GMT -5
I agree the expectations of the entire team need to be reset. From "well we played good the second half." to , we expect a winning season and nothing less. We're talking about Slayton being a potential breakout weapon this year. What are you talking about? I am talking about he was part of the problem last year. He did not catch 48% of the balls thrown at him. ( A 6-10 record) To me one the reasons we signed Golladay, Ross and Drafted Toney Where do you see him fitting in? Who are you sitting so he can "breakout"? Shep? Toney? Golladay? One or both TEs, Barkley? Do really think one of those guys should sit? So Darius gets his share of snaps? Lets talk about Shep He had a 73.3% reception In the top 10% in the league in reception percentage. Under contract for this year for 9 million. Do you sit him for Slayton? Lets talk about Golladay just singed a 72 million dollar contract. Do you sit him so Slayton can "breakout" Lets talk about Toney . If he sits Because Slayton is going to have breakout season. It must have been a bad pick .Correct!!!!!!!. That would indicate Toney is not the impact player that was needed . Giants apparently did not see what some of you are predicting with Slayton and F-ed that pick up. So JJ and DG and the scouting department did not see the potential in Slayton right? So who are you sitting? Because he isn't "breaking out" if he's not on the field. Is that not a stipulation for him to be able to do so? And There ain't no number 4 in the league that ever had more than a hand full of targets. Lets summaries this; Let's sit Golladay so Slayton can get targets . So what if the Giants are on the hook for 28 million in dead cap. But hay if Slayton is going to breakout this season . Why not. Lets sit Shepard. Runs the best route and has the best hands on the team. Who needs him on the field when we have 52% Darrius. I forgot he was 57% in his rookie year. Who cares that Shepard was 73% last year 69% the year before. Lets Sit Toney? Who needs a first round Impact player when you have a 5th round comp pick to fill that need. Hell lets sit Barkley and both TEs so Slayton can can get snaps. Lets sit one of those six guys so the 5th round comp pick can have his breakout season. Ya know. Just run 01,10 ,or just plain 00 formations constantly to keep Slayton on the field. How else will he get the snaps he needs? The thought of him being anything but a # 4 is utterly ridiculous taking into account the state this team has been in. Sitting any of those 6 for anything but a breather would be the dumbest thing JG or JJ could do to this team. 4 wide out sets are for 3rd and long. And if we are in too many of them. We are a single digit win team. He had his shot last year. The result is he regressed. As I said the expectations of this entire team need to be reset to a higher level.
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Post by TEM on Jul 18, 2021 11:09:05 GMT -5
Since Eli was drafted 2005 ( Eli's first full time season) Targets to a # 4 receiver per season.
2005 David Tyree 9 Targets 0.56 per game 2006 David Tyree 33 Targets 2.06 per game 2007 Sinorice Moss 37 Targets 2.31 per game 2008 Sinorice Moss 13 Targets 1.23 per game 2009 Domenik Hixon 28 Targets 1.75 per game 2010 Derek Hagan 43 Targets 2.68 per game 2011 Ramses Barden 19 Targets 1.18 per game 2012 Rueben Randle 19 Targets 1.18 per game 2013 Jerrel Jernigan 45 Targets 2.81 per game 2014 Corey Washington 8 Targets 0.5 per game 2015 Myles White 20 Targets 1.25 per game 2016 Roger Lewis 19 Targets 1.18 per game 2017 Entire Receiver group injured OBJ, Shepard, Marshall, King 2018 Russell Shepard 19 Targets 1.18 per game 2019 Cody Latimer 42 Targets 2.62 per game 2020 C.J. Board 16 Targets 1 per game
Average for a number 4 Receiver 25 targets a season 1.54 per game.
