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Post by IrishMike on Jul 14, 2021 20:05:22 GMT -5
"Because Golladay takes over as WR1 and Barkley will draw such attention, it should open things up elsewhere."
So wait is this guy saying Slayton was our WR1 last year? Odd. Anyway. His deep threat ability should shine with people having to shift their attention away from him. Golladay should draw more attention than Golden Tate lol.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jul 15, 2021 8:58:07 GMT -5
Listen if Slayton or anyone Ross, Toney, Pettis whoever could catch fire for us this would be great. All these other receivers should benefit from goladay double teamed or a deep Tampa 2 zone defense.
Our receiving corp looks deep and full of potential. This offense should be like night and day from last year. We'll see.
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Post by ratbastich on Jul 15, 2021 9:15:18 GMT -5
Slayton already had an opportunity with a mediocre corps of receivers and if he didn't break out then, he isn't going to breakout with Golladay coming in to be the number 1. I would just be happy with serviceable and a compliment to Golladay and whoever the other(Shepard I'm assuming) is.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 15, 2021 9:49:41 GMT -5
Slayton already had an opportunity with a mediocre corps of receivers and if he didn't break out then, he isn't going to breakout with Golladay coming in to be the number 1. I would just be happy with serviceable and a compliment to Golladay and whoever the other(Shepard I'm assuming) is. If anything he was exposed for what his ceiling actually is A high end number 2 that would in a group of dynamic playmakers force defenses to have to defend the entire field ..especially with a legit talent opposite him. This is not a bad thing...65-70 catches for 1000 yards as a complimentary piece Being the de facto number 1 shows how bad this group was as a whole
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jul 16, 2021 10:35:26 GMT -5
This year with 17 games 1,000 yd receiver is like 55 yds per game. Like a 1,000 yd RB what the hell is that ? In 17 games ? A 4,000 yd passing QB less than 250 yds a game.
Our secondary receivers should be all over 1,000 yds. A little over, a little short. I would think most teams #1 and #2 receivers will be over a 1,000 yds. 1500-2000 yd receivers would be a dangerous receiver.
I would think it wouldn't be all that rare to see three 1,000 yd receivers. Dallas comes to mind immediately.
Beside Goladay possible 1,000 yd receivers this year for us imo. Barkley, Slayton, EE, Toney, and Shep. All 5 0f these guys should be around at least 800 yds receiving minimum.
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Post by piddy283 on Jul 16, 2021 11:22:32 GMT -5
There was a thread a while back asking who folks thought would have a breakout year. At the time I was the only one who though Slayton would breakout, and my reasons are on par with some this article brings up.
Slayton isn't a WR1 in my opinion. He's a solid WR2, and an even better WR3. There's nothing wrong with that.
With KG and the other weapons around him, defenses won't focus on Slayton which should allow him to utilize his speed to get open deep. I don't necessarily expect over the top stats, but I do think he'll contribute weekly and will have more than a handful of real big plays.
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Post by piddy283 on Jul 16, 2021 11:25:41 GMT -5
There was a thread a while back asking who folks thought would have a breakout year. At the time I was the only one who though Slayton would breakout, and my reasons are on par with some this article brings up. Slayton isn't a WR1 in my opinion. He's a solid WR2, and an even better WR3. There's nothing wrong with that. With KG and the other weapons around him, defenses won't focus on Slayton which should allow him to utilize his speed to get open deep. I don't necessarily expect over the top stats, but I do think he'll contribute weekly and will have more than a handful of real big plays. Here's that old thread. Looks like I ended up being the only dummy who voted for Slayton. thegiantsboard.proboards.com/thread/8663/who-breakout-season
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Post by Martin on Jul 16, 2021 11:40:59 GMT -5
I can see a break out for him. He will not be doubled very much especially if our rap star (Toney) becomes a weapon. We can only dream....
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 16, 2021 14:26:57 GMT -5
This year with 17 games 1,000 yd receiver is like 55 yds per game. Last year it was 58 yards per game. Not sure why you're suddenly down playing 1,000 yards.
18 guys had 1,000 yard seasons last year. 34 had enough yards per game though. So that is about 52%. Well 40 guys had 55 yards per game last year, so if the % stays the same that would be a grand total of 21 guys getting 1,000 yard seasons.