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 18, 2021 14:44:29 GMT -5
Since Eli was drafted 2005 ( Eli's first full time season) Targets to a # 4 receiver per season. 2005 David Tyree 9 Targets 0.56 per game 2006 David Tyree 33 Targets 2.06 per game 2007 Sinorice Moss 37 Targets 2.31 per game 2008 Sinorice Moss 13 Targets 1.23 per game 2009 Domenik Hixon 28 Targets 1.75 per game 2010 Derek Hagan 43 Targets 2.68 per game 2011 Ramses Barden 19 Targets 1.18 per game 2012 Rueben Randle 19 Targets 1.18 per game 2013 Jerrel Jernigan 45 Targets 2.81 per game 2014 Corey Washington 8 Targets 0.5 per game 2015 Myles White 20 Targets 1.25 per game 2016 Roger Lewis 19 Targets 1.18 per game 2017 Entire Receiver group injured OBJ, Shepard, Marshall, King 2018 Russell Shepard 19 Targets 1.18 per game 2019 Cody Latimer 42 Targets 2.62 per game 2020 C.J. Board 16 Targets 1 per game Average for a number 4 Receiver 25 targets a season 1.54 per game. A lot of those players have one thing in common. Besides not being very good. They all played special teams. If you can’t crack the top 3 on the depth chart at receiver, you better be able to play specials. Slayton, has yet to show that he can.
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Post by TEM on Jul 18, 2021 14:46:52 GMT -5
Since Eli was drafted 2005 ( Eli's first full time season) Targets to a # 4 receiver per season. 2005 David Tyree 9 Targets 0.56 per game 2006 David Tyree 33 Targets 2.06 per game 2007 Sinorice Moss 37 Targets 2.31 per game 2008 Sinorice Moss 13 Targets 1.23 per game 2009 Domenik Hixon 28 Targets 1.75 per game 2010 Derek Hagan 43 Targets 2.68 per game 2011 Ramses Barden 19 Targets 1.18 per game 2012 Rueben Randle 19 Targets 1.18 per game 2013 Jerrel Jernigan 45 Targets 2.81 per game 2014 Corey Washington 8 Targets 0.5 per game 2015 Myles White 20 Targets 1.25 per game 2016 Roger Lewis 19 Targets 1.18 per game 2017 Entire Receiver group injured OBJ, Shepard, Marshall, King 2018 Russell Shepard 19 Targets 1.18 per game 2019 Cody Latimer 42 Targets 2.62 per game 2020 C.J. Board 16 Targets 1 per game Average for a number 4 Receiver 25 targets a season 1.54 per game. A lot of those players have one thing in common. Besides not being very good. They all played special teams. If you can’t crack the top 3 on the depth chart at receiver, you better be able to play specials. Slayton, has yet to show that he can. That is a good point. Why he needs to understand this pre-season is his prove it time.
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 19, 2021 6:02:29 GMT -5
Average for a number 4 Receiver 25 targets a season 1.54 per game. A lot of those players have one thing in common. Besides not being very good. They all played special teams. If you can’t crack the top 3 on the depth chart at receiver, you better be able to play specials. Slayton, has yet to show that he can. Slayton isn't the #4 WR though. He is the starting X WR. You know what a better stat is than the passes Eli threw to #4 WRs? How many passes has Jones thrown to Slayton. 84 and 96. Slayton will get plenty of chances this season. Shep is a slot WR (Y), he isn't taking the X WR spot. Toney is a do everything WR. I don't see him taking the X WR role this season.
His production will go down of course, but it's not going to plummet to 20 targets on the year lol.
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 19, 2021 6:03:34 GMT -5
Since Eli was drafted 2005 ( Eli's first full time season) Targets to a # 4 receiver per season. 2005 David Tyree 9 Targets 0.56 per game 2006 David Tyree 33 Targets 2.06 per game 2007 Sinorice Moss 37 Targets 2.31 per game 2008 Sinorice Moss 13 Targets 1.23 per game 2009 Domenik Hixon 28 Targets 1.75 per game 2010 Derek Hagan 43 Targets 2.68 per game 2011 Ramses Barden 19 Targets 1.18 per game 2012 Rueben Randle 19 Targets 1.18 per game 2013 Jerrel Jernigan 45 Targets 2.81 per game 2014 Corey Washington 8 Targets 0.5 per game 2015 Myles White 20 Targets 1.25 per game 2016 Roger Lewis 19 Targets 1.18 per game 2017 Entire Receiver group injured OBJ, Shepard, Marshall, King 2018 Russell Shepard 19 Targets 1.18 per game 2019 Cody Latimer 42 Targets 2.62 per game 2020 C.J. Board 16 Targets 1 per game Average for a number 4 Receiver 25 targets a season 1.54 per game. None of those guys were the starting WR. Slayton is. You're being flagged for mis-use of stats.
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Post by TEM on Jul 19, 2021 6:39:38 GMT -5
Since Eli was drafted 2005 ( Eli's first full time season) Targets to a # 4 receiver per season. 2005 David Tyree 9 Targets 0.56 per game 2006 David Tyree 33 Targets 2.06 per game 2007 Sinorice Moss 37 Targets 2.31 per game 2008 Sinorice Moss 13 Targets 1.23 per game 2009 Domenik Hixon 28 Targets 1.75 per game 2010 Derek Hagan 43 Targets 2.68 per game 2011 Ramses Barden 19 Targets 1.18 per game 2012 Rueben Randle 19 Targets 1.18 per game 2013 Jerrel Jernigan 45 Targets 2.81 per game 2014 Corey Washington 8 Targets 0.5 per game 2015 Myles White 20 Targets 1.25 per game 2016 Roger Lewis 19 Targets 1.18 per game 2017 Entire Receiver group injured OBJ, Shepard, Marshall, King 2018 Russell Shepard 19 Targets 1.18 per game 2019 Cody Latimer 42 Targets 2.62 per game 2020 C.J. Board 16 Targets 1 per game Average for a number 4 Receiver 25 targets a season 1.54 per game. None of those guys were the starting WR. Slayton is. You're being flagged for mis-use of stats. Sorry Mike that Giants are not sitting a 1st round pick, A WR with a 9 million dollar contract this year( beast hands and route runner) or a receiver they singed for 72 million. I will say it again . If the first round pick sits. That means they blew the pick and did not pick a week one impact player. Not a good move for a 6-10 team that desperately needs an immediate hit from there 1st round pick. They are not sitting the he runs the best route and and the best hands on the team There is no F*cking way they sit Golladay so Slayton can get snaps He is a #4 and it does not matter how much you stop your feet to claim he is not. This goes without saying also There will be a TE and RB on the field at all times. So Who is the odd man out? So the 5th rounder can get his snaps to "breakout" The first round pick? The best route runner? The 72 million dollar contract? Show me where I am wrong in what I am saying? By the way read post 46 . It is all laid out . He'll be a body in front of a DB on running downs. .
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Post by TEM on Jul 19, 2021 7:05:58 GMT -5
We're talking about Slayton being a potential breakout weapon this year. What are you talking about? I am talking about he was part of the problem last year. He did not catch 48% of the balls thrown at him. ( A 6-10 record) To me one the reasons we signed Golladay, Ross and Drafted Toney Where do you see him fitting in? Who are you sitting so he can "breakout"? Shep? Toney? Golladay? One or both TEs, Barkley? Do really think one of those guys should sit? So Darius gets his share of snaps? Lets talk about Shep He had a 73.3% reception In the top 10% in the league in reception percentage. Under contract for this year for 9 million. Do you sit him for Slayton? Lets talk about Golladay just singed a 72 million dollar contract. Do you sit him so Slayton can "breakout" Lets talk about Toney . If he sits Because Slayton is going to have breakout season. It must have been a bad pick .Correct!!!!!!!. That would indicate Toney is not the impact player that was needed . Giants apparently did not see what some of you are predicting with Slayton and F-ed that pick up. So JJ and DG and the scouting department did not see the potential in Slayton right? So who are you sitting? Because he isn't "breaking out" if he's not on the field. Is that not a stipulation for him to be able to do so? And There ain't no number 4 in the league that ever had more than a hand full of targets. Lets summaries this; Let's sit Golladay so Slayton can get targets . So what if the Giants are on the hook for 28 million in dead cap. But hay if Slayton is going to breakout this season . Why not. Lets sit Shepard. Runs the best route and has the best hands on the team. Who needs him on the field when we have 52% Darrius. I forgot he was 57% in his rookie year. Who cares that Shepard was 73% last year 69% the year before. Lets Sit Toney? Who needs a first round Impact player when you have a 5th round comp pick to fill that need. Hell lets sit Barkley and both TEs so Slayton can can get snaps. Lets sit one of those six guys so the 5th round comp pick can have his breakout season. Ya know. Just run 01,10 ,or just plain 00 formations constantly to keep Slayton on the field. How else will he get the snaps he needs? The thought of him being anything but a # 4 is utterly ridiculous taking into account the state this team has been in. Sitting any of those 6 for anything but a breather would be the dumbest thing JG or JJ could do to this team. 4 wide out sets are for 3rd and long. And if we are in too many of them. We are a single digit win team. He had his shot last year. The result is he regressed. As I said the expectations of this entire team need to be reset to a higher level. Here it is again. Show me where I am wrong!!!!! Golladay 4.5 million this year. Shepard 9 million this year. Toney 2.5 million this year You guys think that money should sit on the bench so 900 thousand Slayton can play? Reallly!!!!! Don't give that He is better than Blah Blah Blah He isn't better than Golladay or Shepard. If he ( a 5th round comp pick) is better than Toney. JJ and DG F*cked up the 1st round pick up by not getting a week one impact player. If Toney does sit emplace of Slayton. DG and JJ need to be fired for not utilizing the Giants first round pick on a 6-10 team. If the sit Shepard to play Toney in the slot so Slayton gets snaps . They F*ed up the pick . So a 9 million dollar slot receiver sits on the bench. If they sit Shepard or Toney . So Slayton can play the outside . Toney and Shepard can play on the outside. Again the F*ucked the the 1st round pick up. You have a 9 million dollar and proven route runner with good hands sitting on the bench., or a 1st round pick. If what you guys believe and Slayton is a # 2 or #3 . No matter how you slice it the Giants drop a turd in the first round. Because at the root . That is what you are claiming. "We did not need Toney".