No the third receiving option on teams isn't likely to get 1,000 yards because of 1 extra game. If a team is lucky they will have 1 guy that gets 1,000 yards.
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 16, 2021 14:28:38 GMT -5
Slayton already had an opportunity with a mediocre corps of receivers and if he didn't break out then, he isn't going to breakout with Golladay coming in to be the number 1. I would just be happy with serviceable and a compliment to Golladay and whoever the other(Shepard I'm assuming) is. Of course he didn't break out. He isn't a true #1 WR and was going up against the other teams best CB. Now he will be going up against the 2nd or 3rd best CB.
He will of course get less opportunity with these other guys around, but the chances he does get should come against lesser competitors so perhaps he can make the most of it.
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Post by TEM on Jul 16, 2021 15:16:45 GMT -5
He will be lucky to be the #4.
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 16, 2021 17:20:24 GMT -5
He will be lucky to be the #4. Slayton is a number 2. And I don’t mean the spot on the depth chart.
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Post by Jomo on Jul 16, 2021 17:31:19 GMT -5
I can see a break out for him. He will not be doubled very much especially if our rap star (Toney) becomes a weapon. We can only dream.... It could also play out like this: More options to throw to Big target and really shifty additions plus Barkley out of the backfield. That could mean the same or less targets for Slayton but more big plays with much more space than he saw last year with so much attention directed elsewhere. For me that would be a "breakout year" even if the stat sheet didn't jump out at us.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 16, 2021 19:15:25 GMT -5
Listen if Slayton or anyone Ross, Toney, Pettis whoever could catch fire for us this would be great. All these other receivers should benefit from goladay double teamed or a deep Tampa 2 zone defense. Our receiving corp looks deep and full of potential. This offense should be like night and day from last year. We'll see. OL will decide that
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 16, 2021 21:05:17 GMT -5
I can see a break out for him. He will not be doubled very much especially if our rap star (Toney) becomes a weapon. We can only dream.... It could also play out like this: More options to throw to Big target and really shifty additions plus Barkley out of the backfield. That could mean the same or less targets for Slayton but more big plays with much more space than he saw last year with so much attention directed elsewhere. For me that would be a "breakout year" even if the stat sheet didn't jump out at us. Yeah when I think of a breakout year for him I don't think he will suddenly get 1500 yards. I think his yards could stay around the same (750) or take a dip. I think he could do it in less targets and score more TDs though. Putting up 700 yards with 7-8 TDs and 40ish receptions would be great.
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 16, 2021 21:06:18 GMT -5
Listen if Slayton or anyone Ross, Toney, Pettis whoever could catch fire for us this would be great. All these other receivers should benefit from goladay double teamed or a deep Tampa 2 zone defense. Our receiving corp looks deep and full of potential. This offense should be like night and day from last year. We'll see. OL will decide that OL, Jones, Garret. Lots of things at play here. This is exciting and either we will crash and burn right out of the gate or we will be an exciting team that can actually score.
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Post by TEM on Jul 17, 2021 7:21:27 GMT -5
He will be lucky to be the #4. Slayton is a number 2. And I don’t mean the spot on the depth chart. I think he is more Rueben Randle than Mario Manningham or Victor Cruz, (2-3) With Hakeem Nicks being #1 I would not place him in your metaphor category. (Sinorice Moss ) I think he is a Number 4 . He is not a big play performer. He proved that last year. He a below average route runner. The definition of a Number 4 or less. ( Ruben Randel).
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Post by piddy283 on Jul 17, 2021 7:25:06 GMT -5
It could also play out like this: More options to throw to Big target and really shifty additions plus Barkley out of the backfield. That could mean the same or less targets for Slayton but more big plays with much more space than he saw last year with so much attention directed elsewhere. For me that would be a "breakout year" even if the stat sheet didn't jump out at us. Yeah when I think of a breakout year for him I don't think he will suddenly get 1500 yards. I think his yards could stay around the same (750) or take a dip. I think he could do it in less targets and score more TDs though. Putting up 700 yards with 7-8 TDs and 40ish receptions would be great. Agreed. And of those 7-8ish TD's, I could see 4 or 5 of them being deep, potentially game changing 40+ yard type TD's. As you both say, I think his impact will be significant no matter the stats.