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Post by GameTime on Jul 19, 2021 7:20:32 GMT -5
I am talking about he was part of the problem last year. He did not catch 48% of the balls thrown at him. ( A 6-10 record) To me one the reasons we signed Golladay, Ross and Drafted Toney Where do you see him fitting in? Who are you sitting so he can "breakout"? Shep? Toney? Golladay? One or both TEs, Barkley? Do really think one of those guys should sit? So Darius gets his share of snaps? Lets talk about Shep He had a 73.3% reception In the top 10% in the league in reception percentage. Under contract for this year for 9 million. Do you sit him for Slayton? Lets talk about Golladay just singed a 72 million dollar contract. Do you sit him so Slayton can "breakout" Lets talk about Toney . If he sits Because Slayton is going to have breakout season. It must have been a bad pick .Correct!!!!!!!. That would indicate Toney is not the impact player that was needed . Giants apparently did not see what some of you are predicting with Slayton and F-ed that pick up. So JJ and DG and the scouting department did not see the potential in Slayton right? So who are you sitting? Because he isn't "breaking out" if he's not on the field. Is that not a stipulation for him to be able to do so? And There ain't no number 4 in the league that ever had more than a hand full of targets. Lets summaries this; Let's sit Golladay so Slayton can get targets . So what if the Giants are on the hook for 28 million in dead cap. But hay if Slayton is going to breakout this season . Why not. Lets sit Shepard. Runs the best route and has the best hands on the team. Who needs him on the field when we have 52% Darrius. I forgot he was 57% in his rookie year. Who cares that Shepard was 73% last year 69% the year before. Lets Sit Toney? Who needs a first round Impact player when you have a 5th round comp pick to fill that need. Hell lets sit Barkley and both TEs so Slayton can can get snaps. Lets sit one of those six guys so the 5th round comp pick can have his breakout season. Ya know. Just run 01,10 ,or just plain 00 formations constantly to keep Slayton on the field. How else will he get the snaps he needs? The thought of him being anything but a # 4 is utterly ridiculous taking into account the state this team has been in. Sitting any of those 6 for anything but a breather would be the dumbest thing JG or JJ could do to this team. 4 wide out sets are for 3rd and long. And if we are in too many of them. We are a single digit win team. He had his shot last year. The result is he regressed. As I said the expectations of this entire team need to be reset to a higher level. Here it is again. Show me where I am wrong!!!!! Golladay 4.5 million this year. Shepard 9 million this year. Toney 2.5 million this year You guys think that money should sit on the bench so 900 thousand Slayton can play? Reallly!!!!! Don't give that He is better than Blah Blah Blah He isn't better than Golladay or Shepard. If he ( a 5th round comp pick) is better than Toney. JJ and DG F*cked up the 1st round pick up by not getting a week one impact player.. You are aren't wrong about the money each player gets. With that valuation the player should be "worth it" and get more opportunities to showcase their talents. However production will dictate who plays the most. A connection with Jones will dictate who plays the most. What coaches see on the field and in practice will dictate who plays the most. That is not always the highest paid players. Also availability will factor in as well. Thy all have to earn playing time in varying degrees.