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Post by piddy283 on Jul 17, 2021 7:30:21 GMT -5
Slayton is a number 2. And I don’t mean the spot on the depth chart. I think he is more Rueben Randle than Mario Manningham or Victor Cruz, (2-3) With Hakeem Nicks being #1 I would not place him in your metaphor category. (Sinorice Moss ) I think he is a Number 4 . He is not a big play performer. He proved that last year. He a below average route runner. The definition of a Number 4 or less. ( Ruben Randel). He proved the opposite in his rookie season. He consistently made big plays.
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Post by piddy283 on Jul 17, 2021 7:34:51 GMT -5
OL, Jones, Garret. Lots of things at play here. This is exciting and either we will crash and burn right out of the gate or we will be an exciting team that can actually score. I'm trying to stay optimist about the OL. I'll continue to say cohesion and an actual off-season for these young players is huge, but I'd be lying if said I wasn't nervous. If they flop, we're in for a long season. Garret, on the other hand, scares the shit out of me . I'm hoping the lack of weapons at nearly every position was the reason for his underwhelming performance, but many Cowboys fans had the same complaints about him and the Cowboys were loaded. If Garret is as vanilla as he was last year, I could see Judge making some sort of a change mid-season.
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 17, 2021 8:33:40 GMT -5
Slayton is a number 2. And I don’t mean the spot on the depth chart. I think he is more Rueben Randle than Mario Manningham or Victor Cruz, (2-3) With Hakeem Nicks being #1 I would not place him in your metaphor category. (Sinorice Moss ) I think he is a Number 4 . He is not a big play performer. He proved that last year. He a below average route runner. The definition of a Number 4 or less. ( Ruben Randel). I don’t think that’s fair to put Slayton in the Reuben Randle category.
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Post by TEM on Jul 17, 2021 8:49:53 GMT -5
I think he is more Rueben Randle than Mario Manningham or Victor Cruz, (2-3) With Hakeem Nicks being #1 I would not place him in your metaphor category. (Sinorice Moss ) I think he is a Number 4 . He is not a big play performer. He proved that last year. He a below average route runner. The definition of a Number 4 or less. ( Ruben Randel). He proved the opposite in his rookie season. He consistently made big plays. He was not that good in his rookie year mediocre at best a 57% overall completion percentage. A 37% completion percentage on passes over 20 yards. and in year 2 52% catch percentage and over 20 yards of 35% Danial Jones had a completion percentage of 61.9 in 19 and a 62.5 in 20 Cruz in his first year 2011 was 62%. 60.1% his second year 2012. Eli had a completion percentage 61% in 2011 and 59.9 in 2012 When has mediocrity all of a sudden become "good" ?
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 17, 2021 8:57:01 GMT -5
Slayton is a number 2. And I don’t mean the spot on the depth chart. I think he is more Rueben Randle than Mario Manningham or Victor Cruz, (2-3) With Hakeem Nicks being #1 I would not place him in your metaphor category. (Sinorice Moss ) I think he is a Number 4 . He is not a big play performer. He proved that last year. He a below average route runner. The definition of a Number 4 or less. ( Ruben Randel). You have to ask yourself. Where does he fit in our offense? There is only one football, and you damn well know our new highly paid receiver is going to want to be a focal point of those passes. We drafted a receiver in the 1st round. Meaning, the Giants will do everything possible to have him involved in our offense. Then, you have Shepard. $10 million annual salary Shepard. Who when healthy, is a very good slot receiver. Let’s not forget Engram, fans might not like him. The Giants clearly do, and he too will be involved into the game plan. Where does that leave Slayton? The receiver who benefited from a terrible wide receiver position.