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Post by TEM on Jul 19, 2021 7:38:47 GMT -5
Here it is again. Show me where I am wrong!!!!! Golladay 4.5 million this year. Shepard 9 million this year. Toney 2.5 million this year You guys think that money should sit on the bench so 900 thousand Slayton can play? Reallly!!!!! Don't give that He is better than Blah Blah Blah He isn't better than Golladay or Shepard. If he ( a 5th round comp pick) is better than Toney. JJ and DG F*cked up the 1st round pick up by not getting a week one impact player.. You are aren't wrong about the money each player gets. With that valuation the player should be "worth it" and get more opportunities to showcase their talents. However production will dictate who plays the most. A connection with Jones will dictate who plays the most. What coaches see on the field and in practice will dictate who plays the most. That is not always the highest paid players. Also availability will factor in as well. Thy all have to earn playing time in varying degrees. Shepard has already established it. Golladay is going to sit? Toney is going to sit? I am sorry GT. I do not see that happening. all that will do is confirm what the press has been saying about DG and JJ.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 19, 2021 8:25:45 GMT -5
You are aren't wrong about the money each player gets. With that valuation the player should be "worth it" and get more opportunities to showcase their talents. However production will dictate who plays the most. A connection with Jones will dictate who plays the most. What coaches see on the field and in practice will dictate who plays the most. That is not always the highest paid players. Also availability will factor in as well. Thy all have to earn playing time in varying degrees. Shepard has already established it. Golladay is going to sit? Toney is going to sit? I am sorry GT. I do not see that happening. all that will do is confirm what the press has been saying about DG and JJ. I didnt say anyone is going to sit at all. I merely stated what Judge has been saying all along. He doesn't care care how much a player is paid or where he was drafted. They will play if they earn it. I will take that with a grain of salt of course but if Slayton somehow just starts lighting it up he will get more time on the field than another player who isnt performing up to par. Slayton wont sit just because he is getting paid less. Its all about performance.
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Post by TEM on Jul 19, 2021 8:34:30 GMT -5
Shepard has already established it. Golladay is going to sit? Toney is going to sit? I am sorry GT. I do not see that happening. all that will do is confirm what the press has been saying about DG and JJ. I didnt say anyone is going to sit at all. I merely stated what Judge has been saying all along. He doesn't care care how much a player is paid or where he was drafted. They will play if they earn it. I will take that with a grain of salt of course but if Slayton somehow just starts lighting it up he will get more time on the field than another player who isnt performing up to par. Slayton wont sit just because he is getting paid less. Its all about performance. . Last year he had no choice. He hay to play the mediocre They brought guys in that are upgrades. Think about it why would Jones want to throw him the ball of there is a 50 chance it won't be caught. Even with EE drops .His catch % was higher than Slaton. He was at the bottom of the team in % and that is wit a bad reciever group.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 8:35:49 GMT -5
And has produced a hell of a lot more. Why do you think Randle didn't get many starts time and was out of football in 4 years? Because he was a poor route runner. As the data suggests Slayton is. IMO. Toney is going to wake Giant fans up to how average Slayton is. Oh, I can easily see this and I am certain it will happen...Toney is a star in the making...only touching at his true potential and already a far better receiver than Slayton. This kid was drafted as a dual QB in High School and within 3 years became what we have now...field talent alone, and disregarding the distractions...this kid has the highest ceiling of any receiver in the draft...that's frightening. But.... "music seems his passion, more so than football" Okay, don't want to hijack the Slayton thread with Toney ...but talent wise, Toney > Slayton...no comparison and not close for my evaluation.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 19, 2021 8:46:16 GMT -5
I didnt say anyone is going to sit at all. I merely stated what Judge has been saying all along. He doesn't care care how much a player is paid or where he was drafted. They will play if they earn it. I will take that with a grain of salt of course but if Slayton somehow just starts lighting it up he will get more time on the field than another player who isnt performing up to par. Slayton wont sit just because he is getting paid less. Its all about performance. . Last year he had no choice. He hay to play the mediocre They brought guys in that are upgrades. Think about it why would Jones want to throw him the ball of there is a 50 chance it won't be caught. Even with EE drops .His catch % was higher than Slaton. He was at the bottom of the team in % and that is wit a bad reciever group. I get all that....and not disputing any of it. All I am saying that if Slayton puts things together and lights it up he will be on the field a lot. His salary makes zero difference if he is getting the job done.
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