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Post by TEM on Jul 17, 2021 8:57:15 GMT -5
I think he is more Rueben Randle than Mario Manningham or Victor Cruz, (2-3) With Hakeem Nicks being #1 I would not place him in your metaphor category. (Sinorice Moss ) I think he is a Number 4 . He is not a big play performer. He proved that last year. He a below average route runner. The definition of a Number 4 or less. ( Ruben Randel). I don’t think that’s fair to put Slayton in the Reuben Randle category. Explain why you wouldn't. His numbers are comparable. Randle had overall better numbers . RandleSlaton
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Post by TEM on Jul 17, 2021 9:01:53 GMT -5
I think he is more Rueben Randle than Mario Manningham or Victor Cruz, (2-3) With Hakeem Nicks being #1 I would not place him in your metaphor category. (Sinorice Moss ) I think he is a Number 4 . He is not a big play performer. He proved that last year. He a below average route runner. The definition of a Number 4 or less. ( Ruben Randel). You have to ask yourself. Where does he fit in our offense? There is only one football, and you damn well know our new highly paid receiver is going to want to be a focal point of those passes. We drafted a receiver in the 1st round. Meaning, the Giants will do everything possible to have him involved in our offense. Then, you have Shepard. $10 million annual salary Shepard. Who when healthy, is a very good slot receiver. Let’s not forget Engram, fans might not like him. The Giants clearly do, and he too will be involved into the game plan. Where does that leave Slayton? The receiver who benefited from a terrible wide receiver position. There is no way Shep Golliday or Toney are not the top 3. If Ross show signs of life. Who knows what will happen to Slaton. He is going to be reduced to A) An after thought B) Clean up receiver . When we are either way up at the end of the game or getting blown out.
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 17, 2021 9:15:14 GMT -5
I don’t think that’s fair to put Slayton in the Reuben Randle category. Explain why you wouldn't. His numbers are comparable. Randle had overall better numbers . RandleSlatonRandle was a high second round pick who underachieved and Slayton is a fifth round pick who overachieved. Randle didn’t reach Slayton’s numbers until years 3 and 4 of his short career. Too early IMO to equate Slayton to Randle
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Post by TEM on Jul 17, 2021 10:46:07 GMT -5
Explain why you wouldn't. His numbers are comparable. Randle had overall better numbers . RandleSlatonRandle was a high second round pick who underachieved and Slayton is a fifth round pick who overachieved. Randle didn’t reach Slayton’s numbers until years 3 and 4 of his short career. Too early IMO to equate Slayton to Randle Year one Randle had a 59% reception Year 52.6% reception percentage . Eli's completion percentage was 61% and 59.9% 2 points behind Eli in year 1 and 7.3 points behind Eli in year 2. Slaton year one 57.1% reception . Year 2 52.1% Jones year 1. 61.9% . Year 2 62.5% 4 points behind Jones. Year 2 10.4 points behind Jones. So it not the QB causing his lack of production. The other recievers (all of them) have better catch % . The conclusion is not as good as some think he is . Medocracy IMO: is not over preforming. Victor Cruz is the example of over preformed .when over preformed is used. Cruz is the standard with Giant Wideouts
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Post by McCherry on Jul 17, 2021 10:57:41 GMT -5
I don’t think that’s fair to put Slayton in the Reuben Randle category. Explain why you wouldn't. His numbers are comparable. Randle had overall better numbers . RandleSlatonWhat numbers are you looking at? There's no comparison at all. And Randle had Eli throwing to him. Randle's first 2 years: 60 recepts, 909 yds, 9 TD's. Slayton first 2 years: 98 recepts, 1491 yds. 11 TD's.
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Post by TEM on Jul 17, 2021 11:03:16 GMT -5
Explain why you wouldn't. His numbers are comparable. Randle had overall better numbers . RandleSlatonWhat numbers are you looking at? There's no comparison at all. And Randle had Eli throwing to him. Randle's first 2 years: 60 recepts, 909 yds, 9 TD's. Slayton first 2 years: 98 recepts, 1491 yds. 11 TD's. It is a simple calculation. What was the QB completion percentage compared to the reception % of the reciever. Their first 2seasons are almost a mirror .
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 17, 2021 11:06:48 GMT -5
Explain why you wouldn't. His numbers are comparable. Randle had overall better numbers . RandleSlatonWhat numbers are you looking at? There's no comparison at all. And Randle had Eli throwing to him. Randle's first 2 years: 60 recepts, 909 yds, 9 TD's. Slayton first 2 years: 98 recepts, 1491 yds. 11 TD's. Randle started 4 games his first two years. Slayton, 24. That’s embarrassing how Slayton didn’t blow away Randles numbers. Eli at that time of his career was throwing grenades at his receivers. Jones, is the more accurate quarterback of the two.
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